Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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I'm not sure what you mean by third party. Understand, for example, that it's not hearsay if a witness hears Trump order the SS to get rid of the mags. That's first-hand testimony.

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Like this?

🚨 A source close to the Secret Service tells me both Bobby Engel, the lead agent, and the presidential limousine/SUV driver are prepared to testify under oath that neither man was assaulted and that Mr. Trump never lunged for the steering wheel.

— Peter Alexander (@PeterAlexander) June 28, 2022

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No, that's hearsay.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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I'm not sure what you mean by third party. Understand, for example, that it's not hearsay if a witness hears Trump order the SS to get rid of the mags. That's first-hand testimony.

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Like this?

🚨 A source close to the Secret Service tells me both Bobby Engel, the lead agent, and the presidential limousine/SUV driver are prepared to testify under oath that neither man was assaulted and that Mr. Trump never lunged for the steering wheel.

— Peter Alexander (@PeterAlexander) June 28, 2022

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No, that's hearsay.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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I'm not sure what you mean by third party. Understand, for example, that it's not hearsay if a witness hears Trump order the SS to get rid of the mags. That's first-hand testimony.

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Like this?

🚨 A source close to the Secret Service tells me both Bobby Engel, the lead agent, and the presidential limousine/SUV driver are prepared to testify under oath that neither man was assaulted and that Mr. Trump never lunged for the steering wheel.

— Peter Alexander (@PeterAlexander) June 28, 2022

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No, that's hearsay.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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I'm not sure what you mean by third party. Understand, for example, that it's not hearsay if a witness hears Trump order the SS to get rid of the mags. That's first-hand testimony.

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Like this?

🚨 A source close to the Secret Service tells me both Bobby Engel, the lead agent, and the presidential limousine/SUV driver are prepared to testify under oath that neither man was assaulted and that Mr. Trump never lunged for the steering wheel.

— Peter Alexander (@PeterAlexander) June 28, 2022

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No, that's hearsay.

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If they both publicly come forward and claim as much, is that hearsay?

Lets say it does happen, is Hutchinson's claim factual?

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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I'm not sure what you mean by third party. Understand, for example, that it's not hearsay if a witness hears Trump order the SS to get rid of the mags. That's first-hand testimony.

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Like this?

🚨 A source close to the Secret Service tells me both Bobby Engel, the lead agent, and the presidential limousine/SUV driver are prepared to testify under oath that neither man was assaulted and that Mr. Trump never lunged for the steering wheel.

— Peter Alexander (@PeterAlexander) June 28, 2022

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No, that's hearsay.

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Really? Do tell. What out of court statement is being asserted to prove the truth of the matter asserted?

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Oldbear83 said:

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Has anyone stopped to consider how difficult it would be for the President, sitting in the back of the 18-foot limousine, to even reach the steering wheel if he tried?

But sure, go with the unsupported, outrageous story if it fits your assumptions.

That is why this committee will not accomplish what they imagine they will accomplish.

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Sam Lowry said:

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The committee has already interviewed the agents, BTW. Engel confirmed the most important aspect of the story, which is that Trump insisted on going to the Capitol and they had to refuse.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Has anyone stopped to consider how difficult it would be for the President, sitting in the back of the 18-foot limousine, to even reach the steering wheel if he tried?

But sure, go with the unsupported, outrageous story if it fits your assumptions.

That is why this committee will not accomplish what they imagine they will accomplish.

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The committee has already interviewed the agents, BTW. Engel confirmed the most important aspect of the story, which is that Trump insisted on going to the Capitol and they had to refuse.

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the committee has interviewed them and have no corroboration of Hutchinson testimony as reported on CNN.

The most important part of the story is half of it is made up.. fiction is fiction even with a basis in truth

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As then-President Donald Trump left a rally with his supporters on Jan. 6, 2021, he appears to have held out hope until the last minute -- even as chaos unfolded -- that he'd be able to join them at the Capitol.

Trump even raised the prospect privately with the head of his Secret Service detail at the time, Robert Engel, according to a person familiar with the agent's congressional testimony. Engel rode with Trump in the presidential armored car called "The Beast" back to the White House after the Ellipse rally that preceded that day's violent riot.

Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trump's desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engel's testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.

The testimony shows just how much Trump wanted to be at the Capitol with his backers as Congress voted to certify his Electoral College loss to Joe Biden. And he expressed his desire to join the protesters even as violence was unfolding.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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I'm not sure what you mean by third party. Understand, for example, that it's not hearsay if a witness hears Trump order the SS to get rid of the mags. That's first-hand testimony.

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Didn't Trump tell the SS to confiscate weapons before letting them in and he wasn't concerned for his safety? Where is the illegal part? Telling them to get rid of the mags is illegal how? I am missing the point of this blockbuster testimony. Where does he say take away the mags so the weapons will be used to storm Congress and overthrow the Govt?? I am missing that. It was his rally.

If they wanted to arrest people with weapons why didn't law enforcement. What are the gun laws in DC? Did they have conceal & carry licenses. Still not seeing the conspiracy to overthrow the Govt.

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Magnetometers. He wanted them to stop confiscating the weapons.

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What I don't see is how his asking to remove the mags is illegal. The jump from he wants a bigger crowd for his ego becomes a coup to overthrow the Govt.

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Well, it was that and then also the fact there was this coup a little while later. Tends to raise suspicions.

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Coup? And just how were they going to take control of the Government? How were they going to do anything more than frighten Congress? Seriously, how was this a coup? You really think anything beyond the initial hour was going to hold or change?

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Guy Noir said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Has anyone stopped to consider how difficult it would be for the President, sitting in the back of the 18-foot limousine, to even reach the steering wheel if he tried?

But sure, go with the unsupported, outrageous story if it fits your assumptions.

That is why this committee will not accomplish what they imagine they will accomplish.

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I suggest you get acquainted with all the facts before you dismiss the things you with which you disagree.

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The committee has already interviewed the agents, BTW. Engel confirmed the most important aspect of the story, which is that Trump insisted on going to the Capitol and they had to refuse.

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the committee has interviewed them and have no corroboration of Hutchinson testimony as reported on CNN.

The most important part of the story is half of it is made up.. fiction is fiction even with a basis in truth

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They have corroboration of Trump's dispute with the agents, and its outcome:

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As then-President Donald Trump left a rally with his supporters on Jan. 6, 2021, he appears to have held out hope until the last minute -- even as chaos unfolded -- that he'd be able to join them at the Capitol.

Trump even raised the prospect privately with the head of his Secret Service detail at the time, Robert Engel, according to a person familiar with the agent's congressional testimony. Engel rode with Trump in the presidential armored car called "The Beast" back to the White House after the Ellipse rally that preceded that day's violent riot.

Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trump's desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engel's testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.

The testimony shows just how much Trump wanted to be at the Capitol with his backers as Congress voted to certify his Electoral College loss to Joe Biden. And he expressed his desire to join the protesters even as violence was unfolding.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217

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yawn.. fake

Trump wasnt in the beast, thanks for playing. Posted the video earlier in this thread showin proof he wasnt.

Why you keep posting fake information? Help ministry of truth!!

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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I'm not sure what you mean by third party. Understand, for example, that it's not hearsay if a witness hears Trump order the SS to get rid of the mags. That's first-hand testimony.

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Didn't Trump tell the SS to confiscate weapons before letting them in and he wasn't concerned for his safety? Where is the illegal part? Telling them to get rid of the mags is illegal how? I am missing the point of this blockbuster testimony. Where does he say take away the mags so the weapons will be used to storm Congress and overthrow the Govt?? I am missing that. It was his rally.

If they wanted to arrest people with weapons why didn't law enforcement. What are the gun laws in DC? Did they have conceal & carry licenses. Still not seeing the conspiracy to overthrow the Govt.

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Magnetometers. He wanted them to stop confiscating the weapons.

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What I don't see is how his asking to remove the mags is illegal. The jump from he wants a bigger crowd for his ego becomes a coup to overthrow the Govt.

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Well, it was that and then also the fact there was this coup a little while later. Tends to raise suspicions.

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Coup? And just how were they going to take control of the Government? How were they going to do anything more than frighten Congress? Seriously, how was this a coup? You really think anything beyond the initial hour was going to hold or change?

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They thought it. That's how it was a coup, albeit unsuccessful.

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did they sneak the nukes and F35s past the metal detectors? Biden said they would need those to be successful

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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I'm not sure what you mean by third party. Understand, for example, that it's not hearsay if a witness hears Trump order the SS to get rid of the mags. That's first-hand testimony.

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Didn't Trump tell the SS to confiscate weapons before letting them in and he wasn't concerned for his safety? Where is the illegal part? Telling them to get rid of the mags is illegal how? I am missing the point of this blockbuster testimony. Where does he say take away the mags so the weapons will be used to storm Congress and overthrow the Govt?? I am missing that. It was his rally.

If they wanted to arrest people with weapons why didn't law enforcement. What are the gun laws in DC? Did they have conceal & carry licenses. Still not seeing the conspiracy to overthrow the Govt.

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Magnetometers. He wanted them to stop confiscating the weapons.

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What I don't see is how his asking to remove the mags is illegal. The jump from he wants a bigger crowd for his ego becomes a coup to overthrow the Govt.

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Well, it was that and then also the fact there was this coup a little while later. Tends to raise suspicions.

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Coup? And just how were they going to take control of the Government? How were they going to do anything more than frighten Congress? Seriously, how was this a coup? You really think anything beyond the initial hour was going to hold or change?

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They thought it. That's how it was a coup, albeit unsuccessful.

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The committee has already interviewed the agents, BTW. Engel confirmed the most important aspect of the story, which is that Trump insisted on going to the Capitol and they had to refuse.

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How is that illegal or even bad again?

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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I'm not sure what you mean by third party. Understand, for example, that it's not hearsay if a witness hears Trump order the SS to get rid of the mags. That's first-hand testimony.

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Didn't Trump tell the SS to confiscate weapons before letting them in and he wasn't concerned for his safety? Where is the illegal part? Telling them to get rid of the mags is illegal how? I am missing the point of this blockbuster testimony. Where does he say take away the mags so the weapons will be used to storm Congress and overthrow the Govt?? I am missing that. It was his rally.

If they wanted to arrest people with weapons why didn't law enforcement. What are the gun laws in DC? Did they have conceal & carry licenses. Still not seeing the conspiracy to overthrow the Govt.

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Magnetometers. He wanted them to stop confiscating the weapons.

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What I don't see is how his asking to remove the mags is illegal. The jump from he wants a bigger crowd for his ego becomes a coup to overthrow the Govt.

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Well, it was that and then also the fact there was this coup a little while later. Tends to raise suspicions.

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Coup? And just how were they going to take control of the Government? How were they going to do anything more than frighten Congress? Seriously, how was this a coup? You really think anything beyond the initial hour was going to hold or change?

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They thought it. That's how it was a coup, albeit unsuccessful.

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How many were arrested? 700+? So where is the problem? Oh, that Trump was behind it? That he acted to noncommittal that Congress had to hide?

I am still struggling with the criminal issues for the Trump Administration. Pence certified, right? No one was pardoned, right? Trump left, right? Where is the act that is warranting this sideshow? Italian food may have a case...

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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I'm not sure what you mean by third party. Understand, for example, that it's not hearsay if a witness hears Trump order the SS to get rid of the mags. That's first-hand testimony.

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Didn't Trump tell the SS to confiscate weapons before letting them in and he wasn't concerned for his safety? Where is the illegal part? Telling them to get rid of the mags is illegal how? I am missing the point of this blockbuster testimony. Where does he say take away the mags so the weapons will be used to storm Congress and overthrow the Govt?? I am missing that. It was his rally.

If they wanted to arrest people with weapons why didn't law enforcement. What are the gun laws in DC? Did they have conceal & carry licenses. Still not seeing the conspiracy to overthrow the Govt.

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Magnetometers. He wanted them to stop confiscating the weapons.

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What I don't see is how his asking to remove the mags is illegal. The jump from he wants a bigger crowd for his ego becomes a coup to overthrow the Govt.

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Well, it was that and then also the fact there was this coup a little while later. Tends to raise suspicions.

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Coup? And just how were they going to take control of the Government? How were they going to do anything more than frighten Congress? Seriously, how was this a coup? You really think anything beyond the initial hour was going to hold or change?

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They thought it. That's how it was a coup, albeit unsuccessful.

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did they sneak the nukes and F35s past the metal detectors? Biden said they would need those to be successful

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And you believed him?

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The committee has already interviewed the agents, BTW. Engel confirmed the most important aspect of the story, which is that Trump insisted on going to the Capitol and they had to refuse.

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How is that illegal or even bad again?

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Well, you can be pretty sure at this point he wasn't going there to calm things down.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Has anyone stopped to consider how difficult it would be for the President, sitting in the back of the 18-foot limousine, to even reach the steering wheel if he tried?

But sure, go with the unsupported, outrageous story if it fits your assumptions.

That is why this committee will not accomplish what they imagine they will accomplish.

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I think they were in an SUV.

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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I'm not sure what you mean by third party. Understand, for example, that it's not hearsay if a witness hears Trump order the SS to get rid of the mags. That's first-hand testimony.

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Didn't Trump tell the SS to confiscate weapons before letting them in and he wasn't concerned for his safety? Where is the illegal part? Telling them to get rid of the mags is illegal how? I am missing the point of this blockbuster testimony. Where does he say take away the mags so the weapons will be used to storm Congress and overthrow the Govt?? I am missing that. It was his rally.

If they wanted to arrest people with weapons why didn't law enforcement. What are the gun laws in DC? Did they have conceal & carry licenses. Still not seeing the conspiracy to overthrow the Govt.

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Magnetometers. He wanted them to stop confiscating the weapons.

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What I don't see is how his asking to remove the mags is illegal. The jump from he wants a bigger crowd for his ego becomes a coup to overthrow the Govt.

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Well, it was that and then also the fact there was this coup a little while later. Tends to raise suspicions.

---

Coup? And just how were they going to take control of the Government? How were they going to do anything more than frighten Congress? Seriously, how was this a coup? You really think anything beyond the initial hour was going to hold or change?

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They thought it. That's how it was a coup, albeit unsuccessful.

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How many were arrested? 700+? So where is the problem? Oh, that Trump was behind it? That he acted to noncommittal that Congress had to hide?

I am still struggling with the criminal issues for the Trump Administration. Pence certified, right? No one was pardoned, right? Trump left, right? Where is the act that is warranting this sideshow? Italian food may have a case...

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The problem is that Trump acted in a way that foreseeably led to violence. How does Pence certifying make that okay?

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This is about Trumps attempted coup and attack on American Deocracy. Yet, his Administration did everything required at the time it was required. Every thing went forward on time.

Pence was Trump's VP. The Trump Adiministration is a reflection on Trump, for BETTER and worse. You can't just say his Admin did something bad, it was Trump. Than when they do what they are supposed to say Trump.gets no credit. Regardless of what Trump said or how many spaghetti lunches he threw, his Admin met their Constitutional responsibilities on schedule. You totally disregard what they actually did in favor of rhetoric!

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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I'm not sure what you mean by third party. Understand, for example, that it's not hearsay if a witness hears Trump order the SS to get rid of the mags. That's first-hand testimony.

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Didn't Trump tell the SS to confiscate weapons before letting them in and he wasn't concerned for his safety? Where is the illegal part? Telling them to get rid of the mags is illegal how? I am missing the point of this blockbuster testimony. Where does he say take away the mags so the weapons will be used to storm Congress and overthrow the Govt?? I am missing that. It was his rally.

If they wanted to arrest people with weapons why didn't law enforcement. What are the gun laws in DC? Did they have conceal & carry licenses. Still not seeing the conspiracy to overthrow the Govt.

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Magnetometers. He wanted them to stop confiscating the weapons.

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What I don't see is how his asking to remove the mags is illegal. The jump from he wants a bigger crowd for his ego becomes a coup to overthrow the Govt.

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Well, it was that and then also the fact there was this coup a little while later. Tends to raise suspicions.

---

Coup? And just how were they going to take control of the Government? How were they going to do anything more than frighten Congress? Seriously, how was this a coup? You really think anything beyond the initial hour was going to hold or change?

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They thought it. That's how it was a coup, albeit unsuccessful.

---

How many were arrested? 700+? So where is the problem? Oh, that Trump was behind it? That he acted to noncommittal that Congress had to hide?

I am still struggling with the criminal issues for the Trump Administration. Pence certified, right? No one was pardoned, right? Trump left, right? Where is the act that is warranting this sideshow? Italian food may have a case...

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The problem is that Trump acted in a way that foreseeably led to violence. How does Pence certifying make that okay?

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This is about Trumps attempted coup and attack on American Deocracy. Yet, his Administration did everything required at the time it was required. Every thing went forward on time.

Pence was Trump's VP. The Trump Adiministration is a reflection on Trump, for BETTER and worse. You can't just say his Admin did something bad, it was Trump. Than when they do what they are supposed to say Trump.gets no credit. Regardless of what Trump said or how many spaghetti lunches he threw, his Admin met their Constitutional responsibilities on schedule. You totally disregard what they actually did in favor of rhetoric!

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What does that have to do with anything? You do realize Trump and Pence weren't exactly on the same page.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Has anyone stopped to consider how difficult it would be for the President, sitting in the back of the 18-foot limousine, to even reach the steering wheel if he tried?

But sure, go with the unsupported, outrageous story if it fits your assumptions.

That is why this committee will not accomplish what they imagine they will accomplish.

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I think they were in an SUV.

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Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.

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He Hate Me said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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I'm not sure what you mean by third party. Understand, for example, that it's not hearsay if a witness hears Trump order the SS to get rid of the mags. That's first-hand testimony.

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Didn't Trump tell the SS to confiscate weapons before letting them in and he wasn't concerned for his safety? Where is the illegal part? Telling them to get rid of the mags is illegal how? I am missing the point of this blockbuster testimony. Where does he say take away the mags so the weapons will be used to storm Congress and overthrow the Govt?? I am missing that. It was his rally.

If they wanted to arrest people with weapons why didn't law enforcement. What are the gun laws in DC? Did they have conceal & carry licenses. Still not seeing the conspiracy to overthrow the Govt.

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Magnetometers. He wanted them to stop confiscating the weapons.

---

What I don't see is how his asking to remove the mags is illegal. The jump from he wants a bigger crowd for his ego becomes a coup to overthrow the Govt.

---

Well, it was that and then also the fact there was this coup a little while later. Tends to raise suspicions.

---

Coup? And just how were they going to take control of the Government? How were they going to do anything more than frighten Congress? Seriously, how was this a coup? You really think anything beyond the initial hour was going to hold or change?

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They thought it. That's how it was a coup, albeit unsuccessful.

---

How many were arrested? 700+? So where is the problem? Oh, that Trump was behind it? That he acted to noncommittal that Congress had to hide?

I am still struggling with the criminal issues for the Trump Administration. Pence certified, right? No one was pardoned, right? Trump left, right? Where is the act that is warranting this sideshow? Italian food may have a case...

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The problem is that Trump acted in a way that foreseeably led to violence. How does Pence certifying make that okay?

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This is about Trumps attempted coup and attack on American Deocracy. Yet, his Administration did everything required at the time it was required. Every thing went forward on time.

Pence was Trump's VP. The Trump Adiministration is a reflection on Trump, for BETTER and worse. You can't just say his Admin did something bad, it was Trump. Than when they do what they are supposed to say Trump.gets no credit. Regardless of what Trump said or how many spaghetti lunches he threw, his Admin met their Constitutional responsibilities on schedule. You totally disregard what they actually did in favor of rhetoric!

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What does that have to do with anything? You do realize Trump and Pence weren't exactly on the same page.

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Who cares? You said J6 hearings are not about Trump per se. We must be concerned that the current administration is a threat to our system of government. That would be oversight.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Has anyone stopped to consider how difficult it would be for the President, sitting in the back of the 18-foot limousine, to even reach the steering wheel if he tried?

But sure, go with the unsupported, outrageous story if it fits your assumptions.

That is why this committee will not accomplish what they imagine they will accomplish.

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I think they were in an SUV.

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Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.

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Yeah, but there's a picture that's claimed to show otherwise. The reason for the discrepancy isn't clear without the agents' testimony. I don't know that it would be prohibitively difficult for Trump to move 18 feet, especially as enraged as he seems to have been.

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Sam Lowry said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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I'm not sure what you mean by third party. Understand, for example, that it's not hearsay if a witness hears Trump order the SS to get rid of the mags. That's first-hand testimony.

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Didn't Trump tell the SS to confiscate weapons before letting them in and he wasn't concerned for his safety? Where is the illegal part? Telling them to get rid of the mags is illegal how? I am missing the point of this blockbuster testimony. Where does he say take away the mags so the weapons will be used to storm Congress and overthrow the Govt?? I am missing that. It was his rally.

If they wanted to arrest people with weapons why didn't law enforcement. What are the gun laws in DC? Did they have conceal & carry licenses. Still not seeing the conspiracy to overthrow the Govt.

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Magnetometers. He wanted them to stop confiscating the weapons.

---

What I don't see is how his asking to remove the mags is illegal. The jump from he wants a bigger crowd for his ego becomes a coup to overthrow the Govt.

---

Well, it was that and then also the fact there was this coup a little while later. Tends to raise suspicions.

---

Coup? And just how were they going to take control of the Government? How were they going to do anything more than frighten Congress? Seriously, how was this a coup? You really think anything beyond the initial hour was going to hold or change?

---

They thought it. That's how it was a coup, albeit unsuccessful.

---

How many were arrested? 700+? So where is the problem? Oh, that Trump was behind it? That he acted to noncommittal that Congress had to hide?

I am still struggling with the criminal issues for the Trump Administration. Pence certified, right? No one was pardoned, right? Trump left, right? Where is the act that is warranting this sideshow? Italian food may have a case...

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The problem is that Trump acted in a way that foreseeably led to violence. How does Pence certifying make that okay?

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This is about Trumps attempted coup and attack on American Deocracy. Yet, his Administration did everything required at the time it was required. Every thing went forward on time.

Pence was Trump's VP. The Trump Adiministration is a reflection on Trump, for BETTER and worse. You can't just say his Admin did something bad, it was Trump. Than when they do what they are supposed to say Trump.gets no credit. Regardless of what Trump said or how many spaghetti lunches he threw, his Admin met their Constitutional responsibilities on schedule. You totally disregard what they actually did in favor of rhetoric!

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What does that have to do with anything? You do realize Trump and Pence weren't exactly on the same page.

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Who cares? You said J6 hearings are not about Trump per se. We must be concerned that the current administration is a threat to our system of government. That would be oversight.

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It's not about the administration per se. It's about what laws are appropriate and how effective they are. And I would think a threat to our system of government should be a concern either way, but obviously that's just me.

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