Afghanistan What a tragedy!

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TexasScientist said:

GoldMind said:

Jack Bauer said:

For you youngins, go look up Ronald Reagan foreign policy speeches on YouTube and you will be blown away.


Ah yes the Russian boogeymen. I remember.
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Boogey woogie wu
Winning by cheating is just as impressive as winning fairly, probably even more so. Your opponent was better than you in every way, and you beat them with your brain.
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Whiskey Pete
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Jacques Strap said:







***? Can we please get rid of the children in the white house and get some damn grown ups in there to fix it?
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Chris Wallace: "Does the president not know what's going on?"

Blinken: "This is an incredibly emotional time for many of us. . ."

Jack Bauer
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"ignorant public" coming from the "sophisticated" media

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Jack Bauer said:

"ignorant public" coming from the "sophisticated" media




Isn't she one of the sophisticated who preferred that Joe Biden be elected? She shall not lecture or condescend to the right.
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US leadership sucks but US troops are awesome.
Scroll to video "US soldier distributes water to children near the entrance to Kabul Airport"

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Buddha Bear said:

Carlos Cruz said:

cms186 said:

fadskier said:

Waco1947 said:

Taliban is reasserting control. 20 years and 2,500 American deaths.
Thanks to Biden.
Trump is the guy who okayed the withdrawal of any remaining US forces in Afghanistan, but i guess you dont want to blame him?
I blame Bush & Co. Nation Building is for countries that had a nation before we started dropping bombs on them.


I blame every administration since the Vietnam war. The last war worth fighting was the Korean War. Since then it's all been deception and unnecessary intervention.

This Afghanistan debacle will just create another generation of angry forgotten Afghan men in about 10 years, which will inevitably become terrorists
When Al Qaeda flew planes into the Trade Center, should we have just let it go?
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I hope the US is doing this covertly, so Taliban do not know it is going on. I'm sure US special forces on the ground want to do it if they are allowed.

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bularry said:

4th and Inches said:

Huge issue during Obama administration, not so much an issue during the Trump administration, becoming a huge issue again in the Biden administration. I may be reaching here but I think there is a common thread..
explain. how was it not an issue in Trump's admin? Biden is doing what Trump had in his platform.. which is ironic

it is not the withdrawal; it is the manner in much this has occurred and the ineptness revealed at every level, especially the military command.
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bularry said:

4th and Inches said:

Huge issue during Obama administration, not so much an issue during the Trump administration, becoming a huge issue again in the Biden administration. I may be reaching here but I think there is a common thread..
explain. how was it not an issue in Trump's admin? Biden is doing what Trump had in his platform.. which is ironic

tone deaf and clueless post.
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4th and Inches said:

bularry said:

4th and Inches said:

Huge issue during Obama administration, not so much an issue during the Trump administration, becoming a huge issue again in the Biden administration. I may be reaching here but I think there is a common thread..
explain. how was it not an issue in Trump's admin? Biden is doing what Trump had in his platform.. which is ironic

tone deaf and clueless post.
As someone observed a few days ago, a number of people are still in Stage 1 - Denial
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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Osodecentx said:

Buddha Bear said:

Carlos Cruz said:

cms186 said:

fadskier said:

Waco1947 said:

Taliban is reasserting control. 20 years and 2,500 American deaths.
Thanks to Biden.
Trump is the guy who okayed the withdrawal of any remaining US forces in Afghanistan, but i guess you dont want to blame him?
I blame Bush & Co. Nation Building is for countries that had a nation before we started dropping bombs on them.


I blame every administration since the Vietnam war. The last war worth fighting was the Korean War. Since then it's all been deception and unnecessary intervention.

This Afghanistan debacle will just create another generation of angry forgotten Afghan men in about 10 years, which will inevitably become terrorists
When Al Qaeda flew planes into the Trade Center, should we have just let it go?


To be fair, AlQaeda isn't a country, and once we killed him we still hung around.
Winning by cheating is just as impressive as winning fairly, probably even more so. Your opponent was better than you in every way, and you beat them with your brain.
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GoldMind said:

Osodecentx said:

Buddha Bear said:

Carlos Cruz said:

cms186 said:

fadskier said:

Waco1947 said:

Taliban is reasserting control. 20 years and 2,500 American deaths.
Thanks to Biden.
Trump is the guy who okayed the withdrawal of any remaining US forces in Afghanistan, but i guess you dont want to blame him?
I blame Bush & Co. Nation Building is for countries that had a nation before we started dropping bombs on them.


I blame every administration since the Vietnam war. The last war worth fighting was the Korean War. Since then it's all been deception and unnecessary intervention.

This Afghanistan debacle will just create another generation of angry forgotten Afghan men in about 10 years, which will inevitably become terrorists
When Al Qaeda flew planes into the Trade Center, should we have just let it go?


To be fair, AlQaeda isn't a country, and once we killed him we still hung around.
W was gone in Jan 2009.

If you're saying that the USA should have left earlier, I agree
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Afghanistan: Taliban warns there will be 'consequences' if Biden delays withdrawal of US troops


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Taliban spokesperson Dr Suhail Shaheen said: "It's a red line. President Biden announced that on 31 August they would withdraw all their military forces. So if they extend it that means they are extending occupation while there is no need for that."

He added: "If the US or UK were to seek additional time to continue evacuations - the answer is no. Or there would be consequences.

Shaheen did not elaborate on what consequences Western soldiers would face in the event that their leader ordered them to remain in the country.
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GoldMind
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Osodecentx said:

GoldMind said:

Osodecentx said:

Buddha Bear said:

Carlos Cruz said:

cms186 said:

fadskier said:

Waco1947 said:

Taliban is reasserting control. 20 years and 2,500 American deaths.
Thanks to Biden.
Trump is the guy who okayed the withdrawal of any remaining US forces in Afghanistan, but i guess you dont want to blame him?
I blame Bush & Co. Nation Building is for countries that had a nation before we started dropping bombs on them.


I blame every administration since the Vietnam war. The last war worth fighting was the Korean War. Since then it's all been deception and unnecessary intervention.

This Afghanistan debacle will just create another generation of angry forgotten Afghan men in about 10 years, which will inevitably become terrorists
When Al Qaeda flew planes into the Trade Center, should we have just let it go?


To be fair, AlQaeda isn't a country, and once we killed him we still hung around.
W was gone in Jan 2009.

If you're saying that the USA should have left earlier, I agree


We should have began a planned evacuation and withdrawal starting May 3rd 2011.
Winning by cheating is just as impressive as winning fairly, probably even more so. Your opponent was better than you in every way, and you beat them with your brain.
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The Editorial Board USA TODAY

Kabul could turn into President Biden's Katrina if Afghanistan evacuation fails U.S. citizens

President George W. Bush's leadership suffered irreparable damage in 2005 when tens of thousands in New Orleans were seemingly abandoned by the federal government after Hurricane Katrina flooded the city.

A dangerous analog is shaping up for President Joe Biden in Kabul and across Afghanistan. There are 10,000 to 15,000 U.S. citizens in homes or hideaways eager to escape. But all that Biden has offered them is this: Take your chances with the Taliban. Venture into the street and make your way to the U.S.-controlled airport in Kabul, which closed Saturday because of a backup at an air base in Qatar. Then we'll bring you home.

That's the best offer the world's most powerful military can make to its citizens in the aftermath of a Taliban takeover of the country, spawned by Biden's decision to pull U.S. troops out of Afghanistan without adequate preparation.
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I hope the fact this has been reported does not cause it to stop. Suspect the ambassador is getting paid well by the US for doing this but that's a cost of a FUBAR evacuation.


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Jacques Strap said:

I hope the fact this has been reported does not cause it to stop. Suspect the ambassador is getting paid well by the US for doing this but that's a cost of a FUBAR evacuation.



Qatar trying to make themselves look like humanitarians leading up to World Cup '22.
Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
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Nevermind the fact that I assure you we are paying for the privilege. Regardless, good on them for assisting.
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Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn are scrambling to protect Afghan users


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Since the Taliban gained control of Kabul this week, people across Afghanistan have started scrubbing their social media accounts to shield themselves from potential retaliation. A number of tech companies have taken steps to help protect users who might be associated with Western countries or the fallen Afghan governmentthe type of people who have previously been targeted by the Taliban.

On Thursday, Facebook's head of security policy shared on Twitter that the company had restricted the ability to view and search friends lists for users based in Afghanistan. Facebook also introduced a "one-click" tool that would allow Afghan citizens to swiftly lock their accounts if necessary. LinkedIn has taken a similar approach by temporarily disabling the ability to view connections for all users in Afghanistan.

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What's the bottle neck?
Rules of Engagement? Processing capacity? Air lift capacity ( including surge capacity if there is a window of opportunity)?
Are we able to communicate with Americans held up outside the airport? How many people are we moving out per day?

If it is 15,000 people and we have until 8/31, we need to be moving over 2,000 people a day, that's just Americans. Are the Brits and French picking up Americans as well if they run across them?

What's the estimate for the number of fighters the Taliban have in Kabul? Is there or should there be a contingency plan to arm the hostages?

Any chance Saleh's forces can reach Kabul as a relief force? What's their strength?
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Who are the Taliban letting past their check points? Why are they letting them by?
Why aren't we just taking everyone who wants to leave and gets past Taliban check points and figure out what to do with them later?

Afraid the Taliban is eventually going to stop letting their hostages go free?

Very weird situation. Half hostages, half free, basically in limbo.

Are they trying to gum up the works by letting in refugees they think we'll turn back? Are we risking not getting Americans through because we won't let Afghan refugees in as well?
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10,400 evacuated in the last 24 hours. why the big increase what changed?
4th and Inches
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jupiter said:

10,400 evacuated in the last 24 hours. why the big increase what changed?
Taliban said no extension..
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Dont remember who posted it but..

Biden's national security advisor claimed that Trump didn't process a single special immigrant visa for Afghan allies since March 2020.

This is demonstrably false. Trump admin processed and issued well over 1,000 SIVs to Afghans after March 2020 during the international Covid pandemic.

During just the three-month period between Oct. 1 and Dec. 31, 2020, before the Biden administration took office, 1,321 Afghan SIVs were issued, according to a State Department quarterly report on the program
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At this point can you really believe any rumors regarding Trump
To be true from the democrats ? Or anything g for that matter.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/22/distinguished-persons-week-lets-hear-it-deep-state/
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State Department spokesman Ned Price this week said the Biden administration inherited a special immigrant visa system that had chronic shortages in staffing, lacked a coordinating official and had a bureaucratic 14-step process that was enshrined in statute.USA Today
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Waco1947 said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/22/distinguished-persons-week-lets-hear-it-deep-state/

i was good with it until they started talking about Trump messing up SIV, this is untrue. You can look at states quarterly reports to see it isnt true. Plus remember that some of this "tampering" was during the largest US/global pandemic shutdown in history.
 
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