Afghanistan What a tragedy!

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Waco1947 said:

State Department spokesman Ned Price this week said the Biden administration inherited a special immigrant visa system that had chronic shortages in staffing, lacked a coordinating official and had a bureaucratic 14-step process that was enshrined in statute.USA Today
Why didn't Biden just use his special immigrant visa system that he implemented at our southern border? Everybody would be out by now.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

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Waco1947 said:

State Department spokesman Ned Price this week said the Biden administration inherited a special immigrant visa system that had chronic shortages in staffing, lacked a coordinating official and had a bureaucratic 14-step process that was enshrined in statute.USA Today
short staffed due to Covid, Weak sauce on the coordinating official(that is his domain to install a leader and should have been a priority since he knew this was coming and covid shutdown also happened) where did they talk about Biden shutting down the program Trump had set up to oversee alot of this? It was halted in Jan of 21 and canceled in june of 21.

Did Trump create the 14 step process? Biden should have prioritized a change in statute thru his buddies in congress or EOd a temp change to move this along. Leadership solves problems.
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Where are all the journalists who fact checked Trump? They just disappeared and have no interest in fact checking this administration that lies with every third word.
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4th and Inches said:

Waco1947 said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/22/distinguished-persons-week-lets-hear-it-deep-state/

i was good with it until they started talking about Trump messing up SIV, this is untrue. You can look at states quarterly reports to see it isnt true. Plus remember that some of this "tampering" was during the largest US/global pandemic shutdown in history.

I find facts that say Trump messed up.
Like this in Esquire " Over the last decade, Republicans have pushed to intentionally create a massive backlog in the Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) program - the one we use to bring Afghan partners to America, by putting onerous conditions on the applicationsIn 2016, Obama asked to increase the cap for the SIV program. Senate Republicans objected. Then, the Trump Admin started slowing down SIV processing. When Biden took over, there were 10,000 unfilled visas, despite 17,000 applications in the pipeline.
This dovetailed with the assault by Trump and Republicans to destroy other refugee programs that bring Afghans to the U.S. Obama admitted over 2,700 Afghan refugees. Trump admitted 400, bc he had dismantled the refugee system. Biden had to rebuild it.And today Trump Republicans are making it clear they will oppose bringing more Afghan refugees to the U.S.. Steven Miller: "Resettling [Afghans] in America is not about solving a humanitarian crisis; it's about accomplishing an ideological objective to change America."
Quite simply, any report on the "catastrophe" in Afghanistan that doesn't include these facts, especially the involvement of the odious Steven Miller, which continues to this hour, is not worth your time. Any report on the decline in the president's poll numbers that doesn't mention the deliberate efforts to sabotage his administration, and the real human cost of those efforts, can be considered disposable." Pierce is quoting Connecticut Senator Murphy
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a37373715/afghanistan-evacuations-biden-approval-siv-program/
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Makes sense. It seems like it may be easier for Americans miles away from the Airport to move out of Kabul away from the checkpoints to the countryside for pickup. Glad to see today's report.

More US forces helicopter into Kabul for rescue mission: report


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American troops have carried out at least two missions into the beleaguered Afghan capital city of Kabul to ferry US nationals to Hamid Karzai International Airport, Pentagon officials acknowledged Monday operations that appear to contradict repeated White House claims that Americans are having no trouble getting flights home.

In the first known mission, which took place Thursday, 169 Americans were taken on three Chinook helicopters to the airport from a hotel located a little over 200 yards from the gate. While the mission was a success, its necessity raised questions about President Joe Biden's insistence last week that the airport is accessible to Americans despite the presence of Taliban checkpoints.

On Monday, Pentagon press secretary John Kirby said helicopters had been

used on "at least one additional" occasion, but declined to give details. The Associated Press reported later in the day that 16 Americans were picked up from a location about two hours away from the airport.
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There are two sides to every story.

Newsweek: Afghan Military Officers: We Fought Hard but Biden 'Abandoned' Us

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The army officer is one of several Afghan officers interviewed by mobile phone during the siege and fall of Kabul.

He explained why he thinks the blame lies with Biden, not the Afghan president or the Afghan army. The Afghan army relied on a network of planes and helicopters to deliver food, fuel, and ammunition to outlying outposts. Helicopters were needed to ferry the wounded and deliver replacement soldiers. Even the bases on Kabul's mountainous approaches had to be supplied by helicopters.

While the Afghan Army had one of Central Asia's largest fleet of choppers, he said, virtually all the mechanics and maintenance crew were U.S. contractors, many of which were withdrawn months ago. Helicopter repair facilities and spare-parts warehouses were largely located at Bagram Air Base, which was shuttered by the U.S. military several weeks before the Taliban took control. Fuel, once delivered by the U.S., was also in short supply. "The Americans abandoned us," the 36-year-old Afghan National Army lieutenant colonel told Zenger. "The plan was not to abandon a country in a situation like this."

From Washington, the Afghan defeat is seen as a lack of willpower. Biden had "said in July that the Afghan military had the capability to fight the Taliban," he said Sunday. "But they had to demonstrate the will. Sadly, that will did not materialize." Biden's speech mirrored a talking points memo that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi distributed to fellow Democrats on Monday.

The Afghans see their defeat as stemming from a lack of logistics, not a shortage of fighting spirit. The U.S. "did not give us the opportunity to reorganize the requirements for our defense and security forces, or to manage what we needed for this war," the Afghan lieutenant colonel said. "As you know, they only gave three months ... that's not sufficient."

The Americans were racing to leave before Biden's Aug. 3 deadline. The final scraps of U.S. military support stopped on Aug. 13, he said. The Taliban seized Kabul on Aug. 15.

Another officer, a corps commander, described a bloody fight in the corridors of his besieged headquarters in Herat, a sprawling city that sits atop a strategic and ancient trade route to Iran. Kabul, 500 miles to the east, had few working helicopters to provide relief or rescue. The Afghan soldiers had fought on longer than anyone thought they could.

Ultimately, the corps commander was forced to surrender on Aug. 12 as Herat fell. His men were captured and kept "without water, food, anything," he said. He's unsure exactly for how many days he was a prisoner.

After being beaten and humiliated, he said, he and his men were given some stale bread and well water. Their captors, who describe themselves as religious students the literal meaning of "taliban" in Pashto stole their money and other belongings.

The Taliban, the corps commander said, also don't differentiate between soldiers and the journalists covering them at their headquarters. "This situation which I saw with my own eyes. ... They start hitting people with the butt of weapons, and all these things," he said. "Journalists. Cameramen."

They were released, unarmed, to walk into the wild desert lands outside Herat and find what shelter they could.

While Biden has credited the Taliban with providing "safe passage" for some 15,000 American citizens and legal U.S. residents believed to be trapped behind Taliban lines, former Afghan army officers say they see little evidence of humane treatment.

The 26-year-old corps commander describes his journey from Herat back to Kabul as a tour of abuses carried out by the Taliban. He saw roving bands of Taliban beating and robbing their own countrymen. He eventually found shelter with some of his extended family and is "very scared" to go outside. Taliban patrols are banging on doors, looking for anyone linked to the defeated democratic regime, he said.

Given the Taliban's active hunt for Afghan National Army officers and their documented history of public executions for even minor offenses, Zenger is withholding the military officers' names. This is a departure from Zenger's policy of publishing the name of every source quoted in its stories. The lieutenant colonel told Zenger that he, his wife and their children are already in danger. "I don't want to become a prisoner for the Taliban. ... I am so worried for my family," he said.








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Canon said:

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Where are all the journalists who fact checked Trump? They just disappeared and have no interest in fact checking this administration that lies with every third word.
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Yahoo News: Exclusive: More than 3,300 U.S. citizens evacuated from Afghanistan


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As of Saturday morning, a total of 3,376 U.S. citizens had been airlifted out of Kabul, according to a government document obtained by Yahoo News.

The number, which was part of a government update sent Sunday to the White House and marked "For official use only," offers a more detailed picture than has been made public so far of how many Americans have managed to leave Afghanistan since the U.S. military began evacuating people from the airport in Kabul on Aug. 14.

U.S. officials have been vague about the exact number of Americans who have been evacuated from Afghanistan, and how many more remain in the country.
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Waco1947 said:

4th and Inches said:

Waco1947 said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/22/distinguished-persons-week-lets-hear-it-deep-state/

i was good with it until they started talking about Trump messing up SIV, this is untrue. You can look at states quarterly reports to see it isnt true. Plus remember that some of this "tampering" was during the largest US/global pandemic shutdown in history.

I find facts that say Trump messed up.
Like this in Esquire " Over the last decade, Republicans have pushed to intentionally create a massive backlog in the Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) program - the one we use to bring Afghan partners to America, by putting onerous conditions on the applicationsIn 2016, Obama asked to increase the cap for the SIV program. Senate Republicans objected. Then, the Trump Admin started slowing down SIV processing. When Biden took over, there were 10,000 unfilled visas, despite 17,000 applications in the pipeline.
This dovetailed with the assault by Trump and Republicans to destroy other refugee programs that bring Afghans to the U.S. Obama admitted over 2,700 Afghan refugees. Trump admitted 400, bc he had dismantled the refugee system. Biden had to rebuild it.And today Trump Republicans are making it clear they will oppose bringing more Afghan refugees to the U.S.. Steven Miller: "Resettling [Afghans] in America is not about solving a humanitarian crisis; it's about accomplishing an ideological objective to change America."
Quite simply, any report on the "catastrophe" in Afghanistan that doesn't include these facts, especially the involvement of the odious Steven Miller, which continues to this hour, is not worth your time. Any report on the decline in the president's poll numbers that doesn't mention the deliberate efforts to sabotage his administration, and the real human cost of those efforts, can be considered disposable." Pierce is quoting Connecticut Senator Murphy
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a37373715/afghanistan-evacuations-biden-approval-siv-program/


Agreed, but only if "facts" is defined as "the opinion of an odious leftwing rag shoveling constant TDS 'agricultural byproducts'".
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The Afghans see their defeat as stemming from a lack of logistics, not a shortage of fighting spirit.

Who or what were they fighting for? And was their cause just?

Will to fight is a whole of society concept. Some of the Afghan special forces fought valiantly (hopefully as many as possible will be able to escape), but by and large, from the broader population, to the local and national political and military leaders, bureaucracy , Afghan civil society etc....not much will to fight. (or did not fight for core beliefs but merely fought for the side that looked the strongest at any given moment)

They didn't have 3 months to prepare, they had 20 years. And the Taliban never had the benefit of helicopters at all until now.

Investing in complex aircraft for the Afghans was also probably a tactical blunder and the money would have been better spent on simpler and easier to maintain weapons
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So, is it time to nuke the middle east and build an amazon.com distribution center yet?
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whitetrash said:

Waco1947 said:

4th and Inches said:

Waco1947 said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/22/distinguished-persons-week-lets-hear-it-deep-state/

i was good with it until they started talking about Trump messing up SIV, this is untrue. You can look at states quarterly reports to see it isnt true. Plus remember that some of this "tampering" was during the largest US/global pandemic shutdown in history.

I find facts that say Trump messed up.
Like this in Esquire " Over the last decade, Republicans have pushed to intentionally create a massive backlog in the Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) program - the one we use to bring Afghan partners to America, by putting onerous conditions on the applicationsIn 2016, Obama asked to increase the cap for the SIV program. Senate Republicans objected. Then, the Trump Admin started slowing down SIV processing. When Biden took over, there were 10,000 unfilled visas, despite 17,000 applications in the pipeline.
This dovetailed with the assault by Trump and Republicans to destroy other refugee programs that bring Afghans to the U.S. Obama admitted over 2,700 Afghan refugees. Trump admitted 400, bc he had dismantled the refugee system. Biden had to rebuild it.And today Trump Republicans are making it clear they will oppose bringing more Afghan refugees to the U.S.. Steven Miller: "Resettling [Afghans] in America is not about solving a humanitarian crisis; it's about accomplishing an ideological objective to change America."
Quite simply, any report on the "catastrophe" in Afghanistan that doesn't include these facts, especially the involvement of the odious Steven Miller, which continues to this hour, is not worth your time. Any report on the decline in the president's poll numbers that doesn't mention the deliberate efforts to sabotage his administration, and the real human cost of those efforts, can be considered disposable." Pierce is quoting Connecticut Senator Murphy
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a37373715/afghanistan-evacuations-biden-approval-siv-program/


Agreed, but only if "facts" is defined as "the opinion of an odious leftwing rag shoveling constant TDS 'agricultural byproducts'".
Facts are facts. Of course historiography slants facts but the article is pretty clear about our patriotic and brave everyday bureaucrats doing great work. There are also facts to back her contentions. I would simply ask you to read it.
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Read it.

Laughed at it's arrogance.

Moved on.
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Fiddling while Kabul falls by Michael Barone


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Historians aren't actually sure that Nero caused or neglected a fire that consumed much of ancient Rome. Historians, however much they'd like to, won't be able to deny that President Joe Biden bears full responsibility for America's humiliating retreat from Afghanistan and our neglect of the tens of thousands who aided us and now face torture and death from the Taliban.

"The drawdown is proceeding in a secure and orderly way," Biden assured the public on July 8 . A Taliban takeover of Afghanistan "is not inevitable," he said, pledging to "continue to provide civilian and humanitarian assistance, including speaking out for the rights of women and girls."

Asked if there were parallels with the American abandonment of Saigon, he saw "zero." "The Taliban is not the South the North Vietnamese army," he said. There's going to be no circumstance where you see people lifted off the roof of an embassy ... of the United States from Afghanistan."

Events last weekend forced Biden to go on national television Monday night and eat his words. He insisted that his administration was "clear-eyed about the risks" and "planned for every contingency" but conceded, in fine understatement, that "this did unfold more quickly than we anticipated."
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Taliban US Must Complete Evacuations From Afghanistan - No Extensions


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A Taliban spokesman says the U.S. must complete its evacuation of people from Afghanistan by the Aug. 31 date the Biden administration set for the withdrawal of all American troops.

The director of the CIA met with the Taliban's top political leader in Kabul, an official said Tuesday, as more reports emerged of abuses in areas held by the fighters, fueling concerns about Afghanistan's future and the fate of those racing to leave the country before the looming U.S. withdrawal.

Recent days have seen a flurry of efforts to speed a chaotic evacuation of foreigners and vulnerable Afghans from Kabul's airport, where scenes of desperation have highlighted both the disarray of the American pullout and fears that the Taliban will again impose a brutal rule. Leaders of the Group of Seven nations plan to meet later in the day to discuss possibly extending the airlift past the Aug. 31 deadline for the U.S. pullout despite a Taliban warning that would be a "red line."
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Not sure about his take on things but this guy is on the ground at the Airport

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Jacques Strap said:

Not sure about his take on things but this guy is on the ground at the Airport


What makes him so confident that foreign nationals will be able to leave on September 1st? They are being hindered from leaving today. What is magic about not keeping this national humiliation going until at least September 11th?
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Rawhide said:

So, is it time to nuke the middle east and build an amazon.com distribution center yet?
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Carlos Cruz said:

Jacques Strap said:

Not sure about his take on things but this guy is on the ground at the Airport


What makes him so confident that foreign nationals will be able to leave on September 1st? They are being hindered from leaving today. What is magic about not keeping this national humiliation going until at least September 11th?
His argument is if we provide enough foreign aid and recognize the Taliban, they will let passport holder through. But US will have no ability to negotiate, so the price tag on the foreign aid could be a really big number. Seems pretty risky and costly. Nothing but bad options to choose from.
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J.R. said:

Rawhide said:

So, is it time to nuke the middle east and build an amazon.com distribution center yet?
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BBC Taliban to stop Afghans going to Kabul airport

Johnson makes statement after G7 virtual meeting
UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson is making a statement after the virtual meeting of G7 leaders.
He was expected to ask US President Joe Biden for a delay to the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan to allow for more flights out of the country. The existing deadline is 31 August.
President Biden addressed the leaders on the call for about seven minutes.
We'll bring you the latest here.

[ol]
  • A Taliban spokesman has said Afghans should not go to the airport or try to leave the country
  • At a press briefing, Zabihullah Mujahid also said that women should stay at home for now, for their safety
  • US allies have warned they will not be able to evacuate all those fleeing the Taliban by 31 August
  • The warning came as a G-7 summit was to hear allies press President Joe Biden to delay the withdrawal of US forces beyond that date
  • But a senior US administration official told Reuters Biden was going to stick to the deadline
  • The CIA head met the leader of the Taliban in secret on Monday, US media report
  • US troops control Kabul airport from where some 58,700 people, mainly Afghans working for foreign forces, have been evacuated
  • The Taliban say they will not extend the deadline, as it would violate the agreement with the US
  • The Taliban's treatment of women will be a red line, the UN warns at an emergency session of the Human Rights Council
  • [/ol]
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    Jacques Strap said:

    BBC Taliban to stop Afghans going to Kabul airport

    Johnson makes statement after G7 virtual meeting
    UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson is making a statement after the virtual meeting of G7 leaders.
    He was expected to ask US President Joe Biden for a delay to the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan to allow for more flights out of the country. The existing deadline is 31 August.
    President Biden addressed the leaders on the call for about seven minutes.
    We'll bring you the latest here.

    [ol]
  • A Taliban spokesman has said Afghans should not go to the airport or try to leave the country
  • At a press briefing, Zabihullah Mujahid also said that women should stay at home for now, for their safety
  • US allies have warned they will not be able to evacuate all those fleeing the Taliban by 31 August
  • The warning came as a G-7 summit was to hear allies press President Joe Biden to delay the withdrawal of US forces beyond that date
  • But a senior US administration official told Reuters Biden was going to stick to the deadline
  • The CIA head met the leader of the Taliban in secret on Monday, US media report
  • US troops control Kabul airport from where some 58,700 people, mainly Afghans working for foreign forces, have been evacuated
  • The Taliban say they will not extend the deadline, as it would violate the agreement with the US
  • The Taliban's treatment of women will be a red line, the UN warns at an emergency session of the Human Rights Council
  • [/ol]
    I guess they did not respond to the strongly worded letter.
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    Washington Post reporter says British troops helped her escape Afghanistan


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    Washington Post reporter has revealed British troops helped her and her Afghan team get to Kabul airport so they could board US evacuation flights as the Biden administration faces mounting criticism for not allowing forces to go out and rescue stranded Americans.

    Reporter Susannah George wrote about her "treacherous journey" to flee Kabul with her colleagues and their families, including eight young children, just two days after the Taliban seized control of Afghanistan.

    In a follow-up interview after being evacuated, George told MSNBC: "The only reason I was able to get to the airport with my team was because there was a large British evacuation going on and also because I was with my team. I am an American passport holder."

    "The danger of going to the airport is so incredibly high at the moment."

    Given the deadly chaos outside the airport in the days after the Taliban came to power, George said she and her team rented armored cars driven by private security in a bid to protect themselves as they plotted how they were going to get into the airport.


    She said the Washington Post had already arranged for her, her Afghan colleagues and their families to be put on the US evacuation flights out of Kabul, but getting to the airport was a concern given the US Embassy's warning that it couldn't guarantee safe passage.

    George said it was a coincidence that British troops arrived at the secure compound where she was staying to "escort a larger evacuation" that same day.

    As part of that evacuation, the British troops had managed to shut down a road leading to the airport and planned to keep it clear of Taliban fighters for an hour to complete their evacuation.

    George said it provided her and her team a "small window of opportunity" to get to the airport.
    "Initially, the men were cautious about helping us. We weren't part of their evacuation, and the officer said they needed sign-off from the U.S. Embassy," George wrote in her piece.

    A few phone calls later, George said, their group of 13 piled into their armored vehicles and started driving toward the airport.


    Her story comes as the Biden administration faces fierce criticism for keeping US forces holed up at Kabul's airport amid reports that Americans are struggling to even get to the airport to be evacuated.

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    I read this to mean US Citizens who cannot get safe passage to the Kabul airport have until Aug. 31 to figure out a way or bribe their way to the airport.

    Taliban says no evacuation extension as G7 meets on Afghan crisis


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    Aug 24 (Reuters) - Afghanistan's new Taliban rulers said on Tuesday they wanted all foreign evacuations from the country completed by an Aug. 31 deadline and they would not agree to an extension.
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    Jacques Strap said:

    Taliban US Must Complete Evacuations From Afghanistan - No Extensions


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    A Taliban spokesman says the U.S. must complete its evacuation of people from Afghanistan by the Aug. 31 date the Biden administration set for the withdrawal of all American troops.

    The director of the CIA met with the Taliban's top political leader in Kabul, an official said Tuesday, as more reports emerged of abuses in areas held by the fighters, fueling concerns about Afghanistan's future and the fate of those racing to leave the country before the looming U.S. withdrawal.

    Recent days have seen a flurry of efforts to speed a chaotic evacuation of foreigners and vulnerable Afghans from Kabul's airport, where scenes of desperation have highlighted both the disarray of the American pullout and fears that the Taliban will again impose a brutal rule. Leaders of the Group of Seven nations plan to meet later in the day to discuss possibly extending the airlift past the Aug. 31 deadline for the U.S. pullout despite a Taliban warning that would be a "red line."

    as I said either yesterday or Monday, we werent getting an extension. Missing the 8/31 deadline could be a bloodbath
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    "I guess they did not respond to the strongly worded letter."

    Lavender-scented. hand-written notes on Care Bears stationery with happy-face i's just don't create fear and doubt in the hearts of our enemies they way they used to scare Corn Pop or the other tough guys in Biden's recollections.
    That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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    Harrison Bergeron said:

    Jacques Strap said:

    BBC Taliban to stop Afghans going to Kabul airport

    Johnson makes statement after G7 virtual meeting
    UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson is making a statement after the virtual meeting of G7 leaders.
    He was expected to ask US President Joe Biden for a delay to the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan to allow for more flights out of the country. The existing deadline is 31 August.
    President Biden addressed the leaders on the call for about seven minutes.
    We'll bring you the latest here.

    [ol]
  • A Taliban spokesman has said Afghans should not go to the airport or try to leave the country
  • At a press briefing, Zabihullah Mujahid also said that women should stay at home for now, for their safety
  • US allies have warned they will not be able to evacuate all those fleeing the Taliban by 31 August
  • The warning came as a G-7 summit was to hear allies press President Joe Biden to delay the withdrawal of US forces beyond that date
  • But a senior US administration official told Reuters Biden was going to stick to the deadline
  • The CIA head met the leader of the Taliban in secret on Monday, US media report
  • US troops control Kabul airport from where some 58,700 people, mainly Afghans working for foreign forces, have been evacuated
  • The Taliban say they will not extend the deadline, as it would violate the agreement with the US
  • The Taliban's treatment of women will be a red line, the UN warns at an emergency session of the Human Rights Council
  • [/ol]
    I guess they did not respond to the strongly worded letter.
    isnt China on the UN human rights council?
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    4th and Inches said:

    Harrison Bergeron said:

    Jacques Strap said:

    BBC Taliban to stop Afghans going to Kabul airport

    Johnson makes statement after G7 virtual meeting
    UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson is making a statement after the virtual meeting of G7 leaders.
    He was expected to ask US President Joe Biden for a delay to the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan to allow for more flights out of the country. The existing deadline is 31 August.
    President Biden addressed the leaders on the call for about seven minutes.
    We'll bring you the latest here.

    [ol]
  • A Taliban spokesman has said Afghans should not go to the airport or try to leave the country
  • At a press briefing, Zabihullah Mujahid also said that women should stay at home for now, for their safety
  • US allies have warned they will not be able to evacuate all those fleeing the Taliban by 31 August
  • The warning came as a G-7 summit was to hear allies press President Joe Biden to delay the withdrawal of US forces beyond that date
  • But a senior US administration official told Reuters Biden was going to stick to the deadline
  • The CIA head met the leader of the Taliban in secret on Monday, US media report
  • US troops control Kabul airport from where some 58,700 people, mainly Afghans working for foreign forces, have been evacuated
  • The Taliban say they will not extend the deadline, as it would violate the agreement with the US
  • The Taliban's treatment of women will be a red line, the UN warns at an emergency session of the Human Rights Council
  • [/ol]
    I guess they did not respond to the strongly worded letter.
    isnt China on the UN human rights council?
    Yes they currently are.

    And Syria, Libya, Saudi Arabia, and Sudan have all been on it in the past.

    Tells you all you need to know.
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    Redbrickbear said:

    4th and Inches said:

    Harrison Bergeron said:

    Jacques Strap said:

    BBC Taliban to stop Afghans going to Kabul airport

    Johnson makes statement after G7 virtual meeting
    UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson is making a statement after the virtual meeting of G7 leaders.
    He was expected to ask US President Joe Biden for a delay to the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan to allow for more flights out of the country. The existing deadline is 31 August.
    President Biden addressed the leaders on the call for about seven minutes.
    We'll bring you the latest here.

    [ol]
  • A Taliban spokesman has said Afghans should not go to the airport or try to leave the country
  • At a press briefing, Zabihullah Mujahid also said that women should stay at home for now, for their safety
  • US allies have warned they will not be able to evacuate all those fleeing the Taliban by 31 August
  • The warning came as a G-7 summit was to hear allies press President Joe Biden to delay the withdrawal of US forces beyond that date
  • But a senior US administration official told Reuters Biden was going to stick to the deadline
  • The CIA head met the leader of the Taliban in secret on Monday, US media report
  • US troops control Kabul airport from where some 58,700 people, mainly Afghans working for foreign forces, have been evacuated
  • The Taliban say they will not extend the deadline, as it would violate the agreement with the US
  • The Taliban's treatment of women will be a red line, the UN warns at an emergency session of the Human Rights Council
  • [/ol]
    I guess they did not respond to the strongly worded letter.
    isnt China on the UN human rights council?
    Yes they currently are.

    And Syria, Libya, Saudi Arabia, and Sudan have all been on it in the past.

    Tells you all you need to know.
    to quote Goldmine "they aint gonna do shi.."
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    LONDON, Aug 24 (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Tuesday the G7 had agreed a plan to deal with the Taliban, with their number one condition beingthat militants mustallow safe passage to Afghans wanting to leave the country even after an Aug. 31 deadline.
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    So... if you cannot make it to the airport you don't want to come home?


    Statement by Press Secretary Jen Psaki on President Biden's Meeting with G7 Leaders


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    During a meeting this morning with the G7 leaders, the President conveyed that our mission in Kabul will end based on the achievement of our objectives. He confirmed we are currently on pace to finish by August 31st and provided an update on progress in evacuating Americans who want to come home, third-country nationals, and Afghans who were our allies during the war.

    He also made clear that with each day of operations on the ground, we have added risk to our troops with increasing threats from ISIS-K, and that completion of the mission by August 31st depends on continued coordination with the Taliban, including continued access for evacuees to the airport. In addition, the President has asked the Pentagon and the State Department for contingency plans to adjust the timeline should that become necessary.
     
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