Canada2017 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The USS Nimitz is older than the Moskva for what it's worth.

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And still floating.

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If nothing else....the destruction of this Russian warship points out the potential vulnerability of US 'super carriers' to the latest generation of missiles .

Billions of dollars of carrier potentially destroyed by a relatively cheap anti ship missile .

Guarantee you every US naval officer will be studying the tactical events leading up to the sinking of the Moskva ........... and what it means for future ship building .

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The Montana is not a US carrier. It will take more than a couple of Neptune's to sink a US Carrier. The question is not whether carriers are obsolete, they are not. Anti-ship missiles will not end carrier value, only plane range will do that. A mobile platform.to extend firepower will be valuable for quite a l I no time.

RMF5630 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The USS Nimitz is older than the Moskva for what it's worth.

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And still floating.

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If nothing else....the destruction of this Russian warship points out the potential vulnerability of US 'super carriers' to the latest generation of missiles .

Billions of dollars of carrier potentially destroyed by a relatively cheap anti ship missile .

Guarantee you every US naval officer will be studying the tactical events leading up to the sinking of the Moskva ........... and what it means for future ship building .

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It will take more than a couple of Neptune's to sink a US Carrier. The question is not whether carriers are obsolete, they are not.

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With all the munitions kept on board.........carriers are floating bonfires .

They are huge targets......easy to locate .

Possibly not 'obsolete'....though definitely a huge concentration of budgetary assets that needs a fresh evaluation.

Unfortunately the Navy is so connected to its civilian contractors ( hundreds of retired officers work in them ) that it is going to be an extremely difficult process to change our construction priorities .

Regardless how obvious the change in missile technologies necessitates such alterations .

In other words....its time to stop fighting WW2.

The day of super carriers is fast approaching its end .

Canada2017 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The USS Nimitz is older than the Moskva for what it's worth.

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And still floating.

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If nothing else....the destruction of this Russian warship points out the potential vulnerability of US 'super carriers' to the latest generation of missiles .

Billions of dollars of carrier potentially destroyed by a relatively cheap anti ship missile .

Guarantee you every US naval officer will be studying the tactical events leading up to the sinking of the Moskva ........... and what it means for future ship building .

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It will take more than a couple of Neptune's to sink a US Carrier. The question is not whether carriers are obsolete, they are not.

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With all the munitions kept on board.........carriers are floating bonfires .

They are huge targets......easy to locate .

Possibly not 'obsolete'....though definitely a huge concentration of budgetary assets that needs a fresh evaluation.

Unfortunately the Navy is so connected to its civilian contractors ( hundreds of retired officers work in them ) that it is going to be an extremely difficult process to change our construction priorities .

Regardless how obvious the change in missile technologies necessitates such alterations .

In other words....its time to stop fighting WW2.

The day of super carriers is fast approaching its end .

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small platform arbys - so to speak.

- kkm

mobile arbys.

'the days of the old conestoga wagon arbys are over'. - geo h w bush (1991)

william said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The USS Nimitz is older than the Moskva for what it's worth.

---

And still floating.

---

If nothing else....the destruction of this Russian warship points out the potential vulnerability of US 'super carriers' to the latest generation of missiles .

Billions of dollars of carrier potentially destroyed by a relatively cheap anti ship missile .

Guarantee you every US naval officer will be studying the tactical events leading up to the sinking of the Moskva ........... and what it means for future ship building .

---

It will take more than a couple of Neptune's to sink a US Carrier. The question is not whether carriers are obsolete, they are not.

---

With all the munitions kept on board.........carriers are floating bonfires .

They are huge targets......easy to locate .

Possibly not 'obsolete'....though definitely a huge concentration of budgetary assets that needs a fresh evaluation.

Unfortunately the Navy is so connected to its civilian contractors ( hundreds of retired officers work in them ) that it is going to be an extremely difficult process to change our construction priorities .

Regardless how obvious the change in missile technologies necessitates such alterations .

In other words....its time to stop fighting WW2.

The day of super carriers is fast approaching its end .

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small platform arbys - so to speak.

- kkm

mobile arbys.

'the days of the old conestoga wagon arbys are over'. - geo h w bush (1991)

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Arby's swarm. Hundreds of Arby's sliders with Arby's fighters within Arby's fighters.

Amal Shuq-Up said:

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william said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The USS Nimitz is older than the Moskva for what it's worth.

---

And still floating.

---

If nothing else....the destruction of this Russian warship points out the potential vulnerability of US 'super carriers' to the latest generation of missiles .

Billions of dollars of carrier potentially destroyed by a relatively cheap anti ship missile .

Guarantee you every US naval officer will be studying the tactical events leading up to the sinking of the Moskva ........... and what it means for future ship building .

---

It will take more than a couple of Neptune's to sink a US Carrier. The question is not whether carriers are obsolete, they are not.

---

With all the munitions kept on board.........carriers are floating bonfires .

They are huge targets......easy to locate .

Possibly not 'obsolete'....though definitely a huge concentration of budgetary assets that needs a fresh evaluation.

Unfortunately the Navy is so connected to its civilian contractors ( hundreds of retired officers work in them ) that it is going to be an extremely difficult process to change our construction priorities .

Regardless how obvious the change in missile technologies necessitates such alterations .

In other words....its time to stop fighting WW2.

The day of super carriers is fast approaching its end .

---

small platform arbys - so to speak.

- kkm

mobile arbys.

'the days of the old conestoga wagon arbys are over'. - geo h w bush (1991)

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Arby's swarm. Hundreds of Arby's sliders with Arby's fighters within Arby's fighters.

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ever see these any more? ever stop to think why?

and map* the decline of our country over that interval..

*( on graph paper w/ no 2 pencil and ruler)

- KKM



*mind blown*

RMF5630 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The USS Nimitz is older than the Moskva for what it's worth.

---

And still floating.

---

If nothing else....the destruction of this Russian warship points out the potential vulnerability of US 'super carriers' to the latest generation of missiles .

Billions of dollars of carrier potentially destroyed by a relatively cheap anti ship missile .

Guarantee you every US naval officer will be studying the tactical events leading up to the sinking of the Moskva ........... and what it means for future ship building .

---

The Montana is not a US carrier. It will take more than a couple of Neptune's to sink a US Carrier. The question is not whether carriers are obsolete, they are not. Anti-ship missiles will not end carrier value, only plane range will do that. A mobile platform.to extend firepower will be valuable for quite a l I no time.

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Modern subs will pose a very present danger to modern carriers as well. Large fleets will be targeted by every weapon available early in any super power conflict.

EatMoreSalmon said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The USS Nimitz is older than the Moskva for what it's worth.

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And still floating.

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If nothing else....the destruction of this Russian warship points out the potential vulnerability of US 'super carriers' to the latest generation of missiles .

Billions of dollars of carrier potentially destroyed by a relatively cheap anti ship missile .

Guarantee you every US naval officer will be studying the tactical events leading up to the sinking of the Moskva ........... and what it means for future ship building .

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The Montana is not a US carrier. It will take more than a couple of Neptune's to sink a US Carrier. The question is not whether carriers are obsolete, they are not. Anti-ship missiles will not end carrier value, only plane range will do that. A mobile platform.to extend firepower will be valuable for quite a l I no time.

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Modern subs will pose a very present danger to modern carriers as well. Large fleets will be targeted by every weapon available early in any super power conflict.

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What is your measure of success? 1 loss or several? Several carriers may not survive a war in fighting shape with a peer adversary. Every major war has seen capital ships sunk, I would not expect different with China and even Russia may be able to get one.
That is not a failure or loss of the war, that is life. There will be weapons systems we don't know about, ones that don't work and surprise successes.

If the measure of a loss is one capital ship lost, that is an unrealistic expectation.

RMF5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The USS Nimitz is older than the Moskva for what it's worth.

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And still floating.

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If nothing else....the destruction of this Russian warship points out the potential vulnerability of US 'super carriers' to the latest generation of missiles .

Billions of dollars of carrier potentially destroyed by a relatively cheap anti ship missile .

Guarantee you every US naval officer will be studying the tactical events leading up to the sinking of the Moskva ........... and what it means for future ship building .

---

The Montana is not a US carrier. It will take more than a couple of Neptune's to sink a US Carrier. The question is not whether carriers are obsolete, they are not. Anti-ship missiles will not end carrier value, only plane range will do that. A mobile platform.to extend firepower will be valuable for quite a l I no time.

---

Modern subs will pose a very present danger to modern carriers as well. Large fleets will be targeted by every weapon available early in any super power conflict.

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What is your measure of success? 1 loss or several? Several carriers may not survive a war in fighting shape with a peer adversary. Every major war has seen capital ships sunk, I would not expect different with China and even Russia may be able to get one.
That is not a failure or loss of the war, that is life. There will be weapons systems we don't know about, ones that don't work and surprise successes.

If the measure of a loss is one capital ship lost, that is an unrealistic expectation.

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Losses will be greater in a modern super power conflict. Guided munitions are very difficult to defend against.

After slowing to 10% in February, producer price inflation accelerated again last month

Wholesale Price Inflation Rose to 11.2% in March

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Grains and fresh vegetables saw sharp price spikes last month, with grain prices up 16% over February alone and up 40% on a 12-month basis. Fresh and dry vegetables, which had seen wholesale prices slide month to month in December, January and February, did an about-face in March: Prices shot up 42% over February levels and are now up more than 80% year over year.

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U.S. farmers are poised to plant more soybeans than corn for just the third time ever as the highest fertilizer prices on record prompt growers to turn away from the cost-intensive grain.

As sanctions bite Russia, fertilizer shortage imperils world food supply

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Combined, Russia and Belarus accounted for more than 40% of global exports of potash last year, one of three critical nutrients used to boost crop yields,

Russia and Ukraine are major grain producers. Together they account for about 30% of global wheat exports and 20% of corn exports.

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Should be able to step up potash supply from Colorado.

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Should be able to step up potash supply from Colorado.

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That may help the US but the grain growers in Europe, the Middle East and Africa are going to have to use less fertlizer which means lower yields which means hungry people which means political unrest

BREAKING: Putin says Russia has successfully tested a new intercontinental missile “that is capable of overcoming all modern means of anti-missile defense.” - Reuters

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) April 20, 2022

Price of corn hits 9-year high as surge in commodities continues

• The contracts for July corn futures were trading above $8 per bushel on Monday, the highest level since September 2012.
• Corn is just one of several agriculture commodities that has seen surging prices in recent weeks, in part due to the war in Ukraine.
• Even prior to the war, agricultural commodities were seeing some upward pressure supply chain disruptions and high transportation costs that are contributing to inflation throughout the economy.
• Ukraine is a major exporter of wheat and other items, such as sunflower oil, while Russia is a key producer of wheat and many of the chemicals used in fertilizer. That is leading futures traders to bet that higher input costs and more demand for corn as a substitute food item will drive up the price.

Lol…suuuuuure

Jacques Strap said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Should be able to step up potash supply from Colorado.

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That may help the US but the grain growers in Europe, the Middle East and Africa are going to have to use less fertlizer which means lower yields which means hungry people which means political unrest

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So if everyone legalizes pot....

In medieval rural russia putin’s information control is absolute, and people have neither the means nor the will to question the kremlin narrative because otherwise one of the key beliefs that keeps them going will fall apart - that their suffering is worthwhile… https://t.co/HhbHVInwcW

— Yngvar (@UXMarksTheSpot) April 20, 2022

william said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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william said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The USS Nimitz is older than the Moskva for what it's worth.

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And still floating.

---

If nothing else....the destruction of this Russian warship points out the potential vulnerability of US 'super carriers' to the latest generation of missiles .

Billions of dollars of carrier potentially destroyed by a relatively cheap anti ship missile .

Guarantee you every US naval officer will be studying the tactical events leading up to the sinking of the Moskva ........... and what it means for future ship building .

---

It will take more than a couple of Neptune's to sink a US Carrier. The question is not whether carriers are obsolete, they are not.

---

With all the munitions kept on board.........carriers are floating bonfires .

They are huge targets......easy to locate .

Possibly not 'obsolete'....though definitely a huge concentration of budgetary assets that needs a fresh evaluation.

Unfortunately the Navy is so connected to its civilian contractors ( hundreds of retired officers work in them ) that it is going to be an extremely difficult process to change our construction priorities .

Regardless how obvious the change in missile technologies necessitates such alterations .

In other words....its time to stop fighting WW2.

The day of super carriers is fast approaching its end .

---

small platform arbys - so to speak.

- kkm

mobile arbys.

'the days of the old conestoga wagon arbys are over'. - geo h w bush (1991)

---

Arby's swarm. Hundreds of Arby's sliders with Arby's fighters within Arby's fighters.

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ever see these any more? ever stop to think why?

and map* the decline of our country over that interval..

*( on graph paper w/ no 2 pencil and ruler)

- KKM



*mind blown*

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I have never been a huge Arby's fan but have always thought they should be allowed to live. Your incessant posting kinda makes me wish Chapter 7 for them.

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william said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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william said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The USS Nimitz is older than the Moskva for what it's worth.

---

And still floating.

---

If nothing else....the destruction of this Russian warship points out the potential vulnerability of US 'super carriers' to the latest generation of missiles .

Billions of dollars of carrier potentially destroyed by a relatively cheap anti ship missile .

Guarantee you every US naval officer will be studying the tactical events leading up to the sinking of the Moskva ........... and what it means for future ship building .

---

It will take more than a couple of Neptune's to sink a US Carrier. The question is not whether carriers are obsolete, they are not.

---

With all the munitions kept on board.........carriers are floating bonfires .

They are huge targets......easy to locate .

Possibly not 'obsolete'....though definitely a huge concentration of budgetary assets that needs a fresh evaluation.

Unfortunately the Navy is so connected to its civilian contractors ( hundreds of retired officers work in them ) that it is going to be an extremely difficult process to change our construction priorities .

Regardless how obvious the change in missile technologies necessitates such alterations .

In other words....its time to stop fighting WW2.

The day of super carriers is fast approaching its end .

---

small platform arbys - so to speak.

- kkm

mobile arbys.

'the days of the old conestoga wagon arbys are over'. - geo h w bush (1991)

---

Arby's swarm. Hundreds of Arby's sliders with Arby's fighters within Arby's fighters.

---

ever see these any more? ever stop to think why?

and map* the decline of our country over that interval..

*( on graph paper w/ no 2 pencil and ruler)

- KKM



*mind blown*

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I have never been a huge Arby's fan but have always thought they should be allowed to live. Your incessant posting kinda makes me wish Chapter 7 for them.

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Don't be a hater. Beef n Cheddar. There is nothing better.

This is amazing. If you donate more than $1000 to the Drones for Ukraine fund they'll send you this, Part of the skin of one of the SU-34's shot down during the Battle of Kyiv tagged with the aircraft's details, Date and means of shootdown. pic.twitter.com/m5YCLyXWYf

— Magz (@MagzGTV) April 27, 2022

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william said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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william said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The USS Nimitz is older than the Moskva for what it's worth.

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And still floating.

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If nothing else....the

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*( on graph paper w/ no 2 pencil

*mind blown*

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I have never been a huge Arby's fan but have always thought they should be allowed to live. Your incessant posting kinda makes me wish Chapter 7 for them.

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wicked demon............

- kkm

The U.S. is rushing weapons to Ukraine, but its own stockpiles are running low, and defense manufacturers can’t immediately replace them https://t.co/urVPOZ0w8t via @WSJ

— Lindsay Wise (@lindsaywise) April 28, 2022

Crazy stat.

About 56,000 people were murdered in Brazil in 2017.

Thats slightly more than have died in the active war in Ukraine since 24 February 2022.

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Crazy stat.

About 56,000 people were murdered in Brazil in 2017.

Thats slightly more than have died in the active war in Ukraine since 24 February 2022.

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There are likely thousands of dead civilians alone that are unaccounted for in occupied territories.

william said:

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william said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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william said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The USS Nimitz is older than the Moskva for what it's worth.

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And still floating.

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If nothing else....the

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*( on graph paper w/ no 2 pencil

*mind blown*

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I have never been a huge Arby's fan but have always thought they should be allowed to live. Your incessant posting kinda makes me wish Chapter 7 for them.

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wicked demon............

- kkm

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Canon said:

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william said:

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william said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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william said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The USS Nimitz is older than the Moskva for what it's worth.

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And still floating.

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If nothing else....the

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*( on graph paper w/ no 2 pencil

*mind blown*

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I have never been a huge Arby's fan but have always thought they should be allowed to live. Your incessant posting kinda makes me wish Chapter 7 for them.

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wicked demon............

- kkm

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and where is our blasphemer of beef?

our miscreant of meat?

- kkm

{ sipping coffee }

{ enjoying sticky bun }

Today Ukraine exports just 700,000 tons per month via rail to Poland and Romania. They hope to raise that to 1m per month soon. Yet, that’s about 10% of their needs https://t.co/23Dqqaa2bg

— Dmitri Alperovitch (@DAlperovitch) April 30, 2022

OP asked how long this war will last. At this point, it could be years. Russia has the manpower and resources to carry on forever; Ukraine not so much. Ergo, a long-term stalemate that destabilizes Ukraine is a net-win for Russia.

Outright Ukrainian victory has a very steep hill to climb - Crimea is a must have for Russia, a strategic asset Russia will mobilize to retain. Loss of it would severely restrict Russian status as a world power, as it could not maintain a serious Black Sea fleet needed to deter & project against the southern tier of NATO nations, and to support Russian foreign policy aims* in the Middle East (which has significant impact on Russian energy industry).

Ukraine and the West should be calling for international support to make the Black Sea a demilitarized zone. Will not happen, of course, but such would keep Russia on the defensive in international forums.