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In reply to Doc Holliday • 10:31a, 9/16/25
Doc Holliday said:

When any negative government report or unfavorable statistics come out these days, it is automatically "fake news" or a conspiracy to take down the Trump Administration. Unfortunately, we gotta put up with this nonsense for three more years. It is becoming exhausting.
Call it a tax, the people are outraged! Call it a tariff, the people get out their checkbooks and wave their American flags!!!
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In reply to boognish_bear • 12:06p, 9/16/25
boognish_bear said:


Slimeball

Time to boycott Sherwin Williams if you can help it
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"Corporate share buybacks were made legal in the United States in 1982.The SEC adopted Rule 10b-18, which provided a safe harbor for companies.This rule allowed companies to repurchase their own shares without facing legal repercussions.Prior to 1982, buybacks were often viewed as market manipulation." (which is exactly what they are).

Fixing capitalism will involve eliminating this so the free market can accurately price a share of corporate stock. It will involve eliminating restrictions on short selling so market participants who see a downside to a particular company's strategic vision can accurately profit from it. It will involve eliminating the use of stock and stock options as a form of compensation.
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In reply to Realitybites • 7:31a, 9/17/25
Realitybites said:
"Corporate share buybacks were made legal in the United States in 1982.The SEC adopted Rule 10b-18, which provided a safe harbor for companies.This rule allowed companies to repurchase their own shares without facing legal repercussions.Prior to 1982, buybacks were often viewed as market manipulation." (which is exactly what they are).

Fixing capitalism will involve eliminating this so the free market can accurately price a share of corporate stock. It will involve eliminating restrictions on short selling so market participants who see a downside to a particular company's strategic vision can accurately profit from it. It will involve eliminating the use of stock and stock options as a form of compensation.

One of the biggest issues is Executive compensation. It has gotten ridiculous.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 8:01a, 9/17/25
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One of the biggest issues is Executive compensation. It has gotten ridiculous.


In general, these people already pay a flat income tax by structuring their compensation as benefits and stock options. Eliminate that and force everyone to take their entire income as either W2 or 1099 pay. That's a start. There probably need to be some restrictions placed on corporate boards as well to ensure they are looking out for the company's owners (shareholders).
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 9:15a, 9/17/25
FLBear5630 said:
Realitybites said:
"Corporate share buybacks were made legal in the United States in 1982.The SEC adopted Rule 10b-18, which provided a safe harbor for companies.This rule allowed companies to repurchase their own shares without facing legal repercussions.Prior to 1982, buybacks were often viewed as market manipulation." (which is exactly what they are).

Fixing capitalism will involve eliminating this so the free market can accurately price a share of corporate stock. It will involve eliminating restrictions on short selling so market participants who see a downside to a particular company's strategic vision can accurately profit from it. It will involve eliminating the use of stock and stock options as a form of compensation.

One of the biggest issues is Executive compensation. It has gotten ridiculous.


OK, so who gets to decide how much money someone should be "allowed" to be paid? And who decides what happens to the revenue a business pulls in?

Should Taylor Swift have a cap on how much money she gets? What about JK Rowling? What about professional athletes or bands?

Where does all this become government using powers never granted by the Constitution?
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 9:32a, 9/17/25
Oldbear83 said:
FLBear5630 said:
Realitybites said:
"Corporate share buybacks were made legal in the United States in 1982.The SEC adopted Rule 10b-18, which provided a safe harbor for companies.This rule allowed companies to repurchase their own shares without facing legal repercussions.Prior to 1982, buybacks were often viewed as market manipulation." (which is exactly what they are).

Fixing capitalism will involve eliminating this so the free market can accurately price a share of corporate stock. It will involve eliminating restrictions on short selling so market participants who see a downside to a particular company's strategic vision can accurately profit from it. It will involve eliminating the use of stock and stock options as a form of compensation.

One of the biggest issues is Executive compensation. It has gotten ridiculous.


OK, so who gets to decide how much money someone should be "allowed" to be paid? And who decides what happens to the revenue a business pulls in?

Should Taylor Swift have a cap on how much money she gets? What about JK Rowling? What about professional athletes or bands?

Where does all this become government using powers never granted by the Constitution?


Why do we have antitrust laws?
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 11:09a, 9/17/25
Oldbear83 said:
FLBear5630 said:
Realitybites said:
"Corporate share buybacks were made legal in the United States in 1982.The SEC adopted Rule 10b-18, which provided a safe harbor for companies.This rule allowed companies to repurchase their own shares without facing legal repercussions.Prior to 1982, buybacks were often viewed as market manipulation." (which is exactly what they are).

Fixing capitalism will involve eliminating this so the free market can accurately price a share of corporate stock. It will involve eliminating restrictions on short selling so market participants who see a downside to a particular company's strategic vision can accurately profit from it. It will involve eliminating the use of stock and stock options as a form of compensation.

One of the biggest issues is Executive compensation. It has gotten ridiculous.


OK, so who gets to decide how much money someone should be "allowed" to be paid? And who decides what happens to the revenue a business pulls in?

Should Taylor Swift have a cap on how much money she gets? What about JK Rowling? What about professional athletes or bands?

Where does all this become government using powers never granted by the Constitution?

How about publicly traded? How about not allowing bonuses for executives when laying off people or reducing their benefits? Sherwin Williams did away with the 401K match due to weak sales, but the CEO got a 3M raise over that timeframe.

Sorry, I used to think like you. But watched too few get rewarded while they gutted their company's all in the name of lowering overhead. Profits should raise all ships - At least that is what CEO types say when you want something. But, losses don't seem to lower all ships do they?
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In reply to boognish_bear • 12:53p, 9/17/25
boognish_bear said:
Oldbear83 said:
FLBear5630 said:
Realitybites said:
"Corporate share buybacks were made legal in the United States in 1982.The SEC adopted Rule 10b-18, which provided a safe harbor for companies.This rule allowed companies to repurchase their own shares without facing legal repercussions.Prior to 1982, buybacks were often viewed as market manipulation." (which is exactly what they are).

Fixing capitalism will involve eliminating this so the free market can accurately price a share of corporate stock. It will involve eliminating restrictions on short selling so market participants who see a downside to a particular company's strategic vision can accurately profit from it. It will involve eliminating the use of stock and stock options as a form of compensation.

One of the biggest issues is Executive compensation. It has gotten ridiculous.


OK, so who gets to decide how much money someone should be "allowed" to be paid? And who decides what happens to the revenue a business pulls in?

Should Taylor Swift have a cap on how much money she gets? What about JK Rowling? What about professional athletes or bands?

Where does all this become government using powers never granted by the Constitution?


Why do we have antitrust laws?


You think rich CEO at a company somehow prevents another CEO from getting rich?
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12:56p, 9/17/25
All the big corporate boards have to do is keep people barely happy enough. If enough of the 99% got real upset that their wages have stagnate while CEOs post new records every quarter, they will vote to restrict the CEO's earnings. And that would be exactly within the framework of the Constitution.

Seems like a better solution is the big corporations doing the right thing, and preventing us from getting to that point.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 12:56p, 9/17/25
FLBear5630 said:
Oldbear83 said:
FLBear5630 said:
Realitybites said:
"Corporate share buybacks were made legal in the United States in 1982.The SEC adopted Rule 10b-18, which provided a safe harbor for companies.This rule allowed companies to repurchase their own shares without facing legal repercussions.Prior to 1982, buybacks were often viewed as market manipulation." (which is exactly what they are).

Fixing capitalism will involve eliminating this so the free market can accurately price a share of corporate stock. It will involve eliminating restrictions on short selling so market participants who see a downside to a particular company's strategic vision can accurately profit from it. It will involve eliminating the use of stock and stock options as a form of compensation.

One of the biggest issues is Executive compensation. It has gotten ridiculous.


OK, so who gets to decide how much money someone should be "allowed" to be paid? And who decides what happens to the revenue a business pulls in?

Should Taylor Swift have a cap on how much money she gets? What about JK Rowling? What about professional athletes or bands?

Where does all this become government using powers never granted by the Constitution?

How about publicly traded? How about not allowing bonuses for executives when laying off people or reducing their benefits? Sherwin Williams did away with the 401K match due to weak sales, but the CEO got a 3M raise over that timeframe.

Sorry, I used to think like you. But watched too few get rewarded while they gutted their company's all in the name of lowering overhead. Profits should raise all ships - At least that is what CEO types say when you want something. But, losses don't seem to lower all ships do they?


I'm not a fan of stinking rich executives, but I distrust even more the idea that government should say how much we are allowed to make, especially since you don't have to be psychic to know salary caps would eventually be used on the middle class.

You need to think this through before letting someone play your anger into their schemes.
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In reply to boognish_bear • 5:10a, 9/18/25
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Do any of these metrics even count? Or will they be thrown in the "fake news" bin?
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 5:17a, 9/18/25
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boognish_bear said:



Do any of these metrics even count? Or will they be thrown in the "fake news" bin?


Quibble, those are indicators, not metrics.

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In reply to Oldbear83 • 6:43a, 9/18/25
Oldbear83 said:
FLBear5630 said:
boognish_bear said:



Do any of these metrics even count? Or will they be thrown in the "fake news" bin?


Quibble, those are indicators, not metrics.


Noted. Thanks.
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In reply to boognish_bear • 5:59p, 9/20/25
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Holy *****!!! We are in trouble. You cannot fix a problem if you are unwilling to acknowledge we have a problem.
Call it a tax, the people are outraged! Call it a tariff, the people get out their checkbooks and wave their American flags!!!
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In reply to boognish_bear • 7:21p, 9/20/25
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Hopefully, it is not made by foreign workers...



Only people with the right Visa's can make Hamburger Helper...


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In reply to boognish_bear • 4:18a, 9/23/25
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But trillions of dollars are puring in. They have spending power of $1.38 but billions and billions. We have become Greece 2001...
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9:17a, 9/26/25
I thought we were going to have a recession and maybe we will but 2Q's 3rd estimate of GDP came in at 3.8%.

https://www.bea.gov/news/2025/gross-domestic-product-2nd-quarter-2025-third-estimate-gdp-industry-corporate-profits


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Real gross domestic product (GDP) increased at an annual rate of 3.8 percent in the second quarter of 2025 (April, May, and June), according to the third estimate released by the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the first quarter, real GDP decreased 0.6 percent (revised).


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In reply to boognish_bear • 9:23a, 9/26/25
boognish_bear said:

Stop worrying about the dollar. We have $Trumpcoin, $Fartcoin, and $Bitcoin!!!
Call it a tax, the people are outraged! Call it a tariff, the people get out their checkbooks and wave their American flags!!!
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In reply to RD2WINAGNBEAR86 • 9:26a, 9/26/25
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boognish_bear said:

Stop worrying about the dollar. We have $Trumpcoin, $Fartcoin, and $Bitcoin!!!

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10:57p, 9/29/25
This doesn't seem sustainable for a healthy economy

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In reply to boognish_bear • 1:06a, 9/30/25
boognish_bear said:


Didn't realize the GDP was 3.3%.

Got to give our Secretary of the Treasury a lot of credit.
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In reply to KaiBear • 7:26a, 9/30/25
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boognish_bear said:


Didn't realize the GDP was 3.3%.

Got to give our Secretary of the Treasury a lot of credit.

So, far it is working overall. Some areas are getting hit, such as farmers. But, that is not out of the ordinary as some sectors always will take a hit.

Believe me, I am rooting for Bessent. My 401k needs him to be right. The article I posted helped me out with what he is doing. Keep it going.
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