YepOldbear83 said:
Seriously, if the intent was not to "influence" the Justices, why then did the protesters do so at the homes of those justices?
The plain fact is that this was a clear violation of federal law.
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Look, I've linked these guys to video tape and sworn eye witness testimony and they still deny it it.Booray said:What did I say that was incorrect?Oldbear83 said:
Well, judging from this thread, Booray is quite the expert on BS production.
Did Al Gore not concede?
Were Hillary's complaints not directed at foreign interference? Did she conduct an 18-month post election campaign claiming that the votes for Trump were not actually votes?
Did Merrick Garland actually target all school board protestors or did he say that the FBI would respond to threats of violence against local officials (which is what the FBI is supposed to do)?
Was there some Democratic nominee other than Garland that Mitch McConnel would have allowed a vote on?
Every sentence above is true
Osodecentx said:Barr said Trump got a raw deal from media over Russia collusion (in Barr's book)RMF5630 said:
Funny thing about these hearings. Everything Barr says saying DOJ could not find evidence of large scale fraud is played as the truth and Trump was told.
But, everything he said about Russia-gate and other are untruths.
His book was outstanding, became a fan after reading.
Jan 6th committee chair said no charges forwarded DOJ and then good ole Liz Cheney walked it back.. political theater!!
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If lawyers in the room could please identify what is meant by influence? Is it to be construed as a form of intimidation--I think it should be easy to prosecute if intimidation were used. How else can private citizens influence or even attempt to influence a Justice who has a lifetime appointment (let's just assume that bribes were not offered, ok)? Also, in this particular case, where it appears the leaked Alito opinion reveals a decision already made, exactly what are the demonstrators attempting to influence? In my view, the organized public demonstration was not attempting to influence Kavenaugh, but public opinion. They went to the Justice's House not to obstruct or influence that particular Justice, but because that aggressive action would be covered nationally by the media.Osodecentx said:YepOldbear83 said:
Seriously, if the intent was not to "influence" the Justices, why then did the protesters do so at the homes of those justices?
The plain fact is that this was a clear violation of federal law.
Harrison Bergeron said:Why didn't Pelosi allow the GOP to staff the committee?Booray said:The GOP was free to participate. It chose not to because it was denied the opportunity to put obvious obstructionists on the panel.Doc Holliday said:If you have such a strong case then why didn't your dems hold full public hearings? Why aren't they releasing full interviews?Booray said:Trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.Doc Holliday said:
The economy is in freefall and choosing Biden to lead has put them in a position to lose bigger than ever.
All they have is J6 and they're more concerned about it than the economy. They keep pretending like it was a big deal because they think their concern is going to translate to votes against the GOP. It will do the opposite lol
Yes, the economy sucks. Yes, the democrats will pay the price at the polls this November,
That does not change the fact that trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.
Mass hysteria trying to turn it into 9/11 failed. That's not my opinion. Pull up a Pew survey and see how J6 rates.
At one time, most of America supported slavery, the denial of the vote to women, and Joseph McCarthy. Public opinion polls do not make policy choices correct.
What were the ratings? Was it the bonanza the Democrats had hoped? That should be a good bellweather of how much the average American cares.
— mike luckovich (@mluckovichajc) June 13, 2022
God, this whole thing is an embarrassment. To all of us.
Love this!J.B.Katz said:Harrison Bergeron said:Why didn't Pelosi allow the GOP to staff the committee?Booray said:The GOP was free to participate. It chose not to because it was denied the opportunity to put obvious obstructionists on the panel.Doc Holliday said:If you have such a strong case then why didn't your dems hold full public hearings? Why aren't they releasing full interviews?Booray said:Trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.Doc Holliday said:
The economy is in freefall and choosing Biden to lead has put them in a position to lose bigger than ever.
All they have is J6 and they're more concerned about it than the economy. They keep pretending like it was a big deal because they think their concern is going to translate to votes against the GOP. It will do the opposite lol
Yes, the economy sucks. Yes, the democrats will pay the price at the polls this November,
That does not change the fact that trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.
Mass hysteria trying to turn it into 9/11 failed. That's not my opinion. Pull up a Pew survey and see how J6 rates.
At one time, most of America supported slavery, the denial of the vote to women, and Joseph McCarthy. Public opinion polls do not make policy choices correct.
What were the ratings? Was it the bonanza the Democrats had hoped? That should be a good bellweather of how much the average American cares.— mike luckovich (@mluckovichajc) June 13, 2022
Really brilliant work by the Jan. 6 Committee.
Having Trump's own people talk about how deluded and wrong he was.
In fact, all who testified weren't just Republicans but Republicans close to Trump.
And Barr, his own lap dog, declaring the fraud stuff BS. Multiple times.
Amazing.
And to those who don't understand their history well, this is the flow of the investigative process.
First, Democrats proposed a bipartisan committee with equal numbers from each party. Republicans refused because they wanted no investigation.
Second, Democrats offered Republicans a chance to name members of the committee. McCarthy offered Republican clowns like Jim Jordan, who weren't at all serious.
Third, Democrats were able to recruit Cheney and Kinzinger, the only two who would agree other than said clowns.
The truth is Republicans wanted no investigation at all because they don't want us to know the truth.
nonsense compounded by nonsense.. what truth do you think you have learned from this political theater?C. Jordan said:Love this!J.B.Katz said:Harrison Bergeron said:Why didn't Pelosi allow the GOP to staff the committee?Booray said:The GOP was free to participate. It chose not to because it was denied the opportunity to put obvious obstructionists on the panel.Doc Holliday said:If you have such a strong case then why didn't your dems hold full public hearings? Why aren't they releasing full interviews?Booray said:Trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.Doc Holliday said:
The economy is in freefall and choosing Biden to lead has put them in a position to lose bigger than ever.
All they have is J6 and they're more concerned about it than the economy. They keep pretending like it was a big deal because they think their concern is going to translate to votes against the GOP. It will do the opposite lol
Yes, the economy sucks. Yes, the democrats will pay the price at the polls this November,
That does not change the fact that trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.
Mass hysteria trying to turn it into 9/11 failed. That's not my opinion. Pull up a Pew survey and see how J6 rates.
At one time, most of America supported slavery, the denial of the vote to women, and Joseph McCarthy. Public opinion polls do not make policy choices correct.
What were the ratings? Was it the bonanza the Democrats had hoped? That should be a good bellweather of how much the average American cares.— mike luckovich (@mluckovichajc) June 13, 2022
Really brilliant work by the Jan. 6 Committee.
Having Trump's own people talk about how deluded and wrong he was.
In fact, all who testified weren't just Republicans but Republicans close to Trump.
And Barr, his own lap dog, declaring the fraud stuff BS. Multiple times.
Amazing.
And to those who don't understand their history well, this is the flow of the investigative process.
First, Democrats proposed a bipartisan committee with equal numbers from each party. Republicans refused because they wanted no investigation.
Second, Democrats offered Republicans a chance to name members of the committee. McCarthy offered Republican clowns like Jim Jordan, who weren't at all serious.
Third, Democrats were able to recruit Cheney and Kinzinger, the only two who would agree other than said clowns.
The truth is Republicans wanted no investigation at all because they don't want us to know the truth.
A year ago we knew most if not all of this.. your star witness AG Barr said he doesnt think Trump broke the law.. chairman on Jan 6th said probably no referals to DOJ only to be walked back by Cheney.. people wont watch if you tell them the ending in the middle!
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TRUMPISTS: "The evidence clearly shows no wrongdoing by Trump or any other Republican."
ALSO TRUMPISTS: "How dare those damned, dirty Democrats run the evidence on prime time?"
ALSO TRUMPISTS: "How dare those damned, dirty Democrats run the evidence on prime time?"
Sam Lowry said:
TRUMPISTS: "The evidence clearly shows no wrongdoing by Trump or any other Republican."
ALSO TRUMPISTS: "How dare those damned, dirty Democrats run the evidence on prime time?"
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Sam is on some special drugs if he believes that last post he splorted onto the thread.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Can you show the parts of the hearings where the refusal to call additional police or National Guard troops was refused?C. Jordan said:Love this!J.B.Katz said:Harrison Bergeron said:Why didn't Pelosi allow the GOP to staff the committee?Booray said:The GOP was free to participate. It chose not to because it was denied the opportunity to put obvious obstructionists on the panel.Doc Holliday said:If you have such a strong case then why didn't your dems hold full public hearings? Why aren't they releasing full interviews?Booray said:Trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.Doc Holliday said:
The economy is in freefall and choosing Biden to lead has put them in a position to lose bigger than ever.
All they have is J6 and they're more concerned about it than the economy. They keep pretending like it was a big deal because they think their concern is going to translate to votes against the GOP. It will do the opposite lol
Yes, the economy sucks. Yes, the democrats will pay the price at the polls this November,
That does not change the fact that trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.
Mass hysteria trying to turn it into 9/11 failed. That's not my opinion. Pull up a Pew survey and see how J6 rates.
At one time, most of America supported slavery, the denial of the vote to women, and Joseph McCarthy. Public opinion polls do not make policy choices correct.
What were the ratings? Was it the bonanza the Democrats had hoped? That should be a good bellweather of how much the average American cares.— mike luckovich (@mluckovichajc) June 13, 2022
Really brilliant work by the Jan. 6 Committee.
Having Trump's own people talk about how deluded and wrong he was.
In fact, all who testified weren't just Republicans but Republicans close to Trump.
And Barr, his own lap dog, declaring the fraud stuff BS. Multiple times.
Amazing.
And to those who don't understand their history well, this is the flow of the investigative process.
First, Democrats proposed a bipartisan committee with equal numbers from each party. Republicans refused because they wanted no investigation.
Second, Democrats offered Republicans a chance to name members of the committee. McCarthy offered Republican clowns like Jim Jordan, who weren't at all serious.
Third, Democrats were able to recruit Cheney and Kinzinger, the only two who would agree other than said clowns.
The truth is Republicans wanted no investigation at all because they don't want us to know the truth.
Can you show the part of the hearings that investigated where the 200 FBI agents were?
Can you show the part of the hearings that investigated Hillary Clinton and others claiming Russia stole the 2016 election?
Can you share anything new that has come to light we did not know on Jan. 7, 2022?
Can you show the part of the hearing that investigated why lie was told about the Capitol policemen being killed?
Which Talking Point is it - Republicans refused to participate or Republicans that wanted to participate would "undermine the investigation?"
The difference between Republicans and Democrats is that obviously Republicans will call bull**** when it is they're guy but Democrats just make more **** up if it is their tribe.
A lot has been known but consistently denied. The hearings make it harder to do that. The pivot from "that's a damned lie" to "that's old news" is crucial. I didn't expect it to happen so quickly.Harrison Bergeron said:Can you share anything new that has come to light we did not know on Jan. 7, 2022?C. Jordan said:Love this!J.B.Katz said:Harrison Bergeron said:Why didn't Pelosi allow the GOP to staff the committee?Booray said:The GOP was free to participate. It chose not to because it was denied the opportunity to put obvious obstructionists on the panel.Doc Holliday said:If you have such a strong case then why didn't your dems hold full public hearings? Why aren't they releasing full interviews?Booray said:Trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.Doc Holliday said:
The economy is in freefall and choosing Biden to lead has put them in a position to lose bigger than ever.
All they have is J6 and they're more concerned about it than the economy. They keep pretending like it was a big deal because they think their concern is going to translate to votes against the GOP. It will do the opposite lol
Yes, the economy sucks. Yes, the democrats will pay the price at the polls this November,
That does not change the fact that trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.
Mass hysteria trying to turn it into 9/11 failed. That's not my opinion. Pull up a Pew survey and see how J6 rates.
At one time, most of America supported slavery, the denial of the vote to women, and Joseph McCarthy. Public opinion polls do not make policy choices correct.
What were the ratings? Was it the bonanza the Democrats had hoped? That should be a good bellweather of how much the average American cares.— mike luckovich (@mluckovichajc) June 13, 2022
Really brilliant work by the Jan. 6 Committee.
Having Trump's own people talk about how deluded and wrong he was.
In fact, all who testified weren't just Republicans but Republicans close to Trump.
And Barr, his own lap dog, declaring the fraud stuff BS. Multiple times.
Amazing.
And to those who don't understand their history well, this is the flow of the investigative process.
First, Democrats proposed a bipartisan committee with equal numbers from each party. Republicans refused because they wanted no investigation.
Second, Democrats offered Republicans a chance to name members of the committee. McCarthy offered Republican clowns like Jim Jordan, who weren't at all serious.
Third, Democrats were able to recruit Cheney and Kinzinger, the only two who would agree other than said clowns.
The truth is Republicans wanted no investigation at all because they don't want us to know the truth.
November can't get here soon enough.
STOP IT!!!😂😂😂 pic.twitter.com/5mlxZulUlN
— il Donaldo Trumpo (@PapiTrumpo) June 10, 2022
C. Jordan said:Love this!J.B.Katz said:Harrison Bergeron said:Why didn't Pelosi allow the GOP to staff the committee?Booray said:The GOP was free to participate. It chose not to because it was denied the opportunity to put obvious obstructionists on the panel.Doc Holliday said:If you have such a strong case then why didn't your dems hold full public hearings? Why aren't they releasing full interviews?Booray said:Trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.Doc Holliday said:
The economy is in freefall and choosing Biden to lead has put them in a position to lose bigger than ever.
All they have is J6 and they're more concerned about it than the economy. They keep pretending like it was a big deal because they think their concern is going to translate to votes against the GOP. It will do the opposite lol
Yes, the economy sucks. Yes, the democrats will pay the price at the polls this November,
That does not change the fact that trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.
Mass hysteria trying to turn it into 9/11 failed. That's not my opinion. Pull up a Pew survey and see how J6 rates.
At one time, most of America supported slavery, the denial of the vote to women, and Joseph McCarthy. Public opinion polls do not make policy choices correct.
What were the ratings? Was it the bonanza the Democrats had hoped? That should be a good bellweather of how much the average American cares.— mike luckovich (@mluckovichajc) June 13, 2022
Really brilliant work by the Jan. 6 Committee.
Having Trump's own people talk about how deluded and wrong he was.
In fact, all who testified weren't just Republicans but Republicans close to Trump.
And Barr, his own lap dog, declaring the fraud stuff BS. Multiple times.
Amazing.
And to those who don't understand their history well, this is the flow of the investigative process.
First, Democrats proposed a bipartisan committee with equal numbers from each party. Republicans refused because they wanted no investigation.
Second, Democrats offered Republicans a chance to name members of the committee. McCarthy offered Republican clowns like Jim Jordan, who weren't at all serious.
Third, Democrats were able to recruit Cheney and Kinzinger, the only two who would agree other than said clowns.
The truth is Republicans wanted no investigation at all because they don't want us to know the truth.
The real question though is whether it will have the desired effect of getting Democrats elected in the mid-terms. What are your thoughts? Will the dog and pony show help your party get elected?
Sam Lowry said:A lot has been known but consistently denied. The hearings make it harder to do that. The pivot from "that's a damned lie" to "that's old news" is crucial. I didn't expect it to happen so quickly.Harrison Bergeron said:Can you share anything new that has come to light we did not know on Jan. 7, 2022?C. Jordan said:Love this!J.B.Katz said:Harrison Bergeron said:Why didn't Pelosi allow the GOP to staff the committee?Booray said:The GOP was free to participate. It chose not to because it was denied the opportunity to put obvious obstructionists on the panel.Doc Holliday said:If you have such a strong case then why didn't your dems hold full public hearings? Why aren't they releasing full interviews?Booray said:Trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.Doc Holliday said:
The economy is in freefall and choosing Biden to lead has put them in a position to lose bigger than ever.
All they have is J6 and they're more concerned about it than the economy. They keep pretending like it was a big deal because they think their concern is going to translate to votes against the GOP. It will do the opposite lol
Yes, the economy sucks. Yes, the democrats will pay the price at the polls this November,
That does not change the fact that trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.
Mass hysteria trying to turn it into 9/11 failed. That's not my opinion. Pull up a Pew survey and see how J6 rates.
At one time, most of America supported slavery, the denial of the vote to women, and Joseph McCarthy. Public opinion polls do not make policy choices correct.
What were the ratings? Was it the bonanza the Democrats had hoped? That should be a good bellweather of how much the average American cares.— mike luckovich (@mluckovichajc) June 13, 2022
Really brilliant work by the Jan. 6 Committee.
Having Trump's own people talk about how deluded and wrong he was.
In fact, all who testified weren't just Republicans but Republicans close to Trump.
And Barr, his own lap dog, declaring the fraud stuff BS. Multiple times.
Amazing.
And to those who don't understand their history well, this is the flow of the investigative process.
First, Democrats proposed a bipartisan committee with equal numbers from each party. Republicans refused because they wanted no investigation.
Second, Democrats offered Republicans a chance to name members of the committee. McCarthy offered Republican clowns like Jim Jordan, who weren't at all serious.
Third, Democrats were able to recruit Cheney and Kinzinger, the only two who would agree other than said clowns.
The truth is Republicans wanted no investigation at all because they don't want us to know the truth.
I'm curious what large swath of people has been denying things that have been reported for months…
Oldbear83 said:
Sam is on some special drugs if he believes that last post he splorted onto the thread.
I'll give ol' Sam this: for someone who is the self- appointed policeman to combat misinformation on these boards, he is one of the biggest purveyors of it. That guy erects more straw men than anyone I know.
Well that's human nature. We have many that continue to parrot the 2016 election was stolen by the Ruskies and that Stacy Abrams is the rightful governor of Georgia. Despite record turnouts, people still parrot that voter ID requirements are "THE NEW JIM CROW" as well as unarmed black men are disproportionately killed by police and "mostly peaceful" burning, looting, and murdering were non-violent.Sam Lowry said:A lot has been known but consistently denied. The hearings make it harder to do that. The pivot from "that's a damned lie" to "that's old news" is crucial. I didn't expect it to happen so quickly.Harrison Bergeron said:Can you share anything new that has come to light we did not know on Jan. 7, 2022?C. Jordan said:Love this!J.B.Katz said:Harrison Bergeron said:Why didn't Pelosi allow the GOP to staff the committee?Booray said:The GOP was free to participate. It chose not to because it was denied the opportunity to put obvious obstructionists on the panel.Doc Holliday said:If you have such a strong case then why didn't your dems hold full public hearings? Why aren't they releasing full interviews?Booray said:Trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.Doc Holliday said:
The economy is in freefall and choosing Biden to lead has put them in a position to lose bigger than ever.
All they have is J6 and they're more concerned about it than the economy. They keep pretending like it was a big deal because they think their concern is going to translate to votes against the GOP. It will do the opposite lol
Yes, the economy sucks. Yes, the democrats will pay the price at the polls this November,
That does not change the fact that trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.
Mass hysteria trying to turn it into 9/11 failed. That's not my opinion. Pull up a Pew survey and see how J6 rates.
At one time, most of America supported slavery, the denial of the vote to women, and Joseph McCarthy. Public opinion polls do not make policy choices correct.
What were the ratings? Was it the bonanza the Democrats had hoped? That should be a good bellweather of how much the average American cares.— mike luckovich (@mluckovichajc) June 13, 2022
Really brilliant work by the Jan. 6 Committee.
Having Trump's own people talk about how deluded and wrong he was.
In fact, all who testified weren't just Republicans but Republicans close to Trump.
And Barr, his own lap dog, declaring the fraud stuff BS. Multiple times.
Amazing.
And to those who don't understand their history well, this is the flow of the investigative process.
First, Democrats proposed a bipartisan committee with equal numbers from each party. Republicans refused because they wanted no investigation.
Second, Democrats offered Republicans a chance to name members of the committee. McCarthy offered Republican clowns like Jim Jordan, who weren't at all serious.
Third, Democrats were able to recruit Cheney and Kinzinger, the only two who would agree other than said clowns.
The truth is Republicans wanted no investigation at all because they don't want us to know the truth.
Abrams gov of FL is hillarious!Harrison Bergeron said:Well that's human nature. We have many that continue to parrot the 2016 election was stolen by the Ruskies and that Stacy Abrams is the rightful governor of Florida. Despite record turnouts, people still parrot that voter ID requirements are "THE NEW JIM CROW" as well as unarmed black men are disproportionately killed by police and "mostly peaceful" burning, looting, and murdering were non-violent.Sam Lowry said:A lot has been known but consistently denied. The hearings make it harder to do that. The pivot from "that's a damned lie" to "that's old news" is crucial. I didn't expect it to happen so quickly.Harrison Bergeron said:Can you share anything new that has come to light we did not know on Jan. 7, 2022?C. Jordan said:Love this!J.B.Katz said:Harrison Bergeron said:Why didn't Pelosi allow the GOP to staff the committee?Booray said:The GOP was free to participate. It chose not to because it was denied the opportunity to put obvious obstructionists on the panel.Doc Holliday said:If you have such a strong case then why didn't your dems hold full public hearings? Why aren't they releasing full interviews?Booray said:Trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.Doc Holliday said:
The economy is in freefall and choosing Biden to lead has put them in a position to lose bigger than ever.
All they have is J6 and they're more concerned about it than the economy. They keep pretending like it was a big deal because they think their concern is going to translate to votes against the GOP. It will do the opposite lol
Yes, the economy sucks. Yes, the democrats will pay the price at the polls this November,
That does not change the fact that trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.
Mass hysteria trying to turn it into 9/11 failed. That's not my opinion. Pull up a Pew survey and see how J6 rates.
At one time, most of America supported slavery, the denial of the vote to women, and Joseph McCarthy. Public opinion polls do not make policy choices correct.
What were the ratings? Was it the bonanza the Democrats had hoped? That should be a good bellweather of how much the average American cares.— mike luckovich (@mluckovichajc) June 13, 2022
Really brilliant work by the Jan. 6 Committee.
Having Trump's own people talk about how deluded and wrong he was.
In fact, all who testified weren't just Republicans but Republicans close to Trump.
And Barr, his own lap dog, declaring the fraud stuff BS. Multiple times.
Amazing.
And to those who don't understand their history well, this is the flow of the investigative process.
First, Democrats proposed a bipartisan committee with equal numbers from each party. Republicans refused because they wanted no investigation.
Second, Democrats offered Republicans a chance to name members of the committee. McCarthy offered Republican clowns like Jim Jordan, who weren't at all serious.
Third, Democrats were able to recruit Cheney and Kinzinger, the only two who would agree other than said clowns.
The truth is Republicans wanted no investigation at all because they don't want us to know the truth.
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The opinion has not been officially released. Therefore it is possible that a justice might change his/her mind. Therefore, these demonstrations and assassination attempts are illegal and should be prosecutedTWD 74 said:Also, in this particular case, where it appears the leaked Alito opinion reveals a decision already made, exactly what are the demonstrators attempting to influence? In my view, the organized public demonstration was not attempting to influence Kavenaugh, but public opinion. They went to the Justice's House not to obstruct or influence that particular Justice, but because that aggressive action would be covered nationally by the media.Osodecentx said:YepOldbear83 said:
Seriously, if the intent was not to "influence" the Justices, why then did the protesters do so at the homes of those justices?
The plain fact is that this was a clear violation of federal law.
LOL. Touche. Well you misspelled hilarious! <tongue out emoji>4th and Inches said:Abrams gov of FL is hillarious!Harrison Bergeron said:Well that's human nature. We have many that continue to parrot the 2016 election was stolen by the Ruskies and that Stacy Abrams is the rightful governor of Florida. Despite record turnouts, people still parrot that voter ID requirements are "THE NEW JIM CROW" as well as unarmed black men are disproportionately killed by police and "mostly peaceful" burning, looting, and murdering were non-violent.Sam Lowry said:A lot has been known but consistently denied. The hearings make it harder to do that. The pivot from "that's a damned lie" to "that's old news" is crucial. I didn't expect it to happen so quickly.Harrison Bergeron said:Can you share anything new that has come to light we did not know on Jan. 7, 2022?C. Jordan said:Love this!J.B.Katz said:Harrison Bergeron said:Why didn't Pelosi allow the GOP to staff the committee?Booray said:The GOP was free to participate. It chose not to because it was denied the opportunity to put obvious obstructionists on the panel.Doc Holliday said:If you have such a strong case then why didn't your dems hold full public hearings? Why aren't they releasing full interviews?Booray said:Trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.Doc Holliday said:
The economy is in freefall and choosing Biden to lead has put them in a position to lose bigger than ever.
All they have is J6 and they're more concerned about it than the economy. They keep pretending like it was a big deal because they think their concern is going to translate to votes against the GOP. It will do the opposite lol
Yes, the economy sucks. Yes, the democrats will pay the price at the polls this November,
That does not change the fact that trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.
Mass hysteria trying to turn it into 9/11 failed. That's not my opinion. Pull up a Pew survey and see how J6 rates.
At one time, most of America supported slavery, the denial of the vote to women, and Joseph McCarthy. Public opinion polls do not make policy choices correct.
What were the ratings? Was it the bonanza the Democrats had hoped? That should be a good bellweather of how much the average American cares.— mike luckovich (@mluckovichajc) June 13, 2022
Really brilliant work by the Jan. 6 Committee.
Having Trump's own people talk about how deluded and wrong he was.
In fact, all who testified weren't just Republicans but Republicans close to Trump.
And Barr, his own lap dog, declaring the fraud stuff BS. Multiple times.
Amazing.
And to those who don't understand their history well, this is the flow of the investigative process.
First, Democrats proposed a bipartisan committee with equal numbers from each party. Republicans refused because they wanted no investigation.
Second, Democrats offered Republicans a chance to name members of the committee. McCarthy offered Republican clowns like Jim Jordan, who weren't at all serious.
Third, Democrats were able to recruit Cheney and Kinzinger, the only two who would agree other than said clowns.
The truth is Republicans wanted no investigation at all because they don't want us to know the truth.
Harrison Bergeron said:LOL. Touche. Well you misspelled hilarious! <tongue out emoji>4th and Inches said:Abrams gov of FL is hillarious!Harrison Bergeron said:Well that's human nature. We have many that continue to parrot the 2016 election was stolen by the Ruskies and that Stacy Abrams is the rightful governor of Florida. Despite record turnouts, people still parrot that voter ID requirements are "THE NEW JIM CROW" as well as unarmed black men are disproportionately killed by police and "mostly peaceful" burning, looting, and murdering were non-violent.Sam Lowry said:A lot has been known but consistently denied. The hearings make it harder to do that. The pivot from "that's a damned lie" to "that's old news" is crucial. I didn't expect it to happen so quickly.Harrison Bergeron said:Can you share anything new that has come to light we did not know on Jan. 7, 2022?C. Jordan said:Love this!J.B.Katz said:Harrison Bergeron said:Why didn't Pelosi allow the GOP to staff the committee?Booray said:The GOP was free to participate. It chose not to because it was denied the opportunity to put obvious obstructionists on the panel.Doc Holliday said:If you have such a strong case then why didn't your dems hold full public hearings? Why aren't they releasing full interviews?Booray said:Trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.Doc Holliday said:
The economy is in freefall and choosing Biden to lead has put them in a position to lose bigger than ever.
All they have is J6 and they're more concerned about it than the economy. They keep pretending like it was a big deal because they think their concern is going to translate to votes against the GOP. It will do the opposite lol
Yes, the economy sucks. Yes, the democrats will pay the price at the polls this November,
That does not change the fact that trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.
Mass hysteria trying to turn it into 9/11 failed. That's not my opinion. Pull up a Pew survey and see how J6 rates.
At one time, most of America supported slavery, the denial of the vote to women, and Joseph McCarthy. Public opinion polls do not make policy choices correct.
What were the ratings? Was it the bonanza the Democrats had hoped? That should be a good bellweather of how much the average American cares.— mike luckovich (@mluckovichajc) June 13, 2022
Really brilliant work by the Jan. 6 Committee.
Having Trump's own people talk about how deluded and wrong he was.
In fact, all who testified weren't just Republicans but Republicans close to Trump.
And Barr, his own lap dog, declaring the fraud stuff BS. Multiple times.
Amazing.
And to those who don't understand their history well, this is the flow of the investigative process.
First, Democrats proposed a bipartisan committee with equal numbers from each party. Republicans refused because they wanted no investigation.
Second, Democrats offered Republicans a chance to name members of the committee. McCarthy offered Republican clowns like Jim Jordan, who weren't at all serious.
Third, Democrats were able to recruit Cheney and Kinzinger, the only two who would agree other than said clowns.
The truth is Republicans wanted no investigation at all because they don't want us to know the truth.
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Interesting analysis.4th and Inches said:nonsense compounded by nonsense.. what truth do you think you have learned from this political theater?C. Jordan said:Love this!J.B.Katz said:Harrison Bergeron said:Why didn't Pelosi allow the GOP to staff the committee?Booray said:The GOP was free to participate. It chose not to because it was denied the opportunity to put obvious obstructionists on the panel.Doc Holliday said:If you have such a strong case then why didn't your dems hold full public hearings? Why aren't they releasing full interviews?Booray said:Trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.Doc Holliday said:
The economy is in freefall and choosing Biden to lead has put them in a position to lose bigger than ever.
All they have is J6 and they're more concerned about it than the economy. They keep pretending like it was a big deal because they think their concern is going to translate to votes against the GOP. It will do the opposite lol
Yes, the economy sucks. Yes, the democrats will pay the price at the polls this November,
That does not change the fact that trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.
Mass hysteria trying to turn it into 9/11 failed. That's not my opinion. Pull up a Pew survey and see how J6 rates.
At one time, most of America supported slavery, the denial of the vote to women, and Joseph McCarthy. Public opinion polls do not make policy choices correct.
What were the ratings? Was it the bonanza the Democrats had hoped? That should be a good bellweather of how much the average American cares.— mike luckovich (@mluckovichajc) June 13, 2022
Really brilliant work by the Jan. 6 Committee.
Having Trump's own people talk about how deluded and wrong he was.
In fact, all who testified weren't just Republicans but Republicans close to Trump.
And Barr, his own lap dog, declaring the fraud stuff BS. Multiple times.
Amazing.
And to those who don't understand their history well, this is the flow of the investigative process.
First, Democrats proposed a bipartisan committee with equal numbers from each party. Republicans refused because they wanted no investigation.
Second, Democrats offered Republicans a chance to name members of the committee. McCarthy offered Republican clowns like Jim Jordan, who weren't at all serious.
Third, Democrats were able to recruit Cheney and Kinzinger, the only two who would agree other than said clowns.
The truth is Republicans wanted no investigation at all because they don't want us to know the truth.
A year ago we knew most if not all of this.. your star witness AG Barr said he doesnt think Trump broke the law.. chairman on Jan 6th said probably no referals to DOJ only to be walked back by Cheney.. people wont watch if you tell them the ending in the middle!
But we didn't know Barr told Trump the whole election fraud thing was BS.
We also didn't know that Trump defrauded his own supporters by soliciting contributions to a legal defense fund that didn't exist and then use the money for political purposes.
I think we're also going to learn that Trump not only inspired but also directed the Proud Boys and others to attract the capitol on his cue. That's definitely new.
If it's such nonsense, why did Fox feel compelled to act something like an actual news channel and start carrying it.
It's because the Committee has done a great job and made a damning presentation so far.
To be honest, I would like for it to help in the mid-terms, but I don't think it will, at least not directly. It could help in swing districts in which you have a Trump lie water carrier vs. a Democrat who's a good candidate. Democrats will have great clips for ads showing that anyone who thinks Trump really got elected isn't in touch with reality and doesn't need to be serving in Congress.Mothra said:C. Jordan said:Love this!J.B.Katz said:Harrison Bergeron said:Why didn't Pelosi allow the GOP to staff the committee?Booray said:The GOP was free to participate. It chose not to because it was denied the opportunity to put obvious obstructionists on the panel.Doc Holliday said:If you have such a strong case then why didn't your dems hold full public hearings? Why aren't they releasing full interviews?Booray said:Trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.Doc Holliday said:
The economy is in freefall and choosing Biden to lead has put them in a position to lose bigger than ever.
All they have is J6 and they're more concerned about it than the economy. They keep pretending like it was a big deal because they think their concern is going to translate to votes against the GOP. It will do the opposite lol
Yes, the economy sucks. Yes, the democrats will pay the price at the polls this November,
That does not change the fact that trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.
Mass hysteria trying to turn it into 9/11 failed. That's not my opinion. Pull up a Pew survey and see how J6 rates.
At one time, most of America supported slavery, the denial of the vote to women, and Joseph McCarthy. Public opinion polls do not make policy choices correct.
What were the ratings? Was it the bonanza the Democrats had hoped? That should be a good bellweather of how much the average American cares.— mike luckovich (@mluckovichajc) June 13, 2022
Really brilliant work by the Jan. 6 Committee.
Having Trump's own people talk about how deluded and wrong he was.
In fact, all who testified weren't just Republicans but Republicans close to Trump.
And Barr, his own lap dog, declaring the fraud stuff BS. Multiple times.
Amazing.
And to those who don't understand their history well, this is the flow of the investigative process.
First, Democrats proposed a bipartisan committee with equal numbers from each party. Republicans refused because they wanted no investigation.
Second, Democrats offered Republicans a chance to name members of the committee. McCarthy offered Republican clowns like Jim Jordan, who weren't at all serious.
Third, Democrats were able to recruit Cheney and Kinzinger, the only two who would agree other than said clowns.
The truth is Republicans wanted no investigation at all because they don't want us to know the truth.
The real question though is whether it will have the desired effect of getting Democrats elected in the mid-terms. What are your thoughts? Will the dog and pony show help your party get elected?
My greater hope that it will alienate Trump to almost all swing voters and to a few Republicans, and will kill any chance for Trump to win in 2024. There's a host of Republicans chomping at the bit to run for president (Pence, Haley, Cruz, Rubio, Pompeo, etc. etc.). They just need more blood in the water around Trump.
It seems to be more dog than pony show because it has taken a pretty good bite out of Trump's ass.
We knew all of this. All of this has previously been reported. You just haven't been paying attention.C. Jordan said:Interesting analysis.4th and Inches said:nonsense compounded by nonsense.. what truth do you think you have learned from this political theater?C. Jordan said:Love this!J.B.Katz said:Harrison Bergeron said:Why didn't Pelosi allow the GOP to staff the committee?Booray said:The GOP was free to participate. It chose not to because it was denied the opportunity to put obvious obstructionists on the panel.Doc Holliday said:If you have such a strong case then why didn't your dems hold full public hearings? Why aren't they releasing full interviews?Booray said:Trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.Doc Holliday said:
The economy is in freefall and choosing Biden to lead has put them in a position to lose bigger than ever.
All they have is J6 and they're more concerned about it than the economy. They keep pretending like it was a big deal because they think their concern is going to translate to votes against the GOP. It will do the opposite lol
Yes, the economy sucks. Yes, the democrats will pay the price at the polls this November,
That does not change the fact that trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.
Mass hysteria trying to turn it into 9/11 failed. That's not my opinion. Pull up a Pew survey and see how J6 rates.
At one time, most of America supported slavery, the denial of the vote to women, and Joseph McCarthy. Public opinion polls do not make policy choices correct.
What were the ratings? Was it the bonanza the Democrats had hoped? That should be a good bellweather of how much the average American cares.— mike luckovich (@mluckovichajc) June 13, 2022
Really brilliant work by the Jan. 6 Committee.
Having Trump's own people talk about how deluded and wrong he was.
In fact, all who testified weren't just Republicans but Republicans close to Trump.
And Barr, his own lap dog, declaring the fraud stuff BS. Multiple times.
Amazing.
And to those who don't understand their history well, this is the flow of the investigative process.
First, Democrats proposed a bipartisan committee with equal numbers from each party. Republicans refused because they wanted no investigation.
Second, Democrats offered Republicans a chance to name members of the committee. McCarthy offered Republican clowns like Jim Jordan, who weren't at all serious.
Third, Democrats were able to recruit Cheney and Kinzinger, the only two who would agree other than said clowns.
The truth is Republicans wanted no investigation at all because they don't want us to know the truth.
A year ago we knew most if not all of this.. your star witness AG Barr said he doesnt think Trump broke the law.. chairman on Jan 6th said probably no referals to DOJ only to be walked back by Cheney.. people wont watch if you tell them the ending in the middle!
But we didn't know Barr told Trump the whole election fraud thing was BS.
We also didn't know that Trump defrauded his own supporters by soliciting contributions to a legal defense fund that didn't exist and then use the money for political purposes.
I think we're also going to learn that Trump not only inspired but also directed the Proud Boys and others to attract the capitol on his cue. That's definitely new.
If it's such nonsense, why did Fox feel compelled to act something like an actual news channel and start carrying it.
It's because the Committee has done a great job and made a damning presentation so far.
As for my question, think it will help your party in the midterms? Or do you think this committee has another goal?
I figured. That's what this is all about, IMO, getting Democrats elected. As stated above, there isn't a single piece of new info that hasn't been reported.C. Jordan said:To be honest, I would like for it to help in the mid-terms, but I don't think it will, at least not directly. It could help in swing districts in which you have a Trump lie water carrier vs. a Democrat who's a good candidate. Democrats will have great clips for ads showing that anyone who thinks Trump really got elected isn't in touch with reality and doesn't need to be serving in Congress.Mothra said:C. Jordan said:Love this!J.B.Katz said:Harrison Bergeron said:Why didn't Pelosi allow the GOP to staff the committee?Booray said:The GOP was free to participate. It chose not to because it was denied the opportunity to put obvious obstructionists on the panel.Doc Holliday said:If you have such a strong case then why didn't your dems hold full public hearings? Why aren't they releasing full interviews?Booray said:Trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.Doc Holliday said:
The economy is in freefall and choosing Biden to lead has put them in a position to lose bigger than ever.
All they have is J6 and they're more concerned about it than the economy. They keep pretending like it was a big deal because they think their concern is going to translate to votes against the GOP. It will do the opposite lol
Yes, the economy sucks. Yes, the democrats will pay the price at the polls this November,
That does not change the fact that trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.
Mass hysteria trying to turn it into 9/11 failed. That's not my opinion. Pull up a Pew survey and see how J6 rates.
At one time, most of America supported slavery, the denial of the vote to women, and Joseph McCarthy. Public opinion polls do not make policy choices correct.
What were the ratings? Was it the bonanza the Democrats had hoped? That should be a good bellweather of how much the average American cares.— mike luckovich (@mluckovichajc) June 13, 2022
Really brilliant work by the Jan. 6 Committee.
Having Trump's own people talk about how deluded and wrong he was.
In fact, all who testified weren't just Republicans but Republicans close to Trump.
And Barr, his own lap dog, declaring the fraud stuff BS. Multiple times.
Amazing.
And to those who don't understand their history well, this is the flow of the investigative process.
First, Democrats proposed a bipartisan committee with equal numbers from each party. Republicans refused because they wanted no investigation.
Second, Democrats offered Republicans a chance to name members of the committee. McCarthy offered Republican clowns like Jim Jordan, who weren't at all serious.
Third, Democrats were able to recruit Cheney and Kinzinger, the only two who would agree other than said clowns.
The truth is Republicans wanted no investigation at all because they don't want us to know the truth.
The real question though is whether it will have the desired effect of getting Democrats elected in the mid-terms. What are your thoughts? Will the dog and pony show help your party get elected?
My greater hope that it will alienate Trump to almost all swing voters and to a few Republicans, and will kill any chance for Trump to win in 2024. There's a host of Republicans chomping at the bit to run for president (Pence, Haley, Cruz, Rubio, Pompeo, etc. etc.). They just need more blood in the water around Trump.
It seems to be more dog than pony show because it has taken a pretty good bite out of Trump's ass.
Believe it or not, I actually agree with your second paragraph on. I suspect most those vying for the Republican nomination feel the same way. I would love for Trump to be finished.
But I do suspect the Dems will continue to use him as a bogeyman for years. Maybe decades.
we didnt? i surmised it from previous information Barr has released.C. Jordan said:Interesting analysis.4th and Inches said:nonsense compounded by nonsense.. what truth do you think you have learned from this political theater?C. Jordan said:Love this!J.B.Katz said:Harrison Bergeron said:Why didn't Pelosi allow the GOP to staff the committee?Booray said:The GOP was free to participate. It chose not to because it was denied the opportunity to put obvious obstructionists on the panel.Doc Holliday said:If you have such a strong case then why didn't your dems hold full public hearings? Why aren't they releasing full interviews?Booray said:Trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.Doc Holliday said:
The economy is in freefall and choosing Biden to lead has put them in a position to lose bigger than ever.
All they have is J6 and they're more concerned about it than the economy. They keep pretending like it was a big deal because they think their concern is going to translate to votes against the GOP. It will do the opposite lol
Yes, the economy sucks. Yes, the democrats will pay the price at the polls this November,
That does not change the fact that trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.
Mass hysteria trying to turn it into 9/11 failed. That's not my opinion. Pull up a Pew survey and see how J6 rates.
At one time, most of America supported slavery, the denial of the vote to women, and Joseph McCarthy. Public opinion polls do not make policy choices correct.
What were the ratings? Was it the bonanza the Democrats had hoped? That should be a good bellweather of how much the average American cares.— mike luckovich (@mluckovichajc) June 13, 2022
Really brilliant work by the Jan. 6 Committee.
Having Trump's own people talk about how deluded and wrong he was.
In fact, all who testified weren't just Republicans but Republicans close to Trump.
And Barr, his own lap dog, declaring the fraud stuff BS. Multiple times.
Amazing.
And to those who don't understand their history well, this is the flow of the investigative process.
First, Democrats proposed a bipartisan committee with equal numbers from each party. Republicans refused because they wanted no investigation.
Second, Democrats offered Republicans a chance to name members of the committee. McCarthy offered Republican clowns like Jim Jordan, who weren't at all serious.
Third, Democrats were able to recruit Cheney and Kinzinger, the only two who would agree other than said clowns.
The truth is Republicans wanted no investigation at all because they don't want us to know the truth.
A year ago we knew most if not all of this.. your star witness AG Barr said he doesnt think Trump broke the law.. chairman on Jan 6th said probably no referals to DOJ only to be walked back by Cheney.. people wont watch if you tell them the ending in the middle!
But we didn't know Barr told Trump the whole election fraud thing was BS.
We also didn't know that Trump defrauded his own supporters by soliciting contributions to a legal defense fund that didn't exist and then use the money for political purposes.
I think we're also going to learn that Trump not only inspired but also directed the Proud Boys and others to attract the capitol on his cue. That's definitely new.
If it's such nonsense, why did Fox feel compelled to act something like an actual news channel and start carrying it.
It's because the Committee has done a great job and made a damning presentation so far.
We didnt? Trump has been critized about the legal defense fund previously.. you werent paying attention.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jan/08/what-we-know-about-trumps-fundraising-false-claim-/
Objection! Calls for speculation- no direct link to Trump yet from proud boys. Since you like Barr today, he said he doesnt beleive Trump was involved in that..
Who gives a sh.. what Fox news said.. Fox is not some special media outlet of the truth that we must all take notice of.. look at the loss of viewers since 2020 election in their daily programming. Something changed with Fox.
They havent done anything new or outstanding.. let me know when they do
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Damning presentation of what?? That Trump believed the election was stolen?? That his staff disagreed with him? So what? What does that prove? What actually happened???? Did Pence certify? Did Biden assume Presidency on Inauguration day? Trump can believe whatever he wants, what actually happened?C. Jordan said:Interesting analysis.4th and Inches said:nonsense compounded by nonsense.. what truth do you think you have learned from this political theater?C. Jordan said:Love this!J.B.Katz said:Harrison Bergeron said:Why didn't Pelosi allow the GOP to staff the committee?Booray said:The GOP was free to participate. It chose not to because it was denied the opportunity to put obvious obstructionists on the panel.Doc Holliday said:If you have such a strong case then why didn't your dems hold full public hearings? Why aren't they releasing full interviews?Booray said:Trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.Doc Holliday said:
The economy is in freefall and choosing Biden to lead has put them in a position to lose bigger than ever.
All they have is J6 and they're more concerned about it than the economy. They keep pretending like it was a big deal because they think their concern is going to translate to votes against the GOP. It will do the opposite lol
Yes, the economy sucks. Yes, the democrats will pay the price at the polls this November,
That does not change the fact that trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.
Mass hysteria trying to turn it into 9/11 failed. That's not my opinion. Pull up a Pew survey and see how J6 rates.
At one time, most of America supported slavery, the denial of the vote to women, and Joseph McCarthy. Public opinion polls do not make policy choices correct.
What were the ratings? Was it the bonanza the Democrats had hoped? That should be a good bellweather of how much the average American cares.— mike luckovich (@mluckovichajc) June 13, 2022
Really brilliant work by the Jan. 6 Committee.
Having Trump's own people talk about how deluded and wrong he was.
In fact, all who testified weren't just Republicans but Republicans close to Trump.
And Barr, his own lap dog, declaring the fraud stuff BS. Multiple times.
Amazing.
And to those who don't understand their history well, this is the flow of the investigative process.
First, Democrats proposed a bipartisan committee with equal numbers from each party. Republicans refused because they wanted no investigation.
Second, Democrats offered Republicans a chance to name members of the committee. McCarthy offered Republican clowns like Jim Jordan, who weren't at all serious.
Third, Democrats were able to recruit Cheney and Kinzinger, the only two who would agree other than said clowns.
The truth is Republicans wanted no investigation at all because they don't want us to know the truth.
A year ago we knew most if not all of this.. your star witness AG Barr said he doesnt think Trump broke the law.. chairman on Jan 6th said probably no referals to DOJ only to be walked back by Cheney.. people wont watch if you tell them the ending in the middle!
But we didn't know Barr told Trump the whole election fraud thing was BS.
We also didn't know that Trump defrauded his own supporters by soliciting contributions to a legal defense fund that didn't exist and then use the money for political purposes.
I think we're also going to learn that Trump not only inspired but also directed the Proud Boys and others to attract the capitol on his cue. That's definitely new.
If it's such nonsense, why did Fox feel compelled to act something like an actual news channel and start carrying it.
It's because the Committee has done a great job and made a damning presentation so far.
Influence vs. intimidation is an irrelevant argument. Protests, however one wishes to define or describe them and no matter the tenor and tone, are de facto violations of Federal lawn which is being ignored by the DOJ.TWD 74 said:If lawyers in the room could please identify what is meant by influence? Is it to be construed as a form of intimidation--I think it should be easy to prosecute if intimidation were used. How else can private citizens influence or even attempt to influence a Justice who has a lifetime appointment (let's just assume that bribes were not offered, ok)? Also, in this particular case, where it appears the leaked Alito opinion reveals a decision already made, exactly what are the demonstrators attempting to influence? In my view, the organized public demonstration was not attempting to influence Kavenaugh, but public opinion. They went to the Justice's House not to obstruct or influence that particular Justice, but because that aggressive action would be covered nationally by the media.Osodecentx said:YepOldbear83 said:
Seriously, if the intent was not to "influence" the Justices, why then did the protesters do so at the homes of those justices?
The plain fact is that this was a clear violation of federal law.
But isn't that how a democracy is supposed to work? I mean, if the goal is democracy why not follow what the people want?Booray said:The GOP was free to participate. It chose not to because it was denied the opportunity to put obvious obstructionists on the panel.Doc Holliday said:If you have such a strong case then why didn't your dems hold full public hearings? Why aren't they releasing full interviews?Booray said:Trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.Doc Holliday said:The economy is in freefall and choosing Biden to lead has put them in a position to lose bigger than ever.RMF5630 said:Man, talk about thick. Must be a Dem...Booray said:You are not saying anything new, correct or connected to political reality.RMF5630 said:You keep telling me McConnell said no, so why try. i get that. I am telling you that was as boneheaded a strategy as you can get and that Obama is to blame for that loss of a seat. You knew the next President was getting 2, but 3 in 4 years??Booray said:I'm sorry but you really are just flat out wrong. Like 100%.RMF5630 said:Yeah, that strategy worked well. Don't even try and put pressure on the Senate. Afterall, it is just a SCOTUS seat. You really believe that BS??? There wasn't 60, so don't try? I will stand pat with Garland and hold my breath?Booray said:Its not speculation. It was what Mitch McConnell said. There wasn't 60 v0tes for any nominee. Frankly, anyone who does not understand that political reality is not familiar with how things work in Washington.RMF5630 said:So, just throw up your hands? That Sam, is pure BS speculation that there was NO candidate that could have gotten through. McConnel was able to do it on one nominee, he may have pulled it on two. But, there is a point where McConnell feels the heat. That is how compromise occurs.Sam Lowry said:Any nominee after Garland would have had a guaranteed rejection. I'm sure Obama saw no point in sacrificing two lambs when one would suffice.RMF5630 said:True, except for Obama. It was in his contract that anything he put forward had to be accepted and approved as submitted. Every other President when not able to get a SCOTUS nominee through went back and found an acceptable candidate. But, Obama was special, he should not have had to to do that. If he wanted Garland, that was good enough...Aliceinbubbleland said:Mothra said:Aliceinbubbleland said:
I skipped 2016 Presidential election but voted for others on ballot. Congress is much more important to me than a President.
Last time I read the Constitution Congress has the power to approve SCOTUS nominees, not the President.
EVERY President had to pull nominees and negotiate other candidates, that is how we get Moderates. Heck, Reagan had to put his 3rd choice Moderate-leaning Kennedy on to get him through. Every President at least tried. Obama just threw up his hands and whined.
Your comment is exactly why I cannot stand the current Liberal wing, if you do not do exactly what they want the first time, you are attacked rather than negotiating. Spoiled children.
If you agree with that logic and strategy, regardless of whether you "really know the political reality" being so intellectually sophisticated, you really don't know how Politics go. Obama made an enormous political mistake and ended up giving Trump 3 picks putting the Dems in the position of accepting or packing the Court. Anyway you cut it, Obama screwed the pooch.
Mitch McConnell was not going to let Obama nominate anyone to the Supreme Court with an election around the corner. Control of SCOTUS has been McConnell's holy grail for decades. Why do you think he was just going to give that up? Who was the alternate nominee that would have gotten through?
And Obama can only fill vacancies that existed. So he didn't give Trump three of anything.
How much political capital does it take for Obama to throw out Jackson's name? Of course it would be a "No". That is the point, make him say "No" to 12 candidates. Every time he says "No" McConnell is under heat, not Obama. Every Candidate makes McConnell look unreasonable, not to the public but the Senators he is trying to keep in line. The GOP is not like the Dems, first Collins goes, than Murkowski, then enough to get one through with a real Moderate. Obama literally did the one thing that could allow McConnell to get away with 8 months of tying up a SCOTUS seat.
Face it, Obama screwed up, McConnell outplayed him. May have even played into Clinton losing. Just stomping their feet and saying "You confirm my guy!!!!", real effective. But, it was tyipical of Obama, great speeches no follow through.
The GOP is not like the Dems-what BS. McConnell has had complete and total control over his caucus for years. Getting to 60 on a SCOTUS nominee over McConnell's objection is just a joke.
Enjoy your life in fantasyland.
All they have is J6 and they're more concerned about it than the economy. They keep pretending like it was a big deal because they think their concern is going to translate to votes against the GOP. It will do the opposite lol
Yes, the economy sucks. Yes, the democrats will pay the price at the polls this November,
That does not change the fact that trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.
Mass hysteria trying to turn it into 9/11 failed. That's not my opinion. Pull up a Pew survey and see how J6 rates.
At one time, most of America supported slavery, the denial of the vote to women, and Joseph McCarthy. Public opinion polls do not make policy choices correct.
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We are a direct democracy that goes by what people want? Huh? Go figure. I thought we were a Constitutional Republic.GrowlTowel said:But isn't that how a democracy is supposed to work? I mean, if the goal is democracy why not follow what the people want?Booray said:The GOP was free to participate. It chose not to because it was denied the opportunity to put obvious obstructionists on the panel.Doc Holliday said:If you have such a strong case then why didn't your dems hold full public hearings? Why aren't they releasing full interviews?Booray said:Trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.Doc Holliday said:The economy is in freefall and choosing Biden to lead has put them in a position to lose bigger than ever.RMF5630 said:Man, talk about thick. Must be a Dem...Booray said:You are not saying anything new, correct or connected to political reality.RMF5630 said:You keep telling me McConnell said no, so why try. i get that. I am telling you that was as boneheaded a strategy as you can get and that Obama is to blame for that loss of a seat. You knew the next President was getting 2, but 3 in 4 years??Booray said:I'm sorry but you really are just flat out wrong. Like 100%.RMF5630 said:Yeah, that strategy worked well. Don't even try and put pressure on the Senate. Afterall, it is just a SCOTUS seat. You really believe that BS??? There wasn't 60, so don't try? I will stand pat with Garland and hold my breath?Booray said:Its not speculation. It was what Mitch McConnell said. There wasn't 60 v0tes for any nominee. Frankly, anyone who does not understand that political reality is not familiar with how things work in Washington.RMF5630 said:So, just throw up your hands? That Sam, is pure BS speculation that there was NO candidate that could have gotten through. McConnel was able to do it on one nominee, he may have pulled it on two. But, there is a point where McConnell feels the heat. That is how compromise occurs.Sam Lowry said:Any nominee after Garland would have had a guaranteed rejection. I'm sure Obama saw no point in sacrificing two lambs when one would suffice.RMF5630 said:True, except for Obama. It was in his contract that anything he put forward had to be accepted and approved as submitted. Every other President when not able to get a SCOTUS nominee through went back and found an acceptable candidate. But, Obama was special, he should not have had to to do that. If he wanted Garland, that was good enough...Aliceinbubbleland said:Mothra said:Aliceinbubbleland said:
I skipped 2016 Presidential election but voted for others on ballot. Congress is much more important to me than a President.
Last time I read the Constitution Congress has the power to approve SCOTUS nominees, not the President.
EVERY President had to pull nominees and negotiate other candidates, that is how we get Moderates. Heck, Reagan had to put his 3rd choice Moderate-leaning Kennedy on to get him through. Every President at least tried. Obama just threw up his hands and whined.
Your comment is exactly why I cannot stand the current Liberal wing, if you do not do exactly what they want the first time, you are attacked rather than negotiating. Spoiled children.
If you agree with that logic and strategy, regardless of whether you "really know the political reality" being so intellectually sophisticated, you really don't know how Politics go. Obama made an enormous political mistake and ended up giving Trump 3 picks putting the Dems in the position of accepting or packing the Court. Anyway you cut it, Obama screwed the pooch.
Mitch McConnell was not going to let Obama nominate anyone to the Supreme Court with an election around the corner. Control of SCOTUS has been McConnell's holy grail for decades. Why do you think he was just going to give that up? Who was the alternate nominee that would have gotten through?
And Obama can only fill vacancies that existed. So he didn't give Trump three of anything.
How much political capital does it take for Obama to throw out Jackson's name? Of course it would be a "No". That is the point, make him say "No" to 12 candidates. Every time he says "No" McConnell is under heat, not Obama. Every Candidate makes McConnell look unreasonable, not to the public but the Senators he is trying to keep in line. The GOP is not like the Dems, first Collins goes, than Murkowski, then enough to get one through with a real Moderate. Obama literally did the one thing that could allow McConnell to get away with 8 months of tying up a SCOTUS seat.
Face it, Obama screwed up, McConnell outplayed him. May have even played into Clinton losing. Just stomping their feet and saying "You confirm my guy!!!!", real effective. But, it was tyipical of Obama, great speeches no follow through.
The GOP is not like the Dems-what BS. McConnell has had complete and total control over his caucus for years. Getting to 60 on a SCOTUS nominee over McConnell's objection is just a joke.
Enjoy your life in fantasyland.
All they have is J6 and they're more concerned about it than the economy. They keep pretending like it was a big deal because they think their concern is going to translate to votes against the GOP. It will do the opposite lol
Yes, the economy sucks. Yes, the democrats will pay the price at the polls this November,
That does not change the fact that trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.
Mass hysteria trying to turn it into 9/11 failed. That's not my opinion. Pull up a Pew survey and see how J6 rates.
At one time, most of America supported slavery, the denial of the vote to women, and Joseph McCarthy. Public opinion polls do not make policy choices correct.
Probably there are a sack full of "goals" within this committee and vary with who one asks. It does appear that the one universal goal is to find some way to keep Trump from being able to ever run for elected office again. There will different levels of pettiness due to the committee composition, of course, and IMO some of these folks ought to be in that "ineligible-to-run" category with Trump based on their past actions. If they can find a legit conclusion on which to Impeach Trump, they will have succeeded. It's not about "removal from office" which is one reason why impeachment wasn't pursued in January: it was too late and moot. It is Trump's prior actions while in office that paved the committee's way. If Trump wasn't such a boor, jerk, and petty narcissist who dug his own political hole on social media, we wouldn't be in this mess (probably). It certainly wasn't his administration's policies that failed the nation. The boor made the far-left influence possible.
I agree. But democracy! is all the robots keep shouting.RMF5630 said:We are a direct democracy that goes by what people want? Huh? Go figure. I thought we were a Constitutional Republic.GrowlTowel said:But isn't that how a democracy is supposed to work? I mean, if the goal is democracy why not follow what the people want?Booray said:The GOP was free to participate. It chose not to because it was denied the opportunity to put obvious obstructionists on the panel.Doc Holliday said:If you have such a strong case then why didn't your dems hold full public hearings? Why aren't they releasing full interviews?Booray said:Trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.Doc Holliday said:The economy is in freefall and choosing Biden to lead has put them in a position to lose bigger than ever.RMF5630 said:Man, talk about thick. Must be a Dem...Booray said:You are not saying anything new, correct or connected to political reality.RMF5630 said:You keep telling me McConnell said no, so why try. i get that. I am telling you that was as boneheaded a strategy as you can get and that Obama is to blame for that loss of a seat. You knew the next President was getting 2, but 3 in 4 years??Booray said:I'm sorry but you really are just flat out wrong. Like 100%.RMF5630 said:Yeah, that strategy worked well. Don't even try and put pressure on the Senate. Afterall, it is just a SCOTUS seat. You really believe that BS??? There wasn't 60, so don't try? I will stand pat with Garland and hold my breath?Booray said:Its not speculation. It was what Mitch McConnell said. There wasn't 60 v0tes for any nominee. Frankly, anyone who does not understand that political reality is not familiar with how things work in Washington.RMF5630 said:So, just throw up your hands? That Sam, is pure BS speculation that there was NO candidate that could have gotten through. McConnel was able to do it on one nominee, he may have pulled it on two. But, there is a point where McConnell feels the heat. That is how compromise occurs.Sam Lowry said:Any nominee after Garland would have had a guaranteed rejection. I'm sure Obama saw no point in sacrificing two lambs when one would suffice.RMF5630 said:True, except for Obama. It was in his contract that anything he put forward had to be accepted and approved as submitted. Every other President when not able to get a SCOTUS nominee through went back and found an acceptable candidate. But, Obama was special, he should not have had to to do that. If he wanted Garland, that was good enough...Aliceinbubbleland said:Mothra said:Aliceinbubbleland said:
I skipped 2016 Presidential election but voted for others on ballot. Congress is much more important to me than a President.
Last time I read the Constitution Congress has the power to approve SCOTUS nominees, not the President.
EVERY President had to pull nominees and negotiate other candidates, that is how we get Moderates. Heck, Reagan had to put his 3rd choice Moderate-leaning Kennedy on to get him through. Every President at least tried. Obama just threw up his hands and whined.
Your comment is exactly why I cannot stand the current Liberal wing, if you do not do exactly what they want the first time, you are attacked rather than negotiating. Spoiled children.
If you agree with that logic and strategy, regardless of whether you "really know the political reality" being so intellectually sophisticated, you really don't know how Politics go. Obama made an enormous political mistake and ended up giving Trump 3 picks putting the Dems in the position of accepting or packing the Court. Anyway you cut it, Obama screwed the pooch.
Mitch McConnell was not going to let Obama nominate anyone to the Supreme Court with an election around the corner. Control of SCOTUS has been McConnell's holy grail for decades. Why do you think he was just going to give that up? Who was the alternate nominee that would have gotten through?
And Obama can only fill vacancies that existed. So he didn't give Trump three of anything.
How much political capital does it take for Obama to throw out Jackson's name? Of course it would be a "No". That is the point, make him say "No" to 12 candidates. Every time he says "No" McConnell is under heat, not Obama. Every Candidate makes McConnell look unreasonable, not to the public but the Senators he is trying to keep in line. The GOP is not like the Dems, first Collins goes, than Murkowski, then enough to get one through with a real Moderate. Obama literally did the one thing that could allow McConnell to get away with 8 months of tying up a SCOTUS seat.
Face it, Obama screwed up, McConnell outplayed him. May have even played into Clinton losing. Just stomping their feet and saying "You confirm my guy!!!!", real effective. But, it was tyipical of Obama, great speeches no follow through.
The GOP is not like the Dems-what BS. McConnell has had complete and total control over his caucus for years. Getting to 60 on a SCOTUS nominee over McConnell's objection is just a joke.
Enjoy your life in fantasyland.
All they have is J6 and they're more concerned about it than the economy. They keep pretending like it was a big deal because they think their concern is going to translate to votes against the GOP. It will do the opposite lol
Yes, the economy sucks. Yes, the democrats will pay the price at the polls this November,
That does not change the fact that trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is a big deal.
Mass hysteria trying to turn it into 9/11 failed. That's not my opinion. Pull up a Pew survey and see how J6 rates.
At one time, most of America supported slavery, the denial of the vote to women, and Joseph McCarthy. Public opinion polls do not make policy choices correct.
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.