Ukraine invaded by Putin

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Redbrickbear
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Cobretti said:


Now that is a war crime.
Cobretti
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FLBear5630
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Cobretti said:




Can they get them there in time,?
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timetraveler said:

While you need special equipment to connect to Space X I think it will prove to be amazing over the coming weeks. Everyone doesn't need an adapter you just need to them spread out and essentially give free wifi to entire areas that can't be disconnected.
I've got it. It's basic and easily installed. I don't know what they're doing for distribution or if/how alternative equipment can be used, but surely someone has got that on the front burner.
HuMcK
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FLBear5630
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HuMcK said:





Within an hour! That can do something if they can keep them flying.
Redbrickbear
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Apparently they have about 12 Ukrainian brigades surrounded in the East.
ATL Bear
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Redbrickbear said:

Apparently they have about 12 Ukrainian brigades surrounded in the East.

12 Brigades? That's 30-60,000 soldiers, and a good chunk of their forces.
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ATL Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

Apparently they have about 12 Ukrainian brigades surrounded in the East.

12 Brigades? That's 30-60,000 soldiers, and a good chunk of their forces.


So it's being reported.

But I mean who knows.

So much disinformation going on right now by both sides.
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Canada2017
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Cobretti said:


Belarus has no choice but to do so .

That small 'country' is little more than a Russian military reservation .

Russia has always used Belarus as a forward attack base in any potential war with NATO.
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Canada2017 said:

Cobretti said:


Belarus has no choice but to do so .

That small 'country' is little more than a Russian military reservation .

Russia has always used Belarus as a forward attack base in any potential war with NATO.
Lukashenko predates Putin. He's as much a dictator as him.

Here's your no fly zone target.
Canada2017
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ATL Bear said:

Canada2017 said:

Cobretti said:


Belarus has no choice but to do so .

That small 'country' is little more than a Russian military reservation .

Russia has always used Belarus as a forward attack base in any potential war with NATO.
Lukashenko predates Putin. He's as much a dictator as him.

Here's your no fly zone target.
Lukashenko does predate Putin ....yet owes his position ( and probably his very existence ) to Putin .

Any no fly zone expands to war within weeks .




So unless one is willing to risk 300- 1000 hydrogen bombs devasting the United States ....all in the name of Ukrainian independence ........lets not get involved militarily .

Instead ......dramatically tighten up the ridiculous loopholes currently in place with the sanctions . Beginning with US imports of Russian oil.
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Canada2017 said:

ATL Bear said:

Canada2017 said:

Cobretti said:


Belarus has no choice but to do so .

That small 'country' is little more than a Russian military reservation .

Russia has always used Belarus as a forward attack base in any potential war with NATO.
Lukashenko predates Putin. He's as much a dictator as him.

Here's your no fly zone target.
Lukashenko does predate Putin ....yet owes his position ( and probably his very existence ) to Putin .

Any no fly zone expands to war within weeks .




So unless one is willing to risk 300- 1000 hydrogen bombs devasting the United States ....all in the name of Ukrainian independence ........lets not get involved militarily .

Instead ......dramatically tighten up the ridiculous loopholes currently in place with the sanctions . Beginning with US imports of Russian oil.


After the first 100 landed they decided to go with another 900 just to make sure they'd die as well from starvation a bit later.
Redbrickbear
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Cobretti said:




Honestly I thought Belarusian troops were already fighting with the Russians in Ukraine.

Guess that was fog of war misinformation at the time.
Wrecks Quan Dough
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Canada2017 said:

ATL Bear said:

Canada2017 said:

Cobretti said:


Belarus has no choice but to do so .

That small 'country' is little more than a Russian military reservation .

Russia has always used Belarus as a forward attack base in any potential war with NATO.
Lukashenko predates Putin. He's as much a dictator as him.

Here's your no fly zone target.
Lukashenko does predate Putin ....yet owes his position ( and probably his very existence ) to Putin .


So unless one is willing to risk 300- 1000 hydrogen bombs devasting the United States ....all in the name of Ukrainian independence ........lets not get involved militarily .




Your calculus assumes that the President has a clue about what is going on. Worse, Putin may be in only marginally better shape than Slayer of Corn Pop.
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Amal Shuq-Up said:

Canada2017 said:

ATL Bear said:

Canada2017 said:

Cobretti said:


Belarus has no choice but to do so .

That small 'country' is little more than a Russian military reservation .

Russia has always used Belarus as a forward attack base in any potential war with NATO.
Lukashenko predates Putin. He's as much a dictator as him.

Here's your no fly zone target.
Lukashenko does predate Putin ....yet owes his position ( and probably his very existence ) to Putin .


So unless one is willing to risk 300- 1000 hydrogen bombs devasting the United States ....all in the name of Ukrainian independence ........lets not get involved militarily .




Your calculus assumes that the President has a clue about what is going on. Worse, Putin may be in only marginally better shape than Slayer of Corn Pop.
By all accounts Putin is a devoted fitness fanatic.

He has been quoted many times as saying the dissolution of the Soviet Union was the worst thing that ever happened to Russia .

Even worse than the deaths of 25-30 million Russians during WW2 .

In addition Putin has stated that a planet without a strong Russia means very little to him .

This thug is exceptionally dangerous .


So the question remains ...... is Ukraine worth a nuclear war ?

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Canada2017 said:

Amal Shuq-Up said:

Canada2017 said:

ATL Bear said:

Canada2017 said:

Cobretti said:


Belarus has no choice but to do so .

That small 'country' is little more than a Russian military reservation .

Russia has always used Belarus as a forward attack base in any potential war with NATO.
Lukashenko predates Putin. He's as much a dictator as him.

Here's your no fly zone target.
Lukashenko does predate Putin ....yet owes his position ( and probably his very existence ) to Putin .


So unless one is willing to risk 300- 1000 hydrogen bombs devasting the United States ....all in the name of Ukrainian independence ........lets not get involved militarily .




Your calculus assumes that the President has a clue about what is going on. Worse, Putin may be in only marginally better shape than Slayer of Corn Pop.
By all accounts Putin is a devoted fitness fanatic.





That doesn't save the brain. No telling what he exposed to during his time with the KGB.
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Canada2017 said:

Amal Shuq-Up said:

Canada2017 said:

ATL Bear said:

Canada2017 said:

Cobretti said:


Belarus has no choice but to do so .

That small 'country' is little more than a Russian military reservation .

Russia has always used Belarus as a forward attack base in any potential war with NATO.
Lukashenko predates Putin. He's as much a dictator as him.

Here's your no fly zone target.
Lukashenko does predate Putin ....yet owes his position ( and probably his very existence ) to Putin .


So unless one is willing to risk 300- 1000 hydrogen bombs devasting the United States ....all in the name of Ukrainian independence ........lets not get involved militarily .




Your calculus assumes that the President has a clue about what is going on. Worse, Putin may be in only marginally better shape than Slayer of Corn Pop.
By all accounts Putin is a devoted fitness fanatic.

He has been quoted many times as saying the dissolution of the Soviet Union was the worst thing that ever happened to Russia .

Even worse than the deaths of 25-30 million Russians during WW2 .

In addition Putin has stated that a planet without a strong Russia means very little to him .

This thug is exceptionally dangerous .


So the question remains ...... is Ukraine worth a nuclear war ?


You should write political polls. Terrible question
ATL Bear
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Canada2017 said:

ATL Bear said:

Canada2017 said:

Cobretti said:


Belarus has no choice but to do so .

That small 'country' is little more than a Russian military reservation .

Russia has always used Belarus as a forward attack base in any potential war with NATO.
Lukashenko predates Putin. He's as much a dictator as him.

Here's your no fly zone target.
Lukashenko does predate Putin ....yet owes his position ( and probably his very existence ) to Putin .

Any no fly zone expands to war within weeks .




So unless one is willing to risk 300- 1000 hydrogen bombs devasting the United States ....all in the name of Ukrainian independence ........lets not get involved militarily .

Instead ......dramatically tighten up the ridiculous loopholes currently in place with the sanctions . Beginning with US imports of Russian oil.
If you believe that Putin is willing to blow up the world over Ukraine or Belarus, then it makes it an even greater imperative to escalate and remove him. And I'm someone who doesn't want to lose American lives over Ukraine. That's not the actions of a thug or bully or tyrant. That's madman level thinking, and sanctions of any sort would be meaningless. I don't believe him that irrational, much less all the people around him who would be involved in such a tragic and devastating decision to initiate nuclear war against every Western nuclear arsenal.
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Canada2017 said:

Amal Shuq-Up said:

Canada2017 said:

ATL Bear said:

Canada2017 said:

Cobretti said:


Belarus has no choice but to do so .

That small 'country' is little more than a Russian military reservation .

Russia has always used Belarus as a forward attack base in any potential war with NATO.
Lukashenko predates Putin. He's as much a dictator as him.

Here's your no fly zone target.
Lukashenko does predate Putin ....yet owes his position ( and probably his very existence ) to Putin .


So unless one is willing to risk 300- 1000 hydrogen bombs devasting the United States ....all in the name of Ukrainian independence ........lets not get involved militarily .




Your calculus assumes that the President has a clue about what is going on. Worse, Putin may be in only marginally better shape than Slayer of Corn Pop.
By all accounts Putin is a devoted fitness fanatic.

He has been quoted many times as saying the dissolution of the Soviet Union was the worst thing that ever happened to Russia .

Even worse than the deaths of 25-30 million Russians during WW2 .

In addition Putin has stated that a planet without a strong Russia means very little to him .

This thug is exceptionally dangerous .


So the question remains ...... is Ukraine worth a nuclear war ?




If we are talking not standing up to Putin to avoid nuclear, I got news for you. Giving him Ukraine will not stop his escalating and asking for more. It will be the Baltics next, Romania, Poland l, sanctions stopped, etc. He will take what we are willing give him and if he figures threat of nuclear is what does it, he will threaten more. I understand your fear, but giving him what he wants and playing sanctions game is a more dangerous route. In my Jughead opinion.
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ATL Bear said:

Canada2017 said:

ATL Bear said:

Canada2017 said:

Cobretti said:


Belarus has no choice but to do so .

That small 'country' is little more than a Russian military reservation .

Russia has always used Belarus as a forward attack base in any potential war with NATO.
Lukashenko predates Putin. He's as much a dictator as him.

Here's your no fly zone target.
Lukashenko does predate Putin ....yet owes his position ( and probably his very existence ) to Putin .

Any no fly zone expands to war within weeks .




So unless one is willing to risk 300- 1000 hydrogen bombs devasting the United States ....all in the name of Ukrainian independence ........lets not get involved militarily .

Instead ......dramatically tighten up the ridiculous loopholes currently in place with the sanctions . Beginning with US imports of Russian oil.
If you believe that Putin is willing to blow up the world over Ukraine or Belarus, then it makes it an even greater imperative to escalate and remove him. And I'm someone who doesn't want to lose American lives over Ukraine. That's not the actions of a thug or bully or tyrant. That's madman level thinking, and sanctions of any sort would be meaningless. I don't believe him that irrational, much less all the people around him who would be involved in such a tragic and devastating decision to initiate nuclear war against every Western nuclear arsenal.


I don't believe Putin is a madman .

Believe he is in possession of his mental faculties to a far greater degree than our current president of the United States. Which of course is one reason Putin is attacking now .

Love Trump or hate him …..his missile strikes against Syria sent Putin a message in a language he understood..

However Putin is obviously a ruthless megalomaniac ; surrounded for many years by frightened sycophants.

Believing in a Stalin like use of power and force .

In my opinion Putin would use tactical nuclear weapons .

Whether or not he would escalate their use to a level guaranteed to kill billions of people ……I doubt anyone really knows .

Least of all our muddled commander in chief .

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Maybe we should tell Biden that old Vlad's Delaware name is Pootie Pop.

BTW, did Bush ever tell us what Putins soul looked like when he spied it while looking into the Ruskies eyes?
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Amal Shuq-Up said:

Maybe we should tell Biden that old Vlad's Delaware name is Pootie Pop.

BTW, did Bush ever tell us what Putins soul looked like when he spied it while looking into the Ruskies eyes?
I'm pretty sure that 21 years ago, no one could have predicted that Putin would invade Ukraine.
Maybe you should be asking your questions of the current administration.... but I would say you should stick to something more relevant like 21 weeks ago or 21 months ago... trying to go back 21 years ago and hold someone accountable for those remarks... that seems like a stretch.
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ShooterTX said:

Amal Shuq-Up said:

Maybe we should tell Biden that old Vlad's Delaware name is Pootie Pop.

BTW, did Bush ever tell us what Putins soul looked like when he spied it while looking into the Ruskies eyes?
I'm pretty sure that 21 years ago, no one could have predicted that Putin would invade Ukraine.
Maybe you should be asking your questions of the current administration.... but I would say you should stick to something more relevant like 21 weeks ago or 21 months ago... trying to go back 21 years ago and hold someone accountable for those remarks... that seems like a stretch.


I would like to know what Bush saw when he saw the KGB man's soul. I voted for W twice. I am sad over what he has become.
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Canada2017 said:

ATL Bear said:

Canada2017 said:

Cobretti said:


Belarus has no choice but to do so .

That small 'country' is little more than a Russian military reservation .

Russia has always used Belarus as a forward attack base in any potential war with NATO.
Lukashenko predates Putin. He's as much a dictator as him.

Here's your no fly zone target.
Lukashenko does predate Putin ....yet owes his position ( and probably his very existence ) to Putin .

Any no fly zone expands to war within weeks .




So unless one is willing to risk 300- 1000 hydrogen bombs devasting the United States ....all in the name of Ukrainian independence ........lets not get involved militarily .

Instead ......dramatically tighten up the ridiculous loopholes currently in place with the sanctions . Beginning with US imports of Russian oil.
If we stop Russian imports of oil, you are looking at $150 Oil. Great for my business, but bad for our economy and even worse for Europe. That is why they didn't include energy in the latest sanctions.
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Canada2017
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J.R. said:

Canada2017 said:

ATL Bear said:

Canada2017 said:

Cobretti said:


Belarus has no choice but to do so .

That small 'country' is little more than a Russian military reservation .

Russia has always used Belarus as a forward attack base in any potential war with NATO.
Lukashenko predates Putin. He's as much a dictator as him.

Here's your no fly zone target.
Lukashenko does predate Putin ....yet owes his position ( and probably his very existence ) to Putin .

Any no fly zone expands to war within weeks .




So unless one is willing to risk 300- 1000 hydrogen bombs devasting the United States ....all in the name of Ukrainian independence ........lets not get involved militarily .

Instead ......dramatically tighten up the ridiculous loopholes currently in place with the sanctions . Beginning with US imports of Russian oil.
If we stop Russian imports of oil, you are looking at $150 Oil. Great for my business, but bad for our economy and even worse for Europe. That is why they didn't include energy in the latest sanctions.
Understood

But in combination with the other more legitimate sanctions....it would hurt the Russians far worse.

So are we serious about stopping Putin's obvious trend of expansionism .....or are we just kidding ourselves while playing temporary virtue signaling games ?

With the potential of stumbling into WW3 if Putin attacks a NATO ally next .
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Nuclear, coal, LNG: 'no taboos' in Germany's energy about-face


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BERLIN, Feb 27 (Reuters) - Germany signalled a U-turn in key energy policies on Sunday, floating the possibility of extending the life-spans of coal and even nuclear plants to cut dependency on Russian gas, part of a broad political rethink following Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.

Europe's top economy has been under pressure from other Western nations to become less dependent on Russian gas, but its plans to phase out coal-fired power plants by 2030 and to shut its nuclear power plants by end-2022 have left it with few options.


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"The events of the past few days have shown us that responsible, forward-looking energy policy is decisive not only for our economy and the environment. It is also decisive for our security," Scholz told lawmakers in a special Bundestag session called to address the Ukraine crisis.
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Canada2017 said:

J.R. said:

Canada2017 said:

ATL Bear said:

Canada2017 said:

Cobretti said:


Belarus has no choice but to do so .

That small 'country' is little more than a Russian military reservation .

Russia has always used Belarus as a forward attack base in any potential war with NATO.
Lukashenko predates Putin. He's as much a dictator as him.

Here's your no fly zone target.
Lukashenko does predate Putin ....yet owes his position ( and probably his very existence ) to Putin .

Any no fly zone expands to war within weeks .




So unless one is willing to risk 300- 1000 hydrogen bombs devasting the United States ....all in the name of Ukrainian independence ........lets not get involved militarily .

Instead ......dramatically tighten up the ridiculous loopholes currently in place with the sanctions . Beginning with US imports of Russian oil.
If we stop Russian imports of oil, you are looking at $150 Oil. Great for my business, but bad for our economy and even worse for Europe. That is why they didn't include energy in the latest sanctions.
Understood

But in combination with the other more legitimate sanctions....it would hurt the Russians far worse.

So are we serious about stopping Putin's obvious trend of expansionism .....or are we just kidding ourselves while playing temporary virtue signaling games ?

With the potential of stumbling into WW3 if Putin attacks a NATO ally next .
The ruble has already collapsed, Russian interest rates are soaring and they had to close their market. Maybe we should see if the steps we have taken are enough before we shoot ourself in the foot?
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WSJ: Car Parts, Chips, Sunflower Oil: War in Ukraine Threatens New Shortages

The Russian invasion has shut down auto factories, hit steel supplies and severed transportation routes. Commodity prices are soaring for sunflower oil, natural gas and wheat

Bloomberg: Commodities From Metals to Wheat Rally as Russia Faces Isolation

"Barring a breakthrough in peace negotiations, we believe this leaves commodity prices having to rally sharply as we see demand destruction as now the only significant remaining balancing mechanism," Goldman Sachs Group Inc. wrote in an emailed note.

As the war intensifies, the risk of logistical turmoil is rising fast across commodities markets, with insurers either refusing to offer cover for vessels sailing into the Black Sea, or demanding huge premiums to do so. Turkey was the biggest single buyer of Russian aluminum in 2020, ahead of China and Japan, according to UN Comtrade data.

In grains markets, ports in Ukraine are closed and traders say they're staying away from Russian grain. Some exporters can't agree to contracts at the moment because they don't know if they will be able to fulfill them as the situation evolves, Bloomberg reported.

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I do not see Russia stopping with Ukraine. i dont think Ukraine is our fight but i believe the neighboring Baltic NATO countries will need help. wouldnt surprise me at all to see China attempt to get Taiwan at the same time.

MSM loves a war to cover. Not sure how much we hear from the rag news agency is true. But probably not far off
 
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