U.S Senate races

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EatMoreSalmon said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Current RCP Senate projection is GOP +2

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/elections-map-rcp-projection.html

RCP is more accurate than 538

Momentum is all GOP, so surprises are more likely to raise the GOP number than the Dem number.
Polling question: RCP summary of PA shows Fetterman leading in every poll, but then RCP indicating Oz wins. What information are they looking at to project Oz?
Good question. Perhaps the trend toward the race tightening? All I can see.
Seems reasonable
I wonder what their secret sauce is?
4th and Inches
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Not senate but really interesting



Notice Hobbs barely moves in vote percent, Lake moves all over the place.
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whiterock said:

Current RCP Senate projection is GOP +2

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/elections-map-rcp-projection.html

RCP is more accurate than 538

Momentum is all GOP, so surprises are more likely to raise the GOP number than the Dem number.
This article (published here in part) in Politico is about the trouble with polling. Main point is pollsters having trouble getting the composition of the electorate. It's long, but a fun read for a few.

Pollsters fear they're blowing it again in 2022
Democrats seem to be doing better than expected with voters. But if the polls are wrong, they could be disappointed in November again.
Pollsters know they have a problem. But they aren't sure they've fixed it in time for the November election.
Since Donald Trump's unexpected 2016 victory, pre-election polls have consistently understated support for Republican candidates, compared to the votes ultimately cast.
Once again, polls over the past two months are showing Democrats running stronger than once expected in a number of critical midterm races. It's left some wondering whether the rosy results are setting the stage for another potential polling failure that dashes Democratic hopes of retaining control of Congress and vindicates the GOP's assertion that the polls are unfairly biased against them.
It's not that pollsters haven't tried to fix the issues that plagued them in recent elections. Whether they're public firms conducting surveys for the media and academic instructions or private campaign consultants, they have spent the past two years tweaking their methods to avoid a 2020 repeat.
But most of the changes they have made are small. Some pollsters are hoping that since Trump isn't running in the midterms, the problems of underestimating Republicans' vote share will disappear with him. But others worry that Trump's ongoing dominance of the news cycle from the FBI seizure of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago to litigation against his businesses in New York effectively is making him the central political figure going into Election Day.
"There's no question that the polling errors in [20]16 and [20]20 worry the polling profession, worry me as a pollster," said Charles Franklin, the director of the Marquette Law School Poll in Milwaukee and a longtime survey-taker in the battleground state of Wisconsin. "The troubling part is how much of that is unique to when Donald Trump is on the ballot, versus midterms when he is not on the ballot."
After 2016, pollsters said the problem was their samples included too few voters without college degrees. The polls were better for the 2018 midterms, though they were still too Democratic on balance.
Then came 2020 which was worse than 2016, and for which pollsters have yet to settle on a definitive explanation of what precisely went wrong. As a result, an easy fix has proven elusive. But pollsters have mostly agreed that, particularly in 2020, the surveys missed a chunk of Trump's voters who refused to participate in polls.

The current 2022 polling is wildly favorable for Democrats. FiveThirtyEight's "lite" prediction model, which is based solely on the latest polling data, says Democrats have a 79 percent chance to retain control of the Senate. That probability clashes with the expectations of both parties and most independent handicappers, who consider the battle for the chamber to be closer to a coin flip.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/26/pollsters-fear-elections-2024-00058506?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014f-091f-dc50-a77f-2fff8e170000&nlid=630318


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Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Current RCP Senate projection is GOP +2

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/elections-map-rcp-projection.html

RCP is more accurate than 538

Momentum is all GOP, so surprises are more likely to raise the GOP number than the Dem number.
This article (published here in part) in Politico is about the trouble with polling. Main point is pollsters having trouble getting the composition of the electorate. It's long, but a fun read for a few.

Pollsters fear they're blowing it again in 2022
Democrats seem to be doing better than expected with voters. But if the polls are wrong, they could be disappointed in November again.
Pollsters know they have a problem. But they aren't sure they've fixed it in time for the November election.
Since Donald Trump's unexpected 2016 victory, pre-election polls have consistently understated support for Republican candidates, compared to the votes ultimately cast.
Once again, polls over the past two months are showing Democrats running stronger than once expected in a number of critical midterm races. It's left some wondering whether the rosy results are setting the stage for another potential polling failure that dashes Democratic hopes of retaining control of Congress and vindicates the GOP's assertion that the polls are unfairly biased against them.
It's not that pollsters haven't tried to fix the issues that plagued them in recent elections. Whether they're public firms conducting surveys for the media and academic instructions or private campaign consultants, they have spent the past two years tweaking their methods to avoid a 2020 repeat.
But most of the changes they have made are small. Some pollsters are hoping that since Trump isn't running in the midterms, the problems of underestimating Republicans' vote share will disappear with him. But others worry that Trump's ongoing dominance of the news cycle from the FBI seizure of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago to litigation against his businesses in New York effectively is making him the central political figure going into Election Day.
"There's no question that the polling errors in [20]16 and [20]20 worry the polling profession, worry me as a pollster," said Charles Franklin, the director of the Marquette Law School Poll in Milwaukee and a longtime survey-taker in the battleground state of Wisconsin. "The troubling part is how much of that is unique to when Donald Trump is on the ballot, versus midterms when he is not on the ballot."
After 2016, pollsters said the problem was their samples included too few voters without college degrees. The polls were better for the 2018 midterms, though they were still too Democratic on balance.
Then came 2020 which was worse than 2016, and for which pollsters have yet to settle on a definitive explanation of what precisely went wrong. As a result, an easy fix has proven elusive. But pollsters have mostly agreed that, particularly in 2020, the surveys missed a chunk of Trump's voters who refused to participate in polls.

The current 2022 polling is wildly favorable for Democrats. FiveThirtyEight's "lite" prediction model, which is based solely on the latest polling data, says Democrats have a 79 percent chance to retain control of the Senate. That probability clashes with the expectations of both parties and most independent handicappers, who consider the battle for the chamber to be closer to a coin flip.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/26/pollsters-fear-elections-2024-00058506?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014f-091f-dc50-a77f-2fff8e170000&nlid=630318

a left leaning media outlet discussing how awesome the left leaning polls are but maybe, just maybe we gonna miss it again even though we tried.. LOL
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4th and Inches said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Current RCP Senate projection is GOP +2

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/elections-map-rcp-projection.html

RCP is more accurate than 538

Momentum is all GOP, so surprises are more likely to raise the GOP number than the Dem number.
This article (published here in part) in Politico is about the trouble with polling. Main point is pollsters having trouble getting the composition of the electorate. It's long, but a fun read for a few.

Pollsters fear they're blowing it again in 2022
Democrats seem to be doing better than expected with voters. But if the polls are wrong, they could be disappointed in November again.
Pollsters know they have a problem. But they aren't sure they've fixed it in time for the November election.
Since Donald Trump's unexpected 2016 victory, pre-election polls have consistently understated support for Republican candidates, compared to the votes ultimately cast.
Once again, polls over the past two months are showing Democrats running stronger than once expected in a number of critical midterm races. It's left some wondering whether the rosy results are setting the stage for another potential polling failure that dashes Democratic hopes of retaining control of Congress and vindicates the GOP's assertion that the polls are unfairly biased against them.
It's not that pollsters haven't tried to fix the issues that plagued them in recent elections. Whether they're public firms conducting surveys for the media and academic instructions or private campaign consultants, they have spent the past two years tweaking their methods to avoid a 2020 repeat.
But most of the changes they have made are small. Some pollsters are hoping that since Trump isn't running in the midterms, the problems of underestimating Republicans' vote share will disappear with him. But others worry that Trump's ongoing dominance of the news cycle from the FBI seizure of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago to litigation against his businesses in New York effectively is making him the central political figure going into Election Day.
"There's no question that the polling errors in [20]16 and [20]20 worry the polling profession, worry me as a pollster," said Charles Franklin, the director of the Marquette Law School Poll in Milwaukee and a longtime survey-taker in the battleground state of Wisconsin. "The troubling part is how much of that is unique to when Donald Trump is on the ballot, versus midterms when he is not on the ballot."
After 2016, pollsters said the problem was their samples included too few voters without college degrees. The polls were better for the 2018 midterms, though they were still too Democratic on balance.
Then came 2020 which was worse than 2016, and for which pollsters have yet to settle on a definitive explanation of what precisely went wrong. As a result, an easy fix has proven elusive. But pollsters have mostly agreed that, particularly in 2020, the surveys missed a chunk of Trump's voters who refused to participate in polls.

The current 2022 polling is wildly favorable for Democrats. FiveThirtyEight's "lite" prediction model, which is based solely on the latest polling data, says Democrats have a 79 percent chance to retain control of the Senate. That probability clashes with the expectations of both parties and most independent handicappers, who consider the battle for the chamber to be closer to a coin flip.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/26/pollsters-fear-elections-2024-00058506?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014f-091f-dc50-a77f-2fff8e170000&nlid=630318

a left leaning media outlet discussing how awesome the left leaning polls are but maybe, just maybe we gonna miss it again even though we tried.. LOL
As I read the article, this article supports your position (i.e. polls have not been reliable & they don't know how to fix them). The article isn't describing polls as awesome, quite the contrary.
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Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Current RCP Senate projection is GOP +2

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/elections-map-rcp-projection.html

RCP is more accurate than 538

Momentum is all GOP, so surprises are more likely to raise the GOP number than the Dem number.
This article (published here in part) in Politico is about the trouble with polling. Main point is pollsters having trouble getting the composition of the electorate. It's long, but a fun read for a few.

Pollsters fear they're blowing it again in 2022
Democrats seem to be doing better than expected with voters. But if the polls are wrong, they could be disappointed in November again.
Pollsters know they have a problem. But they aren't sure they've fixed it in time for the November election.
Since Donald Trump's unexpected 2016 victory, pre-election polls have consistently understated support for Republican candidates, compared to the votes ultimately cast.
Once again, polls over the past two months are showing Democrats running stronger than once expected in a number of critical midterm races. It's left some wondering whether the rosy results are setting the stage for another potential polling failure that dashes Democratic hopes of retaining control of Congress and vindicates the GOP's assertion that the polls are unfairly biased against them.
It's not that pollsters haven't tried to fix the issues that plagued them in recent elections. Whether they're public firms conducting surveys for the media and academic instructions or private campaign consultants, they have spent the past two years tweaking their methods to avoid a 2020 repeat.
But most of the changes they have made are small. Some pollsters are hoping that since Trump isn't running in the midterms, the problems of underestimating Republicans' vote share will disappear with him. But others worry that Trump's ongoing dominance of the news cycle from the FBI seizure of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago to litigation against his businesses in New York effectively is making him the central political figure going into Election Day.
"There's no question that the polling errors in [20]16 and [20]20 worry the polling profession, worry me as a pollster," said Charles Franklin, the director of the Marquette Law School Poll in Milwaukee and a longtime survey-taker in the battleground state of Wisconsin. "The troubling part is how much of that is unique to when Donald Trump is on the ballot, versus midterms when he is not on the ballot."
After 2016, pollsters said the problem was their samples included too few voters without college degrees. The polls were better for the 2018 midterms, though they were still too Democratic on balance.
Then came 2020 which was worse than 2016, and for which pollsters have yet to settle on a definitive explanation of what precisely went wrong. As a result, an easy fix has proven elusive. But pollsters have mostly agreed that, particularly in 2020, the surveys missed a chunk of Trump's voters who refused to participate in polls.

The current 2022 polling is wildly favorable for Democrats. FiveThirtyEight's "lite" prediction model, which is based solely on the latest polling data, says Democrats have a 79 percent chance to retain control of the Senate. That probability clashes with the expectations of both parties and most independent handicappers, who consider the battle for the chamber to be closer to a coin flip.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/26/pollsters-fear-elections-2024-00058506?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014f-091f-dc50-a77f-2fff8e170000&nlid=630318

a left leaning media outlet discussing how awesome the left leaning polls are but maybe, just maybe we gonna miss it again even though we tried.. LOL
As I read the article, this article supports your position (i.e. polls have not been reliable & they don't know how to fix them). The article isn't describing polls as awesome, quite the contrary.

Oh they know how to fix them. They're not trying to. Nobody serious about politics thinks this cycle will be kind to Dems. There's just nothing to base it on.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/in-midterm-politics-historical-analogies-work-until-they-dont

What they're kvetching about is what 4th alluded to - they can't find a way to keep the Dems in a competitive position without leaving reality.

James Lee at Susquehanna (GOP state pollster in PA) talked about this issue after 2020, in context of professional ethics. Monmouth had a poll a week out from election day showing Biden up by 17 in WI (one of the states in de facto tie where fraud affected out one). There's jus no professional explanation for being 17 points off the mark. But if they publish poll numbers from the universe they actually expect likely to vote, Dem fundraising stops. So they continue to post skewed numbers…..in the pursuit of "democracy."
Osodecentx
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whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Current RCP Senate projection is GOP +2

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/elections-map-rcp-projection.html

RCP is more accurate than 538

Momentum is all GOP, so surprises are more likely to raise the GOP number than the Dem number.
This article (published here in part) in Politico is about the trouble with polling. Main point is pollsters having trouble getting the composition of the electorate. It's long, but a fun read for a few.

Pollsters fear they're blowing it again in 2022
Democrats seem to be doing better than expected with voters. But if the polls are wrong, they could be disappointed in November again.
Pollsters know they have a problem. But they aren't sure they've fixed it in time for the November election.
Since Donald Trump's unexpected 2016 victory, pre-election polls have consistently understated support for Republican candidates, compared to the votes ultimately cast.
Once again, polls over the past two months are showing Democrats running stronger than once expected in a number of critical midterm races. It's left some wondering whether the rosy results are setting the stage for another potential polling failure that dashes Democratic hopes of retaining control of Congress and vindicates the GOP's assertion that the polls are unfairly biased against them.
It's not that pollsters haven't tried to fix the issues that plagued them in recent elections. Whether they're public firms conducting surveys for the media and academic instructions or private campaign consultants, they have spent the past two years tweaking their methods to avoid a 2020 repeat.
But most of the changes they have made are small. Some pollsters are hoping that since Trump isn't running in the midterms, the problems of underestimating Republicans' vote share will disappear with him. But others worry that Trump's ongoing dominance of the news cycle from the FBI seizure of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago to litigation against his businesses in New York effectively is making him the central political figure going into Election Day.
"There's no question that the polling errors in [20]16 and [20]20 worry the polling profession, worry me as a pollster," said Charles Franklin, the director of the Marquette Law School Poll in Milwaukee and a longtime survey-taker in the battleground state of Wisconsin. "The troubling part is how much of that is unique to when Donald Trump is on the ballot, versus midterms when he is not on the ballot."
After 2016, pollsters said the problem was their samples included too few voters without college degrees. The polls were better for the 2018 midterms, though they were still too Democratic on balance.
Then came 2020 which was worse than 2016, and for which pollsters have yet to settle on a definitive explanation of what precisely went wrong. As a result, an easy fix has proven elusive. But pollsters have mostly agreed that, particularly in 2020, the surveys missed a chunk of Trump's voters who refused to participate in polls.

The current 2022 polling is wildly favorable for Democrats. FiveThirtyEight's "lite" prediction model, which is based solely on the latest polling data, says Democrats have a 79 percent chance to retain control of the Senate. That probability clashes with the expectations of both parties and most independent handicappers, who consider the battle for the chamber to be closer to a coin flip.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/26/pollsters-fear-elections-2024-00058506?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014f-091f-dc50-a77f-2fff8e170000&nlid=630318

a left leaning media outlet discussing how awesome the left leaning polls are but maybe, just maybe we gonna miss it again even though we tried.. LOL
As I read the article, this article supports your position (i.e. polls have not been reliable & they don't know how to fix them). The article isn't describing polls as awesome, quite the contrary.

Oh they know how to fix them. They're not trying to. Nobody serious about politics thinks this cycle will be kind to Dems. There's just nothing to base it on.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/in-midterm-politics-historical-analogies-work-until-they-dont

What they're kvetching about is what 4th alluded to - they can't find a way to keep the Dems in a competitive position without leaving reality.

James Lee at Susquehanna (GOP state pollster in PA) talked about this issue after 2020, in context of professional ethics. Monmouth had a poll a week out from election day showing Biden up by 17 in WI (one of the states in de facto tie where fraud affected out one). There's jus no professional explanation for being 17 points off the mark. But if they publish poll numbers from the universe they actually expect likely to vote, Dem fundraising stops. So they continue to post skewed numbers…..in the pursuit of "democracy."
Do we agree that polls aren't awesome?
whiterock
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Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Current RCP Senate projection is GOP +2

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/elections-map-rcp-projection.html

RCP is more accurate than 538

Momentum is all GOP, so surprises are more likely to raise the GOP number than the Dem number.
This article (published here in part) in Politico is about the trouble with polling. Main point is pollsters having trouble getting the composition of the electorate. It's long, but a fun read for a few.

Pollsters fear they're blowing it again in 2022
Democrats seem to be doing better than expected with voters. But if the polls are wrong, they could be disappointed in November again.
Pollsters know they have a problem. But they aren't sure they've fixed it in time for the November election.
Since Donald Trump's unexpected 2016 victory, pre-election polls have consistently understated support for Republican candidates, compared to the votes ultimately cast.
Once again, polls over the past two months are showing Democrats running stronger than once expected in a number of critical midterm races. It's left some wondering whether the rosy results are setting the stage for another potential polling failure that dashes Democratic hopes of retaining control of Congress and vindicates the GOP's assertion that the polls are unfairly biased against them.
It's not that pollsters haven't tried to fix the issues that plagued them in recent elections. Whether they're public firms conducting surveys for the media and academic instructions or private campaign consultants, they have spent the past two years tweaking their methods to avoid a 2020 repeat.
But most of the changes they have made are small. Some pollsters are hoping that since Trump isn't running in the midterms, the problems of underestimating Republicans' vote share will disappear with him. But others worry that Trump's ongoing dominance of the news cycle from the FBI seizure of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago to litigation against his businesses in New York effectively is making him the central political figure going into Election Day.
"There's no question that the polling errors in [20]16 and [20]20 worry the polling profession, worry me as a pollster," said Charles Franklin, the director of the Marquette Law School Poll in Milwaukee and a longtime survey-taker in the battleground state of Wisconsin. "The troubling part is how much of that is unique to when Donald Trump is on the ballot, versus midterms when he is not on the ballot."
After 2016, pollsters said the problem was their samples included too few voters without college degrees. The polls were better for the 2018 midterms, though they were still too Democratic on balance.
Then came 2020 which was worse than 2016, and for which pollsters have yet to settle on a definitive explanation of what precisely went wrong. As a result, an easy fix has proven elusive. But pollsters have mostly agreed that, particularly in 2020, the surveys missed a chunk of Trump's voters who refused to participate in polls.

The current 2022 polling is wildly favorable for Democrats. FiveThirtyEight's "lite" prediction model, which is based solely on the latest polling data, says Democrats have a 79 percent chance to retain control of the Senate. That probability clashes with the expectations of both parties and most independent handicappers, who consider the battle for the chamber to be closer to a coin flip.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/26/pollsters-fear-elections-2024-00058506?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014f-091f-dc50-a77f-2fff8e170000&nlid=630318

a left leaning media outlet discussing how awesome the left leaning polls are but maybe, just maybe we gonna miss it again even though we tried.. LOL
As I read the article, this article supports your position (i.e. polls have not been reliable & they don't know how to fix them). The article isn't describing polls as awesome, quite the contrary.

Oh they know how to fix them. They're not trying to. Nobody serious about politics thinks this cycle will be kind to Dems. There's just nothing to base it on.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/in-midterm-politics-historical-analogies-work-until-they-dont

What they're kvetching about is what 4th alluded to - they can't find a way to keep the Dems in a competitive position without leaving reality.

James Lee at Susquehanna (GOP state pollster in PA) talked about this issue after 2020, in context of professional ethics. Monmouth had a poll a week out from election day showing Biden up by 17 in WI (one of the states in de facto tie where fraud affected out one). There's jus no professional explanation for being 17 points off the mark. But if they publish poll numbers from the universe they actually expect likely to vote, Dem fundraising stops. So they continue to post skewed numbers…..in the pursuit of "democracy."
Do we agree that polls aren't awesome?

Many of them are paid to be part of the process, to affect fundraising, turnout, outcomes. You gotta know figure out which ones are/aren't.
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Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Current RCP Senate projection is GOP +2

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/elections-map-rcp-projection.html

RCP is more accurate than 538

Momentum is all GOP, so surprises are more likely to raise the GOP number than the Dem number.
This article (published here in part) in Politico is about the trouble with polling. Main point is pollsters having trouble getting the composition of the electorate. It's long, but a fun read for a few.

Pollsters fear they're blowing it again in 2022
Democrats seem to be doing better than expected with voters. But if the polls are wrong, they could be disappointed in November again.
Pollsters know they have a problem. But they aren't sure they've fixed it in time for the November election.
Since Donald Trump's unexpected 2016 victory, pre-election polls have consistently understated support for Republican candidates, compared to the votes ultimately cast.
Once again, polls over the past two months are showing Democrats running stronger than once expected in a number of critical midterm races. It's left some wondering whether the rosy results are setting the stage for another potential polling failure that dashes Democratic hopes of retaining control of Congress and vindicates the GOP's assertion that the polls are unfairly biased against them.
It's not that pollsters haven't tried to fix the issues that plagued them in recent elections. Whether they're public firms conducting surveys for the media and academic instructions or private campaign consultants, they have spent the past two years tweaking their methods to avoid a 2020 repeat.
But most of the changes they have made are small. Some pollsters are hoping that since Trump isn't running in the midterms, the problems of underestimating Republicans' vote share will disappear with him. But others worry that Trump's ongoing dominance of the news cycle from the FBI seizure of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago to litigation against his businesses in New York effectively is making him the central political figure going into Election Day.
"There's no question that the polling errors in [20]16 and [20]20 worry the polling profession, worry me as a pollster," said Charles Franklin, the director of the Marquette Law School Poll in Milwaukee and a longtime survey-taker in the battleground state of Wisconsin. "The troubling part is how much of that is unique to when Donald Trump is on the ballot, versus midterms when he is not on the ballot."
After 2016, pollsters said the problem was their samples included too few voters without college degrees. The polls were better for the 2018 midterms, though they were still too Democratic on balance.
Then came 2020 which was worse than 2016, and for which pollsters have yet to settle on a definitive explanation of what precisely went wrong. As a result, an easy fix has proven elusive. But pollsters have mostly agreed that, particularly in 2020, the surveys missed a chunk of Trump's voters who refused to participate in polls.

The current 2022 polling is wildly favorable for Democrats. FiveThirtyEight's "lite" prediction model, which is based solely on the latest polling data, says Democrats have a 79 percent chance to retain control of the Senate. That probability clashes with the expectations of both parties and most independent handicappers, who consider the battle for the chamber to be closer to a coin flip.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/26/pollsters-fear-elections-2024-00058506?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014f-091f-dc50-a77f-2fff8e170000&nlid=630318

a left leaning media outlet discussing how awesome the left leaning polls are but maybe, just maybe we gonna miss it again even though we tried.. LOL
As I read the article, this article supports your position (i.e. polls have not been reliable & they don't know how to fix them). The article isn't describing polls as awesome, quite the contrary.

Oh they know how to fix them. They're not trying to. Nobody serious about politics thinks this cycle will be kind to Dems. There's just nothing to base it on.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/in-midterm-politics-historical-analogies-work-until-they-dont

What they're kvetching about is what 4th alluded to - they can't find a way to keep the Dems in a competitive position without leaving reality.

James Lee at Susquehanna (GOP state pollster in PA) talked about this issue after 2020, in context of professional ethics. Monmouth had a poll a week out from election day showing Biden up by 17 in WI (one of the states in de facto tie where fraud affected out one). There's jus no professional explanation for being 17 points off the mark. But if they publish poll numbers from the universe they actually expect likely to vote, Dem fundraising stops. So they continue to post skewed numbers…..in the pursuit of "democracy."
Do we agree that polls aren't awesome?
They're assassins
4th and Inches
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Ursus Americanus said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Current RCP Senate projection is GOP +2

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/elections-map-rcp-projection.html

RCP is more accurate than 538

Momentum is all GOP, so surprises are more likely to raise the GOP number than the Dem number.
This article (published here in part) in Politico is about the trouble with polling. Main point is pollsters having trouble getting the composition of the electorate. It's long, but a fun read for a few.

Pollsters fear they're blowing it again in 2022
Democrats seem to be doing better than expected with voters. But if the polls are wrong, they could be disappointed in November again.
Pollsters know they have a problem. But they aren't sure they've fixed it in time for the November election.
Since Donald Trump's unexpected 2016 victory, pre-election polls have consistently understated support for Republican candidates, compared to the votes ultimately cast.
Once again, polls over the past two months are showing Democrats running stronger than once expected in a number of critical midterm races. It's left some wondering whether the rosy results are setting the stage for another potential polling failure that dashes Democratic hopes of retaining control of Congress and vindicates the GOP's assertion that the polls are unfairly biased against them.
It's not that pollsters haven't tried to fix the issues that plagued them in recent elections. Whether they're public firms conducting surveys for the media and academic instructions or private campaign consultants, they have spent the past two years tweaking their methods to avoid a 2020 repeat.
But most of the changes they have made are small. Some pollsters are hoping that since Trump isn't running in the midterms, the problems of underestimating Republicans' vote share will disappear with him. But others worry that Trump's ongoing dominance of the news cycle from the FBI seizure of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago to litigation against his businesses in New York effectively is making him the central political figure going into Election Day.
"There's no question that the polling errors in [20]16 and [20]20 worry the polling profession, worry me as a pollster," said Charles Franklin, the director of the Marquette Law School Poll in Milwaukee and a longtime survey-taker in the battleground state of Wisconsin. "The troubling part is how much of that is unique to when Donald Trump is on the ballot, versus midterms when he is not on the ballot."
After 2016, pollsters said the problem was their samples included too few voters without college degrees. The polls were better for the 2018 midterms, though they were still too Democratic on balance.
Then came 2020 which was worse than 2016, and for which pollsters have yet to settle on a definitive explanation of what precisely went wrong. As a result, an easy fix has proven elusive. But pollsters have mostly agreed that, particularly in 2020, the surveys missed a chunk of Trump's voters who refused to participate in polls.

The current 2022 polling is wildly favorable for Democrats. FiveThirtyEight's "lite" prediction model, which is based solely on the latest polling data, says Democrats have a 79 percent chance to retain control of the Senate. That probability clashes with the expectations of both parties and most independent handicappers, who consider the battle for the chamber to be closer to a coin flip.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/26/pollsters-fear-elections-2024-00058506?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014f-091f-dc50-a77f-2fff8e170000&nlid=630318

a left leaning media outlet discussing how awesome the left leaning polls are but maybe, just maybe we gonna miss it again even though we tried.. LOL
As I read the article, this article supports your position (i.e. polls have not been reliable & they don't know how to fix them). The article isn't describing polls as awesome, quite the contrary.

Oh they know how to fix them. They're not trying to. Nobody serious about politics thinks this cycle will be kind to Dems. There's just nothing to base it on.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/in-midterm-politics-historical-analogies-work-until-they-dont

What they're kvetching about is what 4th alluded to - they can't find a way to keep the Dems in a competitive position without leaving reality.

James Lee at Susquehanna (GOP state pollster in PA) talked about this issue after 2020, in context of professional ethics. Monmouth had a poll a week out from election day showing Biden up by 17 in WI (one of the states in de facto tie where fraud affected out one). There's jus no professional explanation for being 17 points off the mark. But if they publish poll numbers from the universe they actually expect likely to vote, Dem fundraising stops. So they continue to post skewed numbers…..in the pursuit of "democracy."
Do we agree that polls aren't awesome?
They're assassins
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New YouGov/Economist poll shows 5% shift to Republicans on generic Congressional ballot even with a D+9 sample. 44-44 now, was 46-41 for Democrats in last poll.

D+9 is a freakin joke!

New Data For Progress (D) poll found that when voters were asked to list the 3 most important issues informing their midterm vote, abortion came in tied for 8th...
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New YouGov/Economist poll shows 5% shift to Republicans on generic Congressional ballot even with a D+9 sample. 44-44 now, was 46-41 for Democrats in last poll.

D+9 is a freakin joke!

New Data For Progress (D) poll found that when voters were asked to list the 3 most important issues informing their midterm vote, abortion came in tied for 8th...
Perspective: in a fairly constructed polling universe a D +4 outcome is, historically, the breakeven point. Anything less than that for Dems likely means they lose the house.
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The fact there haven't been any polls beyond the silly focus group tv stuff since the Texas governor "debate" is telling it didn't move the needle an inch either way.
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AZ Senate- latest polls show Masters is behind by a point but he is dropping 8 million dollars in buys tomorrow.
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Polls are definitely tightening..

Cross tabs show they are drastically overstating college educated in recent polls from NC and PA.

Be interesting to see how it plays out in 4 weeks
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Gallup.
R+5 on generic favorability
R=+10 on "keeping country prosperous" (historic high)
R=+20 on "keeping country safe"
R=+15 on "both of above"

file:///C:/Users/Chuck%20Wilson/Downloads/221003PartyRatings.pdf

On what planet given roughly equal levels of intensity and strong pro-GOP lean of independents (see across all polls) do we see +5-6 Dem generic ballot questions?
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Dems cutting spends on vulnerable house races.

https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2022/10/01/tom-emmer-pelosi-continues-worldwide-farewell-tour-dccc-cuts-off-vulnerable-members/

House is baked for GOP control. (not that such was ever in doubt).
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I am shocked! Shocked I tell you..
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Monmouth was the lot that had Biden up by 17 late in Wisconsin in 2020. Total shills. Just changing their polling sample to get close enough to maintain plausibility as a real polling firm.
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LOL!

Hobbs has no chance.. trash poll
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More money has shifted to AZ to back Masters. They think its winnable.
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More money has shifted to AZ to back Masters. They think its winnable.
Check out Smiley in WA. Still behind but closing. Geez what a great candidate.
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More money has shifted to AZ to back Masters. They think its winnable.
Check out Smiley in WA. Still behind but closing. Geez what a great candidate.
The gap is closing in New Hampshire as well
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57-43 isnt possible is it?
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More money has shifted to AZ to back Masters. They think its winnable.
It's totally winnable and Masters will be the MOST based senator that we have.
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57-43 isnt possible is it?
No
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This is from Karl Rove in WSJ today. His best guess as of today is 51-49 Republican

Will the GOP Win the Senate in the 2022 Midterms?
Republicans are defending more seats, but races are turning in their favor.
(Last paragraph)
The three most plausible scenarios are a 50-50 Senate, 51-49 Republican or 51-49 Democrat. A 52-48 Senate either way is possible but unlikely. My gut tells me the GOP will prevail 51-49 because of the political climate, issues and midterm swing. That may be my natural optimism, but then again, it's tempered by my Norwegian heritage. Key races are still up in the air. The next 4 weeks will be rocky, and Nov. 8 a long night.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/will-the-senate-turn-red-in-november-election-midterms-gop-democrats-approval-rating-polls-inflation-crime-race-voters-house-11664999274?mod=hp_opin_pos_5#cxrecs_s
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Here is a fun election projection app in 538.com. You can project the winners in each Senate race and see how it would change control of the Senate.

Looks like it is coming down to Nev, Georgia and Penn. If 2 of these win, Rs control.
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This is from Karl Rove in WSJ today. His best guess as of today is 51-49 Republican

Will the GOP Win the Senate in the 2022 Midterms?
Republicans are defending more seats, but races are turning in their favor.
(Last paragraph)
The three most plausible scenarios are a 50-50 Senate, 51-49 Republican or 51-49 Democrat. A 52-48 Senate either way is possible but unlikely. My gut tells me the GOP will prevail 51-49 because of the political climate, issues and midterm swing. That may be my natural optimism, but then again, it's tempered by my Norwegian heritage. Key races are still up in the air. The next 4 weeks will be rocky, and Nov. 8 a long night.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/will-the-senate-turn-red-in-november-election-midterms-gop-democrats-approval-rating-polls-inflation-crime-race-voters-house-11664999274?mod=hp_opin_pos_5#cxrecs_s

That's what I predicted here last month when we started talking on this issue - 51-49.

and it is a minimum. IF momentum continues and IF polling is missing a big silent majority, the potential upside is 56-44.

No question momentum will continue, so I'm thinking 52-48 might be more likely than 51-49. If that silent majority does exist and it shows up......then we're going to see some blue states get red Senators.
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Im still sticking with 53-47. I just dont think Oz wins.
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