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inflation won't stop until the deficits stop.
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27k health insurance for a family !!
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27k health insurance for a family !!
in 2025, families need catastrophic health insurance to cover significant events and should be just paying cash for regular doctor visits.

The days of five and $10 co-pays for doctor visits are long gone.

The amount of money spent by doctors for writing chart notes/transcription and claims billing is a savings that could be passed on if patients paid at time of service.

What is necessary to describe the problem in a patient's chart and what is necessary to get paid are two completely different amounts of paperwork
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As these chat bots continue to improve doctors visits may go down.
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it has long been true that the vast majority of household wealth is the equity in the home.

That's why the property tax is so onerous. It hits hardest those who are having to work hardest to build wealth.
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The "good" news on this chart is that tax revenue is obviously increasing this year.
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It is Electric Vehicles all over. Musk made a fortune off Biden's Green New Deal. Time to pivot to what Trump wants. But, we don't want companies working for the Government.
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management cuts. ooooh. FLBear will be excited to hear this.
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And yet the stock market continues to climb to historic levels

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If anyone wants a new F150 this is a good time to buy apparently

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whiterock said:

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management cuts. ooooh. FLBear will be excited to hear this.


as long as you ceo types get your bonuses, gut the place.
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RAY DALIO: U.S. ECONOMY IS 2 SEPARATE COUNTRIES NOW, AND ONE IS SCREWED

Billionaire investor Ray Dalio says you can't look at the U.S. economy "as a whole" anymore because the gap between winners and losers is too extreme.

About 3 million people (1% of the population) in AI and tech are thriving, while the bottom 60% are struggling hard.

Dalio:

"If you're looking at, let's say, the AI world, and really what amounts to about three million people - 1% of the population - leading, and then the 5 or 10% around them, you have one world that the whole world is dependent on.

And then you have the bottom 60% of the population.

Consider this, 60% of the American population has below sixth-grade reading level.

That's tough, and with that [they're becoming] unproductive, and because of those things you have a dependency, an extreme dependency."

The numbers back him up. 22 states are in recession while only 16 are growing. California and New York carry the entire economy on their backs.

Wealth inequality has exploded since 2020.

The top 0.1% nearly doubled their wealth from $12 trillion to $22 trillion. The bottom 50% gained just $2 trillion combined.

The economy now runs on spending from the rich. If they stop, everyone else is toast.

Source: Fortune
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FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

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management cuts. ooooh. FLBear will be excited to hear this.


as long as you ceo types get your bonuses, gut the place.

news flash: I'm not a CEO, at least not in the private sector.
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whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

boognish_bear said:



management cuts. ooooh. FLBear will be excited to hear this.


as long as you ceo types get your bonuses, gut the place.

news flash: I'm not a CEO, at least not in the private sector.

Well, you should do good in the current environment. You fell right in line.
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I am not smart enough about economics to know how much truth/accuracy might be in this…but it sounds pretty apocalyptic

The system is eating itself.

When Amazon, UPS, Intel, and others start cutting this deep simultaneously, it means something more fundamental than "tight margins." It means the productive layer of the economy is collapsing under the weight of its own optimization logic.

Every layoff now is both an act of short-term rationality and long-term suicide. The firms know it. The executives know it. The markets know it. But they can't stop.

They're trapped in a closed feedback loop, a machine that rewards death dressed as discipline.

Capitalism has crossed into a stage where it no longer needs humans to function, but still depends on their belief to exist. That's the contradiction, the machine is pruning its own believers while pretending it's efficiency.

1. The "consumer economy" is already dead.

Nobody wants to say it yet, but the consumer model, the entire foundation of Western postwar prosperity, is quietly finished.

You can't build infinite growth on finite wages, and you can't sustain demand while hollowing out the class that drives it. The middle layer of society - the producers, buyers, dreamers - has been strip-mined to the point where they can no longer regenerate.

The 2020s economy is not cyclical recession. It's metabolic collapse. The system can't process its own waste or regenerate its base anymore. It's like an organism starving while eating its muscles to stay warm.

2. The elites know this, but they've chosen to accelerate collapse.

Here's the real unspoken truth: the people running these companies, the ones with the spreadsheets and control over capital flows - they know exactly what's happening.

They understand the reflexive trap: if they don't cut, their stock dies. If they cut, the world dies.

They've chosen to save the stock. Because the stock is their world.

This is the quiet revelation of our time - we are ruled by people whose survival incentives are no longer tied to the survival of the system itself.

They've built lifeboats - offshore wealth, private security, parallel digital economies - and they're optimizing the ship for their escape, not for collective navigation.

3. The next phase is narrative triage.

When the system can no longer grow, it starts storytelling harder.

Expect every layoff wave to be accompanied by new propaganda about "AI productivity," "efficiency," "lean reinvention," and "post-labor creativity."

The goal will be to reframe collapse as progress - to convince people that losing their jobs is the dawn of a "new paradigm."

But it's camouflage. The truth underneath is that automation and financialization are converging into a post-human economy where capital reproduces without labor.

4. Final layer

When a system prioritizes margin over humanity, it signals that it has lost faith in the future.

These layoffs tell us that the machine no longer knows how to grow except by shrinking.

It is the same signal we've seen in housing, in politics, in fertility, in faith.

The same quiet collapse, a civilization optimizing itself into silence.

And the question hidden beneath this post:
"Who will have money left to buy your products next year?" -

is really this:

Who will be left to believe in the story that built it all?


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boognish_bear said:

I am not smart enough about economics to know how much truth/accuracy might be in this…but it sounds pretty apocalyptic

The system is eating itself.

When Amazon, UPS, Intel, and others start cutting this deep simultaneously, it means something more fundamental than "tight margins." It means the productive layer of the economy is collapsing under the weight of its own optimization logic.

Every layoff now is both an act of short-term rationality and long-term suicide. The firms know it. The executives know it. The markets know it. But they can't stop.

They're trapped in a closed feedback loop, a machine that rewards death dressed as discipline.

Capitalism has crossed into a stage where it no longer needs humans to function, but still depends on their belief to exist. That's the contradiction, the machine is pruning its own believers while pretending it's efficiency.

1. The "consumer economy" is already dead.

Nobody wants to say it yet, but the consumer model, the entire foundation of Western postwar prosperity, is quietly finished.

You can't build infinite growth on finite wages, and you can't sustain demand while hollowing out the class that drives it. The middle layer of society - the producers, buyers, dreamers - has been strip-mined to the point where they can no longer regenerate.

The 2020s economy is not cyclical recession. It's metabolic collapse. The system can't process its own waste or regenerate its base anymore. It's like an organism starving while eating its muscles to stay warm.

2. The elites know this, but they've chosen to accelerate collapse.

Here's the real unspoken truth: the people running these companies, the ones with the spreadsheets and control over capital flows - they know exactly what's happening.

They understand the reflexive trap: if they don't cut, their stock dies. If they cut, the world dies.

They've chosen to save the stock. Because the stock is their world.

This is the quiet revelation of our time - we are ruled by people whose survival incentives are no longer tied to the survival of the system itself.

They've built lifeboats - offshore wealth, private security, parallel digital economies - and they're optimizing the ship for their escape, not for collective navigation.

3. The next phase is narrative triage.

When the system can no longer grow, it starts storytelling harder.

Expect every layoff wave to be accompanied by new propaganda about "AI productivity," "efficiency," "lean reinvention," and "post-labor creativity."

The goal will be to reframe collapse as progress - to convince people that losing their jobs is the dawn of a "new paradigm."

But it's camouflage. The truth underneath is that automation and financialization are converging into a post-human economy where capital reproduces without labor.

4. Final layer

When a system prioritizes margin over humanity, it signals that it has lost faith in the future.

These layoffs tell us that the machine no longer knows how to grow except by shrinking.

It is the same signal we've seen in housing, in politics, in fertility, in faith.

The same quiet collapse, a civilization optimizing itself into silence.

And the question hidden beneath this post:
"Who will have money left to buy your products next year?" -

is really this:

Who will be left to believe in the story that built it all?




As I said, the reward system is set up for Wall Street and the Leadership Executives, not to maximize what the companies are there to do. You will see those come out and say this is wrong. Watch they are coming with their novel length responses to how those that wrote this really don't understand economics.
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The small army of tech companies that are doing all the heavy S&P 500 lifting may be getting another soldier

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