Good thing we elected our first ever billionaire POTUS, who makes multiple billions a year from his crypto scams and conflicts of interest, I'm sure he can make some progress on shrinking that welath gap!

Well, the US did recently add 4,400 millionaires, several billionaires, and a trillionaire into the mix. That's going to skew the numbers a bit, although only a tiny amount in a population of 340 million. The numbers are skewed much more by 20-30 million illegals living off the dole. We can thank the fascists (& plenty of RINO's) for that, especially Pres. Autopen.

Imagine how much better the numbers would be if all those illegals were deported. Now imagine what the housing market would look like with a dramatic increase in supply. Then imagine every other consumer market (food, energy, healthcare, etc) improving with a huge increase in supply. Goodbye inflation and high prices! That should encourage every American to insist on sustained mass deportation until every single illegal alien is removed.

Democrats like the Clintons Biden's, Pelosis wrote the book on getting wealthy while in office

I'm sure you didn't complain then

https://www.wabe.org/clintons-wrote-book-how-politicians-climb-out-middle-class/

Not even a peep from you all liberal clowns

https://www.wgem.com/2025/10/16/billionaire-illinois-gov-pritzker-wins-blackjack-pot-14m-las-vegas/

Yawnnnnnn

Please leave the coffee alone…

JUST IN 🚨: Coffee soars more than 16% for its biggest gain this century ☕ 📈 pic.twitter.com/4flEHhGkoD

— Barchart (@Barchart) July 6, 2026

oh my..what are Hammerskin Hank and Lil Danny Twink gonna do when the price of a Latte goes up at their MegaChurch "rock and roll" service!

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oh my..what are Hammerskin Hank and Lil Danny Twink gonna do when the price of a Latte goes up at their MegaChurch "rock and roll" service!

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You pay for the bikini clad service...

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Whiterock: " Workers are underpaid because the jobs they are doing do not add value. AI is going to gut most of the service sector."

Think for a moment about what you posted there. Generations of workers have been told by everyone in power that going to college and taking a white-collar job is the path to economic security.
Yes. That was the "go west, young man" mentality of our generation.

Now you admit those jobs not only do not pay well, they are being eviscerated, deliberately, by businesses seeking short-term profits in the idiotic idea that there will not be long-term consequences.
Not quite. You described white collar jobs in the previous paragraph, which do pay comparably with manufacturing jobs, then conflated them with all the low-skill service jobs which do not pay as well as manufacturing jobs. And that's before we get to the true heart of our discontent - college degrees that neither service nor manufacturing industries value, consigning those people to either unskilled labor jobs or public sector jobs with limited upside on earning potential. Regardless which dynamic, though, it's all derivative of a globalism structure that we too far for too long.

If you look back at History, you may note that when nominal employment standards change to any great degree, there is a consequence in unrest and protest, including political revolution. The idea that corporations will be able to profit by treating people as disposable is going to fail in the long term. The idea that people unable to pay for their homes and raise their families will quietly accept this abuse is delusional.
Yes. And that dynamic is at play here. But even our discontented lesbian studies major working at Starbucks rather than at Goldman Sachs major is quite wealthy by world standards.

The free market works in the long term because abuses are reined in and criminals punished. Just as monopolies and oligarchies are against ethical consideration, law must always heed public demand for accountability. Over two hundred fifty million people work in the United States, and the need to consider how to provide for that workforce beyond treating it as a machine should be more than obvious.
That's why we see Trump driving a spear thru Globalism and Vance talking about a post-liberal order which seeks to affirm the building blocks of culture - faith, family, human dignity - rather than post modernist intersectionality which atomized culture into nothing more than affirmation of identity, thereby sacrificing the American worker on the altar of a world without borders.

Ignoring an angry man may be wise. Ignoring an angry nation is suicide.

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We aren't ignoring it. We are fixing it.

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Zero evidence of that, just posturing up to now.

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dude. watch the news. nearly all the data starting to flow points upward, both in the sense of indicators as well as actual outcomes. We just sucked +2k auto manufacturing jobs out of Mexico yesterday. Housing prices have stabilized (as could have been predicted after a couple million deportations). And on and on.

It is simply not plausible for all the dozens of trillions of dollars of investment that is starting to unfold to not have a massively positive impact for everyone. Yes, it takes time for the flows to matriculate thru to the worker/consumer, years....and it's now been a year since the new policies kicked into effect. This year will be good. Next year will be historic.

Here's a bigger part of the problem

https://t.co/SBMie4idku pic.twitter.com/38ybqIBKlR

— Marc Andreessen 🇺🇸 (@pmarca) July 6, 2026

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Oldbear83 said:

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whiterock said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Whiterock: " Workers are underpaid because the jobs they are doing do not add value. AI is going to gut most of the service sector."

Think for a moment about what you posted there. Generations of workers have been told by everyone in power that going to college and taking a white-collar job is the path to economic security.
Yes. That was the "go west, young man" mentality of our generation.

Now you admit those jobs not only do not pay well, they are being eviscerated, deliberately, by businesses seeking short-term profits in the idiotic idea that there will not be long-term consequences.
Not quite. You described white collar jobs in the previous paragraph, which do pay comparably with manufacturing jobs, then conflated them with all the low-skill service jobs which do not pay as well as manufacturing jobs. And that's before we get to the true heart of our discontent - college degrees that neither service nor manufacturing industries value, consigning those people to either unskilled labor jobs or public sector jobs with limited upside on earning potential. Regardless which dynamic, though, it's all derivative of a globalism structure that we too far for too long.

If you look back at History, you may note that when nominal employment standards change to any great degree, there is a consequence in unrest and protest, including political revolution. The idea that corporations will be able to profit by treating people as disposable is going to fail in the long term. The idea that people unable to pay for their homes and raise their families will quietly accept this abuse is delusional.
Yes. And that dynamic is at play here. But even our discontented lesbian studies major working at Starbucks rather than at Goldman Sachs major is quite wealthy by world standards.

The free market works in the long term because abuses are reined in and criminals punished. Just as monopolies and oligarchies are against ethical consideration, law must always heed public demand for accountability. Over two hundred fifty million people work in the United States, and the need to consider how to provide for that workforce beyond treating it as a machine should be more than obvious.
That's why we see Trump driving a spear thru Globalism and Vance talking about a post-liberal order which seeks to affirm the building blocks of culture - faith, family, human dignity - rather than post modernist intersectionality which atomized culture into nothing more than affirmation of identity, thereby sacrificing the American worker on the altar of a world without borders.

Ignoring an angry man may be wise. Ignoring an angry nation is suicide.

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We aren't ignoring it. We are fixing it.

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Zero evidence of that, just posturing up to now.

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dude. watch the news. nearly all the data starting to flow points upward, both in the sense of indicators as well as actual outcomes. We just sucked +2k auto manufacturing jobs out of Mexico yesterday. Housing prices have stabilized (as could have been predicted after a couple million deportations). And on and on.

It is simply not plausible for all the dozens of trillions of dollars of investment that is starting to unfold to not have a massively positive impact for everyone. Yes, it takes time for the flows to matriculate thru to the worker/consumer, years....and it's now been a year since the new policies kicked into effect. This year will be good. Next year will be historic.

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I watch the news.

No evidence of the problem being addressed.

Excuses only.

Oldbear83 said:

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whiterock said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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whiterock said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Whiterock: " Workers are underpaid because the jobs they are doing do not add value. AI is going to gut most of the service sector."

Think for a moment about what you posted there. Generations of workers have been told by everyone in power that going to college and taking a white-collar job is the path to economic security.
Yes. That was the "go west, young man" mentality of our generation.

Now you admit those jobs not only do not pay well, they are being eviscerated, deliberately, by businesses seeking short-term profits in the idiotic idea that there will not be long-term consequences.
Not quite. You described white collar jobs in the previous paragraph, which do pay comparably with manufacturing jobs, then conflated them with all the low-skill service jobs which do not pay as well as manufacturing jobs. And that's before we get to the true heart of our discontent - college degrees that neither service nor manufacturing industries value, consigning those people to either unskilled labor jobs or public sector jobs with limited upside on earning potential. Regardless which dynamic, though, it's all derivative of a globalism structure that we too far for too long.

If you look back at History, you may note that when nominal employment standards change to any great degree, there is a consequence in unrest and protest, including political revolution. The idea that corporations will be able to profit by treating people as disposable is going to fail in the long term. The idea that people unable to pay for their homes and raise their families will quietly accept this abuse is delusional.
Yes. And that dynamic is at play here. But even our discontented lesbian studies major working at Starbucks rather than at Goldman Sachs major is quite wealthy by world standards.

The free market works in the long term because abuses are reined in and criminals punished. Just as monopolies and oligarchies are against ethical consideration, law must always heed public demand for accountability. Over two hundred fifty million people work in the United States, and the need to consider how to provide for that workforce beyond treating it as a machine should be more than obvious.
That's why we see Trump driving a spear thru Globalism and Vance talking about a post-liberal order which seeks to affirm the building blocks of culture - faith, family, human dignity - rather than post modernist intersectionality which atomized culture into nothing more than affirmation of identity, thereby sacrificing the American worker on the altar of a world without borders.

Ignoring an angry man may be wise. Ignoring an angry nation is suicide.

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We aren't ignoring it. We are fixing it.

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Zero evidence of that, just posturing up to now.

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dude. watch the news. nearly all the data starting to flow points upward, both in the sense of indicators as well as actual outcomes. We just sucked +2k auto manufacturing jobs out of Mexico yesterday. Housing prices have stabilized (as could have been predicted after a couple million deportations). And on and on.

It is simply not plausible for all the dozens of trillions of dollars of investment that is starting to unfold to not have a massively positive impact for everyone. Yes, it takes time for the flows to matriculate thru to the worker/consumer, years....and it's now been a year since the new policies kicked into effect. This year will be good. Next year will be historic.

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I watch the news.

No evidence of the problem being addressed.

Excuses only.

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Then you do not see the big picture yet.

The End of Being Played

The Wall Street Journal’s profile of Mark Carney as “The Canadian Who Steered Europe Away From the U.S.” and the New York Times’ exposition of the emerging Bessent Doctrine are mirror accounts of the same structural turning point. One tells the story from… https://t.co/XygRbMfOnr

— James E. Thorne (@DrJStrategy) July 8, 2026

The funny thing is that WR thinks this is all good...

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The funny thing is that WR thinks this is all good...

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It's a damned sight better than what we've been doing.

It's because of the basic psychologies of fascism and communism.

Fascism is a disgust spiral, whose basic commandment is "thou shalt not be worse than me." It starts out with anti-smoking campaigns and burning child pornography, and ends up disappearing anyone who doesn't mow… https://t.co/OqnznfLyhS

— Devon Eriksen (@Devon_Eriksen_) July 7, 2026

We shall see.

We are just starting to get into the time period where it will be determined. Will new markets emerge? Or, do they have no choice and will kowtow to Trump? Or, play for time.

Great experiment playing out, as the debt continues to rise.

Way to defend the porn, WR...

Trump: "They made up a phony word -- 'affordability.'" pic.twitter.com/ICapT0IXD3

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) July 8, 2026

JUST IN: The Magnificent 7 has fallen to its cheapest valuation relative to the S&P 500 in more than 10 years

— Kalshi Finance (@Kalshi_Finance) July 8, 2026

JUST IN: Nvidia now at "cheapest valuation" since 2019

— Kalshi (@Kalshi) July 8, 2026

This is what happens when 80% of the country can’t afford to pay their bills.

The version of capitalism we see today is a farce. The top 1% takes all of the money and everyone else loses.

The frustration is building and I can’t see it ending well. https://t.co/CdEpS7Wl4T

— QE Infinity (@StealthQE4) July 9, 2026

Nearly half of Americans are skipping summer vacations as higher airfares and driving costs weigh on travel plans, per Al Jazeera.

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) July 9, 2026

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JUST IN: The Magnificent 7 has fallen to its cheapest valuation relative to the S&P 500 in more than 10 years

— Kalshi Finance (@Kalshi_Finance) July 8, 2026

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Ironically, the "Magnificent 7" are all heavily involved in Data Center projects.

NVIDIA Corporation
Apple Inc.
Alphabet Inc.
Microsoft Corporation
Amazon.com, Inc.
Meta Platforms, Inc.
Tesla, Inc.

Any company involved in AI will be pushing heavily for data centers. They go together. The big concern is the degree to which these companies spy on us, the amount of private data the gather, and how much they share it with each other or with some govt entity (including foreign). There is no reason China should have any data on ordinary US citizens.

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Any company involved in AI will be pushing heavily for data centers. They go together. The big concern is the degree to which these companies spy on us, the amount of private data the gather, and how much they share it with each other or with some govt entity (including foreign). There is no reason China should have any data on ordinary US citizens.

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reasonable concern, given what Tech industry did to "cancel" Republican voices for a number of years. The response is to engage in sound policy, not to stop all the data centers. That would be like outlawing credit cards because some use them irresponsibly, or because the cc companies charge too much interest, rather than amending bankruptcy and usury laws appropriately to maintain proper market function.

That said, the "any company" thing is not exactly correct. EVERY company engaged in business will be pushing heavily for data centers, for reasons I have outline previously. At the risk of oversimplification, Data Centers do five basic things: AI, Compute, Operate, Transact, Store. And we are already seeing a division of labor - DC tend to be focused on one rather than all of those things (with some overlap between them).

Who needs the "Store?" Anybody who needs to retain or manipulate records. That's every company on the planet, particularly legal and service businesses.

Who needs the "Operate?" Any one who needs software to run their business.....their payroll, their workforce, their purchasing operation, their A/P operation, their warehouse operation, their shipping operation, their sales operation, their advertising operation, etc..... In other words, EVERY company (of any size/significance).

Who needs the "Transact?" Any consumer or company who sells things, purchases things, pays for things. Visa does over 80k transactions per SECOND worldwide. Amazon is a totally on-line business model (and tends to build DCs for its own proprietary use.) Bitcoin mining falls into this category.

Who needs the "Compute?" Anything with significant R&D component - Tech, Pharma, Health Care, Academia, Engineering, etc....

Who needs the "AI?" National security, and all of the above will benefit if not play.

The weirdest thing about the DC controversy is the presumption that Data Centers are some kind of pathological threat to humanity. The DC opponents have conjured up a boogeyman, tapping into a primal human fight/flight response. Here's reality: DCs are not some new and rapacious force loosed on the planet for the purpose of exterminating mankind. They're just the infrastructure upon which economy operates, without which our economy would come to a screeching halt. Yes, that will take resources....water, power, metals, liquids, etc..... That is, again, not a problem. 80% of the planet is covered by water. We will never run out of it. Infrastructure for purifying it and transporting it is economic activity that creates jobs and tax base. This is good. We have multiple options to generate power, cheaply and responsibly. Power is a product. Generation of it creates jobs and tax base. This is good. (and on and on and on)

DCs are the lifeblood of the economy of the future.

"Every company" is better than "any company". I stand corrected.

I gave mixed feelings about data centers. I know they are the new "thing", cutting edge technology with potential economically and otherwise. I also know how easily they can be abused and likely will be abused by careless governments & power hungry politicians (most of them). People's fears are justified (huge demands on water, energy, & other resources), corrupting local politicians, etc.

Sometimes those fears are exaggerated because people have seen the Terminator movies. I do believe that the potential for large scale infringement of our rights is very possible and likely. We need only look at what Big Tech has already done, as you reminded us, and what the powerful did during covid to see that obvious fact.

Feels like this has been the way ever since Covid. Covid or war gives an excuse and cover to inflate prices...once the disruption goes away or becomes manageable prices do not come back down to reflect that.

Delta says ticket prices aren’t coming down, despite the cost of jet fuel falling.

Delta's revenue was up over $17 billion last quarter, with profits topping $1 billion.

The airline has also raised ticket prices 10-20% on most routes this year, and hiked bag fees.

— More Perfect Union (@MorePerfectUS) July 10, 2026

** sigh **

OK, here's another perspective:

We have to start with the fact that government makes almost everything work worse, cost more, and hurt good people. The whole idea that we need to restrict government is not irrational hatred but a very rational memory of the harms done to us. And Data Centers very much depend on government support and favors. So from the start, there are very good reasons to mistrust all these Data Center (DC)constructions.

Now let's look at the process. As a general rule, the more impact a project has on the public, the larger the accountability by project owners has to be. It's plain that these data centers have a heavy impact on public utilities, and these are not trivial. It's also plain by now that the political authorities deciding on DC approval are hiding negotiations from the public. If nothing else, that's piss-poor optics because it creates a sense of dirty tricks.

The DC advocates keep promising how DCs are going to be worthwhile for the public. But up to now, there is no evidence at all to support that; nothing but promises with zero commitment, while we are already seeing damage done to the environment (water) and in higher costs for people living in the places DCs are built. There have been grass-roots protests, and frankly a lot of evasion by government officials. Again, it creates a clear sense that the politicians have colluded with DC companies, and the outrage by citizens has been ignored, which is incredibly stupid.

If DCs are to have a place in the US going forward, there needs to be clear accountability, the cost and timing need to include public debate and discussion, and if DCs are truly going to provide benefits to the public, those benefits need to be clearly identified and committed to in writing.

Unless and until that happens, it is right and reasonable to block construction and expansion of those DCs.

JUST IN: SpaceX lost $1 trillion in market cap since last month

— Kalshi (@Kalshi) July 10, 2026

It is the same pattern tesla and paypal did.

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It is the same pattern tesla and paypal did.

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yet, Tesla and Paypal have endured and thrived.

more on positive trends in the economy....

Totally predictable! https://t.co/MnWQp1ZCNC

— Marc Andreessen 🇺🇸 (@pmarca) July 11, 2026

Paypal, yes. Tesla? Tesla needed massive Government assistance pushing electric cars under Biden and fuel prices to rise to make it. You guys overlook Musks' reliance and playing of the Federal Government for his uses. SpaceX and DOGE is the latest example. But Govt is bad... Unless you are profiting from it. But that is different than education, health care and helping anyone that isn't a Company owner.

How much subsidies, tax breaks and Grants your company recieving?

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Paypal, yes. Tesla? Tesla needed massive Government assistance pushing electric cars under Biden and fuel prices to rise to make it. You guys overlook Musks' reliance and playing of the Federal Government for his uses. SpaceX and DOGE is the latest example. But Govt is bad... Unless you are profiting from it. But that is different than education, health care and helping anyone that isn't a Company owner.

How much subsidies, tax breaks and Grants your company recieving?

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SpaceX reliance on the government is an interesting way of putting it. The NASA grants seem to have been a great investment based on the product created. NASA hands out money to develop new launch systems. SpaceX delivers a product that reduces the cost of putting a pound in orbit by about 90 percent. If you are going to hand out tax dollars to companies, it would be great if all government grants to companies produced that kind of result! I would also suspect that there is a benefit to a lot more people than the company owner for the price of putting a pound in orbit to fall so drastically. So, with regard to SpaceX, saying that played the federal government for his interests doesn't seem to really capture the entirety of what happened.

If you have a company out there that we can offer a federal grant and they will cut the cost of healthcare by 90 percent it might be worth considering.

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** sigh **

OK, here's another perspective:

We have to start with the fact that government makes almost everything work worse, cost more, and hurt good people. The whole idea that we need to restrict government is not irrational hatred but a very rational memory of the harms done to us. And Data Centers very much depend on government support and favors. So from the start, there are very good reasons to mistrust all these Data Center (DC) constructions.
No, DCs do not depend on "government support and favors" to be viable. Yes, DCs do often get state/local tax abatements (for limited periods of time), but then so does every other private sector company making a significant investment in a new area. Yes, DCs do have government contracts - they use DCs to process tax returns, receive/make payments, store and process data, etc..... But so does every other company in the private sector. The fallacy you commit here is to conflate government not being terribly efficient at anything ergo a drag on everything (a concept to which I am rarely inclined to disagree with) and also are a major data center customer, ergo we should punish data centers. Well, let's do some basic reducto ad absurdum. Government (local/state/fed) is the largest employer in the country. Should we mistrust and tighlty restrict employment? Government is the largest owner of real estate in the country. Should we mistrust and tightly restrict real estate? Government is a major purchaser of electricity (by virtue of being the largest property owner). Should we mistrust and restrict electricity? Should we put a moratorium on all those things until we can do more research to understand them better?

Now let's look at the process. As a general rule, the more impact a project has on the public, the larger the accountability by project owners has to be. It's plain that these data centers have a heavy impact on public utilities, and these are not trivial.
You are saying that increased demand for electricity is a bad thing. I say it is a good thing. It is a sign of a growing economy that should (and will if policy does not frustrate) lead to more investment in electrical generation. And Trump admin has killed subsidies for wind/solar, so new generation will be cheaper. DCs are part of the solution to rising energy prices, not a cause of them. Fact is, energy prices are driven by policy, not demand. Literally, the big correlation in electrical cost (and rate of increase) is whether a state is red or blue.

Higher Electricity Rates In Blue States Linked To Renewable Energy Policieshttps://t.co/KcfyIQ6TFf

— hennypennybeck (@hennypennybeck) July 10, 2026

It's also plain by now that the political authorities deciding on DC approval are hiding negotiations from the public. If nothing else, that's piss-poor optics because it creates a sense of dirty tricks.
No, it's not. There's no serious federal negotiation on DC projects. There is a LOT of negotiation at state & local level, just as there always has been.....primarily on the inherent competition between states and between municipalities resulting in abatement offers. Only thing new here is public outrage that the process as it has always worked is now somehow magically nefarious. The appropriate rebuttal is to note that final deals are posted publicly, with public hearings and public votes. All written commo between government and companies is subject to open records requests. Isn't that enough? Do we really want to demand transparency that reveals proprietary information (to include the fact that a company is even considering a location/relocation)? Do we really want to get people all spun up over a deal that will not happen (because most such scenarios in fact do not result in a deal).
Again, you are not thinking clearly here.

The DC advocates keep promising how DCs are going to be worthwhile for the public.
DCs are a private sector activity. Their worth is determined by market forces. Do we really want to let government to vote on whether SUVs are "worthwhile" (ergo appropriate to allow into the marketplace)? The public was wildly opposed to railroads 150yrs ago. Have they not proven their worth? (and on and on and on.....) Do we really want to have public votes to ratify every private sector decision, right down to each sale of products? (do you really need that new dress, purse, boat, swimming pool, etc.....)
But up to now, there is no evidence at all to support that; nothing but promises with zero commitment, while we are already seeing damage done to the environment (water) and in higher costs for people living in the places DCs are built.
What planet are you living on? We have 4500 DCs in the country right now. The economy would literally seize up worse than Covid without them. No company could operate more than a few hours without them. They are necessary for almost every aspect of our economy, from bookkeeping to purchasing to warehouse management to A/P processing to payroll to bills of lading to sales and on and on and on. Almost every aspect of the economy is existentially tied to them. You are acting like we are in a threshold and have a choice; reality is that we are continuing the logical building of an internet based world economy. Literally, every time you swipe your credit card, you use a data center, and on and on and on right down to reading this post on this website, which would not be possible without a Data Center. Sic'em365 does not reside in a server in the garage of its founder. It lives on a data center.

At every great technological leap in the economy, the public has reacted (predictably) with Luddist fear. And at every time, conventional wisdom was categorically bone headed. The changes massively benefitted everyone. The same will be true this go around.

There have been grass-roots protests, and frankly a lot of evasion by government officials. Again, it creates a clear sense that the politicians have colluded with DC companies, and the outrage by citizens has been ignored, which is incredibly stupid.
Man, I have heard hundreds of rants over the last several months. Stood in front of very angry, I mean spittle-spewing angry crowds and spoken very unpopular truth. Not a single time have I heard someone mention the federal government. The anger is much more focused on the local level. I haven't ignored what I've heard. I've researched it. And none of it panned out. Almost every single issue failed the first or second source of facts. Water is a great example. DCs use a fraction of what Golf Courses use. The one project I'm working with will use, literally, 1/1000th of the daily flow of the river in our area. That river is as yet untouched due to low quality (high treatment costs) leading to total lack of infrastructure to deliver it anywhere. The DC is going to put in the infrastructure to bring it to their location, thereby installing a network of water distribution that as many as 8 water systems will be able to touch, most of which are on well sources already in steep secular decline. The data centers ARE A SOLUTION to our water issues (which in nearly all cases are infrastructure problems not supply problems).

What is most amazing about it is, the critics are invariably wrong. And not just wrong as in "off target." They are 180 degrees wrong. They are literally defining as the enemy that which will solve the very problems they are worried about.

And that's before we get to misinformation about how much water DCs actually use. That Stargate project in Abilene is frequently cited as evidence of "the DCs are draining our aquifers!" I talked to the ERCOT Chairman on Monday. He gave me the actual water use numbers (which I jotted down on the back of an envelope) - 8 million gallons to fill their system; 2 million gallons PER YEAR in total use. (in a city that treats 22mgd per day of water for human use). That's what a closed loop coolant system in an arid area can do. It will be noisier than a water cooled system, but it's not near any residences, so the noise isn't a problem.

If DCs are to have a place in the US going forward, there needs to be clear accountability...
There is accountability - bankers, insurers, investors, stockholders, corporate officers, etc....all of whom expect to see a return on investment by profitable business operations subject to compliance with all applicable laws. What other accountability should we expect from a private sector enterprise?
....the cost and timing need to include public debate and discussion.....
Why should DCs get any special scrutiny over other companies? Is comparing a 500ac DC project to a 10ac industrial project really fair/helpful in a context where that 10ac industrial facility is one of 50 industrial facilities in a 500ac industrial park? (of course not). I'm literally staring that one in the face at the moment. Isn't a 500ac DC project a new industrial park? And will anyone compare the water use of that 500ac DC to water use to the total water use in the existing 500ac industrial park in our area? (of course not, because the DC will likely come out looking like a champ.) Data on that is hard to come by, because cities are not required to post water use statistics. But I have no doubt how that data will look (per dollar of investment, DC water use is miserly compared to other industries.....particularly golf courses).
and if DCs are truly going to provide benefits to the public, those benefits need to be clearly identified and committed to in writing.
What other private sector companies do we require such from?
Do you realize you have conceptually nationalized the data center industry?

Unless and until that happens, it is right and reasonable to block construction and expansion of those DCs.
You're angry that your electric bill went up so you're going to block construction of new electrical generation?

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Your premises are wrong, and your reasoning is flawed.
Here's how you find your way out of the briar patch.
Presume every critique you've read is wrong. (because nearly all of them are).
Hold DCs to the same standard as any other private sector business.
Look at what their investments can accomplish in terms of infrastructure.

DCs are the internet.
DCs are "the cloud."
DCs are the critical infrastructure of modernity itself.
They are equally as important as water and power.

The greatest irony of all? Data center opponents using data centers to fight data centers. Literally using Facebook and Instagram, which exist solely in data centers, to organize and fight data centers.

The outrate on DCs has gone thru the looking glass.

Luddism lives.
It is an exponentially greater threat to our way of life than DCs.
Fight it.

Hey, I have no problem with Government playing a role. I have a problem with hypocrisy. this is the same guy that went in and cut Ebola treatment and other moneys for research he didn't like, then took it for himself.

Government spending was evil, unless it is what they want. No matter that others may disagree, they know best. If Elon or Trump can make money, it is good US will fund, like crypto. If it is not, like Ebola or health issues it is wasteful.

We are seeing it with Data Centers right now, WR will tell us ANY price is worth paying. Brownouts, water supply issues, noise issues it don't matter. Why? Because he is making money off it, it is his job to tell us and get us in line. His bonuses rely on it. One of thousands, CEOs and the "C-Suite" is gutting America and making a fortune.

Debt is still growing. Next we will cut education, a waste. (we have inner city schools not performing, cut it all) Health care, everyone should pay for their own (MRI is 2K, don't you have that in savings?) The people telling this crowd how good all this is, are making money hand over fist and laughing.

If MAGA don't get that by now, there is little hope.