The future of Texas is Hispanic — and Republican.
— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) November 10, 2022
Voters in the #RGV and across Texas sent a clear message Tuesday night.
They voted for border security, safer communities, our booming economy, and protecting the values that keep Texas #1. https://t.co/XEYWQjR8tX
well that's a relief.BearFan33 said:She is not going to date you.LateSteak69 said:i am too, solely because she is a heinous butt plug that needs to go "hang" out with her husband.Jack Bauer said:
AZ and NV can't count their votes and the MSM is FIXATED, INFATUATED with Lauren Bobert losing her seat.
No bias here.
Lauren Boebert Defeat Could Cost Republicans the House
she crossed into the lead last night.. dont know if it will holdVaeBear said:
According to Fox, Boebert is currently up 794 with 97.63% reporting.
Prior to the election, you made the case for a red wave.whiterock said:ATL Bear said:You couldn't be more wrong. The Kemp/Walker break is a classic showing of how independents will actually vote multi party, and can be wooed to candidates. It also shows that even semi-partisans will split tickets. Look at the ratio breaks in districts of Republican pick ups in the House. Run better candidates. Don't drag them down with political baggage like Trump.whiterock said:The results from last night directly refute that conclusion.JXL said:whiterock said:
EX: Exit polling is clear that Threat To Democracy and Abortion were huge issues with thoe who voted.
Are those key issues with voters at large? Was all the polling about inflation and economy wrong?
no.
Remember what I said many times: a pollster has to poll the people who actually vote.
A majority of voters think inflation and the economy ARE the big issues.
but those voters didn't show up and vote.
A smaller number of voters think abortion and threats to democracy are the big issues.
but those voters are who showed up and voted.
Every election is a base election.
If you do not turn out your own base, the independents don't matter a damned bit.
You can't win elections with just your base. Nominating Trump might fire up his base of support, but he would be unlikely to pull enough support from outside of his base to win.
SOME elections are choice elections, where wooing independents is the key.
SOME elections are base elections, where there isn't much middle ground and victory lies in turning out your base.
As long as we remain an evenly divided electorate, building a strategy of chasing 3% of the voting public least likely to vote is the road to oblivion. If you cannot fire up your own base to come boiling out to vote, you are not going to inspire independents to come boiling out to vote either.
Democrats campaigned solely within their base. They spoke primarily to the J6 faithful and the abortion on demand faithful....and they got a bigger turnout of their base than Republicans did.
Moderate Republicans are fickle, too. Oso and Sam will throw their vote away 3rd party on principle then blame others when it lets Dems win. But if we attend to their concerns, we lose more votes in our own base than we gain in the middle. That's a dynamic proven over and over again. Oz is an example - the kind of moderate that's supposed to win purple states. Only he didn't. You win purple states like Perry and DeSantis did - by defeating liberal ideas and turning the date RED.
And before we cite "Trump baggage" as responsible for last night, it must be noted that the single best outcome of the night came from a candidate plucked from obscurity by a Trump endorsement, a candidate who by any measure was the most Trump-esque of them all. He's not the "anti-Trump" that your argument implicitly presumes. He's Trump 2.0, an apparently more formidable variant of the original strain.
And while we're on GA, they have almost as bad a "arrogant moderate" dynamic as AZ. It's not like Perdue or Loeffler were great big throbbing MAGA-maniacs. Quite a bit of spin going on to blame deficiencies in the GA GOP on Trump. I spent a number of hours around a campfire with a GA businessman donor in aftermath off the 2020 GA Senate debacle. Wonderful thoughtful fellow who like many of the type think the secret to success is stifling the GOP base. That is not what DeDantis did. Quite the opposite - poking Disney in the eye, reliving woke prosecutors of their duties, etc…..
The argument for Desantis is that he's simply better at Trumpism than Trump.
It's a hard argument to refute.
yup. A big FU to Trump. Haul ass Trumpy Dumpty!Osodecentx said:Prior to the election, you made the case for a red wave.whiterock said:ATL Bear said:You couldn't be more wrong. The Kemp/Walker break is a classic showing of how independents will actually vote multi party, and can be wooed to candidates. It also shows that even semi-partisans will split tickets. Look at the ratio breaks in districts of Republican pick ups in the House. Run better candidates. Don't drag them down with political baggage like Trump.whiterock said:The results from last night directly refute that conclusion.JXL said:whiterock said:
EX: Exit polling is clear that Threat To Democracy and Abortion were huge issues with thoe who voted.
Are those key issues with voters at large? Was all the polling about inflation and economy wrong?
no.
Remember what I said many times: a pollster has to poll the people who actually vote.
A majority of voters think inflation and the economy ARE the big issues.
but those voters didn't show up and vote.
A smaller number of voters think abortion and threats to democracy are the big issues.
but those voters are who showed up and voted.
Every election is a base election.
If you do not turn out your own base, the independents don't matter a damned bit.
You can't win elections with just your base. Nominating Trump might fire up his base of support, but he would be unlikely to pull enough support from outside of his base to win.
SOME elections are choice elections, where wooing independents is the key.
SOME elections are base elections, where there isn't much middle ground and victory lies in turning out your base.
As long as we remain an evenly divided electorate, building a strategy of chasing 3% of the voting public least likely to vote is the road to oblivion. If you cannot fire up your own base to come boiling out to vote, you are not going to inspire independents to come boiling out to vote either.
Democrats campaigned solely within their base. They spoke primarily to the J6 faithful and the abortion on demand faithful....and they got a bigger turnout of their base than Republicans did.
Moderate Republicans are fickle, too. Oso and Sam will throw their vote away 3rd party on principle then blame others when it lets Dems win. But if we attend to their concerns, we lose more votes in our own base than we gain in the middle. That's a dynamic proven over and over again. Oz is an example - the kind of moderate that's supposed to win purple states. Only he didn't. You win purple states like Perry and DeSantis did - by defeating liberal ideas and turning the date RED.
And before we cite "Trump baggage" as responsible for last night, it must be noted that the single best outcome of the night came from a candidate plucked from obscurity by a Trump endorsement, a candidate who by any measure was the most Trump-esque of them all. He's not the "anti-Trump" that your argument implicitly presumes. He's Trump 2.0, an apparently more formidable variant of the original strain.
And while we're on GA, they have almost as bad a "arrogant moderate" dynamic as AZ. It's not like Perdue or Loeffler were great big throbbing MAGA-maniacs. Quite a bit of spin going on to blame deficiencies in the GA GOP on Trump. I spent a number of hours around a campfire with a GA businessman donor in aftermath off the 2020 GA Senate debacle. Wonderful thoughtful fellow who like many of the type think the secret to success is stifling the GOP base. That is not what DeDantis did. Quite the opposite - poking Disney in the eye, reliving woke prosecutors of their duties, etc…..
The argument for Desantis is that he's simply better at Trumpism than Trump.
It's a hard argument to refute.
Here are some of your points:
Highest inflation in 40 years
Worst border crisis in history
Most unpopular president since Truman (Biden approval around 40%)
75% of voters say country is going in the wrong direction
Worst crime wave since the 90s
Yet voters looked at the Trump recruited candidates and said "no". Why?
This shows a horrendous lack of humanity. For a child born alive, even if an abortion was the intent,He Hate Me said:Jack Bauer said:
Feminism power! Yay!!Welcome to America. pic.twitter.com/f45030NYJG
— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) November 10, 2022
America is a nation under God's judgment. The sooner we realize that and repent from our sins, then the sooner we can partake of his grace again.
And exits showed 65-70% unfavorable on Trump. Repubs actually turned out more than Dems. Independents killed us, breaking strongly for Dem incumbents which us highly unusual.Osodecentx said:Prior to the election, you made the case for a red wave.whiterock said:ATL Bear said:You couldn't be more wrong. The Kemp/Walker break is a classic showing of how independents will actually vote multi party, and can be wooed to candidates. It also shows that even semi-partisans will split tickets. Look at the ratio breaks in districts of Republican pick ups in the House. Run better candidates. Don't drag them down with political baggage like Trump.whiterock said:The results from last night directly refute that conclusion.JXL said:whiterock said:
EX: Exit polling is clear that Threat To Democracy and Abortion were huge issues with thoe who voted.
Are those key issues with voters at large? Was all the polling about inflation and economy wrong?
no.
Remember what I said many times: a pollster has to poll the people who actually vote.
A majority of voters think inflation and the economy ARE the big issues.
but those voters didn't show up and vote.
A smaller number of voters think abortion and threats to democracy are the big issues.
but those voters are who showed up and voted.
Every election is a base election.
If you do not turn out your own base, the independents don't matter a damned bit.
You can't win elections with just your base. Nominating Trump might fire up his base of support, but he would be unlikely to pull enough support from outside of his base to win.
SOME elections are choice elections, where wooing independents is the key.
SOME elections are base elections, where there isn't much middle ground and victory lies in turning out your base.
As long as we remain an evenly divided electorate, building a strategy of chasing 3% of the voting public least likely to vote is the road to oblivion. If you cannot fire up your own base to come boiling out to vote, you are not going to inspire independents to come boiling out to vote either.
Democrats campaigned solely within their base. They spoke primarily to the J6 faithful and the abortion on demand faithful....and they got a bigger turnout of their base than Republicans did.
Moderate Republicans are fickle, too. Oso and Sam will throw their vote away 3rd party on principle then blame others when it lets Dems win. But if we attend to their concerns, we lose more votes in our own base than we gain in the middle. That's a dynamic proven over and over again. Oz is an example - the kind of moderate that's supposed to win purple states. Only he didn't. You win purple states like Perry and DeSantis did - by defeating liberal ideas and turning the date RED.
And before we cite "Trump baggage" as responsible for last night, it must be noted that the single best outcome of the night came from a candidate plucked from obscurity by a Trump endorsement, a candidate who by any measure was the most Trump-esque of them all. He's not the "anti-Trump" that your argument implicitly presumes. He's Trump 2.0, an apparently more formidable variant of the original strain.
And while we're on GA, they have almost as bad a "arrogant moderate" dynamic as AZ. It's not like Perdue or Loeffler were great big throbbing MAGA-maniacs. Quite a bit of spin going on to blame deficiencies in the GA GOP on Trump. I spent a number of hours around a campfire with a GA businessman donor in aftermath off the 2020 GA Senate debacle. Wonderful thoughtful fellow who like many of the type think the secret to success is stifling the GOP base. That is not what DeDantis did. Quite the opposite - poking Disney in the eye, reliving woke prosecutors of their duties, etc…..
The argument for Desantis is that he's simply better at Trumpism than Trump.
It's a hard argument to refute.
Here are some of your points:
Highest inflation in 40 years
Worst border crisis in history
Most unpopular president since Truman (Biden approval around 40%)
75% of voters say country is going in the wrong direction
Worst crime wave since the 90s
Yet voters looked at the Trump recruited candidates and said "no". Why?
I told him in 2016, when I voted against him in the primaries.57Bear said:Have you told him yet?Forest Bueller_bf said:Quote:
Trump burns with hatred for DeSantis
Trump despises DeSantis and had spent the last weekend doing what no Republican leader should ever do, disparage one of the party's most important candidates three days before an election.
Trump went further than that. He threatened DeSantis. He told the Wall Street Journal that if DeSantis challenges him for the 2024 GOP nomination for president he will divulge disturbing secrets about him.
"If he did run, I will tell you things about him that won't be very flattering. I know more about him than anybody other than perhaps his wife, who is really running his campaign."
While Trump runs his mouth and extortion ring, he has bigger problems. The Trump brand fell on its face on Tuesday. More than any Republican leader, Trump had salted this election with a lineup of MAGA candidates who proved too radical for general-election voters.
One thing Trump can't do for sure in disparage DeSantis wifes looks, like he likes to do to women he doesn't deem acceptable. She is extremely pretty.
And Trumps selected candidates mainly were failures. Time for him to go.
Bill Gates, Chairman of Maricopa County's Board of Supervisors, just said that there are 400,000 ballots left to be counted in Maricopa alone and they won't be tabulated until "early next week” not including some “onesies, twosies” here and there. Unacceptable. pic.twitter.com/pP5RqmHkOs
— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) November 10, 2022
From Michigan...Proposal 3 allows the state to regulate abortion after fetal viability, which is defined in the measure as a point in the pregnancy where there is a "significant likelihood of the fetus's sustained survival outside of the uterus without the application of extraordinary medical measures".[url=https://ballotpedia.org/Michigan_Proposal_3,_Right_to_Reproductive_Freedom_Initiative_(2022)#cite_note-ppvscasey-8][8][/url] Previously, in 1973, Roe v Wade determined that a fetus is viable at 28 weeks.[url=https://ballotpedia.org/Michigan_Proposal_3,_Right_to_Reproductive_Freedom_Initiative_(2022)#cite_note-roevwade-9][9][/url][url=https://ballotpedia.org/Michigan_Proposal_3,_Right_to_Reproductive_Freedom_Initiative_(2022)#cite_note-code333-10][10][/url]Forest Bueller_bf said:This shows a horrendous lack of humanity. For a child born alive, even if an abortion was the intent,He Hate Me said:Jack Bauer said:
Feminism power! Yay!!Welcome to America. pic.twitter.com/f45030NYJG
— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) November 10, 2022
America is a nation under God's judgment. The sooner we realize that and repent from our sins, then the sooner we can partake of his grace again.
the medical personal should do everything in their power to sustain her life. They are a living being.
Translation: Maricopa is continuing to selectively release Democrat-heavy batches, and withhold Republican ballots favoring @KariLake, @bgmasters, @AbrahamHamadeh, @RealMarkFinchem — but our projections still show us moving up and up as Election Day ballots are released. https://t.co/kkCsiN7qkP
— Harmeet K. Dhillon (@pnjaban) November 10, 2022
there were like 37 house and 4 senate yeasterday.. a few heve setteled today but still quite a few not calledCanada2017 said:
How is it so many congressional races are still 'undecided' ?
Osodecentx said:
Latest Trump post
Now that midterms are over, and a success…
NewsCorp, which is Fox, the Wall Street Journal, and the no longer great New York Post (bring back Col!), is all in for Governor Ron DeSanctimonious, an average REPUBLICAN Governor with great Public Relations, who didn't have to close up his State, but did, unlike other Republican Governors, whose overall numbers for a Republican, were just averagemiddle of the packincluding COVID, and who has the advantage of SUNSHINE, where people…
Trumps a member of Sicem 365?Osodecentx said:
Latest Trump post
Now that midterms are over, and a success…
NewsCorp, which is Fox, the Wall Street Journal, and the no longer great New York Post (bring back Col!), is all in for Governor Ron DeSanctimonious, an average REPUBLICAN Governor with great Public Relations, who didn't have to close up his State, but did, unlike other Republican Governors, whose overall numbers for a Republican, were just averagemiddle of the packincluding COVID, and who has the advantage of SUNSHINE, where people…
Formerly posted as OLDBEAR4th and Inches said:Trumps a member of Sicem 365?Osodecentx said:
Latest Trump post
Now that midterms are over, and a success…
NewsCorp, which is Fox, the Wall Street Journal, and the no longer great New York Post (bring back Col!), is all in for Governor Ron DeSanctimonious, an average REPUBLICAN Governor with great Public Relations, who didn't have to close up his State, but did, unlike other Republican Governors, whose overall numbers for a Republican, were just averagemiddle of the packincluding COVID, and who has the advantage of SUNSHINE, where people…
&ct=gOsodecentx said:Formerly posted as OLDBEAR4th and Inches said:Trumps a member of Sicem 365?Osodecentx said:
Latest Trump post
Now that midterms are over, and a success…
NewsCorp, which is Fox, the Wall Street Journal, and the no longer great New York Post (bring back Col!), is all in for Governor Ron DeSanctimonious, an average REPUBLICAN Governor with great Public Relations, who didn't have to close up his State, but did, unlike other Republican Governors, whose overall numbers for a Republican, were just averagemiddle of the packincluding COVID, and who has the advantage of SUNSHINE, where people…
Best way they can do that is to stay out of the race. The more candidates that enter, the harder it will be to defeat Trump. All it will do is divide up the non-Trump vote as the primaries turn winner-take-all. His core base will stand strong.Adriacus Peratuun said:
Every stupid self-serving Trump tweet simply pushes a few more people over to Desantis.
Sununu and Haley can [if they are smart team players] kill a Trump candidacy early. Let him lose 7-8 of the first 10 primaries and he is done.
Jack Bauer said:
And the left will accuse Kari Lake of denying election results that aren't anywhere near being completed.Translation: Maricopa is continuing to selectively release Democrat-heavy batches, and withhold Republican ballots favoring @KariLake, @bgmasters, @AbrahamHamadeh, @RealMarkFinchem — but our projections still show us moving up and up as Election Day ballots are released. https://t.co/kkCsiN7qkP
— Harmeet K. Dhillon (@pnjaban) November 10, 2022
McCains GOPBooray said:Jack Bauer said:
And the left will accuse Kari Lake of denying election results that aren't anywhere near being completed.Translation: Maricopa is continuing to selectively release Democrat-heavy batches, and withhold Republican ballots favoring @KariLake, @bgmasters, @AbrahamHamadeh, @RealMarkFinchem — but our projections still show us moving up and up as Election Day ballots are released. https://t.co/kkCsiN7qkP
— Harmeet K. Dhillon (@pnjaban) November 10, 2022
Remind me which party controls Maricopa county?
4th and Inches said:McCains GOPBooray said:Jack Bauer said:
And the left will accuse Kari Lake of denying election results that aren't anywhere near being completed.Translation: Maricopa is continuing to selectively release Democrat-heavy batches, and withhold Republican ballots favoring @KariLake, @bgmasters, @AbrahamHamadeh, @RealMarkFinchem — but our projections still show us moving up and up as Election Day ballots are released. https://t.co/kkCsiN7qkP
— Harmeet K. Dhillon (@pnjaban) November 10, 2022
Remind me which party controls Maricopa county?
expecting more than wednesday but it is all still Early votes from what I am hearing.WacoKelly83 said:
AZ vote dump coming tonight after 9 central time. They didn't say how soon after 9, lol. But don't expect too much more than the 65k they counted Wednesday.
We are seeing the last few big, pro-Dem drops. Soon they’ll run out, & then there are hundreds of thousands of pro-R ballots to count. We will overtake them and win. 🇺🇸
— Blake Masters (@bgmasters) November 11, 2022
🚨🚨 The 17k “Box 3” votes were NOT included in tonight’s Maricopa drop.
— Brady Smith (@ImBradySmith) November 11, 2022
Box 3 expected to STRONGLY favor @KariLake https://t.co/XR7V4OT2pX