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In reply to FLBear5630 • 8:32p, 9/7/26
FLBear5630 said:
Oldbear83 said:
FLBear5630 said:
whiterock said:
The spin is a for you and JR. the facts are that the public agrees with the policy decision to (finally) deal with the Iranian problem. (See below). They are frustrated that the policy has not yet reached the desired outcome. (Numerous presidential approval numbers).

Trump has a sound approach, one successfully used by powers great and small for millennia: starve out an entrenched opponent. It is not the quickest approach and I think (as I have posted before) he has not been aggressive enough. But the thing we all can agree upon is that the outcome doesn't actually matter to the neverTrumpers, who must ratify their hate by looking victory in the mouth and calling it defeat.


kneecap? Geez, we have become a thug nation.

Telling that you auto-take Iran's side.


How is commenting on using the term "kneecapping" taking Iran's side? Thug language is now how we talk to world as a Nation. When you getting your gold teeth?

You have absolutely no concept of context in these issues, son. You make a caricature of your opinion when you obsess on minutia and ignore the bigger point.
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12:52a, 9/8/26
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 4:43a, 9/8/26
Oldbear83 said:
FLBear5630 said:
Oldbear83 said:
FLBear5630 said:
whiterock said:
The spin is a for you and JR. the facts are that the public agrees with the policy decision to (finally) deal with the Iranian problem. (See below). They are frustrated that the policy has not yet reached the desired outcome. (Numerous presidential approval numbers).

Trump has a sound approach, one successfully used by powers great and small for millennia: starve out an entrenched opponent. It is not the quickest approach and I think (as I have posted before) he has not been aggressive enough. But the thing we all can agree upon is that the outcome doesn't actually matter to the neverTrumpers, who must ratify their hate by looking victory in the mouth and calling it defeat.


kneecap? Geez, we have become a thug nation.

Telling that you auto-take Iran's side.


How is commenting on using the term "kneecapping" taking Iran's side? Thug language is now how we talk to world as a Nation. When you getting your gold teeth?

You have absolutely no concept of context in these issues, son. You make a caricature of your opinion when you obsess on minutia and ignore the bigger point.


Sin, kiss my ass dick-head.

So you are good describing US foreign policy as a mob hit? That is how the US conducts policy, we kneecap people.Do you even know what it means?
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In reply to RD2WINAGNBEAR86 • 6:51a, 9/8/26
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
whiterock said:
The spin is a for you and JR. the facts are that the public agrees with the policy decision to (finally) deal with the Iranian problem. (See below). They are frustrated that the policy has not yet reached the desired outcome. (Numerous presidential approval numbers).

Trump has a sound approach, one successfully used by powers great and small for millennia: starve out an entrenched opponent. It is not the quickest approach and I think (as I have posted before) he has not been aggressive enough. But the thing we all can agree upon is that the outcome doesn't actually matter to the neverTrumpers, who must ratify their hate by looking victory in the mouth and calling it defeat.




Iran did not control the Strait of Hormuz before Trump launched his war against Iran. Most voters want Trump to fix what he has broken. Not sure I would call that "winning", but okay.

typically geo-politically illiterate take.

Any state located in/near a strait always has a large measure of control over it via the implied threat to shut it down entirely, inflicting great direct and indirect costs (political, geopolitical, economic) on its adversaries. Literally, Iran used that power to deter regional and greater powers from interdicting it's nuclear program - no one was willing to bear the costs we see today, given that the Iranian nuclear capability was until very recently so far out into the future.

The problem Iran now faces is that actually taking action to blockade the strait forces markets to re-route. UAE and Saudi have diverted significant percentages of their oil/gas exports westward via pipelines. Iraq is behind but headed the same direction. And Oman dredged out a canal thru it's littoral allowing tankers to bypass the strait altogether. As a result, trade flows in/out of the Persian gulf are approaching 90% of pre-war levels. And of course, Iranian blockade of the strait also invites greater powers to respond and degrade it. Trump actually flipped the script - using the US Navy to enforce a far more effective blockade of Iranian trade thru the strait. So, ironically, Iranian action to exploit its geopolitical leverage over the straight has not only directly undermined the geopolitical importance of the strait (thereby reducing Iranian power), it has turned the strait into a strategic Iranian weakness - at as of this date, only Iran is dependent upon the strait for oil/gas imports. And only Iran is totally unable to use it. This it will be their undoing:

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In reply to FLBear5630 • 7:16a, 9/8/26
Your choice off words tells us your venom is deciding what to post.

You use words like that in confession, do ya?
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 9:41a, 9/8/26
Oldbear83 said:
Your choice off words tells us your venom is deciding what to post.

You use words like that in confession, do ya?

You condone "kneecapping' as part of US policy? Are we now the IRA, let's stay political not criminal.

What church do you go to that requires confession for "d-head"? At least you are responding like a person again and not just a Bannon-bot. Confession is worth it for that.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 10:43a, 9/8/26
FLBear5630 said:
Oldbear83 said:
Your choice off words tells us your venom is deciding what to post.

You use words like that in confession, do ya?

You condone "kneecapping' as part of US policy? Are we now the IRA, let's stay political not criminal.

What church do you go to that requires confession for "d-head"? At least you are responding like a person again and not just a Bannon-bot. Confession is worth it for that.


Knee-capping is a figure of speech. In reality, that's what sanctions, whether against Russia, Iran, or Rhodesia, are designed, metaphorically, to do.
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In reply to D. C. Bear • 11:08a, 9/8/26
More mental gymnastics from our resident liberal clown, Flunaticbear
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In reply to D. C. Bear • 12:08p, 9/8/26
D. C. Bear said:
FLBear5630 said:
Oldbear83 said:
Your choice off words tells us your venom is deciding what to post.

You use words like that in confession, do ya?

You condone "kneecapping' as part of US policy? Are we now the IRA, let's stay political not criminal.

What church do you go to that requires confession for "d-head"? At least you are responding like a person again and not just a Bannon-bot. Confession is worth it for that.


Knee-capping is a figure of speech. In reality, that's what sanctions, whether against Russia, Iran, or Rhodesia, are designed, metaphorically, to do.

Geez, you are in DC. You know what I am talking about.

No one is saying not to conduct the operations or the sanctions.

You guys really don't give a **** whether we sound like a mob-boss and have the diplomatic skills of a slug.

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In reply to FLBear5630 • 12:32p, 9/8/26
They're going to keep pretending to miss the forest for the trees. They'll focus on this business about the "kneecap" language and pretend to not hear Trump's myriad other statements where he literally lays out his desired global protection racket.

It's honestly a deviously admirable tactic: they'll strip out all context to argue semantics in a vacuum, and thereby bypass the whole point of the discussion. Like when someone says Trump advised injecting bleach or whatever, they'll argue (correctly) that he didn't say exactly that, and just breeze past the fact that someone who is not a medical professional suggested injecting disinfectant into people lungs like it was something feasible.

Same thing is happening here, they'd rather nitpick about word usage ("kneecap") than acknowledge what is actually going on.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 12:41p, 9/8/26
FLBear5630 said:
D. C. Bear said:
FLBear5630 said:
Oldbear83 said:
Your choice off words tells us your venom is deciding what to post.

You use words like that in confession, do ya?

You condone "kneecapping' as part of US policy? Are we now the IRA, let's stay political not criminal.

What church do you go to that requires confession for "d-head"? At least you are responding like a person again and not just a Bannon-bot. Confession is worth it for that.


Knee-capping is a figure of speech. In reality, that's what sanctions, whether against Russia, Iran, or Rhodesia, are designed, metaphorically, to do.

Geez, you are in DC. You know what I am talking about.

No one is saying not to conduct the operations or the sanctions.

You guys really don't give a **** whether we sound like a mob-boss and have the diplomatic skills of a slug.



Nope.
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In reply to D. C. Bear • 2:01p, 9/8/26
D. C. Bear said:
FLBear5630 said:
D. C. Bear said:
FLBear5630 said:
Oldbear83 said:
Your choice off words tells us your venom is deciding what to post.

You use words like that in confession, do ya?

You condone "kneecapping' as part of US policy? Are we now the IRA, let's stay political not criminal.

What church do you go to that requires confession for "d-head"? At least you are responding like a person again and not just a Bannon-bot. Confession is worth it for that.


Knee-capping is a figure of speech. In reality, that's what sanctions, whether against Russia, Iran, or Rhodesia, are designed, metaphorically, to do.

Geez, you are in DC. You know what I am talking about.

No one is saying not to conduct the operations or the sanctions.

You guys really don't give a **** whether we sound like a mob-boss and have the diplomatic skills of a slug.



Nope.

Ok, your posts make more sense now.
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In reply to whiterock • 2:23p, 9/8/26
whiterock said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
whiterock said:
The spin is a for you and JR. the facts are that the public agrees with the policy decision to (finally) deal with the Iranian problem. (See below). They are frustrated that the policy has not yet reached the desired outcome. (Numerous presidential approval numbers).

Trump has a sound approach, one successfully used by powers great and small for millennia: starve out an entrenched opponent. It is not the quickest approach and I think (as I have posted before) he has not been aggressive enough. But the thing we all can agree upon is that the outcome doesn't actually matter to the neverTrumpers, who must ratify their hate by looking victory in the mouth and calling it defeat.




Iran did not control the Strait of Hormuz before Trump launched his war against Iran. Most voters want Trump to fix what he has broken. Not sure I would call that "winning", but okay.

typically geo-politically illiterate take.

Any state located in/near a strait always has a large measure of control over it via the implied threat to shut it down entirely, inflicting great direct and indirect costs (political, geopolitical, economic) on its adversaries. Literally, Iran used that power to deter regional and greater powers from interdicting it's nuclear program - no one was willing to bear the costs we see today, given that the Iranian nuclear capability was until very recently so far out into the future.

The problem Iran now faces is that actually taking action to blockade the strait forces markets to re-route. UAE and Saudi have diverted significant percentages of their oil/gas exports westward via pipelines. Iraq is behind but headed the same direction. And Oman dredged out a canal thru it's littoral allowing tankers to bypass the strait altogether. As a result, trade flows in/out of the Persian gulf are approaching 90% of pre-war levels. And of course, Iranian blockade of the strait also invites greater powers to respond and degrade it. Trump actually flipped the script - using the US Navy to enforce a far more effective blockade of Iranian trade thru the strait. So, ironically, Iranian action to exploit its geopolitical leverage over the straight has not only directly undermined the geopolitical importance of the strait (thereby reducing Iranian power), it has turned the strait into a strategic Iranian weakness - at as of this date, only Iran is dependent upon the strait for oil/gas imports. And only Iran is totally unable to use it. This it will be their undoing:


Iran's nuclear threat was far out in the future? I've never heard that from a neocon before. It's been weeks or months away for about four decades now.

I would take the rest of it with a grain of salt. Many ships have likely gone dark and used various other tactics to evade interdiction. We don't have nearly enough ships to form a tight net.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 2:32p, 9/8/26
According to a recent estimate, US sanctions have killed 38 million people since the 1970s. That puts us in the same league with some of the cruelest totalitarian states of the 20th century. So "kneecapping" is not too strong a term.
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In reply to D. C. Bear • 5:15p, 9/8/26
D. C. Bear said:
FLBear5630 said:
Oldbear83 said:
Your choice off words tells us your venom is deciding what to post.

You use words like that in confession, do ya?

You condone "kneecapping' as part of US policy? Are we now the IRA, let's stay political not criminal.

What church do you go to that requires confession for "d-head"? At least you are responding like a person again and not just a Bannon-bot. Confession is worth it for that.


Knee-capping is a figure of speech. In reality, that's what sanctions, whether against Russia, Iran, or Rhodesia, are designed, metaphorically, to do.

As soon as Trump is mentioned, the squirrel running the wheel in FLBear's brain goes feral and feels compelled to attack.

All proportion and context is ignored, as FLBear seeks a way to go after his personal bogeyman.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 5:19p, 9/8/26
We already know you like rooting for terrorist regimes. Why say it again?
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