Radicals, that certainly support radical progressivism did it the entire summer of 2020. Burning, takin over neighborhoods, trying to take over places of government administration.Sam Lowry said:Which is why we should think of J6 the same way we would if Democrats had done it.Doc Holliday said:If justice isn't blind, pursuing it will become tyrannical.Sam Lowry said:I've been consistent, and I can assure you it doesn't work that way. Someone will always find a reason to cry "whatabout?"Doc Holliday said:Ya'll would have an easier time taking down Trump if you were consistent in your outrage over the behavior of public officials.Osodecentx said:I thought Giulliani/Eastman plan was that the VP would reject the official slate of Electors in certain states that gave Biden the edge.RMF5630 said:That is an interesting question.Osodecentx said:Do you believe, in theory, that VP Pence on his own authority has the right to not recognize (count) the duly submitted electoral college votes that the states sent Congress? (Biden and Harris are asking for a friend)RMF5630 said:Ok, so let's play this out beyond the 3 hours it took to regain control of Congress. Any scenario moving forward is totally based on what Pence did. Pence certified the election, end of story. Biden is President. Or, are we still in dream scenario where Pence caves to Trump in public after standing up to him one on one? You know at some point, actions of what actually happened has to weigh in here.Sam Lowry said:4a, basically. He was focused on Pence and believed he could stay in office if Pence supported him. The Democrats had an assortment of procedural maneuvers prepared to stop him, but they had no power to call in the military, and obviously the police already had their hands full. It's unclear what would have happened.RMF5630 said:Don't forget, we know he was mad because he threw his lunch against the wall and this "savior of Democracy" had to clean it up. What a span of responsibilities, cleaning up spilt lunch to being able to direct POTUS where to go to directing the Secret Service. Heck of a job description.whiterock said:100k participants at a "Stop-the-Steal" rally. After Trump tells the crowd to make their voices heard patriotically and peacefully, a riot broke out in parts of the Capitol. Several blocks away, 2 people had guns. Ergo, it was an armed insurrection. Further, according to a secretary of an advisor who talked to two guys in the Secret Service, Trump tried to seize the leadership of this insurrection by grabbing the steering wheel of his ride, although Sam also thinks that Trump planned the whole thing to go down exactly as it did.4th and Inches said:I dont know of anyone charged related to the rally but at the capital? There were 2 charged with gun possession from what I found.. lots of other weapons charges like tasers and baseball bats.Quote:Quote:I think not. Police were identifying the armed demonstrators by the manner of their dress for their colleagues' safety and the safety of POTUSQuote:Quote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/police-audio-identifies-weapons-on-jan-6/2022/06/28/8be1aa71-99c7-444a-881c-37972347e049_video.htmlQuote:Yet, not a single gun was found? Armed with what?Quote:Hutchinson was in the room when Trump learned that folks who were armed were being denied access.Quote:
Only thing new discovered so far is second hand heresy from an ambitious source.
Let's wait for an actual witness to testify before we anoint there being new facts.
If the driver and secret service members confirm her second hand heresy, then I will change my mind. Right now it's still a big nothing.
She was in the room when Trump said the armed folks were not there to harm him.
She is an actual witness. This isn't hearsay; it's an eyewitness.
I do want to hear from Ornato, a former SS agent who was a Trump senior staffer. He was in the vehicle. He isn't SS, so he should be able to testify.
Police audio identifies weapons on Jan. 6
June 28, 2022 | 1:43 PM CDT
Police radio transmissions identified individuals with firearms, including AR-15s, near the Ellipse on the morning of Jan. 6.
No charges?
Guns? Nope.
That is the case, according to Oso and Sam.
What I still don't get is if this was true, as the Dems seem to believe, what was the end game? How did Trump think or plan this to work out? Let's say he does do what Sam and the Dems want us to believe.
1 - He goes to the Capital, Cassidy is not able to save the President from himself.
2 - He leads the insurrection into the Capital.
3 - He storms Congress by breaking down the doors.
4a - He??? Yells at Pence to accept the alternate electors?
4b - He??? Goes up and removes Pence and declares himself the winner?
4c - He??? Declares himself king?
5 - He does 1 through any of your choice of 4. Then what? The US and World accept that? He is inaugurated and everyone falls in line?
Come on guys, help me. For him to do what you are saying, what was the plan? How does he do it? How does he hold power? How does he "intimidate"? As far as I can see, there is nothing besides Trump yelling and sending nasty tweets?
How does he hold power when the FBI, US Marshalls, Capitol Police and even the 3rd Infantry Division detachment or Marines at Quantico come for them? None of the outcomes from Cheney's Commission play out. There is no end game a sane person would see. You guys saying he had a death wish and was going out curtain rod a blazing?
Or, he wanted to make noise to show his displeasure and throw a temper tantrum that had no intention of going violent. Based on our knowledge of Trump, which seems more realistic????
Plus, you really think that Congress would just re-seat after Trump forces his way in with that mob? Sam, you are really reaching here. There is no scenario for what you all think Trump wanted to do to happen outside of some Donald Trump/Liz Cheney dream scenario in a movie (funny, they both would love the same dream for different reasons). What you describe is the Liz Cheney dream scenario because it ends with Trump being led off in handcuffs by US Marshalls. Trump for all his faults is not that stupid.
As for Military, if this was truly deemed an insurrection and coup the Federal Govt has every right to come in.
It is up to the State to submit the Electors, not the VP to pick which ones are the official ones. So, my answer would be no. The VP is not allowed to cherry pick electors.
However, in my opinion if there are multiple sheets of Electors than that would be a State question as to which ones are the official ones. As opposed to just going arbitrarily by a date or what was submitted first.
I really do not know the laws of each State in terms of selection of Electors and whether they are in a State that has a law saying they must follow popular vote. So, if 2 sheets. I would think they would ask that State's delegation from Congress to get it resolved.
So, who at the State level is responsible for the selection of Electors?
I certainly agree that the VP is not allowed to cherry pick electors.
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Protesters in Portland marched to a government building on Tuesday night, smashing windows and setting an office ablaze in what authorities ...
Feb 4, 2021 The cleaning and repair bill for federal buildings in Portland damaged during protests in the city last summer exceeded $2 million, ...
Jul 21, 2020 Rioters in the crowd were kicking the doors of the federal courthouse, vandalizing the building with spray paint and blocking adjacent ...
On May 31, 2020, a number of unknown suspects caused significant damage to the Terry Sanford Federal Building located at 310 New Bern Avenue and the Century Station Federal Building located at 300 Fayetteville Street in Raleigh, North Carolina. Multiple windows were broken and both buildings were damaged by graffiti. The damage totaled more than $11,000.
So we saw entire summer of this, and we had officials actually pledge to bail out the protesters. Being real people who support democrat positions did the vast majority of the above.
So if democrats did it on Jan 6th, I'm pretty sure we would be doing pretty much nothing. Especially since there is a democrat in the WH right now.
