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whiterock
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FLBear5630 said:

We do agree. 8 wind turbines can power a small town on the Plains. That is in an area with a 13 mph avg wind speed. But you need storage for the power, as it is not an on demand asset. Consistent with surge use.

Florida P&L runs turbines in the Plains sells the power to a broker and it is used in Denver. The cash goes to FL to power gas because we do not have the wind to do it. It is a little piece of a big puzzle. It will never be stand alone. Just like oil and LNG will not go away. i have no issue exploring alt forms but not as the answer like the green new deal. it will be a spot treatment.

The Canary Islands are a great example of where they make a ton of sense. On one of the islands, they're using surplus wind power to first desalinate sea water, then pump the water up to a volcanic crater a few thousand feet up in the mountains, where it then becomes "stored energy." When drinking or agricultural water is needed, they release the water from the crate where it powers electric generators. Apple TV did a show on it several years back - "El HIerro - Visionaries at the End of the World."

the island's port is quite small and there's like only one aging diesel tanker in the world small enough to dock there. So it's a major port overhaul just for diesel deliveries, or a big wind/hydro power project. Seems to be coming along (although there are critics....). Seems to make a ton of sense. Probably could have some utility in California, but frankly their political leadership doesn't seem to be terribly interest in actually solving problems.
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whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

We do agree. 8 wind turbines can power a small town on the Plains. That is in an area with a 13 mph avg wind speed. But you need storage for the power, as it is not an on demand asset. Consistent with surge use.

Florida P&L runs turbines in the Plains sells the power to a broker and it is used in Denver. The cash goes to FL to power gas because we do not have the wind to do it. It is a little piece of a big puzzle. It will never be stand alone. Just like oil and LNG will not go away. i have no issue exploring alt forms but not as the answer like the green new deal. it will be a spot treatment.

The Canary Islands are a great example of where they make a ton of sense. On one of the islands, they're using surplus wind power to first desalinate sea water, then pump the water up to a volcanic crater a few thousand feet up in the mountains, where it then becomes "stored energy." When drinking or agricultural water is needed, they release the water from the crate where it powers electric generators. Apple TV did a show on it several years back - "El HIerro - Visionaries at the End of the World."

the island's port is quite small and there's like only one aging diesel tanker in the world small enough to dock there. So it's a major port overhaul just for diesel deliveries, or a big wind/hydro power project. Seems to be coming along (although there are critics....). Seems to make a ton of sense. Probably could have some utility in California, but frankly their political leadership doesn't seem to be terribly interest in actually solving problems.

So are you and Trump going to bomb them? Just because you can?
Call it a tax, the people are outraged! Call it a tariff, the people get out their checkbooks and wave their American flags!!!
FLBear5630
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Oldbear83 said:

FLBear5630 said:

We do agree. 8 wind turbines can power a small town on the Plains. That is in an area with a 13 mph avg wind speed. But you need storage for the power, as it is not an on demand asset. Consistent with surge use.

Florida P&L runs turbines in the Plains sells the power to a broker and it is used in Denver. The cash goes to FL to power gas because we do not have the wind to do it. It is a little piece of a big puzzle. It will never be stand alone. Just like oil and LNG will not go away. i have no issue exploring alt forms but not as the answer like the green new deal. it will be a spot treatment.

For me, it starts with noticing who is making the promises.

Marketing guys and 'founders' will lie out their rear end. Put engineers out there who can explain how it works and answer questions, you got something worth discussing.

Don't take engineers as the end all. They are great at the how, they are a bit weak on the why and should we...
whiterock
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

We do agree. 8 wind turbines can power a small town on the Plains. That is in an area with a 13 mph avg wind speed. But you need storage for the power, as it is not an on demand asset. Consistent with surge use.

Florida P&L runs turbines in the Plains sells the power to a broker and it is used in Denver. The cash goes to FL to power gas because we do not have the wind to do it. It is a little piece of a big puzzle. It will never be stand alone. Just like oil and LNG will not go away. i have no issue exploring alt forms but not as the answer like the green new deal. it will be a spot treatment.

The Canary Islands are a great example of where they make a ton of sense. On one of the islands, they're using surplus wind power to first desalinate sea water, then pump the water up to a volcanic crater a few thousand feet up in the mountains, where it then becomes "stored energy." When drinking or agricultural water is needed, they release the water from the crate where it powers electric generators. Apple TV did a show on it several years back - "El HIerro - Visionaries at the End of the World."

the island's port is quite small and there's like only one aging diesel tanker in the world small enough to dock there. So it's a major port overhaul just for diesel deliveries, or a big wind/hydro power project. Seems to be coming along (although there are critics....). Seems to make a ton of sense. Probably could have some utility in California, but frankly their political leadership doesn't seem to be terribly interest in actually solving problems.

So are you and Trump going to bomb them? Just because you can?

We certainly could, but there's no need. They not building nukes and conducting terrorism against us or anything like that.
Realitybites
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FLBear5630 said:


And when that situation becomes the new normal, as Moody's is reporting oil prices will be? You guys getting into EVs? All of a sudden, Tesla is very happy.


Getting a Tesla six months ago was a lucky decision.
J.R.
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Realitybites said:

FLBear5630 said:


And when that situation becomes the new normal, as Moody's is reporting oil prices will be? You guys getting into EVs? All of a sudden, Tesla is very happy.


Getting a Tesla six months ago was a lucky decision.

Commie, Pinko, leftist! wink
FLBear5630
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Realitybites said:

FLBear5630 said:


And when that situation becomes the new normal, as Moody's is reporting oil prices will be? You guys getting into EVs? All of a sudden, Tesla is very happy.


Getting a Tesla six months ago was a lucky decision.


One of these days the DOGE story will come out. It was not what MAGA thinks, some altruistic move by Trump and Musk to save the US from debt.
J.R.
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all I know is I have a Ranch in W. Texas and those damn wind turbines are everywhere. Hideous.
whiterock
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FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

FLBear5630 said:


And when that situation becomes the new normal, as Moody's is reporting oil prices will be? You guys getting into EVs? All of a sudden, Tesla is very happy.


Getting a Tesla six months ago was a lucky decision.


One of these days the DOGE story will come out. It was not what MAGA thinks, some altruistic move by Trump and Musk to save the US from debt.

listening to Candace Owens again?
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whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

FLBear5630 said:


And when that situation becomes the new normal, as Moody's is reporting oil prices will be? You guys getting into EVs? All of a sudden, Tesla is very happy.


Getting a Tesla six months ago was a lucky decision.


One of these days the DOGE story will come out. It was not what MAGA thinks, some altruistic move by Trump and Musk to save the US from debt.

listening to Candace Owens again?

Nah. Candace thinks DOGE is great
Waco1947
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whiterock
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muddybrazos
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whiterock said:



I think a correction is coming over the summer. I think bitcoin dips into the mid to lower 50s if only briefly like for day. I hope we dont have a black swan type of event but something will trigger a correction but it will probably be short lived and we start going back up by fall or later summer. Buffet is in all cash waiting and if oil prices stay high like this hisotically it means a big correction is coming.
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muddybrazos said:

whiterock said:



I think a correction is coming over the summer. I think bitcoin dips into the mid to lower 50s if only briefly like for day. I hope we dont have a black swan type of event but something will trigger a correction but it will probably be short lived and we start going back up by fall or later summer. Buffet is in all cash waiting and if oil prices stay high like this hisotically it means a big correction is coming.

If. Oil prices will fall when Iran submits, which I would assess to likely be in May. (Iran will try to hold out until the 60-day window closes in the WPA….to see if Congress will force Trump to withdraw)

The panic has passed. Attacking Iran did not cause a global catastrophe. Nor did blockading the Hormuz straits. Calm is settling in as everyone realizes the benefits of living in a world free of Iranian mullah possessing nuclear weapons.

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whiterock said:

muddybrazos said:

whiterock said:



I think a correction is coming over the summer. I think bitcoin dips into the mid to lower 50s if only briefly like for day. I hope we dont have a black swan type of event but something will trigger a correction but it will probably be short lived and we start going back up by fall or later summer. Buffet is in all cash waiting and if oil prices stay high like this hisotically it means a big correction is coming.

If. Oil prices will fall when Iran submits, which I would assess to likely be in May. (Iran will try to hold out until the 60-day window closes in the WPA….to see if Congress will force Trump to withdraw)

The panic has passed. Attacking Iran did not cause a global catastrophe. Nor did blockading the Hormuz straits. Calm is settling in as everyone realizes the benefits of living in a world free of Iranian mullah possessing nuclear weapons.



They dont say sell in May and walk away for nothing. I think we may see the dip in the summer before the rip in the fall. They need to juice the markets heading into the midterms and do all they can to keep gas prices low after summer drivng season. I guess we will see how it shakes out but I know for bitcoin specififcally we are not done going down yet and imo the bottom is not in. I did already see price drops of $.30 in the gas stations near me so thats a good sign heading into summer.
FLBear5630
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You work for MAGA, right?
muddybrazos
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FLBear5630 said:

You work for MAGA, right?

Are you asking me if I work for Maga? No, I am pro America and no longer identify with the party of Mark Levin, Laura Loomer and Lindsey Graham.
Oldbear83
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muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

You work for MAGA, right?

Are you asking me if I work for Maga? No, I am pro America and no longer identify with the party of Mark Levin, Laura Loomer and Lindsey Graham.

Not to worry, muddy. FLBear has a paranoia that drives him to hate all things ever said or supported by Trump. He is perhaps unaware that the Make America Great Again phrase which is now simply used as 'MAGA', was coined by Reagan.

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BUDOS said:

Okay I am not as educated on this topic as some of you and I am new to the forum. After reading the last few posts it appears that we are definitely going to run out of fossil fuels in about a hundred years or so. From what I gather we continue to fail miserably at realizing the importance of alternative energy, especially wind and solar which would much to resolve the issue.
It would seem that we keep kicking such obvious solutions to our problems down the road, like the national debt. We seem to lack the will and courage to solve our own problems. You know the home of the brave.

We're not going to run out. Its going to get too expensive to produce.
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J.R.
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Oldbear83 said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

You work for MAGA, right?

Are you asking me if I work for Maga? No, I am pro America and no longer identify with the party of Mark Levin, Laura Loomer and Lindsey Graham.

Not to worry, muddy. FLBear has a paranoia that drives him to hate all things ever said or supported by Trump. He is perhaps unaware that the Make America Great Again phrase which is now simply used as 'MAGA', was coined by Reagan.



No dumbass. FLA is a thinking individual who is able to properly assess situations. You boys are just lowest common denominator.
FLBear5630
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Not you, Whiterock. He is the Trump/MAGA PR firm. Trump's personal Don Draper
Oldbear83
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J.R.'s spite is always a good indicator of hitting the target.
FLBear5630
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Trump is absolutely nothing like Reagan. MAGA under Reagan was free trade, international alliances, sponsored amnesty, and respected our institutions. Reagan would not fit in MAGA.

Trump *******ized Reagan's logo.

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whiterock
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FLBear5630 said:

Trump is absolutely nothing like Reagan. MAGA under Reagan was free trade, international alliances, sponsored amnesty, and respected our institutions. Reagan would not fit in MAGA.

Trump *******ized Reagan's logo.



I cast my first ever presidential vote for Reagan. In 1984, I entered on duty and served under him. Still have my Consular Commission with his signature.

Reagan threatened to cut off Japanese exports, forcing them to build plants here to produce here. (We studied how he did it in grad school class...tossing the textbooks to learn from current events. It's all about reordering the capital flows.....like Trump has done, using tariffs instead of quotas for leverage. Trump's first US Trade Representative was Reagan's USTR, Robert Lighthauser.)

Reagan fought hard and unsuccessfully to get Nato members to meet their 2% obligation. Yes, Nato goldbricking was a big deal back then, too. (In fairness, Reagan also had a Cold War to deal with and couldn't have pushed allies as hard as Trump could and did.)

Reagan was a rabble rouser for his day, notable union breaker, catching hell for walking away at Reykavik and demanding "Chairman Gorbachev, tear down this wall," etc... (and he got the same kind of relentless partisan attacks Trump has gotten. Hell, Democrats were still trashing him to redefine his legacy a decade after he was gone.)

You don't know Reagan very well.

Oldbear83
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FLBear5630 said:

Trump is absolutely nothing like Reagan. MAGA under Reagan was free trade, international alliances, sponsored amnesty, and respected our institutions. Reagan would not fit in MAGA.

Trump *******ized Reagan's logo.



FLBear; the new true Pelosi
J.R.
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Oldbear83 said:

J.R.'s spite is always a good indicator of hitting the target.

listen up bitter man. For some reason you confuse spite with facts. I deal in facts, not Maga Cheeto talking points and the constant barrage of of lies of the state of things. Deflection and Biden are non starters. Facts are your friend. No spite here. just the facts, man. You should perhaps take a look at the deficit, how much we are adding to it by 1 Cheeto's war. Price of Gasoline. Yes, dumbass, it has double in most places. Diesel triple. Inflation going the wrong way. All supported by facts. And the biggest fact is Cheeto's approval rating today is about around 35%. Never, ever been this low for a sitting war time POTUS. That tells you all you need to know about what people other than your ilk think of the kick ass job he is doing.
Oldbear83
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A loooooong rant from J.R.


Means I hit a bullseye
J.R.
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Oldbear83 said:

A loooooong rant from J.R.


Means I hit a bullseye

no, it means you communicate in typical Maggot fashion. abstain from the truth, rationale the truth, parrot trumping, Biden isn't president. saw you had NO refutation to the facts and if you are ok with those facts, peace be with you! Facts are your friend!
whiterock
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Read the facts and weep, JR.
As should be expected, the economy is responding to sound macroeconomic stimulus, in this case trade policy designed to incentivize manufacturing inside the USA.

J.R.
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whiterock said:

Read the facts and weep, JR.
As should be expected, the economy is responding to sound macroeconomic stimulus, in this case trade policy designed to incentivize manufacturing inside the USA.



I'm good with facts, period. No Trumpian and Maga........Liars figure, figures don't lie. Call them as they are and don't make chit up like many of yall Maggots. Mamma got your biscuits ready this morning ? Please let her wear shoes!

worst war time president approval EVER. Figures, old man. 38% approval! viva la Cheeto!

https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker
whiterock
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J.R. said:

whiterock said:

Read the facts and weep, JR.
As should be expected, the economy is responding to sound macroeconomic stimulus, in this case trade policy designed to incentivize manufacturing inside the USA.



I'm good with facts, period. No Trumpian and Maga........Liars figure, figures don't lie. Call them as they are and don't make chit up like many of yall Maggots. Mamma got your biscuits ready this morning ? Please let her wear shoes!

worst war time president approval EVER. Figures, old man. 38% approval! viva la Cheeto!

https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker


the 4-5 polls that have gotten it closest the last several cycles have him in the mid-to-high 40's and trending up, numbers which exceed most of his predecessors at this point in his term.

Watch what happens when the war ends, the price of gas drops, and the economy starts to do what leading indicators suggest it's about to do.

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J.R. said:

Oldbear83 said:

J.R.'s spite is always a good indicator of hitting the target.

listen up bitter man. For some reason you confuse spite with facts. I deal in facts, not Maga Cheeto talking points and the constant barrage of of lies of the state of things. Deflection and Biden are non starters. Facts are your friend. No spite here. just the facts, man. You should perhaps take a look at the deficit, how much we are adding to it by 1 Cheeto's war. Price of Gasoline. Yes, dumbass, it has double in most places. Diesel triple. Inflation going the wrong way. All supported by facts. And the biggest fact is Cheeto's approval rating today is about around 35%. Never, ever been this low for a sitting war time POTUS. That tells you all you need to know about what people other than your ilk think of the kick ass job he is doing.


Facts do not appear to be the primary driver of your standard rhetoric.
 
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