bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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bear2be2 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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bear2be2 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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4th and Inches said:

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YouGov/Yahoo Poll: Most important issue to vote for Congress

Inflation: 37%
Crime: 10%
Healthcare: 10%
Immigration: 9%
Climate Change: 8%
Abortion: 8%
Schools: 5%
Covid: 4%
Foreign Policy: 2%

I missed election/ Jan 6 on the list..

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This is not rocket science. It always comes down to your pocketbook.

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i wish it did.. that shoulda been a Trump vote landslide in 2020 but instead we got feelings vote dipsh..s and here we are

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Yes, no burden at all falls on the jackass who made the election a referendum on his own corrosive toxicity and made Joe Biden look attractive by comparison.

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nope- you voted feelings and bought the media bullsh.. Own it,

Trump policies were better than Bidens , the middle class and the poverty level shrank upward during his presidency.

All you had to do was stop watching stupid repeaters on mass media..

"Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery None but ourselves can free our minds" Bob Marley

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I voted against four more years of intentional, weaponized divisiveness and mainstreaming radical far-right ideologies and bat **** conspiracy theories.

I never had any illusions that Joe Biden would be a good president. And I knew I was likely voting against my own financial best interest. It wasn't an emotional decision at all. It was a calculation. I weighed all factors and found another term for Trump to be greater threat to the long-term health of our nation than four years of Biden's bumble-****ery.

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Boy were you wrong. This presidency has been a disaster in every way imaginable, and not just financially.

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We'll agree to disagree. Not on the fact that Biden's presidency has been a disaster (a relatively predictable outcome), but that his term will do more lasting damage than a second Trump term would have.

If these four years result in different, more palatable candidates (the Democrats are already quite correctly pushing for that on their end) and we can hit the reset button after a series of disastrous election cycles, it will be a good thing in the long run. And not having Trump light daily fires -- and tear at what little fabric remains of this country's institutions and shared identity -- in the meantime is an added bonus.

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bear2be2 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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bear2be2 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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4th and Inches said:

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YouGov/Yahoo Poll: Most important issue to vote for Congress

Inflation: 37%
Crime: 10%
Healthcare: 10%
Immigration: 9%
Climate Change: 8%
Abortion: 8%
Schools: 5%
Covid: 4%
Foreign Policy: 2%

I missed election/ Jan 6 on the list..

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This is not rocket science. It always comes down to your pocketbook.

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i wish it did.. that shoulda been a Trump vote landslide in 2020 but instead we got feelings vote dipsh..s and here we are

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Yes, no burden at all falls on the jackass who made the election a referendum on his own corrosive toxicity and made Joe Biden look attractive by comparison.

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nope- you voted feelings and bought the media bullsh.. Own it,

Trump policies were better than Bidens , the middle class and the poverty level shrank upward during his presidency.

All you had to do was stop watching stupid repeaters on mass media..

"Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery None but ourselves can free our minds" Bob Marley

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I voted against four more years of intentional, weaponized divisiveness and mainstreaming radical far-right ideologies and bat **** conspiracy theories.

I never had any illusions that Joe Biden would be a good president. And I knew I was likely voting against my own financial best interest. It wasn't an emotional decision at all. It was a calculation. I weighed all factors and found another term for Trump to be greater threat to the long-term health of our nation than four years of Biden's bumble-****ery.

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What far right ideologies and "bat ****" conspiracy theories were going to be mainstreamed? And do you think the Biden administration has been just as, if not more, divisive?

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The same ones that were given an audience and undue legitimacy during his first (and thankfully, only) term.

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Mothra said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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bear2be2 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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4th and Inches said:

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YouGov/Yahoo Poll: Most important issue to vote for Congress

Inflation: 37%
Crime: 10%
Healthcare: 10%
Immigration: 9%
Climate Change: 8%
Abortion: 8%
Schools: 5%
Covid: 4%
Foreign Policy: 2%

I missed election/ Jan 6 on the list..

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This is not rocket science. It always comes down to your pocketbook.

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i wish it did.. that shoulda been a Trump vote landslide in 2020 but instead we got feelings vote dipsh..s and here we are

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Yes, no burden at all falls on the jackass who made the election a referendum on his own corrosive toxicity and made Joe Biden look attractive by comparison.

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nope- you voted feelings and bought the media bullsh.. Own it,

Trump policies were better than Bidens , the middle class and the poverty level shrank upward during his presidency.

All you had to do was stop watching stupid repeaters on mass media..

"Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery None but ourselves can free our minds" Bob Marley

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I voted against four more years of intentional, weaponized divisiveness and mainstreaming radical far-right ideologies and bat **** conspiracy theories.

I never had any illusions that Joe Biden would be a good president. And I knew I was likely voting against my own financial best interest. It wasn't an emotional decision at all. It was a calculation. I weighed all factors and found another term for Trump to be greater threat to the long-term health of our nation than four years of Biden's bumble-****ery.

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What far right ideologies and "bat ****" conspiracy theories were going to be mainstreamed? And do you think the Biden administration has been just as, if not more, divisive?

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The same ones that were given an audience and undue legitimacy during his first (and thankfully, only) term.

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What were those? Curious.

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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bear2be2 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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bear2be2 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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4th and Inches said:

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YouGov/Yahoo Poll: Most important issue to vote for Congress

Inflation: 37%
Crime: 10%
Healthcare: 10%
Immigration: 9%
Climate Change: 8%
Abortion: 8%
Schools: 5%
Covid: 4%
Foreign Policy: 2%

I missed election/ Jan 6 on the list..

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This is not rocket science. It always comes down to your pocketbook.

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i wish it did.. that shoulda been a Trump vote landslide in 2020 but instead we got feelings vote dipsh..s and here we are

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Yes, no burden at all falls on the jackass who made the election a referendum on his own corrosive toxicity and made Joe Biden look attractive by comparison.

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nope- you voted feelings and bought the media bullsh.. Own it,

Trump policies were better than Bidens , the middle class and the poverty level shrank upward during his presidency.

All you had to do was stop watching stupid repeaters on mass media..

"Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery None but ourselves can free our minds" Bob Marley

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I voted against four more years of intentional, weaponized divisiveness and mainstreaming radical far-right ideologies and bat **** conspiracy theories.

I never had any illusions that Joe Biden would be a good president. And I knew I was likely voting against my own financial best interest. It wasn't an emotional decision at all. It was a calculation. I weighed all factors and found another term for Trump to be greater threat to the long-term health of our nation than four years of Biden's bumble-****ery.

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Boy were you wrong. This presidency has been a disaster in every way imaginable, and not just financially.

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We'll agree to disagree. Not on the fact that Biden's presidency has been a disaster (a relatively predictable outcome), but that his term will do more lasting damage than a second Trump term would have.

If these four years result in different, more palatable candidates (the Democrats are already quite correctly pushing for that on their end) and we can hit the reset button after a series of disastrous election cycles, it will be a good thing in the long run. And not having Trump light daily fires -- and tear at what little fabric remains of this country's institutions and shared identity -- in the meantime is an added bonus
.

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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bear2be2 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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4th and Inches said:

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YouGov/Yahoo Poll: Most important issue to vote for Congress

Inflation: 37%
Crime: 10%
Healthcare: 10%
Immigration: 9%
Climate Change: 8%
Abortion: 8%
Schools: 5%
Covid: 4%
Foreign Policy: 2%

I missed election/ Jan 6 on the list..

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This is not rocket science. It always comes down to your pocketbook.

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i wish it did.. that shoulda been a Trump vote landslide in 2020 but instead we got feelings vote dipsh..s and here we are

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Yes, no burden at all falls on the jackass who made the election a referendum on his own corrosive toxicity and made Joe Biden look attractive by comparison.

---

nope- you voted feelings and bought the media bullsh.. Own it,

Trump policies were better than Bidens , the middle class and the poverty level shrank upward during his presidency.

All you had to do was stop watching stupid repeaters on mass media..

"Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery None but ourselves can free our minds" Bob Marley

---

I voted against four more years of intentional, weaponized divisiveness and mainstreaming radical far-right ideologies and bat **** conspiracy theories.

I never had any illusions that Joe Biden would be a good president. And I knew I was likely voting against my own financial best interest. It wasn't an emotional decision at all. It was a calculation. I weighed all factors and found another term for Trump to be greater threat to the long-term health of our nation than four years of Biden's bumble-****ery.

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What far right ideologies and "bat ****" conspiracy theories were going to be mainstreamed? And do you think the Biden administration has been just as, if not more, divisive?

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The same ones that were given an audience and undue legitimacy during his first (and thankfully, only) term.

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What were those? Curious.

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The ones that convinced tens of thousands of Americans to meet at the Capitol and try to overturn an election with only Dear Leader's words as their evidence/motivation. And convinced millions of others that what those folks did wasn't really a big deal.

And if you guys are going to pretend that fringe voices weren't magnified and given token admonishments that were interpreted by those groups as unofficial endorsements during the Trump presidency, then there's little reason to proceed with this discussion.

There's one reason and one reason alone that crazy extremist groups and movements that most of us had never even heard of (The Proud Boys, The Oath Keepers, the Three Percenters, Q Anon, etc.) became mainstream and felt empowered to crawl out from under their rocks during the Trump presidency. All those groups viewed Trump as their savior, and being the textbook narcissist he is, he ate that **** up.

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bear2be2 said:

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Wangchung said:

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You're against going against the mainstream. You've spouted the mainstream rhetoric but have nothing to offer when pressed for specifics. All you remember is the FEELINGS you had while Trump was in office and then you claim the people who point out the specifics of what was good under Trump aren't able to be honest. At what point do you realize you're wholly relying on narrative to form your opinion?

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Says the folks who have convinced themselves that tens of thousands of people descending on the Capitol, threatening the lives of public officials is normal.

If you don't think you're relying on narrative -- most often handed to you by Tucker Carlson and other such fear-mongering propagandists -- you're fooling yourself.

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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bear2be2 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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4th and Inches said:

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YouGov/Yahoo Poll: Most important issue to vote for Congress

Inflation: 37%
Crime: 10%
Healthcare: 10%
Immigration: 9%
Climate Change: 8%
Abortion: 8%
Schools: 5%
Covid: 4%
Foreign Policy: 2%

I missed election/ Jan 6 on the list..

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This is not rocket science. It always comes down to your pocketbook.

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i wish it did.. that shoulda been a Trump vote landslide in 2020 but instead we got feelings vote dipsh..s and here we are

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Yes, no burden at all falls on the jackass who made the election a referendum on his own corrosive toxicity and made Joe Biden look attractive by comparison.

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nope- you voted feelings and bought the media bullsh.. Own it,

Trump policies were better than Bidens , the middle class and the poverty level shrank upward during his presidency.

All you had to do was stop watching stupid repeaters on mass media..

"Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery None but ourselves can free our minds" Bob Marley

---

I voted against four more years of intentional, weaponized divisiveness and mainstreaming radical far-right ideologies and bat **** conspiracy theories.

I never had any illusions that Joe Biden would be a good president. And I knew I was likely voting against my own financial best interest. It wasn't an emotional decision at all. It was a calculation. I weighed all factors and found another term for Trump to be greater threat to the long-term health of our nation than four years of Biden's bumble-****ery.

---

What far right ideologies and "bat ****" conspiracy theories were going to be mainstreamed? And do you think the Biden administration has been just as, if not more, divisive?

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The same ones that were given an audience and undue legitimacy during his first (and thankfully, only) term.

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What were those? Curious.

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The ones that convinced tens of thousands of Americans to meet at the Capitol and try to overturn an election with only Dear Leader's words as their evidence/motivation. And convinced millions of others that what those folks did wasn't really a big deal.

And if you guys are going to pretend that fringe voices weren't magnified and given token admonishments that were interpreted by those groups as unofficial endorsements during the Trump presidency, then there's little reason to proceed with this discussion.

There's one reason and one reason alone that crazy extremist groups and movements that most of us had never even heard of (The Proud Boys, The Oath Keepers, the Three Percenters, Q Anon, etc.) became mainstream and felt empowered to crawl out from under their rocks during the Trump presidency. All those groups viewed Trump as their savior, and being the textbook narcissist he is, he ate that **** up.

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Got it. So you're talking about the election fraud conspiracy after Trump lost. I thought you were talking about actual policy.

You're right - we will agree to disagree that the election fraud conspiracy after Trump lost was worse than the current policy disasters that are affecting every Americans life right now on a daily basis.

When you're far worse off financially and closer to nuclear war than at any point since the early 80's, you've been a disaster.

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I've never been talking about policy, and I've made that clear.

My issue with Trump is the corrosive effect his rhetoric and behavior have had on our nation. You guys downplay that as "mean tweets," ignoring the very real damage it has done to our national identity/unity and institutions that are vital to the preservation of our democracy.

Y'all can overlook those things for tax breaks and cheap gas. I can't. And neither could 81 million other Americans who were voting against Trump more than they were voting for Biden. That you guys can't fathom that the world's biggest ******* might inspire the opposition speaks to the disconnect many of y'all have with Trump. Not everyone can rationalize/defend/accept clearly despicable behavior and the real-world consequences those things bring.

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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bear2be2 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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4th and Inches said:

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YouGov/Yahoo Poll: Most important issue to vote for Congress

Inflation: 37%
Crime: 10%
Healthcare: 10%
Immigration: 9%
Climate Change: 8%
Abortion: 8%
Schools: 5%
Covid: 4%
Foreign Policy: 2%

I missed election/ Jan 6 on the list..

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This is not rocket science. It always comes down to your pocketbook.

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i wish it did.. that shoulda been a Trump vote landslide in 2020 but instead we got feelings vote dipsh..s and here we are

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Yes, no burden at all falls on the jackass who made the election a referendum on his own corrosive toxicity and made Joe Biden look attractive by comparison.

---

nope- you voted feelings and bought the media bullsh.. Own it,

Trump policies were better than Bidens , the middle class and the poverty level shrank upward during his presidency.

All you had to do was stop watching stupid repeaters on mass media..

"Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery None but ourselves can free our minds" Bob Marley

---

I voted against four more years of intentional, weaponized divisiveness and mainstreaming radical far-right ideologies and bat **** conspiracy theories.

I never had any illusions that Joe Biden would be a good president. And I knew I was likely voting against my own financial best interest. It wasn't an emotional decision at all. It was a calculation. I weighed all factors and found another term for Trump to be greater threat to the long-term health of our nation than four years of Biden's bumble-****ery.

---

What far right ideologies and "bat ****" conspiracy theories were going to be mainstreamed? And do you think the Biden administration has been just as, if not more, divisive?

---

The same ones that were given an audience and undue legitimacy during his first (and thankfully, only) term.

---

What were those? Curious.

---

The ones that convinced tens of thousands of Americans to meet at the Capitol and try to overturn an election with only Dear Leader's words as their evidence/motivation. And convinced millions of others that what those folks did wasn't really a big deal.

And if you guys are going to pretend that fringe voices weren't magnified and given token admonishments that were interpreted by those groups as unofficial endorsements during the Trump presidency, then there's little reason to proceed with this discussion.

There's one reason and one reason alone that crazy extremist groups and movements that most of us had never even heard of (The Proud Boys, The Oath Keepers, the Three Percenters, Q Anon, etc.) became mainstream and felt empowered to crawl out from under their rocks during the Trump presidency. All those groups viewed Trump as their savior, and being the textbook narcissist he is, he ate that **** up.

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Got it. So you're talking about the election fraud conspiracy after Trump lost. I thought you were talking about actual policy.

You're right - we will agree to disagree that the election fraud conspiracy after Trump lost was worse than the current policy disasters that are affecting every Americans life right now on a daily basis.

When you're far worse off financially and closer to nuclear war than at any point since the early 80's, you've been a disaster.

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I've never been talking about policy, and I've made that clear.

My issue with Trump is the corrosive effect his rhetoric and behavior have had on our nation. You guys downplay that as "mean tweets," ignoring the very real damage it has done to our national identity/unity and institutions that are vital to the preservation of our democracy.

Y'all can overlook those things for tax breaks and cheap gas. I can't. And neither could 81 million other Americans who were voting against Trump more than they were voting for Biden. That you guys can't fathom that the world's biggest ******* might inspire the opposition speaks to the disconnect many of y'all have with Trump. Not everyone can rationalize/defend/accept clearly despicable behavior and the real-world consequences those things bring.

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Mothra said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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bear2be2 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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4th and Inches said:

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YouGov/Yahoo Poll: Most important issue to vote for Congress

Inflation: 37%
Crime: 10%
Healthcare: 10%
Immigration: 9%
Climate Change: 8%
Abortion: 8%
Schools: 5%
Covid: 4%
Foreign Policy: 2%

I missed election/ Jan 6 on the list..

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This is not rocket science. It always comes down to your pocketbook.

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i wish it did.. that shoulda been a Trump vote landslide in 2020 but instead we got feelings vote dipsh..s and here we are

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Yes, no burden at all falls on the jackass who made the election a referendum on his own corrosive toxicity and made Joe Biden look attractive by comparison.

---

nope- you voted feelings and bought the media bullsh.. Own it,

Trump policies were better than Bidens , the middle class and the poverty level shrank upward during his presidency.

All you had to do was stop watching stupid repeaters on mass media..

"Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery None but ourselves can free our minds" Bob Marley

---

I voted against four more years of intentional, weaponized divisiveness and mainstreaming radical far-right ideologies and bat **** conspiracy theories.

I never had any illusions that Joe Biden would be a good president. And I knew I was likely voting against my own financial best interest. It wasn't an emotional decision at all. It was a calculation. I weighed all factors and found another term for Trump to be greater threat to the long-term health of our nation than four years of Biden's bumble-****ery.

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What far right ideologies and "bat ****" conspiracy theories were going to be mainstreamed? And do you think the Biden administration has been just as, if not more, divisive?

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The same ones that were given an audience and undue legitimacy during his first (and thankfully, only) term.

---

What were those? Curious.

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The ones that convinced tens of thousands of Americans to meet at the Capitol and try to overturn an election with only Dear Leader's words as their evidence/motivation. And convinced millions of others that what those folks did wasn't really a big deal.

And if you guys are going to pretend that fringe voices weren't magnified and given token admonishments that were interpreted by those groups as unofficial endorsements during the Trump presidency, then there's little reason to proceed with this discussion.

There's one reason and one reason alone that crazy extremist groups and movements that most of us had never even heard of (The Proud Boys, The Oath Keepers, the Three Percenters, Q Anon, etc.) became mainstream and felt empowered to crawl out from under their rocks during the Trump presidency. All those groups viewed Trump as their savior, and being the textbook narcissist he is, he ate that **** up.

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Got it. So you're talking about the election fraud conspiracy after Trump lost. I thought you were talking about actual policy.

You're right - we will agree to disagree that the election fraud conspiracy after Trump lost was worse than the current policy disasters that are affecting every Americans life right now on a daily basis.

When you're far worse off financially and closer to nuclear war than at any point since the early 80's, you've been a disaster.

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I've never been talking about policy, and I've made that clear.

My issue with Trump is the corrosive effect his rhetoric and behavior have had on our nation. You guys downplay that as "mean tweets," ignoring the very real damage it has done to our national identity/unity and institutions that are vital to the preservation of our democracy.

Y'all can overlook those things for tax breaks and cheap gas. I can't. And neither could 81 million other Americans who were voting against Trump more than they were voting for Biden. That you guys can't fathom that the world's biggest ******* might inspire the opposition speaks to the disconnect many of y'all have with Trump. Not everyone can rationalize/defend/accept clearly despicable behavior and the real-world consequences those things bring.

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I do not and have never overlooked Trump's boorish behavior. It's something I regularly complained about while he was president. So I understand what you're saying about the corrosive effect of his presidency.

I just don't think it's nearly as damaging to the republic as you make it, and certainly not as damaging as the policies that have an actual effect on peoples' lives. When the wokesters have been taking to social media for years, accusing conservatives of homophobia, racism, hate speech, etc. and have actively attempted - with the assistance of the social media conglomerates - to cancel those with conservative opinions for years, the idea that Trump's abrasiveness is causing lasting damage just rings hollow.

I think we both know that if those voters had to do it all over again, Biden would not be our president. The majority now realize what a mistake they made in electing this disaster. It is showing up in all the polls. I wish people had been more pragmatic and had voted on policy. But alas we have a short-sighted electorate.

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Yeah, the Proud boys etc all just appeared because of Trump rhetoric, right? Not because Antifa and other leftists were violently attacking conservatives who dared to have a protest or even merely a march to express their right of free speech.

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Right, because if you're upset about left-wing anarchists the first thing you want to do is attack Mike Pence.

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Is that what the Proud Boys etc we're doing during Trump's 4 years in office? Going after Pence?

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bear2be2 said:

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Wangchung said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Wangchung said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Wangchung said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Yeah, the Proud boys etc all just appeared because of Trump rhetoric, right? Not because Antifa and other leftists were violently attacking conservatives who dared to have a protest or even merely a march to express their right of free speech.

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You know what's great about the ability to condemn all extremist groups? You don't have to play the whatabout game, in effect defending white supremacists and ********s.

Antifa sucks. But that has nothing to do with the empowerment far right wing groups and conspiracy theorists felt during Trump's time in office.

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That's the problem with declaring everyone you disagree with as "white supremacists", eventually all your arguments devolve into the race card no matter how ludicrous the accusation ends up being every time.

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We're talking about literal white nationalist groups in many cases here. Like self-avowed. That you feel enough connection to these extremist groups to defend them is probably something you should explore.

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Which ones? Be specific. Depart from your reliance on narrative for once.

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My reliance on narrative? I guess the Unite the Right rally only happened in my imagination and that the "Jews will not replace us" and "blood and soil" chants weren't real.

Seriously, why is it so hard for you to separate yourself from obviously despicable people? Tribalism will end our species.

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Ah, so the media narrative that they were ALL Nazis or racists because some of those Nazis showed up is your chosen narrative? Nevermind that group A had a permit to protest the removal of a statue and the violent anti-free speech mob of group B showed up without a permit and started trouble, right? The media says it's all Trump's fault so that's your answer?

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It wasn't a few problematic people. If you were marching with tiki torches that night, odds are you're a racist piece of *****

My questions for you are 1) why did far-right extremist groups feel emboldened to go mainstream during Trump's time in office? And 2) why can't you flatly condemn far-right extremism?

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