Afghanistan What a tragedy!

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jupiter
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ATL Bear
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jupiter said:





Stunningly poor decision making here.
Jack Bauer
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Taliban now controls appx 21 of 34 provinces.
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ATL Bear
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The Taliban became more ethnically inclusive about 5 years ago, most importantly expanding with Tajiks. That's how they've become the will of the people, and has been pivotal in their provincial expansion. They're not even having to fight that hard.
LIB,MR BEARS
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This doesn't look like withdrawal

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-increases-us-deployment-afghanistan-200126823.html
Forest Bueller
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Jack Bauer said:

How pathetic can this lady be...women in the US live like queens compared to women in Afghanistan.




Dang this lady is simply insane. Why is she allowed to defame real Christians online with this garbage, when it is simply blatant misinformation. I thought misinformation was supposed to be purged from the internet

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Forest Bueller said:

Jack Bauer said:

How pathetic can this lady be...women in the US live like queens compared to women in Afghanistan.




Dang this lady is simply insane. Why is she allowed to defame real Christians online with this garbage, when it is simply blatant misinformation. I thought misinformation was supposed to be purged from the internet




2020: Republicans will have at least 26 women in the House the most they've ever had and more than double what they have now when the 117th Congress convenes in January.

Of course fear porn sells better.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57933979

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Doc Holliday
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Whiskey Pete
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Forest Bueller said:

Jack Bauer said:

How pathetic can this lady be...women in the US live like queens compared to women in Afghanistan.




Dang this lady is simply insane. Why is she allowed to defame real Christians online with this garbage, when it is simply blatant misinformation. I thought misinformation was supposed to be purged from the internet


So, what are the chances she'll banned on twatter or fakebook?
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cms186 said:

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Waco1947 said:

Taliban is reasserting control. 20 years and 2,500 American deaths.
Thanks to Biden.
Trump is the guy who okayed the withdrawal of any remaining US forces in Afghanistan, but i guess you dont want to blame him?


Trump isn't POTUS, as it turns out. Trump didn't create this humanitarian disaster. Biden did. Biden is solely responsible for the rape and enslavement of little girls in Afghanistan.
HuMcK
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Trump deligitimized the Afghan government by not even inviting them to talks with the Taliban in Qatar. He also reduced our troop presence down to 2500 while simultaneously releasing 5000 Taliban prisoners. He ignored Taliban offensives that were violations of his "conditions". He even criticized Biden for postponing the withdrawal from May to September, saying it should have been done sooner. He literally set the stage for what is happening now, and you are lying to yourself if you think this was ever going to play out any other way under any President.
PartyBear
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It's like blaming Gerald Ford for Vietnam.
Canon
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Trump isn't POTUS. Trump hasn't been POTUS since January. Trump didn't do this. Biden created this disaster. Biden abandoned what are now child slaves and rape victims. Biden owns this because Biden did this.
HuMcK
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So just to be clear, you don't dispute that Trump brokered a very bad "deal", but you say it's Biden's fault for carrying it out and Trump is above reproach on the subject?

Frankly, Biden and Trump both deserve credit for finally leaving Afghan regardless of what the generals wanted. I wish Trump didn't release those prisoners (who essentially form the Taliban officer corps leading the current offensives) or exclude the Afghan gov completely, but everything happening now was always inevitable and it is the epitome of bad faith to blame this all on Biden.
Canon
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Trump isn't POTUS. Biden is POTUS. Biden did this. Biden had 7 months of command and control and new data. Biden did this. Biden is responsible for the rape and enslavement of little girls.
HuMcK
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Lol ok. Bad faith is a core tenet of Trumpism so I'm not surprised to see it emanate from Trumpers. Carry on.
Canon
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Lack of reasoning and childish finger pointing is a hallmark of leftist morons. You elected this fool and he's systematically destroying everything he touches. You desperately want someone else to blame for his failures. You can't have it.

Biden is responsible for the mass rape of little girls. His son will no doubt personally get in on the action ASAP.
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Canon said:

Trump isn't POTUS. Biden is POTUS. Biden did this. Biden had 7 months of command and control and new data. Biden did this. Biden is responsible for the rape and enslavement of little girls.
This isn't Trump's fault.
It is time for us to get out. I think the Biden administration is surprised at how fast this unraveled.
Not sure why it is so important to blame someone else for every bad thing that happens. Let's get our people out and learn from the experience.
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HuMcK said:

So just to be clear, you don't dispute that Trump brokered a very bad "deal", but you say it's Biden's fault for carrying it out and Trump is above reproach on the subject?
Just my opinion,but I truly believe the "blame" for the deplorable situation in Afghanistan falls far and wide. The "mission" began 20 years ago with the attack on 9/11..and our attempt to hold those responsible accountable for that day. With the killing of Osama bin Laden and diminishing the power of Al-Qaeda, we had achieved some measure of success in that mission. What has followed, I believe, has been political posturing by both R's and D's in attempting to rebuild this part of the world to our advantage( some will argue "in our image") in both economic and political methods. It has been , in my opinion, an exercise in futility..as it has been for every other global power that has sought to do exactly the same thing. Blood and treasure has been lost in this region for centuries, and now where are we? Right back into the grip of religious autocrats that arose after the Soviet Union abandoned their failed attempt at communist rule in the region in the 90's..I believe that as of this moment, we are seeing the result of a US administration that simply failed to recognize the power of the Taliban in the region. Our President only last month was saying that it was highly unlikely that the Taliban could/would take power in Afghanistan..Quite simply. he was wrong. I hope and pray that we can safely extricate Americans that are still there as well as our loyal Afghan translators and service personnel that need to get out in order to survive. A tall task in itself.
HuMcK
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You literally just pointed fingers without an ounce of reasoning other than "Biden is President now". In contrast, I provided concrete examples of things and events that led to this, which you just ignore and pretend not to notice. You didn't even bother to say what should have been done differently, just pure childish finger pointing. You're like a satirical performance artist, railing against your own actions projected onto others.

It's both amusing and disheartening how dumb you are sometimes. You even managed to throw in a cheap shot at Biden's son, even though the guy you're defending is the one who has actually been accused of raping a minor, at an Epstein party. Just flat out projection all day every day.
Canon
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HuMcK said:

You literally just pointed fingers without an ounce of reasoning other than "Biden is President now". In contrast, provided concrete examples of things and events that led to this, which you just ignore and pretend not to notice. You're like a satirical performance artist, railing against your own actions projected onto others. It's both amusing and disheartening how dumb you are sometimes.


LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! Biden is POTUS. Trump is not. Biden has complete control of the military as CIC. Biden is responsible for Biden's decisions and Biden's failures. You think that's finger pointing only because you are projecting...you've highlighted everything you have done. You are so incredibly stupid.
HuMcK
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The blame should honestly fall to W. He was the one who invaded, rightly most would say, but he took his eye off the ball and invaded Iraq right after. We should have been there to destroy AQ and Bin Laden, then leave. It took a subsequent admin refocusing back onto the hunt for OBL a decade later to get that done, and after that the drawdown should have started being planned in earnest.
fadskier
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HuMcK "everything, even under the Biden admin, is Trumps fault
HuMcK
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Or maybe just the things he set in motion...

Do you dispute that the deal to leave was struck by Trump? If Trump gets some credit for leaving (he should, Biden too), he also gets credited for how the deal he approved unfolds. Again, it wasn't Biden that excluded the Afghan gov from talks, and it wasn't under Biden that we released 5000 seasoned Taliban prisoners, those were actions taken by Trump.
Doc Holliday
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HuMcK said:

Or maybe just the things he set in motion...

Do you dispute that the deal to leave was struck by Trump? If Trump gets some credit for leaving (he should, Biden too), he also gets credited for how the deal he approved unfolds. Again, it wasn't Biden that excluded the Afghan gov from talks, and it wasn't under Biden that we released 5000 seasoned Taliban prisoners, those were actions taken by Trump.
Damn, 20 years of bogus military intelligence and trillions spent with nothing to show in return and you point the finger at Trump.
HuMcK
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Are you literate? I blamed W just a couple posts up, and credited Trump for leaving. But at the same time, the actions Trump took to get that deal struck are inextricable from what's happening now, and are out of Biden's hands. How else was this ever supposed to play out after we sidelined the Afghan government for negotiations, which was itself a concession to the Taliban?

If you want to dispute any of the factual assertions in my posts, be my guest, except I can't help but notice that nobody has even tried to do that yet, they just re-direct in a different direction like you just did.
Doc Holliday
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HuMcK said:

Are you literate? I blamed W just a couple posts up, and credited Trump for leaving. But at the same time, the actions Trump took to get that deal struck are inextricable from what's happening now, and are out of Biden's hands. How else was this ever supposed to play out after we sidelined the Afghan government?

If you want to dispute any of the factual assertions in my post, be my guest, I can't help but notice that nobody has even tried to do that yet, they just re-direct in a different direction like you just did.
The Afghan government should never have been viewed as a viable option at any point. That you believe the opposite is fatal to your assertions.

Trump negotiated with Kabul and Taliban for a US withdrawal on May 1st. Biden unilaterally reneged on the deal, pushing the date to September 11th. Taliban used this change to garner hard and soft power from Afghan warlords in order to take over.
fadskier
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HuMcK said:

Are you literate? I blamed W just a couple posts up, and credited Trump for leaving. But at the same time, the actions Trump took to get that deal struck are inextricable from what's happening now, and are out of Biden's hands. How else was this ever supposed to play out after we sidelined the Afghan government for negotiations, which was itself a concession to the Taliban?

If you want to dispute any of the factual assertions in my posts, be my guest, except I can't help but notice that nobody has even tried to do that yet, they just re-direct in a different direction like you just did.
so Trump struck a deal...so what? he isn't president and one would hope that Biden is able to assess and make his own decisions.

You blame Trump for covid...are you blaming Biden for what's going on now?
ATL Bear
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The question isn't about the right/wrong of the exit, but the poor planning of the actual departure. I have a friend at the Kabul airport right now. It's getting very real.
HuMcK
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Almost half of the current caseload comes from 2 large states with GOP governors who take pride in fighting Biden on every issue, including COVID, just because, so I mostly blame Abbott and DeSantis for their actions. Biden takes the issue seriously and is trying to get as many people vaccinated as possible so we can finally be done with this stupid virus. In contrast, Trump got blamed for COVID because his dumb ass was on camera suggesting to inject disinfectants and shine UV lights in people's bodies, among other embarrassing episodes like e.g. the time he got sick enough to be hospitalized because of his own carelessness.
 
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