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Sorry, you leftist cultists cried "wolf" far too many times. You simply have no credibility left to sway anyone. Hell, y'all lie so much you have to get someone else to call the dogs to supper.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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4th and Inches said:

J.B.Katz said:

After reading some of these comments I have drawn this conclusion,

Jesus Christ could come back to earth, take off his sandals and try to beat some sense into people about Trump, and it wouldn't make a bit of difference.
but your ability to draw conclusions needs work.
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If Trump knew there was likely to be violence, that's relevant to his intentions when he sent the crowd to the Capitol. Plus you've got the new information about witness tampering.
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Wangchung said:

Sorry, you leftist cultists cried "wolf" far too many times. You simply have no credibility left to sway anyone. Hell, y'all lie so much you have to get someone else to call the dogs to supper.
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Sam Lowry said:

If Trump knew there was likely to be violence, that's relevant to his intentions when he sent the crowd to the Capitol. Plus you've got the witness tampering, which is new information.
You also had Trump planning to lead a mob to the capital to disrupt a Congressional proceeding.

Cipalone was worried about that. But Trump planned to do it nonetheless.

The fact that he was stopped doesn't save him from a criminal conspiracy charge.

Trump himself will probably skate, but it appears Rudy, Meadows, Eastman, and others are in real trouble.

At the very least, today's testimony shows that the attack on the capital wasn't spontaneous, but planned. Probably coordinated by Rudy and others in the Trump gang.
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Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:


These "hearings" will have an effect, all right. Just not the way Sam, Oso, C Jordan and their ilk think will happen.
I think the hearings are informing some open minded Trump voters. What will come out today?

From WaPo
Cassidy Hutchinson, a top aide to Mark Meadows when he was White House chief of staff in the Trump administration, is expected to testify Tuesday at the latest hearing by the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection. Hutchinson had frequent access to Meadows and President Donald Trump in the days before and after the attack on the U.S. Capitol and previously provided hours of closed-door testimony to the panel.
Did you get a t shirt or just the bumper sticker, when you joined Team Lynch Trump?


Listening to the hearing I see why you're so worried
I don't worry about bad comedy. You may want to worry about your mental health if/when Trump is elected again in 2024.
If there are that many people still voting for Trump, it's not Oso's mental health that needs worrying about.
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C. Jordan said:

Wangchung said:

Sorry, you leftist cultists cried "wolf" far too many times. You simply have no credibility left to sway anyone. Hell, y'all lie so much you have to get someone else to call the dogs to supper.

Yep. Five years of "we're gonna get that wascally Twump THIS time! Huhuhuhuh"
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

"Jesus is Lord!"- random in the crowd
"You are at the wrong rally!" Kamala Harris' response
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C. Jordan said:

4th and Inches said:

Not defending Trump here- just passing the info.. Hurchinson just changed lawyers so now you are getting this new info. She also requested to be on the Trump team that transitioned to Florida from white house in 2020 but was rejected.

In 2019 Pelosi said:

"I am a longtime Member of the Ethics Committee, and, there, we just followed the facts...No hearsay...All objective. "

Some of what yall heard today was hearsay and no chance of cross or corroboration. Take it for what it is..

At least it was new and semi interesting
This is what Trump said, but we don't know it to be true and we don't know her side of the story.

Plus, she testified under oath and Trump never will.
funny, was thinking that about alot of her "testimony".

Whoopty, testified under oath.. fauci perjured himself during congressional testimony and they did nothing. Several others have too but not important enough I guess. You think anybody on that committee cares if she just perjured herself? Nope..
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C. Jordan said:

Sam Lowry said:

If Trump knew there was likely to be violence, that's relevant to his intentions when he sent the crowd to the Capitol. Plus you've got the witness tampering, which is new information.
You also had Trump planning to lead a mob to the capital to disrupt a Congressional proceeding.

Cipalone was worried about that. But Trump planned to do it nonetheless.

The fact that he was stopped doesn't save him from a criminal conspiracy charge.

Trump himself will probably skate, but it appears Rudy, Meadows, Eastman, and others are in real trouble.

At the very least, today's testimony shows that the attack on the capital wasn't spontaneous, but planned. Probably coordinated by Rudy and others in the Trump gang.
great, now that you have tainted/biased the jury pool.. good luck with that
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Wangchung said:

C. Jordan said:

Wangchung said:

Sorry, you leftist cultists cried "wolf" far too many times. You simply have no credibility left to sway anyone. Hell, y'all lie so much you have to get someone else to call the dogs to supper.

Yep. Five years of "we're gonna get that wascally Twump THIS time! Huhuhuhuh"

This is all you:

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"I say this to my Republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible. There will come a day when Donald Trump is gone, but your dishonor will remain."

Figured this was worth repeating.
Gunter gleiben glauchen globen
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4th and Inches said:

C. Jordan said:

Sam Lowry said:

If Trump knew there was likely to be violence, that's relevant to his intentions when he sent the crowd to the Capitol. Plus you've got the witness tampering, which is new information.
You also had Trump planning to lead a mob to the capital to disrupt a Congressional proceeding.

Cipalone was worried about that. But Trump planned to do it nonetheless.

The fact that he was stopped doesn't save him from a criminal conspiracy charge.

Trump himself will probably skate, but it appears Rudy, Meadows, Eastman, and others are in real trouble.

At the very least, today's testimony shows that the attack on the capital wasn't spontaneous, but planned. Probably coordinated by Rudy and others in the Trump gang.
great, now that you have tainted/biased the jury pool.. good luck with that
No. I assure you that there are a few people out there who never visit this thread.

LOL!
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fubar said:

"I say this to my Republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible. There will come a day when Donald Trump is gone, but your dishonor will remain."

Figured this was worth repeating.
One of the great statements of the hearing.
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C. Jordan said:

Wangchung said:

C. Jordan said:

Wangchung said:

Sorry, you leftist cultists cried "wolf" far too many times. You simply have no credibility left to sway anyone. Hell, y'all lie so much you have to get someone else to call the dogs to supper.

Yep. Five years of "we're gonna get that wascally Twump THIS time! Huhuhuhuh"

This is all you:




True, if I could get the idiots on the left and the idiots on the right who refuse facts to finally shut up and use reason, I wouldn't be so miserable between you.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

"Jesus is Lord!"- random in the crowd
"You are at the wrong rally!" Kamala Harris' response
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God used Donald Trump etc to get Roe v Wade overturned. Praise God. He moves in mysterious ways. Amen. Jan 6 hearings waste of time and pure politics.
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C. Jordan said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Unbelievable Third party hearsay lol

That's how badly these hearings are going for dems.


Don't you think the folks who were in the conversations with the principals will have to testify? She's naming names of those in the conversations.

This is a fact finding committee, not a jury trial
There are no rules of evidence, and no one is representing/asking questions on behalf of the accused. McCarthy's decision

This is not fact finding lmao It sure is fact finding. And Trump isn't lhao

No defense attorneys, no cross examination, and no defense witnesses to rebut. McCarthy's decision. That's why Trump is mad at McCarthy .. again
Committee found lots of facts today
This is a Congressional fact-finding mission


A fact-finding mission in Washington, D.C.? That is cute.
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Sam Lowry said:

If Trump knew there was likely to be violence, that's relevant to his intentions when he sent the crowd to the Capitol. Plus you've got the new information about witness tampering.


Good point.
Plus; Trump ordered the turning off of the metal scanners on Jan 6 in spite of reports that people that wanted to get into the crowd were reported to be carrying firearms.

Plus:. The Capitol police were not ready for the protest at the Capital Building in spite of indicators that a serious protest was going to happen.
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C. Jordan said:

Wangchung said:

C. Jordan said:

Wangchung said:

Sorry, you leftist cultists cried "wolf" far too many times. You simply have no credibility left to sway anyone. Hell, y'all lie so much you have to get someone else to call the dogs to supper.

Yep. Five years of "we're gonna get that wascally Twump THIS time! Huhuhuhuh"

This is all you:


um, that isnt the beast.. somebodys hearsay testimony doesnt line up.. oops
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chriscbear said:

God used Donald Trump etc to get Roe v Wade overturned. Praise God. He moves in mysterious ways. Amen. Jan 6 hearings waste of time and pure politics.
Iti's probably too much to hope for that this is sarcastic?
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Guy Noir said:

Sam Lowry said:

If Trump knew there was likely to be violence, that's relevant to his intentions when he sent the crowd to the Capitol. Plus you've got the new information about witness tampering.


Good point.
Plus; Trump ordered the turning off of the metal scanners on Jan 6 in spite of reports that people that wanted to get into the crowd were reported to be carrying firearms.

Plus:. The Capitol police were not ready for the protest at the Capital Building in spite of indicators that a serious protest was going to happen.

Trump told the capital police to turn off metal detectors and stand down and be unprepared for violence? Is that what you are saying?
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Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Unbelievable Third party hearsay lol

That's how badly these hearings are going for dems.


Don't you think the folks who were in the conversations with the principals will have to testify? She's naming names of those in the conversations.

This is a fact finding committee, not a jury trial
There are no rules of evidence, and no one is representing/asking questions on behalf of the accused. McCarthy's decision

This is not fact finding lmao It sure is fact finding. And Trump isn't lhao

No defense attorneys, no cross examination, and no defense witnesses to rebut. McCarthy's decision. That's why Trump is mad at McCarthy .. again
Committee found lots of facts today
Nope.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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C. Jordan said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Unbelievable Third party hearsay lol

That's how badly these hearings are going for dems.


Don't you think the folks who were in the conversations with the principals will have to testify? She's naming names of those in the conversations.

This is a fact finding committee, not a jury trial
There are no rules of evidence, and no one is representing/asking questions on behalf of the accused. McCarthy's decision

This is not fact finding lmao It sure is fact finding. And Trump isn't lhao

No defense attorneys, no cross examination, and no defense witnesses to rebut. McCarthy's decision. That's why Trump is mad at McCarthy .. again
Committee found lots of facts today
They did. Even if you take out the parts that could be considered "hearsay," it was powerful.

Besides, "hearsay" is irrelevant here. This is a Congressional fact-finding mission, not a criminal proceeding.


i cant wait to hear how they use it to aid in legislative process..
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4th and Inches said:

Guy Noir said:

Sam Lowry said:

If Trump knew there was likely to be violence, that's relevant to his intentions when he sent the crowd to the Capitol. Plus you've got the new information about witness tampering.


Good point.
Plus; Trump ordered the turning off of the metal scanners on Jan 6 in spite of reports that people that wanted to get into the crowd were reported to be carrying firearms.

Plus:. The Capitol police were not ready for the protest at the Capital Building in spite of indicators that a serious protest was going to happen.

Trump told the capital police to turn off metal detectors and stand down and be unprepared for violence? Is that what you are saying?
If you listened to Hutchinson's testimony, Trump repeatedly said, "They aren't going to hurt me."

"They" being the mob he sicced on the capitol.

He said that to support his demand that the metal detectors be turned off. His clear assumption was that the only purpose those detectors had was to protect HIM. He was completely unconcerned about the danger an armed mob might represent to anyone else.

So the obvious inference is that Trump INTENDED to send an armed mob to the Capitol HOPING they would hurt or kill people, possibly including Mike Pence. And that Mark Meadows was such a Trump sycophant and a weenie that he intended to let that happen.

It was clear that Hutchinson was concerned about Mike Pence and believed Trump was hoping the mob would harm him. Members of the mob also mentioned several others they were, literally, gunning for, including Nancy Pelosi.

I think it's a safe guess that some Republicans fully understand what Trump tried to do. Liz Cheney certainly did the day of, as her outburst at Jim Jordan that day indicated, and she obviously believed that Jordan fully understood what was happening, too. The fact that many Republicans are OK with Trump's attempt to physically threaten, hurt and possibly even kill their colleagues disqualifies those Republicans for holding office. How can you work in a bipartisan fashion with someone who would be happier if you were dead. THAT is why Pelosi refused to put Jordan and Banks on the investigation AND why Cheney and Kinzinger volunteered for it.
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C. Jordan said:

4th and Inches said:

C. Jordan said:

Sam Lowry said:

If Trump knew there was likely to be violence, that's relevant to his intentions when he sent the crowd to the Capitol. Plus you've got the witness tampering, which is new information.
You also had Trump planning to lead a mob to the capital to disrupt a Congressional proceeding.

Cipalone was worried about that. But Trump planned to do it nonetheless.

The fact that he was stopped doesn't save him from a criminal conspiracy charge.

Trump himself will probably skate, but it appears Rudy, Meadows, Eastman, and others are in real trouble.

At the very least, today's testimony shows that the attack on the capital wasn't spontaneous, but planned. Probably coordinated by Rudy and others in the Trump gang.
great, now that you have tainted/biased the jury pool.. good luck with that
No. I assure you that there are a few people out there who never visit this thread.

LOL!
real courts dont work like political theater courts.. much like the nonsense cases Trump had post election, I see them struggle post hearings against a decent defense lawyer with any case arising from this
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The grabbing the steering wheel hearsay conspiracy is even more stupid than the Capitol tours conspiracy. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to make one phone all and understand Secret Service protocols. Hint: president's don't ride in the front seat. I will give Shifty credit: it is clever because he knows the SS will not comment so she can make all the crazy claims she wants and she won't be refuted.

Back when we had actual journalists, one would have made the call and figured out it's not possible. If it were a Democrat, the story would be:

"A woman who was passed over for a job with former president Obama alleged X ... we spoke to our Mr. Expert, who said that that was not possible because of Y. There are allegations that said woman had a grudge against President Obama for passing her over for a promised position with his foundation."
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Harrison Bergeron said:

The grabbing the steering wheel hearsay conspiracy is even more stupid than the Capitol tours conspiracy. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to make one phone all and understand Secret Service protocols. Hint: president's don't ride in the front seat. I will give Shifty credit: it is clever because he knows the SS will not comment so she can make all the crazy claims she wants and she won't be refuted.

Back when we had actual journalists, one would have made the call and figured out it's not possible. If it were a Democrat, the story would be:

"A woman who was passed over for a job with former president Obama alleged X ... we spoke to our Mr. Expert, who said that that was not possible because of Y. There are allegations that said woman had a grudge against President Obama for passing her over for a promised position with his foundation."
And the gaslighting Trump's awful behavior away begins.
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At least we know democracy was never in danger, and it wasn't an insurrection.
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J.B.Katz said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

The grabbing the steering wheel hearsay conspiracy is even more stupid than the Capitol tours conspiracy. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to make one phone all and understand Secret Service protocols. Hint: president's don't ride in the front seat. I will give Shifty credit: it is clever because he knows the SS will not comment so she can make all the crazy claims she wants and she won't be refuted.

Back when we had actual journalists, one would have made the call and figured out it's not possible. If it were a Democrat, the story would be:

"A woman who was passed over for a job with former president Obama alleged X ... we spoke to our Mr. Expert, who said that that was not possible because of Y. There are allegations that said woman had a grudge against President Obama for passing her over for a promised position with his foundation."
And the gaslighting Trump's awful behavior away begins.
Gaslight, huh?
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ATL Bear said:

At least we know democracy was never in danger, and it wasn't an insurrection.
No, but apparently traffic on Pennsylvania Ave. was when Trump reached over the back seat from the very back of the limo and tried to grab the steering wheel.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

The grabbing the steering wheel hearsay conspiracy is even more stupid than the Capitol tours conspiracy. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to make one phone all and understand Secret Service protocols. Hint: president's don't ride in the front seat. I will give Shifty credit: it is clever because he knows the SS will not comment so she can make all the crazy claims she wants and she won't be refuted.

the video of the vehicle they presented wasnt even the beast as testified that he was in..
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ATL Bear said:

At least we know democracy was never in danger, and it wasn't an insurrection.
Democracy is still in danger. Republicans have promoted the Big Lie knowing it wasn't true to undermine Biden's legimacy. The honest conservatives on this forum acknowledge Biden won the election. They're in the minority.

McConnell also undermined the legitmacy of SCOTUS by stealing an appointment from Obama at one end that would have moderated the court (Garland is not a liberal) and by reversing his rule at the other end to steal an appointment from Biden. The court is badly out of balance, and Thomas and Alito are now free to show us who they really are--papofacists who are totally unconcerned about the constitution, the rule of law and blatant conflicts of interest, including a wife who supported the Trump coup (although my theory is that Ginny's a dude).

Trump still controlls the party. Idiots like Mayra Florez are joining as Trump loyalists rather than committed public servants. Many states are trying to get the state assemblies to elect the president instead of the people. At least one person on this forum thinks that's a great idea.

If you are confident your policies will win elections, you don't try to rig the vote.

Republicans are trying to rig the vote in every state where that's possible. Democrats have done some gerrymandering, too, but Republicans are much more successful.

We have lots of rural states dictating our national policy. That's not sustainable. Lots of people who never imagined civil war are now finding it difficult to see a future where that doesn't happen, because people are simply not going to capitulate to minority rule, especially by religious fascists.

That's where we are, and Trump Republicans got us here. Cheney is trying to pull us back. I'm not optimistic.
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whitetrash said:

ATL Bear said:

At least we know democracy was never in danger, and it wasn't an insurrection.
No, but apparently traffic on Pennsylvania Ave. was when Trump reached over the back seat from the very back of the limo and tried to grab the steering wheel.
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J.B.Katz said:

ATL Bear said:

At least we know democracy was never in danger, and it wasn't an insurrection.
Democracy is still in danger.
Translation: I cannot figure out why--after almost double-digit inflation, foreign policy disaster after disaster, and our southern border leaking like a colander--the American people are going to pour the Democrats out this November.
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J.B.Katz said:

ATL Bear said:

At least we know democracy was never in danger, and it wasn't an insurrection.
Democracy is still in danger. Republicans have promoted the Big Lie knowing it wasn't true to undermine Biden's legimacy.

They've also undermined the legitmacy of SCOTUS.

Trump still controlls the party. Idiots like Mayra Florez are joining as Trump loyalists rather than committed public servants. Many states are trying to get the state assemblies to elect the president instead of the people. At least one person on this forum thinks that's a great idea.

If you are confident your policies will win elections, you don't try to rig the vote.

Republicans are trying to rig the vote in every state where that's possible. Democrats have done some gerrymandering, too, but Republicans are much more successful.

We have lots of rural states dictating our national policy. That's not sustainable. Lots of people who never imagined civil war are now finding it difficult to see a future where that doesn't happen, because people are simply not going to capitulate to minority rule, especially by religious fascists.

That's where we are, and Trump Republicans got us here. Cheney is trying to pull us back. I'm not optimistic.
No, it isn't. You know where democracy is in danger? Places like Lebanon.

Oh sure, we can cry baby our way on issues we don't agree with and gripe about the other guy, but elections are being held, and will continue to be held. Votes will be counted. The rule of law will prevail, and we'll continue to enjoy our privileged way of life, even though we'll ***** about it incessantly.

We're ok. Democracy was never threatened nor was our government even remotely close to being overthrown. But it's been a hell of a production. Another giant wedge to throw between us. As your post shows clearly, you really don't care about bringing perpetrators to justice, you want a giant handful of poo you can throw and cover (accuse/associate) with as many of the opposition as you can. Congrats! It's going swimmingly.
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RMF5630 said:

J.R. said:

RMF5630 said:

J.B.Katz said:


Ok, enough of this crap. Charge the guy. If you have evidence he broke the law, charge him. This constant droning of allegations and innuendo is ridiculous.
That mfer should go to jail.
Ok, with what charge? What is chargeable here that Trump or any of his staff did? If anyone, maybe Giuliani. Problem there is Giuliani was his attorney. If Trump was acting under attorney's advice, real hard to get intent. Come on, what is chargeable? How was Democracy in peril?? Besides just saying it.

Give us a charge and how you prove it...
Inciting a riot. Planning a coup on our democracy, witness tampering, tax evasion, tax fraud to say the least!
 
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