I googled whether Trump requested additional security for Jan 6th. There was a rumor that He had requested National Guard troups and Nancy Pelosi rejected the request. The rumor was false.4th and Inches said:it has been mentioned in this thread that he advised and approved additional fed security- confirmed by Gen Milley. The congressional powers that be, not Trump, lowered the volume of security at Capital.Guy Noir said:
Where is the evidence Trump advised additional security?
Dont worry, theyhad 20k national guard sleepin in parking garages to cover inauguration where nothing happened.
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Enjoy your crack. It will cost you more than you know.Guy Noir said:I googled whether Trump requested additional security for Jan 6th. There was a rumor that He had requested National Guard troups and Nancy Pelosi rejected the request. The rumor was false.4th and Inches said:it has been mentioned in this thread that he advised and approved additional fed security- confirmed by Gen Milley. The congressional powers that be, not Trump, lowered the volume of security at Capital.Guy Noir said:
Where is the evidence Trump advised additional security?
Dont worry, theyhad 20k national guard sleepin in parking garages to cover inauguration where nothing happened.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Good for you, but the question was, and is, pertinent to this discussion.drahthaar said:Guy Noir said:There was an awful lot of evidence presented from a lot of people. Did you watch the hearings? Did you have your mind made up before the hearings?drahthaar said:Guy Noir said:People were storming the Capitol Building. The VP and members of Congress were taking shelter in hopefully safe places. Where was the Commander and Chief of the USA? It is the VP that called for reinforcements to support the Capital Police.RMF5630 said:C. Jordan said:Still no answers to Trump's violation of his oath to the Constitution in his inaction on Jan. 6.4th and Inches said:C. Jordan said:This is delusional stuff.4th and Inches said:ask social media why they took down the go home message? Why is Jan6 editing out the multiple peaceful protest and no violence wording by Trump on Jan 6th?C. Jordan said:So how do you justify the inaction?4th and Inches said:me too, these last year and a half have been a real nightmare for the country..C. Jordan said:Too bad for you.4th and Inches said:I was gonna watch but there was a Riveting WNBA game that conflictedC. Jordan said:
Wow. Most powerful night yet.
The committee has done a great job of getting out of the way and allowing Trump's own people tell of his depravity.
As for Josh Hawley:
Hope you wake up some day.
No mean tweets though!
Were you okay with the violent overthrow of our government for a lie?
Are you okay with Secret Service agents calling their families to tell them goodbye because they thought they would die?
Do Trump supporters have any humanity left?
Overthrow our govt? Go sit down while the adults talk.. we got alot to cover starting with the white house protests in may of 2020 that required Trump to shelter in a bunker. Crickets on that one.. then we can talk about the leader of the Jan 6th committee actively endorsed the storming of the Wisc state capital and called it democracy in action. Lastly we gonna talk about how the govt isnt a building and its impossible to for 800 people with 2 hand guns to take over a govt.. if you believe they could then it makes sense why you think Democracy is in danger
Yes I am ok with anybody calling loved ones to tell them they love them.. doesnt make it truth because they felt that way, facts dont care about your feelings.
Also, I wouldnt know, i am a russian bot here to troll you with misinformation.
Take my script for some counseling and a free safe space mypillow and snuggie blanket for mental security.
Trump was never under any serious threat. You want me to believe a handful of protesters outside the White House is somehow equivalent to thousands ransacking the capitol? Really?
And you've never answered the question: How can you support Trump doing NOTHING for HOURS while Capitol Police were beaten and Mike Pence's life was in danger?
You haven't answered it because you don't have one. You can't honestly face that question because it reveals the depraved sociopathic maniac Donald Trump is.
Telling.
Ok, How is inaction a Constitutional violation? You may disagree, you may believe you would do different. But, violation of oath?
So, he should of sent troops into thos other Cities? Trump ordering troops to Congress on Jan 6th would have been viewed as a positive???
Admit it, anything Trump did would have been wrong and being discussed by you and your cronies on the Liz Show...
Same Liz time...
Same Liz channel...
The Police Chief of Uvalde failed to respond to the threats against the children in a timely manner. He will probably lose his job. Likewise the President should have been impeached because of his failure to react to the situation.
The committee has failed, IMO, to show evidence justifying a criminal charge against Trump on which he could, maybe should, be charged and convicted. That he failed to protect the Capitol (national gov't property and a sitting Congress) has been well-documented from the start. That would seem to rise to dereliction of duty and his oath of office, and enough on which to be impeached. "Removal from office" was a moot point by Jan 6 but the purpose would have been to remove him from being eligible to run for federal elected office in the future. That's the best this committee was going to get on Trump, and the best service the Congress could have rendered to the nation. It was a slam-dunk and they so far have rimmed this shot out. Even the GOP should have supported this, even if sub rosa.
I watched some of them. Read transcripts of others.
Definite "no" on your impertinent question.
It's very important to the Statists for at least a few reasonable people to buy their crap.
The truth is, the longer this goes on, the more useless and pathetic this committee becomes.
The truth is, the longer this goes on, the more useless and pathetic this committee becomes.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
well that settles it.. thank goodness that google helped youGuy Noir said:I googled whether Trump requested additional security for Jan 6th. There was a rumor that He had requested National Guard troups and Nancy Pelosi rejected the request. The rumor was false.4th and Inches said:it has been mentioned in this thread that he advised and approved additional fed security- confirmed by Gen Milley. The congressional powers that be, not Trump, lowered the volume of security at Capital.Guy Noir said:
Where is the evidence Trump advised additional security?
Dont worry, theyhad 20k national guard sleepin in parking garages to cover inauguration where nothing happened.
during a January 3, 2021, meeting at the White House, the president said to give D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser the National Guard support she needed, according to then-Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller's testimony under oath to Congress on May 2021.
Miller also testified that on January 5, Trump called him and told him that 10,000 National Guard troops would be needed for the next day.
"I took his comment to mean that a large force would be required to maintain order the following day," Miller said.
In addition, the president, through his defense secretary, gave the Army secretary the authority he needed to deploy National Guard troops, according to a January 4, 2021, official memo.
The memo, signed by Miller and addressed to then-Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy, said, "You are authorized to approve the requested support." The memo laid out some guidelines for that support.
It also made clear that the D.C. National Guard was under the command of the D.C. National Guard commanding general, who was to report to the defense secretary through the Army secretary.
The committee omitting that Trump had authorized National Guard support for the D.C. mayor in advance of January 6
The claim of rumor false is "Debunked"
Trump authorized use of fed troops if necessary and others failed to act. Blme Trump for others failures if you must but at least stop being a useful sheeple
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Guy Noir said:
Where is the evidence Trump advised additional security?
Miller testified under oath.
besides that under oath evidence.. no proof at all!RMF5630 said:Guy Noir said:
Where is the evidence Trump advised additional security?
Miller testified under oath.
Seriously, Sam and Oso said under oath was gold standard so its ok to beleive it over google
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If his testimony is contrary to his statements to the Inspector General, Miller may need a lawyer. From the IG report, concerning the meeting of Jan 3.RMF5630 said:Guy Noir said:
Where is the evidence Trump advised additional security?
Miller testified under oath.
Mr. Miller and GEN Milley met with the President at the White House at 5:30 p.m. The primary topic they discussed was unrelated to the scheduled rally. GEN Milley told us that at the end of the meeting, the President told Mr. Miller that there would be a large number of protesters on January 6, 2021, and Mr. Miller should ensure sufficient National Guard or Soldiers would be there to make sure it was a safe event. Gen Milley told us that Mr. Miller responded, "We've got a plan and we've got it covered."
No order was given, no order was related to the DC National Guard. Even if they had been, troops would have been sent to the wrong place, ...
Another interesting point is that the rally was scheduled, with permission given, solely for the Ellipse. No mention was ever made of taking the crowd to the Capitol. No security plans were made to cover that contingency because Trump did not inform them of it. After Jan 3, there developed discussions of a move to the Capitol in the afternoon, which was confirmed by Trump in his speech at the Ellipse. Capitol Police and and House and Senate Leadership were completely surprised by the move, as The Minority Leader's call to WH Staff that morning (you're sending them to me?) is evidence of.
I acknowledge the evidence presented that Trump asked for security befoe Jan 6th, but where was that security on Jan 6th?
it was turned down by the people who could actually request it. Again, do not blame the failures of the DC mayor's office, WPD, capital police dept, and others in congressGuy Noir said:
I acknowledge the evidence presented that Trump asked for security befoe Jan 6th, but where was that security on Jan 6th?
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Trump, why didnt you do something?!!
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see what you want to see.. Failures at many levels below Trump and those with more Authority to action than Trump but yep, blame trump seems to be the play.. why? Look no further than section 3 of the 14th amendment. Trump HAS to lead the insurrection to make it stick..xxx yyy said:If his testimony is contrary to his statements to the Inspector General, Miller may need a lawyer. From the IG report, concerning the meeting of Jan 3.RMF5630 said:Guy Noir said:
Where is the evidence Trump advised additional security?
Miller testified under oath.
Mr. Miller and GEN Milley met with the President at the White House at 5:30 p.m. The primary topic they discussed was unrelated to the scheduled rally. GEN Milley told us that at the end of the meeting, the President told Mr. Miller that there would be a large number of protesters on January 6, 2021, and Mr. Miller should ensure sufficient National Guard or Soldiers would be there to make sure it was a safe event. Gen Milley told us that Mr. Miller responded, "We've got a plan and we've got it covered."
No order was given, no order was related to the DC National Guard. Even if they had been, troops would have been sent to the wrong place, ...
Another interesting point is that the rally was scheduled, with permission given, solely for the Ellipse. No mention was ever made of taking the crowd to the Capitol. No security plans were made to cover that contingency because Trump did not inform them of it. After Jan 3, there developed discussions of a move to the Capitol in the afternoon, which was confirmed by Trump in his speech at the Ellipse. Capitol Police and and House and Senate Leadership were completely surprised by the move, as The Minority Leader's call to WH Staff that morning (you're sending them to me?) is evidence of.
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xxx yyy said:If his testimony is contrary to his statements to the Inspector General, Miller may need a lawyer. From the IG report, concerning the meeting of Jan 3.RMF5630 said:Guy Noir said:
Where is the evidence Trump advised additional security?
Miller testified under oath.
Mr. Miller and GEN Milley met with the President at the White House at 5:30 p.m. The primary topic they discussed was unrelated to the scheduled rally. GEN Milley told us that at the end of the meeting, the President told Mr. Miller that there would be a large number of protesters on January 6, 2021, and Mr. Miller should ensure sufficient National Guard or Soldiers would be there to make sure it was a safe event. Gen Milley told us that Mr. Miller responded, "We've got a plan and we've got it covered."
No order was given, no order was related to the DC National Guard. Even if they had been, troops would have been sent to the wrong place, ...
Another interesting point is that the rally was scheduled, with permission given, solely for the Ellipse. No mention was ever made of taking the crowd to the Capitol. No security plans were made to cover that contingency because Trump did not inform them of it. After Jan 3, there developed discussions of a move to the Capitol in the afternoon, which was confirmed by Trump in his speech at the Ellipse. Capitol Police and and House and Senate Leadership were completely surprised by the move, as The Minority Leader's call to WH Staff that morning (you're sending them to me?) is evidence of.
You act like this happened last month, it was 19 months ago. Point, he doesn't seem to need a lawyer. As no charges. After all this investigation, no charges. Until someone is charged it is all a political circle jerk. Nothing was done wrong, some may not agree, ask Truman about that, No charged...
The Commander and Chief has the ultimate authority. Do you honestly think if POTUS issues a formal order to Sec Def. they will say, "let's see what the mayor thinks?"4th and Inches said:see what you want to see. Failures at many levels below Trump and those with more Authority to action than Trump but yep, blame trump seems to be the play... why? Look no further than section 3 of the 14th amendment. Trump HAS to lead the insurrection to make it stick...xxx yyy said:If his testimony is contrary to his statements to the Inspector General, Miller may need a lawyer. From the IG report, concerning the meeting of Jan 3.RMF5630 said:Guy Noir said:
Where is the evidence Trump advised additional security?
Miller testified under oath.
Mr. Miller and GEN Milley met with the President at the White House at 5:30 p.m. The primary topic they discussed was unrelated to the scheduled rally. GEN Milley told us that at the end of the meeting, the President told Mr. Miller that there would be a large number of protesters on January 6, 2021, and Mr. Miller should ensure sufficient National Guard or Soldiers would be there to make sure it was a safe event. Gen Milley told us that Mr. Miller responded, "We've got a plan and we've got it covered."
No order was given, no order was related to the DC National Guard. Even if they had been, troops would have been sent to the wrong place, ...
Another interesting point is that the rally was scheduled, with permission given, solely for the Ellipse. No mention was ever made of taking the crowd to the Capitol. No security plans were made to cover that contingency because Trump did not inform them of it. After Jan 3, there developed discussions of a move to the Capitol in the afternoon, which was confirmed by Trump in his speech at the Ellipse. Capitol Police and and House and Senate Leadership were completely surprised by the move, as The Minority Leader's call to WH Staff that morning (you're sending them to me?) is evidence of.
I agree that many people in DC made serious errors on the 6th. and leading up to it. The interesting question, is why Trump (who appears to have been discussing redirecting the crowd to the Capitol Building, failed to inform the military and police (as well as congressional leadership) of those intentions?
Why is Adam K saying Trump did nothing until 4:17pm when he had Tweets out as early as 2:38pm after ending his speech at 1:10pm?
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xxx yyy said:The Commander and Chief has the ultimate authority. Do you honestly think if POTUS issues a formal order to Sec Def. they will say, "let's see what the mayor thinks?"4th and Inches said:see what you want to see. Failures at many levels below Trump and those with more Authority to action than Trump but yep, blame trump seems to be the play... why? Look no further than section 3 of the 14th amendment. Trump HAS to lead the insurrection to make it stick...xxx yyy said:If his testimony is contrary to his statements to the Inspector General, Miller may need a lawyer. From the IG report, concerning the meeting of Jan 3.RMF5630 said:Guy Noir said:
Where is the evidence Trump advised additional security?
Miller testified under oath.
Mr. Miller and GEN Milley met with the President at the White House at 5:30 p.m. The primary topic they discussed was unrelated to the scheduled rally. GEN Milley told us that at the end of the meeting, the President told Mr. Miller that there would be a large number of protesters on January 6, 2021, and Mr. Miller should ensure sufficient National Guard or Soldiers would be there to make sure it was a safe event. Gen Milley told us that Mr. Miller responded, "We've got a plan and we've got it covered."
No order was given, no order was related to the DC National Guard. Even if they had been, troops would have been sent to the wrong place, ...
Another interesting point is that the rally was scheduled, with permission given, solely for the Ellipse. No mention was ever made of taking the crowd to the Capitol. No security plans were made to cover that contingency because Trump did not inform them of it. After Jan 3, there developed discussions of a move to the Capitol in the afternoon, which was confirmed by Trump in his speech at the Ellipse. Capitol Police and and House and Senate Leadership were completely surprised by the move, as The Minority Leader's call to WH Staff that morning (you're sending them to me?) is evidence of.
I agree that many people in DC made serious errors on the 6th. and leading up to it. The interesting question, is why Trump (who appears to have been discussing redirecting the crowd to the Capitol Building, failed to inform the military and police (as well as congressional leadership) of those intentions?
POTUS is not in chain.
I will repeat what has been said repeatedly in this forum: The Legislative Branch of Government does not (except in the case of impeachment) act as a court of law. No legal charges against anyone will come from the committee (the contempt of congress for refusing to respond to congress can be determined by the House majority, not by the committee). If Trump were to be charged, it would likely come from DOJ. I believe most Federal cases have a statute of limitations of 4 or 5 years, leaving plenty of time for Merrick Garland (who does not seem to break the juridic sound barrier on prosecutions) to indict anyone involved.RMF5630 said:xxx yyy said:If his testimony is contrary to his statements to the Inspector General, Miller may need a lawyer. From the IG report, concerning the meeting of Jan 3.RMF5630 said:Guy Noir said:
Where is the evidence Trump advised additional security?
Miller testified under oath.
Mr. Miller and GEN Milley met with the President at the White House at 5:30 p.m. The primary topic they discussed was unrelated to the scheduled rally. GEN Milley told us that at the end of the meeting, the President told Mr. Miller that there would be a large number of protesters on January 6, 2021, and Mr. Miller should ensure sufficient National Guard or Soldiers would be there to make sure it was a safe event. Gen Milley told us that Mr. Miller responded, "We've got a plan and we've got it covered."
No order was given, no order was related to the DC National Guard. Even if they had been, troops would have been sent to the wrong place, ...
Another interesting point is that the rally was scheduled, with permission given, solely for the Ellipse. No mention was ever made of taking the crowd to the Capitol. No security plans were made to cover that contingency because Trump did not inform them of it. After Jan 3, there developed discussions of a move to the Capitol in the afternoon, which was confirmed by Trump in his speech at the Ellipse. Capitol Police and and House and Senate Leadership were completely surprised by the move, as The Minority Leader's call to WH Staff that morning (you're sending them to me?) is evidence of.
You act like this happened last month, it was 19 months ago. Point, he doesn't seem to need a lawyer. As no charges. After all this investigation, no charges. Until someone is charged it is all a political circle jerk. Nothing was done wrong, some may not agree, ask Truman about that, No charged...
My limited sense of it is that the path to federal indictment of the former President is problematic. My guess is Justice will go after some of the people feeding the insanity to Trump in the last month in office, and leave Trump be. I am old enough to know that a lot of smart folks in law enforcement can tell you of cases where they knew in the bone marrow an individual was guilty as hell but could not prove it in a court of law. I think this could be something similar here.
I am confused by your arguments. You were arguing that Trump had made a request, and now seem to argue he did not have authority? No formal request for guard troops was made. There are several ways a President can order troops into DC. He can declare a national emergency (the insurrection act was contemplated as one of his options). If the formal order was so made by Trump to Sec Def and to General Milley, it could not have been ignored. I know the General would have faced court martial if he ignored or refused a direct order from POTUS.RMF5630 said:xxx yyy said:The Commander and Chief has the ultimate authority. Do you honestly think if POTUS issues a formal order to Sec Def. they will say, "let's see what the mayor thinks?"4th and Inches said:see what you want to see. Failures at many levels below Trump and those with more Authority to action than Trump but yep, blame trump seems to be the play... why? Look no further than section 3 of the 14th amendment. Trump HAS to lead the insurrection to make it stick...xxx yyy said:If his testimony is contrary to his statements to the Inspector General, Miller may need a lawyer. From the IG report, concerning the meeting of Jan 3.RMF5630 said:Guy Noir said:
Where is the evidence Trump advised additional security?
Miller testified under oath.
Mr. Miller and GEN Milley met with the President at the White House at 5:30 p.m. The primary topic they discussed was unrelated to the scheduled rally. GEN Milley told us that at the end of the meeting, the President told Mr. Miller that there would be a large number of protesters on January 6, 2021, and Mr. Miller should ensure sufficient National Guard or Soldiers would be there to make sure it was a safe event. Gen Milley told us that Mr. Miller responded, "We've got a plan and we've got it covered."
No order was given, no order was related to the DC National Guard. Even if they had been, troops would have been sent to the wrong place, ...
Another interesting point is that the rally was scheduled, with permission given, solely for the Ellipse. No mention was ever made of taking the crowd to the Capitol. No security plans were made to cover that contingency because Trump did not inform them of it. After Jan 3, there developed discussions of a move to the Capitol in the afternoon, which was confirmed by Trump in his speech at the Ellipse. Capitol Police and and House and Senate Leadership were completely surprised by the move, as The Minority Leader's call to WH Staff that morning (you're sending them to me?) is evidence of.
I agree that many people in DC made serious errors on the 6th. and leading up to it. The interesting question, is why Trump (who appears to have been discussing redirecting the crowd to the Capitol Building, failed to inform the military and police (as well as congressional leadership) of those intentions?
POTUS is not in chain.
Nice dance, but it doesn't change the fact that Trump offered troops and the Democrats declined.xxx yyy said:I am confused by your arguments. You were arguing that Trump had made a request, and now seem to argue he did not have authority? No formal request for guard troops was made. There are several ways a President can order troops into DC. He can declare a national emergency (the insurrection act was contemplated as one of his options). If the formal order was so made by Trump to Sec Def and to General Milley, it could not have been ignored. I know the General would have faced court martial if he ignored or refused a direct order from POTUS.RMF5630 said:xxx yyy said:The Commander and Chief has the ultimate authority. Do you honestly think if POTUS issues a formal order to Sec Def. they will say, "let's see what the mayor thinks?"4th and Inches said:see what you want to see. Failures at many levels below Trump and those with more Authority to action than Trump but yep, blame trump seems to be the play... why? Look no further than section 3 of the 14th amendment. Trump HAS to lead the insurrection to make it stick...xxx yyy said:If his testimony is contrary to his statements to the Inspector General, Miller may need a lawyer. From the IG report, concerning the meeting of Jan 3.RMF5630 said:Guy Noir said:
Where is the evidence Trump advised additional security?
Miller testified under oath.
Mr. Miller and GEN Milley met with the President at the White House at 5:30 p.m. The primary topic they discussed was unrelated to the scheduled rally. GEN Milley told us that at the end of the meeting, the President told Mr. Miller that there would be a large number of protesters on January 6, 2021, and Mr. Miller should ensure sufficient National Guard or Soldiers would be there to make sure it was a safe event. Gen Milley told us that Mr. Miller responded, "We've got a plan and we've got it covered."
No order was given, no order was related to the DC National Guard. Even if they had been, troops would have been sent to the wrong place, ...
Another interesting point is that the rally was scheduled, with permission given, solely for the Ellipse. No mention was ever made of taking the crowd to the Capitol. No security plans were made to cover that contingency because Trump did not inform them of it. After Jan 3, there developed discussions of a move to the Capitol in the afternoon, which was confirmed by Trump in his speech at the Ellipse. Capitol Police and and House and Senate Leadership were completely surprised by the move, as The Minority Leader's call to WH Staff that morning (you're sending them to me?) is evidence of.
I agree that many people in DC made serious errors on the 6th. and leading up to it. The interesting question, is why Trump (who appears to have been discussing redirecting the crowd to the Capitol Building, failed to inform the military and police (as well as congressional leadership) of those intentions?
POTUS is not in chain.
You and Brandon can go suck a lemon.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Guy Noir is correct. It was Miller who debunked your claim under oath.4th and Inches said:besides that under oath evidence.. no proof at all!RMF5630 said:Guy Noir said:
Where is the evidence Trump advised additional security?
Miller testified under oath.
Seriously, Sam and Oso said under oath was gold standard so its ok to beleive it over google
xxx yyy said:I am confused by your arguments. You were arguing that Trump had made a request, and now seem to argue he did not have authority? No formal request for guard troops was made. There are several ways a President can order troops into DC. He can declare a national emergency (the insurrection act was contemplated as one of his options). If the formal order was so made by Trump to Sec Def and to General Milley, it could not have been ignored. I know the General would have faced court martial if he ignored or refused a direct order from POTUS.RMF5630 said:xxx yyy said:The Commander and Chief has the ultimate authority. Do you honestly think if POTUS issues a formal order to Sec Def. they will say, "let's see what the mayor thinks?"4th and Inches said:see what you want to see. Failures at many levels below Trump and those with more Authority to action than Trump but yep, blame trump seems to be the play... why? Look no further than section 3 of the 14th amendment. Trump HAS to lead the insurrection to make it stick...xxx yyy said:If his testimony is contrary to his statements to the Inspector General, Miller may need a lawyer. From the IG report, concerning the meeting of Jan 3.RMF5630 said:Guy Noir said:
Where is the evidence Trump advised additional security?
Miller testified under oath.
Mr. Miller and GEN Milley met with the President at the White House at 5:30 p.m. The primary topic they discussed was unrelated to the scheduled rally. GEN Milley told us that at the end of the meeting, the President told Mr. Miller that there would be a large number of protesters on January 6, 2021, and Mr. Miller should ensure sufficient National Guard or Soldiers would be there to make sure it was a safe event. Gen Milley told us that Mr. Miller responded, "We've got a plan and we've got it covered."
No order was given, no order was related to the DC National Guard. Even if they had been, troops would have been sent to the wrong place, ...
Another interesting point is that the rally was scheduled, with permission given, solely for the Ellipse. No mention was ever made of taking the crowd to the Capitol. No security plans were made to cover that contingency because Trump did not inform them of it. After Jan 3, there developed discussions of a move to the Capitol in the afternoon, which was confirmed by Trump in his speech at the Ellipse. Capitol Police and and House and Senate Leadership were completely surprised by the move, as The Minority Leader's call to WH Staff that morning (you're sending them to me?) is evidence of.
I agree that many people in DC made serious errors on the 6th. and leading up to it. The interesting question, is why Trump (who appears to have been discussing redirecting the crowd to the Capitol Building, failed to inform the military and police (as well as congressional leadership) of those intentions?
POTUS is not in chain.
The DC National Guard is under command of the Sec of Def. The President told him before to use what he needed to protect the peaceful demonstrators. POTUS is not in the operational/tactical Chain to a point to be able to make decisions in moment. He does not lead troops, he sets strategy, policy and gives ultimate approval to his Commanders.
To say the Trump should have made a call and activated troops and deployed them is ridiculous. Trump doesn't have a white horse on stand-by for him to lead a response. All Authorizations were in place. Mayor of DC did not want a Guard presence. The Guard was up and operational within something like 3 hours, which is damn good. It usually takes days to spin up a unit, I was in Wisconsin National Guard while in undergrad. It does not work like you are saying. POTUS does not have operational control to the level he is being held.
That is what I meant that he is not in the Chain. He is so much higher than the Ops you are talking, he would be a non-issue in a response situation. Military IS NOT a la enforcement function. The DOJ response would be much more effective of FBI, Marshalls, Homeland, DEA, even wildlife officers, all are law enfocement. Capitol Police have the best capabilitie, I do not get why they didnt have a response team ready. Get it. That is my point. You guys are jumping on theoretical BS, that is not in line with reality. You are trying to hold Trump responsible, desperately, for stuff he wouldn't do. POTUS would muk things up if he got involved, any POTUS.
Guy Noir said:Good for you, but the question was, and is, pertinent to this discussion.drahthaar said:Guy Noir said:There was an awful lot of evidence presented from a lot of people. Did you watch the hearings? Did you have your mind made up before the hearings?drahthaar said:Guy Noir said:People were storming the Capitol Building. The VP and members of Congress were taking shelter in hopefully safe places. Where was the Commander and Chief of the USA? It is the VP that called for reinforcements to support the Capital Police.RMF5630 said:C. Jordan said:Still no answers to Trump's violation of his oath to the Constitution in his inaction on Jan. 6.4th and Inches said:C. Jordan said:This is delusional stuff.4th and Inches said:ask social media why they took down the go home message? Why is Jan6 editing out the multiple peaceful protest and no violence wording by Trump on Jan 6th?C. Jordan said:So how do you justify the inaction?4th and Inches said:me too, these last year and a half have been a real nightmare for the country..C. Jordan said:Too bad for you.4th and Inches said:I was gonna watch but there was a Riveting WNBA game that conflictedC. Jordan said:
Wow. Most powerful night yet.
The committee has done a great job of getting out of the way and allowing Trump's own people tell of his depravity.
As for Josh Hawley:
Hope you wake up some day.
No mean tweets though!
Were you okay with the violent overthrow of our government for a lie?
Are you okay with Secret Service agents calling their families to tell them goodbye because they thought they would die?
Do Trump supporters have any humanity left?
Overthrow our govt? Go sit down while the adults talk.. we got alot to cover starting with the white house protests in may of 2020 that required Trump to shelter in a bunker. Crickets on that one.. then we can talk about the leader of the Jan 6th committee actively endorsed the storming of the Wisc state capital and called it democracy in action. Lastly we gonna talk about how the govt isnt a building and its impossible to for 800 people with 2 hand guns to take over a govt.. if you believe they could then it makes sense why you think Democracy is in danger
Yes I am ok with anybody calling loved ones to tell them they love them.. doesnt make it truth because they felt that way, facts dont care about your feelings.
Also, I wouldnt know, i am a russian bot here to troll you with misinformation.
Take my script for some counseling and a free safe space mypillow and snuggie blanket for mental security.
Trump was never under any serious threat. You want me to believe a handful of protesters outside the White House is somehow equivalent to thousands ransacking the capitol? Really?
And you've never answered the question: How can you support Trump doing NOTHING for HOURS while Capitol Police were beaten and Mike Pence's life was in danger?
You haven't answered it because you don't have one. You can't honestly face that question because it reveals the depraved sociopathic maniac Donald Trump is.
Telling.
Ok, How is inaction a Constitutional violation? You may disagree, you may believe you would do different. But, violation of oath?
So, he should of sent troops into thos other Cities? Trump ordering troops to Congress on Jan 6th would have been viewed as a positive???
Admit it, anything Trump did would have been wrong and being discussed by you and your cronies on the Liz Show...
Same Liz time...
Same Liz channel...
The Police Chief of Uvalde failed to respond to the threats against the children in a timely manner. He will probably lose his job. Likewise the President should have been impeached because of his failure to react to the situation.
The committee has failed, IMO, to show evidence justifying a criminal charge against Trump on which he could, maybe should, be charged and convicted. That he failed to protect the Capitol (national gov't property and a sitting Congress) has been well-documented from the start. That would seem to rise to dereliction of duty and his oath of office, and enough on which to be impeached. "Removal from office" was a moot point by Jan 6 but the purpose would have been to remove him from being eligible to run for federal elected office in the future. That's the best this committee was going to get on Trump, and the best service the Congress could have rendered to the nation. It was a slam-dunk and they so far have rimmed this shot out. Even the GOP should have supported this, even if sub rosa.
I watched some of them. Read transcripts of others.
Definite "no" on your impertinent question.
As a blanket question for all participating, I would agree. As an "argument" to leverage one's argument, not so much. As I said, doesn't apply in my case. My statement stands about tge failure of the committee to clearly laid out the evidence for criminal guilt in this case and at this point. Now, Trump's involvement in the Georgia returns are another kettle of fish. If the committee doesn't lead to impeachment for dereliction of leadership duty, they will leave the nation in great peril of his potential return to power OR to continued inept leadership currently at the helm.
cite where my claim is debunked by Miller..Sam Lowry said:Guy Noir is correct. It was Miller who debunked your claim under oath.4th and Inches said:besides that under oath evidence.. no proof at all!RMF5630 said:Guy Noir said:
Where is the evidence Trump advised additional security?
Miller testified under oath.
Seriously, Sam and Oso said under oath was gold standard so its ok to beleive it over google
Miller was my citation so he debunked himslef?
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In Miller's sworn statement to the House of Representatives, he testified that a few hundred troops were authorized at the DC mayor's request. They were to be unarmed and deployed away from the Capitol area to do things like directing traffic. There was also a small quick response force on stand-by at an airfield 12 miles from the city's center. This was the full extent of the "requested support" authorized in the documents you referenced. It was provided. There was no failure to act and no refusal on the part of Congress or the mayor.
The additional 10,000 troops were mentioned by Trump in a single 30-second phone conversation with Miller on the afternoon of Jan. 5. They were never authorized, nor did Pelosi or the mayor have any part in the conversation. Trump didn't elaborate, and Miller gave no substantive response, according to his testimony. He didn't take it as a serious request, likely because there was no chance of it happening. As it turned out they were only able to deploy about 1,000 troops the following day. They deployed about 6,000 by Jan. 20, but that involved pulling troops from Maryland, Virginia, New York, New Jersey, Delaware and Pennsylvania. It was never on the table for Jan. 6.
The additional 10,000 troops were mentioned by Trump in a single 30-second phone conversation with Miller on the afternoon of Jan. 5. They were never authorized, nor did Pelosi or the mayor have any part in the conversation. Trump didn't elaborate, and Miller gave no substantive response, according to his testimony. He didn't take it as a serious request, likely because there was no chance of it happening. As it turned out they were only able to deploy about 1,000 troops the following day. They deployed about 6,000 by Jan. 20, but that involved pulling troops from Maryland, Virginia, New York, New Jersey, Delaware and Pennsylvania. It was never on the table for Jan. 6.
Objection- your testifying
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It's all straight from Miller, other than the post-riot numbers which I provided as an illustration of the difficulty involved. There was never any serious request, much less authorization, for National Guard at the Capitol prior to Jan. 6.4th and Inches said:
Objection- your testifying
"January 4, 2021 official memo"Sam Lowry said:It's all straight from Miller, other than the post-riot numbers which I provided as an illustration of the difficulty involved. There was never any serious request, much less authorization, for National Guard at the Capitol prior to Jan. 6.4th and Inches said:
Objection- your testifying
Straight from Miller..
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Right. Again, that memo had nothing to do with authorizing large numbers of troops or sending any troops at all to the Capitol. From Miller's testimony:4th and Inches said:"January 4, 2021 official memo"Sam Lowry said:It's all straight from Miller, other than the post-riot numbers which I provided as an illustration of the difficulty involved. There was never any serious request, much less authorization, for National Guard at the Capitol prior to Jan. 6.4th and Inches said:
Objection- your testifying
Straight from Miller..
Quote:
As I stated earlier, I approved on 4 January Mayor Bowser's request to station D.C. Army National Guard troops at 30 traffic control points (TCPs) around the White House and also six Metro subway stations. The TCPs were designed to block vehicular traffic from driving into the city's core and the designated demonstration sites. Three National Guard Soldiers and one D.C. Metropolitan Police Department officer would be stationed at each TCP location. Similarly, four National Guard Soldiers along with one D.C. Metropolitan Police Department officer and one Metro Transportation officer were assigned to six Metro subway stops.
Lets ignore this..
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You sell the lie about no action, you then sell the lie about lack of evidence, you keep denying the obvious break down of enforcement outside of Trumps ability(DC Mayor, capital police, congress, the people Trump assigned to complete the tasks of ensuring the safety) but by all means keep doing you..
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I don't even know what this means. No action as to what? Lack of evidence of what? Trump's ability to do what?4th and Inches said:
You sell the lie about no action, you then sell the lie about lack of evidence, you keep denying the obvious break down of enforcement outside of Trumps ability(DC Mayor, capital police, congress, the people Trump assigned to complete the tasks of ensuring the safety) but by all means keep doing you..
Any orders or requests that Trump might have given are only relevant for one reason: you want them to show that he was trying to protect the Capitol. The mayor, the police, the Congress, and everyone else could have been dumber than Joe Biden's pet rock and it wouldn't make one bit of difference to Trump's responsibility if Trump didn't do the right thing. Don't get carried away with victim-blaming and lose track of what little argument you have in his defense.
And Miller emphatically agreed with this. He recognized that the DOD has a terrible record with civilian law enforcement and should only be used as an absolute last resort.4th and Inches said:
Lets ignore this..
i dont want them to show anything, thats what they show..Sam Lowry said:I don't even know what this means. No action as to what? Lack of evidence of what? Trump's ability to do what?4th and Inches said:
You sell the lie about no action, you then sell the lie about lack of evidence, you keep denying the obvious break down of enforcement outside of Trumps ability(DC Mayor, capital police, congress, the people Trump assigned to complete the tasks of ensuring the safety) but by all means keep doing you..
Any orders or requests that Trump might have given are only relevant for one reason: you want them to show that he was trying to protect the Capitol. The mayor, the police, the Congress, and everyone else could have been dumber than Joe Biden's pet rock and it wouldn't make one bit of difference to Trump's responsibility if Trump didn't do the right thing. Don't get carried away with victim-blaming and lose track of what little argument you have in his defense.
He acted, it might have been wrong but it destroys the inaction narrative.
His responsibility is limited and you know it.
He acted by 2:38 pm which was way faster than the 187min window proclaimed by Jan 6th puppet theater show..
I surmise that He didnt mention lawmakers in early tweets because the crowd 1)hadnt gotten to that point yet where the rioters made it far enough to endanger them and 2) if he did, it would have been twisted as a dogwhistle to attack them or at least his opposition would say that..
ROFL- blaming the capital police and the DCPD are victims? Are Uvaldes police victims too?!
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If it can be used to hurt Trump. Sam loves it.
If it helps Trump, Sam will deny it to his last breath.
If it helps Trump, Sam will deny it to his last breath.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier