Once again the straw man - blind loyalty.Harrison Bergeron said:If I ever wonder how people can have blind loyalty to a leader regardless to the cost in human life, freedom, or economics, you always remind me.Waco1947 said:"Blind loyalty" is a straw man.Harrison Bergeron said:If I ever wonder how people can have blind loyalty to a leader regardless to the cost in human life, freedom, or economics, you always remind me.Waco1947 said:
A million moving components and chaos ensues not as a result of Biden but the failure of the Afghan army, the threat and realization of Taliban violence, and the ISIS K bombings..
110,00 people evacuated. And critics here think it was manageable. If so how would you manage it? First on the list how to stop a suicide bomber?
Here's an example of anagram stupidity not the President but military commanders."
"Lt Col Stuart Scheller called attention to remarks from the secretary of defense suggesting the Afghan forces could withstand the Taliban and questioned the advice senior military leaders have been giving the president.
"I'm not saying we've got to be in Afghanistan forever, but I am saying: Did any of you throw your rank on the table and say, 'Hey, it's a bad idea to evacuate Bagram Airfield, a strategic airbase, before we evacuate everyone.' Did anyone do that? And, when you didn't think to do that, did anyone raise their hand and say, 'We completely messed this up?'"
He said there have been questions about whether or not US military personnel who died in the war did so in vain.
Scheller said that "potentially all those people did die in vain if we don't have senior leaders that own up and raise their hand and say 'we did not do this well in the end,'" adding that 'without that we just keep repeating the same mistakes."
The Marine Corps has seen the video but did not say whether or not there will be repercussions for posting it.."
Note the President may have been given bad advice.
Afghanistan What a tragedy!
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4th and Inches said:serious? Larger airport, more locations to move people out of..Waco1947 said:Any war plan goes to hell at first encounter.4th and Inches said:warn other countries, start civilian draw down first, hold bagram until military draw down which is done last. Destroy what we dont take with us. So many things to do differently. Rule number 1 is dont arm your opposition and dont give up a way out aka the military air baseWaco1947 said:
A million moving components and chaos ensues not as a result of Biden but the failure of the Afghan army, the threat and realization of Taliban violence, and the ISIS K bombings..
110,00 people evacuated. And critics here think it was manageable. If so how would you manage it? First on the list how to stop a suicide bomber?
I do have a question, why keep it open?
Lets plan to get 150k people out thru a single runway civil airport in the middle of a major city?! Are you kidding me?!
Don't attempt to reason with him.
Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
You keep using that word, but it you do not know what it means clearly.Waco1947 said:Once again straw man.Harrison Bergeron said:If I ever wonder how people can have blind loyalty to a leader regardless to the cost in human life, freedom, or economics, you always remind me.Waco1947 said:"Blind loyalty" is a straw man.Harrison Bergeron said:If I ever wonder how people can have blind loyalty to a leader regardless to the cost in human life, freedom, or economics, you always remind me.Waco1947 said:
A million moving components and chaos ensues not as a result of Biden but the failure of the Afghan army, the threat and realization of Taliban violence, and the ISIS K bombings..
110,00 people evacuated. And critics here think it was manageable. If so how would you manage it? First on the list how to stop a suicide bomber?
Here's an example of anagram stupidity not the President but military commanders."
"Lt Col Stuart Scheller called attention to remarks from the secretary of defense suggesting the Afghan forces could withstand the Taliban and questioned the advice senior military leaders have been giving the president.
"I'm not saying we've got to be in Afghanistan forever, but I am saying: Did any of you throw your rank on the table and say, 'Hey, it's a bad idea to evacuate Bagram Airfield, a strategic airbase, before we evacuate everyone.' Did anyone do that? And, when you didn't think to do that, did anyone raise their hand and say, 'We completely messed this up?'"
He said there have been questions about whether or not US military personnel who died in the war did so in vain.
Scheller said that "potentially all those people did die in vain if we don't have senior leaders that own up and raise their hand and say 'we did not do this well in the end,'" adding that 'without that we just keep repeating the same mistakes."
The Marine Corps has seen the video but did not say whether or not there will be repercussions for posting it.."
Note the President may have been given bad advice.
Afghan family names baby girl after U.S. military evacuation plane she was born on
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The parents of an Afghan baby who was born during an evacuation flight from on Saturday have named their daughter after the U.S. Military aircraft that carried them to safety in Europe. The baby was named Reach, after the C-17 aircraft's call sign, Reach 828.
Same government that gave Blackhawks, machine guns and who knows what else to the Taliban.
ATF Targets Stabilizing Braces
ATF Targets Stabilizing Braces
Wait!Jack Bauer said:
Just remember that millionaires like Megan Rapinoe and Maria Taylor are victims in American culture...Taliban spokesman @Zabehulah_M33 says women will be required to wear hijab & have a male guardian if she is to go far from her home. Further, music will be banned because it is un-Islamic.https://t.co/nrV5SGq2NX
— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) August 27, 2021
Afghan women have the right to remain silent (outside of the house) and the right to be stoned at the whim of any male in Afghanistan
From @WSJopinion: Freedom is always worth fighting for, and plenty of dark forces like the Soviets have foundered in the end, even after gaining power. The Taliban will be no exception, writes Nolan Peterson. https://t.co/HYC0BhEMAW
— The Wall Street Journal (@WSJ) August 28, 2021
Strategic competitors like China benefit from the narrative that the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan represents an America in retreat.
— RAND Corporation (@RANDCorporation) August 28, 2021
That argument, however, doesn't hold up, says RAND's Jeffrey Hornung.https://t.co/jQOy7KURBE
Yes, I do. The straw man is "blind loyalty."Harrison Bergeron said:You keep using that word, but it you do not know what it means clearly.Waco1947 said:Once again straw man.Harrison Bergeron said:If I ever wonder how people can have blind loyalty to a leader regardless to the cost in human life, freedom, or economics, you always remind me.Waco1947 said:"Blind loyalty" is a straw man.Harrison Bergeron said:If I ever wonder how people can have blind loyalty to a leader regardless to the cost in human life, freedom, or economics, you always remind me.Waco1947 said:
A million moving components and chaos ensues not as a result of Biden but the failure of the Afghan army, the threat and realization of Taliban violence, and the ISIS K bombings..
110,00 people evacuated. And critics here think it was manageable. If so how would you manage it? First on the list how to stop a suicide bomber?
Here's an example of anagram stupidity not the President but military commanders."
"Lt Col Stuart Scheller called attention to remarks from the secretary of defense suggesting the Afghan forces could withstand the Taliban and questioned the advice senior military leaders have been giving the president.
"I'm not saying we've got to be in Afghanistan forever, but I am saying: Did any of you throw your rank on the table and say, 'Hey, it's a bad idea to evacuate Bagram Airfield, a strategic airbase, before we evacuate everyone.' Did anyone do that? And, when you didn't think to do that, did anyone raise their hand and say, 'We completely messed this up?'"
He said there have been questions about whether or not US military personnel who died in the war did so in vain.
Scheller said that "potentially all those people did die in vain if we don't have senior leaders that own up and raise their hand and say 'we did not do this well in the end,'" adding that 'without that we just keep repeating the same mistakes."
The Marine Corps has seen the video but did not say whether or not there will be repercussions for posting it.."
Note the President may have been given bad advice.
That's not my premise but your projection on me.
My premise is that closing down an unpopular war with a collapsing Afghan army, warring factions like ISIS K and the Taliban, and a desperate people was always going to a be a monumental task. That's simply reality not some "blind loyalty."
120,000 people out is monumental.
Reality is our Armed Forces, State Department, and others are acting heroically. To say Biden is making the best of a horrible, chaotic situation is not "blind loyalty."
Blind loyalty says "He's great and he's done great."
That's not my premise.
My criticism of Biden
" As for the Biden team, it is hard to imagine a worse morning after for it in Kabul. Its failure to create a proper security perimeter and transition process, in which Afghans who risked their lives to work with us these past two decades could be assured of a safe removal to America not to mention an orderly exit for foreign diplomats, human rights activists and aid workers is appalling and inexplicable."
Thomas Friedman
Appalling is damn right
" As for the Biden team, it is hard to imagine a worse morning after for it in Kabul. Its failure to create a proper security perimeter and transition process, in which Afghans who risked their lives to work with us these past two decades could be assured of a safe removal to America not to mention an orderly exit for foreign diplomats, human rights activists and aid workers is appalling and inexplicable."
Thomas Friedman
Appalling is damn right
Joy Reid powers - ACTIVATE!!!
Another day, another Joy Reid Retweet from PM Klain pic.twitter.com/S3OXSgj5HW
— Cameron Cawthorne (@Cam_Cawthorne) August 28, 2021
22 years old.
First US service member who died in Kabul identified as Navy medic Max Soviak https://t.co/0ZJ7fQF81V pic.twitter.com/sAUidWUkZP
— New York Post (@nypost) August 27, 2021
Max Soviak, Navy medic
— Rep. Dan Crenshaw (@RepDanCrenshaw) August 27, 2021
Kareem Nikoui, Marine
David Lee Espinoza, Marine
Rylee McCollum, Marine
Jared Schmitz, Marine
Remember their names.
Rest In Peace, brothers. pic.twitter.com/S8hdoCIXAP
Maybe Crenshaw can post the other 2600 dudes who died for no reason.
He could post the 3000+ that were maimed also.
He could post the 3000+ that were maimed also.
Winning by cheating is just as impressive as winning fairly, probably even more so. Your opponent was better than you in every way, and you beat them with your brain.
GoldMind said:
Maybe Crenshaw can post the other 2600 dudes who died for no reason.
He could post the 3000+ that were maimed also.
I think Crenshaw has a glass eye that says he can post whatever the F he wants about service and sacrifice.
Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
These soldiers all seem to look very similar.
I pray for anyone having to serve under. This Obama Biden Hologram incompetence
Quislings and weaklings as always
I pray for anyone having to serve under. This Obama Biden Hologram incompetence
Quislings and weaklings as always
Waco1947 said:
My criticism of Biden
" As for the Biden team, it is hard to imagine a worse morning after for it in Kabul. Its failure to create a proper security perimeter and transition process, in which Afghans who risked their lives to work with us these past two decades could be assured of a safe removal to America not to mention an orderly exit for foreign diplomats, human rights activists and aid workers is appalling and inexplicable."
Thomas Friedman
Appalling is damn right
Elections have consequences. Or maybe more accurately, vote counters have consequences
trey3216 said:GoldMind said:
Maybe Crenshaw can post the other 2600 dudes who died for no reason.
He could post the 3000+ that were maimed also.
I think Crenshaw has a glass eye that says he can post whatever the F he wants about service and sacrifice.
Yea he got hurt, makes him better than the rest.
Winning by cheating is just as impressive as winning fairly, probably even more so. Your opponent was better than you in every way, and you beat them with your brain.
no, means he's in the same shoesGoldMind said:trey3216 said:GoldMind said:
Maybe Crenshaw can post the other 2600 dudes who died for no reason.
He could post the 3000+ that were maimed also.
I think Crenshaw has a glass eye that says he can post whatever the F he wants about service and sacrifice.
Yea he got hurt, makes him better than the rest.
Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
Now who sounds like Trump?GoldMind said:trey3216 said:GoldMind said:
Maybe Crenshaw can post the other 2600 dudes who died for no reason.
He could post the 3000+ that were maimed also.
I think Crenshaw has a glass eye that says he can post whatever the F he wants about service and sacrifice.
Yea he got hurt, makes him better than the rest.
You seem nice.GoldMind said:trey3216 said:GoldMind said:
Maybe Crenshaw can post the other 2600 dudes who died for no reason.
He could post the 3000+ that were maimed also.
I think Crenshaw has a glass eye that says he can post whatever the F he wants about service and sacrifice.
Yea he got hurt, makes him better than the rest.
TrumpesqueJack Bauer said:You seem nice.GoldMind said:trey3216 said:GoldMind said:
Maybe Crenshaw can post the other 2600 dudes who died for no reason.
He could post the 3000+ that were maimed also.
I think Crenshaw has a glass eye that says he can post whatever the F he wants about service and sacrifice.
Yea he got hurt, makes him better than the rest.
But without making that kind of money.whiterock said:TrumpesqueJack Bauer said:You seem nice.GoldMind said:trey3216 said:GoldMind said:
Maybe Crenshaw can post the other 2600 dudes who died for no reason.
He could post the 3000+ that were maimed also.
I think Crenshaw has a glass eye that says he can post whatever the F he wants about service and sacrifice.
Yea he got hurt, makes him better than the rest.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Then you're just a stupid ****ing moron with your head so up your tribal ass.Waco1947 said:Yes, I do. The straw man is "blind loyalty."Harrison Bergeron said:You keep using that word, but it you do not know what it means clearly.Waco1947 said:Once again straw man.Harrison Bergeron said:If I ever wonder how people can have blind loyalty to a leader regardless to the cost in human life, freedom, or economics, you always remind me.Waco1947 said:"Blind loyalty" is a straw man.Harrison Bergeron said:If I ever wonder how people can have blind loyalty to a leader regardless to the cost in human life, freedom, or economics, you always remind me.Waco1947 said:
A million moving components and chaos ensues not as a result of Biden but the failure of the Afghan army, the threat and realization of Taliban violence, and the ISIS K bombings..
110,00 people evacuated. And critics here think it was manageable. If so how would you manage it? First on the list how to stop a suicide bomber?
Here's an example of anagram stupidity not the President but military commanders."
"Lt Col Stuart Scheller called attention to remarks from the secretary of defense suggesting the Afghan forces could withstand the Taliban and questioned the advice senior military leaders have been giving the president.
"I'm not saying we've got to be in Afghanistan forever, but I am saying: Did any of you throw your rank on the table and say, 'Hey, it's a bad idea to evacuate Bagram Airfield, a strategic airbase, before we evacuate everyone.' Did anyone do that? And, when you didn't think to do that, did anyone raise their hand and say, 'We completely messed this up?'"
He said there have been questions about whether or not US military personnel who died in the war did so in vain.
Scheller said that "potentially all those people did die in vain if we don't have senior leaders that own up and raise their hand and say 'we did not do this well in the end,'" adding that 'without that we just keep repeating the same mistakes."
The Marine Corps has seen the video but did not say whether or not there will be repercussions for posting it.."
Note the President may have been given bad advice.
That's not my premise but your projection on me.
My premise is that closing down an unpopular war with a collapsing Afghan army, warring factions like ISIS K and the Taliban, and a desperate people was always going to a be a monumental task. That's simply reality not some "blind loyalty."
120,000 people out is monumental.
Reality is our Armed Forces, State Department, and others are acting heroically. To say Biden is making the best of a horrible, chaotic situation is not "blind loyalty."
Blind loyalty says "He's great and he's done great."
That's not my premise.
Waco1947 said:My premise is that closing down an unpopular war with a collapsing Afghan army, warring factions like ISIS K and the Taliban, and a desperate people was always going to a be a monumental task.Harrison Bergeron said:You keep using that word, but it you do not know what it means clearly.Waco1947 said:Once again straw man.Harrison Bergeron said:If I ever wonder how people can have blind loyalty to a leader regardless to the cost in human life, freedom, or economics, you always remind me.Waco1947 said:"Blind loyalty" is a straw man.Harrison Bergeron said:If I ever wonder how people can have blind loyalty to a leader regardless to the cost in human life, freedom, or economics, you always remind me.Waco1947 said:
A million moving components and chaos ensues not as a result of Biden but the failure of the Afghan army, the threat and realization of Taliban violence, and the ISIS K bombings..
110,00 people evacuated. And critics here think it was manageable. If so how would you manage it? First on the list how to stop a suicide bomber?
Here's an example of anagram stupidity not the President but military commanders."
"Lt Col Stuart Scheller called attention to remarks from the secretary of defense suggesting the Afghan forces could withstand the Taliban and questioned the advice senior military leaders have been giving the president.
"I'm not saying we've got to be in Afghanistan forever, but I am saying: Did any of you throw your rank on the table and say, 'Hey, it's a bad idea to evacuate Bagram Airfield, a strategic airbase, before we evacuate everyone.' Did anyone do that? And, when you didn't think to do that, did anyone raise their hand and say, 'We completely messed this up?'"
He said there have been questions about whether or not US military personnel who died in the war did so in vain.
Scheller said that "potentially all those people did die in vain if we don't have senior leaders that own up and raise their hand and say 'we did not do this well in the end,'" adding that 'without that we just keep repeating the same mistakes."
The Marine Corps has seen the video but did not say whether or not there will be repercussions for posting it.."
Note the President may have been given bad advice.
Yet Biden treated it like a walk in the park.
When the PM of Israel comes to the White House, good time to take a nap.
A bedtime story for Sleepy Joe.
— Big Fish (@BigFish3000) August 28, 2021
I’m assuming his handlers had a shock collar to wake him. pic.twitter.com/OHkNsngN3u
Jack Bauer said:
When the PM of Israel comes to the White House, good time to take a nap.A bedtime story for Sleepy Joe.
— Big Fish (@BigFish3000) August 28, 2021
I’m assuming his handlers had a shock collar to wake him. pic.twitter.com/OHkNsngN3u
Bennett deserves it. Netanyahu should still be Israel's pm and Trump should still be President.
#BREAKING US believes new attack on Kabul airport 'highly likely' in 24-36 hours: Biden pic.twitter.com/Ru9fLHkO2p
— AFP News Agency (@AFP) August 28, 2021
trey3216 said:no, means he's in the same shoesGoldMind said:trey3216 said:GoldMind said:
Maybe Crenshaw can post the other 2600 dudes who died for no reason.
He could post the 3000+ that were maimed also.
I think Crenshaw has a glass eye that says he can post whatever the F he wants about service and sacrifice.
Yea he got hurt, makes him better than the rest.
I wanted to like him, man.
Winning by cheating is just as impressive as winning fairly, probably even more so. Your opponent was better than you in every way, and you beat them with your brain.
Funny, the KLA are terrorists also, why don't we unrecognize them Dan?
The Taliban are terrorists. They cant be trusted and shouldn’t be recognized or legitimized. That’s why I introduced a bill to make sure they aren’t.https://t.co/ZlYEKwLIBM
— Rep. Dan Crenshaw (@RepDanCrenshaw) August 27, 2021
Winning by cheating is just as impressive as winning fairly, probably even more so. Your opponent was better than you in every way, and you beat them with your brain.
What?GoldMind said:
Funny, the KLA are terrorists also, why don't we unrecognize them Dan?The Taliban are terrorists. They cant be trusted and shouldn’t be recognized or legitimized. That’s why I introduced a bill to make sure they aren’t.https://t.co/ZlYEKwLIBM
— Rep. Dan Crenshaw (@RepDanCrenshaw) August 27, 2021
Goldmind trying to out-macho the SEAL. He gets like that sometimes, don't worry about it.ATL Bear said:What?GoldMind said:
Funny, the KLA are terrorists also, why don't we unrecognize them Dan?The Taliban are terrorists. They cant be trusted and shouldn’t be recognized or legitimized. That’s why I introduced a bill to make sure they aren’t.https://t.co/ZlYEKwLIBM
— Rep. Dan Crenshaw (@RepDanCrenshaw) August 27, 2021
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Oldbear83 said:Goldmind trying to out-macho the SEAL. He gets like that sometimes, don't worry about it.ATL Bear said:What?GoldMind said:
Funny, the KLA are terrorists also, why don't we unrecognize them Dan?The Taliban are terrorists. They cant be trusted and shouldn’t be recognized or legitimized. That’s why I introduced a bill to make sure they aren’t.https://t.co/ZlYEKwLIBM
— Rep. Dan Crenshaw (@RepDanCrenshaw) August 27, 2021
He's my rep.
Winning by cheating is just as impressive as winning fairly, probably even more so. Your opponent was better than you in every way, and you beat them with your brain.
Jack Bauer said:#BREAKING US believes new attack on Kabul airport 'highly likely' in 24-36 hours: Biden pic.twitter.com/Ru9fLHkO2p
— AFP News Agency (@AFP) August 28, 2021
So now they are just saying they expect an attack to come so they can say "this doesn't surprise us" but of course does nothing to avoid Biden murdering more people.
Afterwards they blow up a truck and yell, "got em!!!" and the majority of the media acts like that fixes everything.Freedomb3ar said:Jack Bauer said:#BREAKING US believes new attack on Kabul airport 'highly likely' in 24-36 hours: Biden pic.twitter.com/Ru9fLHkO2p
— AFP News Agency (@AFP) August 28, 2021
So now they are just saying they expect an attack to come so they can say "this doesn't surprise us" but of course does nothing to avoid Biden murdering more people.