4th and Inches said:J.B.Katz said:
After reading some of these comments I have drawn this conclusion,
Jesus Christ could come back to earth, take off his sandals and try to beat some sense into people about Trump, and it wouldn't make a bit of difference.but your ability to draw conclusions needs work.
Wangchung said:
Sorry, you leftist cultists cried "wolf" far too many times. You simply have no credibility left to sway anyone. Hell, y'all lie so much you have to get someone else to call the dogs to supper.
You also had Trump planning to lead a mob to the capital to disrupt a Congressional proceeding.Sam Lowry said:
If Trump knew there was likely to be violence, that's relevant to his intentions when he sent the crowd to the Capitol. Plus you've got the witness tampering, which is new information.
If there are that many people still voting for Trump, it's not Oso's mental health that needs worrying about.Oldbear83 said:I don't worry about bad comedy. You may want to worry about your mental health if/when Trump is elected again in 2024.Osodecentx said:Oldbear83 said:Did you get a t shirt or just the bumper sticker, when you joined Team Lynch Trump?Osodecentx said:I think the hearings are informing some open minded Trump voters. What will come out today?Oldbear83 said:
These "hearings" will have an effect, all right. Just not the way Sam, Oso, C Jordan and their ilk think will happen.
From WaPo
Cassidy Hutchinson, a top aide to Mark Meadows when he was White House chief of staff in the Trump administration, is expected to testify Tuesday at the latest hearing by the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection. Hutchinson had frequent access to Meadows and President Donald Trump in the days before and after the attack on the U.S. Capitol and previously provided hours of closed-door testimony to the panel.
Listening to the hearing I see why you're so worried
Yep. Five years of "we're gonna get that wascally Twump THIS time! Huhuhuhuh"C. Jordan said:Wangchung said:
Sorry, you leftist cultists cried "wolf" far too many times. You simply have no credibility left to sway anyone. Hell, y'all lie so much you have to get someone else to call the dogs to supper.
funny, was thinking that about alot of her "testimony".C. Jordan said:This is what Trump said, but we don't know it to be true and we don't know her side of the story.4th and Inches said:
Not defending Trump here- just passing the info.. Hurchinson just changed lawyers so now you are getting this new info. She also requested to be on the Trump team that transitioned to Florida from white house in 2020 but was rejected.
In 2019 Pelosi said:
"I am a longtime Member of the Ethics Committee, and, there, we just followed the facts...No hearsay...All objective. "
Some of what yall heard today was hearsay and no chance of cross or corroboration. Take it for what it is..
At least it was new and semi interesting
Plus, she testified under oath and Trump never will.
great, now that you have tainted/biased the jury pool.. good luck with thatC. Jordan said:You also had Trump planning to lead a mob to the capital to disrupt a Congressional proceeding.Sam Lowry said:
If Trump knew there was likely to be violence, that's relevant to his intentions when he sent the crowd to the Capitol. Plus you've got the witness tampering, which is new information.
Cipalone was worried about that. But Trump planned to do it nonetheless.
The fact that he was stopped doesn't save him from a criminal conspiracy charge.
Trump himself will probably skate, but it appears Rudy, Meadows, Eastman, and others are in real trouble.
At the very least, today's testimony shows that the attack on the capital wasn't spontaneous, but planned. Probably coordinated by Rudy and others in the Trump gang.
This is all you:Wangchung said:Yep. Five years of "we're gonna get that wascally Twump THIS time! Huhuhuhuh"C. Jordan said:Wangchung said:
Sorry, you leftist cultists cried "wolf" far too many times. You simply have no credibility left to sway anyone. Hell, y'all lie so much you have to get someone else to call the dogs to supper.
No. I assure you that there are a few people out there who never visit this thread.4th and Inches said:great, now that you have tainted/biased the jury pool.. good luck with thatC. Jordan said:You also had Trump planning to lead a mob to the capital to disrupt a Congressional proceeding.Sam Lowry said:
If Trump knew there was likely to be violence, that's relevant to his intentions when he sent the crowd to the Capitol. Plus you've got the witness tampering, which is new information.
Cipalone was worried about that. But Trump planned to do it nonetheless.
The fact that he was stopped doesn't save him from a criminal conspiracy charge.
Trump himself will probably skate, but it appears Rudy, Meadows, Eastman, and others are in real trouble.
At the very least, today's testimony shows that the attack on the capital wasn't spontaneous, but planned. Probably coordinated by Rudy and others in the Trump gang.
One of the great statements of the hearing.fubar said:
"I say this to my Republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible. There will come a day when Donald Trump is gone, but your dishonor will remain."
Figured this was worth repeating.
C. Jordan said:This is all you:Wangchung said:Yep. Five years of "we're gonna get that wascally Twump THIS time! Huhuhuhuh"C. Jordan said:Wangchung said:
Sorry, you leftist cultists cried "wolf" far too many times. You simply have no credibility left to sway anyone. Hell, y'all lie so much you have to get someone else to call the dogs to supper.
A fact-finding mission in Washington, D.C.? That is cute.C. Jordan said:This is a Congressional fact-finding missionOsodecentx said:Committee found lots of facts todayDoc Holliday said:There are no rules of evidence, and no one is representing/asking questions on behalf of the accused. McCarthy's decisionOsodecentx said:Don't you think the folks who were in the conversations with the principals will have to testify? She's naming names of those in the conversations.Doc Holliday said:
Unbelievable Third party hearsay lol
That's how badly these hearings are going for dems.Cassidy Hutchinson testifies that she was told that as then-President Donald Trump was being driven back to the White House after the Jan. 6 rally that he demanded to be taken to the Capitol and tried to grab the steering wheel from a Secret Service agent. https://t.co/JefVhEsY0b pic.twitter.com/uUyQcnSlLG
— The Associated Press (@AP) June 28, 2022
This is a fact finding committee, not a jury trial
This is not fact finding lmao It sure is fact finding. And Trump isn't lhao
No defense attorneys, no cross examination, and no defense witnesses to rebut. McCarthy's decision. That's why Trump is mad at McCarthy .. again
Sam Lowry said:
If Trump knew there was likely to be violence, that's relevant to his intentions when he sent the crowd to the Capitol. Plus you've got the new information about witness tampering.
um, that isnt the beast.. somebodys hearsay testimony doesnt line up.. oopsC. Jordan said:This is all you:Wangchung said:Yep. Five years of "we're gonna get that wascally Twump THIS time! Huhuhuhuh"C. Jordan said:Wangchung said:
Sorry, you leftist cultists cried "wolf" far too many times. You simply have no credibility left to sway anyone. Hell, y'all lie so much you have to get someone else to call the dogs to supper.
Iti's probably too much to hope for that this is sarcastic?chriscbear said:
God used Donald Trump etc to get Roe v Wade overturned. Praise God. He moves in mysterious ways. Amen. Jan 6 hearings waste of time and pure politics.
Trump told the capital police to turn off metal detectors and stand down and be unprepared for violence? Is that what you are saying?Guy Noir said:Sam Lowry said:
If Trump knew there was likely to be violence, that's relevant to his intentions when he sent the crowd to the Capitol. Plus you've got the new information about witness tampering.
Good point.
Plus; Trump ordered the turning off of the metal scanners on Jan 6 in spite of reports that people that wanted to get into the crowd were reported to be carrying firearms.
Plus:. The Capitol police were not ready for the protest at the Capital Building in spite of indicators that a serious protest was going to happen.
Nope.Osodecentx said:Committee found lots of facts todayDoc Holliday said:There are no rules of evidence, and no one is representing/asking questions on behalf of the accused. McCarthy's decisionOsodecentx said:Don't you think the folks who were in the conversations with the principals will have to testify? She's naming names of those in the conversations.Doc Holliday said:
Unbelievable Third party hearsay lol
That's how badly these hearings are going for dems.Cassidy Hutchinson testifies that she was told that as then-President Donald Trump was being driven back to the White House after the Jan. 6 rally that he demanded to be taken to the Capitol and tried to grab the steering wheel from a Secret Service agent. https://t.co/JefVhEsY0b pic.twitter.com/uUyQcnSlLG
— The Associated Press (@AP) June 28, 2022
This is a fact finding committee, not a jury trial
This is not fact finding lmao It sure is fact finding. And Trump isn't lhao
No defense attorneys, no cross examination, and no defense witnesses to rebut. McCarthy's decision. That's why Trump is mad at McCarthy .. again
i cant wait to hear how they use it to aid in legislative process..C. Jordan said:They did. Even if you take out the parts that could be considered "hearsay," it was powerful.Osodecentx said:Committee found lots of facts todayDoc Holliday said:There are no rules of evidence, and no one is representing/asking questions on behalf of the accused. McCarthy's decisionOsodecentx said:Don't you think the folks who were in the conversations with the principals will have to testify? She's naming names of those in the conversations.Doc Holliday said:
Unbelievable Third party hearsay lol
That's how badly these hearings are going for dems.Cassidy Hutchinson testifies that she was told that as then-President Donald Trump was being driven back to the White House after the Jan. 6 rally that he demanded to be taken to the Capitol and tried to grab the steering wheel from a Secret Service agent. https://t.co/JefVhEsY0b pic.twitter.com/uUyQcnSlLG
— The Associated Press (@AP) June 28, 2022
This is a fact finding committee, not a jury trial
This is not fact finding lmao It sure is fact finding. And Trump isn't lhao
No defense attorneys, no cross examination, and no defense witnesses to rebut. McCarthy's decision. That's why Trump is mad at McCarthy .. again
Besides, "hearsay" is irrelevant here. This is a Congressional fact-finding mission, not a criminal proceeding.
If you listened to Hutchinson's testimony, Trump repeatedly said, "They aren't going to hurt me."4th and Inches said:Trump told the capital police to turn off metal detectors and stand down and be unprepared for violence? Is that what you are saying?Guy Noir said:Sam Lowry said:
If Trump knew there was likely to be violence, that's relevant to his intentions when he sent the crowd to the Capitol. Plus you've got the new information about witness tampering.
Good point.
Plus; Trump ordered the turning off of the metal scanners on Jan 6 in spite of reports that people that wanted to get into the crowd were reported to be carrying firearms.
Plus:. The Capitol police were not ready for the protest at the Capital Building in spite of indicators that a serious protest was going to happen.
real courts dont work like political theater courts.. much like the nonsense cases Trump had post election, I see them struggle post hearings against a decent defense lawyer with any case arising from thisC. Jordan said:No. I assure you that there are a few people out there who never visit this thread.4th and Inches said:great, now that you have tainted/biased the jury pool.. good luck with thatC. Jordan said:You also had Trump planning to lead a mob to the capital to disrupt a Congressional proceeding.Sam Lowry said:
If Trump knew there was likely to be violence, that's relevant to his intentions when he sent the crowd to the Capitol. Plus you've got the witness tampering, which is new information.
Cipalone was worried about that. But Trump planned to do it nonetheless.
The fact that he was stopped doesn't save him from a criminal conspiracy charge.
Trump himself will probably skate, but it appears Rudy, Meadows, Eastman, and others are in real trouble.
At the very least, today's testimony shows that the attack on the capital wasn't spontaneous, but planned. Probably coordinated by Rudy and others in the Trump gang.
LOL!
And the gaslighting Trump's awful behavior away begins.Harrison Bergeron said:
The grabbing the steering wheel hearsay conspiracy is even more stupid than the Capitol tours conspiracy. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to make one phone all and understand Secret Service protocols. Hint: president's don't ride in the front seat. I will give Shifty credit: it is clever because he knows the SS will not comment so she can make all the crazy claims she wants and she won't be refuted.
Back when we had actual journalists, one would have made the call and figured out it's not possible. If it were a Democrat, the story would be:
"A woman who was passed over for a job with former president Obama alleged X ... we spoke to our Mr. Expert, who said that that was not possible because of Y. There are allegations that said woman had a grudge against President Obama for passing her over for a promised position with his foundation."
Gaslight, huh?J.B.Katz said:And the gaslighting Trump's awful behavior away begins.Harrison Bergeron said:
The grabbing the steering wheel hearsay conspiracy is even more stupid than the Capitol tours conspiracy. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to make one phone all and understand Secret Service protocols. Hint: president's don't ride in the front seat. I will give Shifty credit: it is clever because he knows the SS will not comment so she can make all the crazy claims she wants and she won't be refuted.
Back when we had actual journalists, one would have made the call and figured out it's not possible. If it were a Democrat, the story would be:
"A woman who was passed over for a job with former president Obama alleged X ... we spoke to our Mr. Expert, who said that that was not possible because of Y. There are allegations that said woman had a grudge against President Obama for passing her over for a promised position with his foundation."
No, but apparently traffic on Pennsylvania Ave. was when Trump reached over the back seat from the very back of the limo and tried to grab the steering wheel.ATL Bear said:
At least we know democracy was never in danger, and it wasn't an insurrection.
the video of the vehicle they presented wasnt even the beast as testified that he was in..Harrison Bergeron said:
The grabbing the steering wheel hearsay conspiracy is even more stupid than the Capitol tours conspiracy. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to make one phone all and understand Secret Service protocols. Hint: president's don't ride in the front seat. I will give Shifty credit: it is clever because he knows the SS will not comment so she can make all the crazy claims she wants and she won't be refuted.
Democracy is still in danger. Republicans have promoted the Big Lie knowing it wasn't true to undermine Biden's legimacy. The honest conservatives on this forum acknowledge Biden won the election. They're in the minority.ATL Bear said:
At least we know democracy was never in danger, and it wasn't an insurrection.
whitetrash said:No, but apparently traffic on Pennsylvania Ave. was when Trump reached over the back seat from the very back of the limo and tried to grab the steering wheel.ATL Bear said:
At least we know democracy was never in danger, and it wasn't an insurrection.
Translation: I cannot figure out why--after almost double-digit inflation, foreign policy disaster after disaster, and our southern border leaking like a colander--the American people are going to pour the Democrats out this November.J.B.Katz said:Democracy is still in danger.ATL Bear said:
At least we know democracy was never in danger, and it wasn't an insurrection.
No, it isn't. You know where democracy is in danger? Places like Lebanon.J.B.Katz said:Democracy is still in danger. Republicans have promoted the Big Lie knowing it wasn't true to undermine Biden's legimacy.ATL Bear said:
At least we know democracy was never in danger, and it wasn't an insurrection.
They've also undermined the legitmacy of SCOTUS.
Trump still controlls the party. Idiots like Mayra Florez are joining as Trump loyalists rather than committed public servants. Many states are trying to get the state assemblies to elect the president instead of the people. At least one person on this forum thinks that's a great idea.
If you are confident your policies will win elections, you don't try to rig the vote.
Republicans are trying to rig the vote in every state where that's possible. Democrats have done some gerrymandering, too, but Republicans are much more successful.
We have lots of rural states dictating our national policy. That's not sustainable. Lots of people who never imagined civil war are now finding it difficult to see a future where that doesn't happen, because people are simply not going to capitulate to minority rule, especially by religious fascists.
That's where we are, and Trump Republicans got us here. Cheney is trying to pull us back. I'm not optimistic.
Inciting a riot. Planning a coup on our democracy, witness tampering, tax evasion, tax fraud to say the least!RMF5630 said:Ok, with what charge? What is chargeable here that Trump or any of his staff did? If anyone, maybe Giuliani. Problem there is Giuliani was his attorney. If Trump was acting under attorney's advice, real hard to get intent. Come on, what is chargeable? How was Democracy in peril?? Besides just saying it.J.R. said:That mfer should go to jail.RMF5630 said:Ok, enough of this crap. Charge the guy. If you have evidence he broke the law, charge him. This constant droning of allegations and innuendo is ridiculous.J.B.Katz said:NEW: Jan. 6 committee vice chair Liz Cheney shows that witnesses have been receiving mafia-style calls and messages from people close to Trump telling them the former president knows they will remain “loyal” in depositions. Attempted witness tampering.
— Hugo Lowell (@hugolowell) June 28, 2022
Give us a charge and how you prove it...
