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Oldbear83
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"There were reportedly at least 200 undercover government agents in the crowd and several government sources stoking on the crowd."

Actually, that sounds like someone saw an opportunity for political weaponizing of a protest.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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Sam Lowry said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

Seems to be warning of more than rowdy tourists
That email points out the absolute failure of the people in charge of the capital police / building security and everybody who can make a decision.
It doesn't really point out anything. All it says is that sometimes people don't take threats seriously enough, he hopes that didn't happen in this case, and there should be an investigation. Not exactly earth-shattering.
Geez, Sam. ANYTHING that comes out that may show that this was not all Trump is ho-hum.

He threw his plate being upset after news he didn't like, see lock him up.

Can you try to be a little objective?
If you asked me to defend Trump and brought me this document as evidence, my objective advice would be that you need to do a whole lot better. There's not one relevant evidentiary point in the entire letter.
No one is asking to defend Trump. But, there was intelligence about several organizations were going to be there and cause trouble, steps were not taken to ensure the Capital was secured. That plays into Jan 6th. It is not all about Trump, there are other things the Jan 6th Commission should be discussing. But, they are micro-focused on Trump.
If that's true I'm sure the interim report will address it.
Will it? So far, all we have heard is Trump, Trump, Trump... To the point of what he ate for lunch. I have not heard the Jan 6th Commission discuss what was known/suspected before and who made the decisions not to have a presence. Was Mayor Bowser called before to discuss the National Guard?
Yes, in fact they're preparing a whole separate report on that topic.
Why a different report? Why isn't it discussed on national TV?
It's not going to be particularly interesting or helpful to Trump. It's one more thing he's been lying about and not even among the most important. Covering it in detail on TV would just be wasting time and running up the score.
"trust us". The govt
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4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Osodecentx said:

Seems to be warning of more than rowdy tourists
That email points out the absolute failure of the people in charge of the capital police / building security and everybody who can make a decision.
It doesn't really point out anything. All it says is that sometimes people don't take threats seriously enough, he hopes that didn't happen in this case, and there should be an investigation. Not exactly earth-shattering.
Geez, Sam. ANYTHING that comes out that may show that this was not all Trump is ho-hum.

He threw his plate being upset after news he didn't like, see lock him up.

Can you try to be a little objective?
If you asked me to defend Trump and brought me this document as evidence, my objective advice would be that you need to do a whole lot better. There's not one relevant evidentiary point in the entire letter.
No one is asking to defend Trump. But, there was intelligence about several organizations were going to be there and cause trouble, steps were not taken to ensure the Capital was secured. That plays into Jan 6th. It is not all about Trump, there are other things the Jan 6th Commission should be discussing. But, they are micro-focused on Trump.
If that's true I'm sure the interim report will address it.
Will it? So far, all we have heard is Trump, Trump, Trump... To the point of what he ate for lunch. I have not heard the Jan 6th Commission discuss what was known/suspected before and who made the decisions not to have a presence. Was Mayor Bowser called before to discuss the National Guard?
Yes, in fact they're preparing a whole separate report on that topic.
Why a different report? Why isn't it discussed on national TV?
It's not going to be particularly interesting or helpful to Trump. It's one more thing he's been lying about and not even among the most important. Covering it in detail on TV would just be wasting time and running up the score.
"trust us". The govt
The information is already out there. They said as much when they announced the report. That's part of the reason it's not a priority.
4th and Inches
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Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Osodecentx said:

Seems to be warning of more than rowdy tourists
That email points out the absolute failure of the people in charge of the capital police / building security and everybody who can make a decision.
It doesn't really point out anything. All it says is that sometimes people don't take threats seriously enough, he hopes that didn't happen in this case, and there should be an investigation. Not exactly earth-shattering.
Geez, Sam. ANYTHING that comes out that may show that this was not all Trump is ho-hum.

He threw his plate being upset after news he didn't like, see lock him up.

Can you try to be a little objective?
If you asked me to defend Trump and brought me this document as evidence, my objective advice would be that you need to do a whole lot better. There's not one relevant evidentiary point in the entire letter.
No one is asking to defend Trump. But, there was intelligence about several organizations were going to be there and cause trouble, steps were not taken to ensure the Capital was secured. That plays into Jan 6th. It is not all about Trump, there are other things the Jan 6th Commission should be discussing. But, they are micro-focused on Trump.
If that's true I'm sure the interim report will address it.
Will it? So far, all we have heard is Trump, Trump, Trump... To the point of what he ate for lunch. I have not heard the Jan 6th Commission discuss what was known/suspected before and who made the decisions not to have a presence. Was Mayor Bowser called before to discuss the National Guard?
Yes, in fact they're preparing a whole separate report on that topic.
Why a different report? Why isn't it discussed on national TV?
It's not going to be particularly interesting or helpful to Trump. It's one more thing he's been lying about and not even among the most important. Covering it in detail on TV would just be wasting time and running up the score.
"trust us". The govt
The information is already out there. They said as much when they announced the report. That's part of the reason it's not a priority.
none of this is a priority
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Insurrection! Threat to Democracy alert!

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Doc Holliday said:




What?! The government set a false narrative of a large public event to advance the security and surveillance state? Who could have seen this coming?
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Rawhide said:

Doc Holliday said:




What?! The government set a false narrative of a large public event to advance the security and surveillance state? Who could have seen this coming?

the govt plot has been..

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What is the purpose of the Republican Party again?

It certainly is not to protect its voters.

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57% of Dems say Fedsurrection.

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Schumer lost his soul to power a long time ago.
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We must sensor free speech in order to protect it!!
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Rawhide said:

Doc Holliday said:




What?! The government set a false narrative of a large public event to advance the security and surveillance state? Who could have seen this coming?

Debunked
Amazing what you guys will believe. Go to the website for a point by point refutation of Carlson's outlandish claims.

"To this day," Carlson said, "there is dispute over how Chansley got into the Capitol Building." But by whom? They would have to contend with footage already made public showing Chansley entering the building after a fellow rioter shattered and crawled through a window. Chansley testified to that.
Carlson went on to allege that police "helped him," acting "as his tour guides." At one point, Chansley is even escorted through a small cordon of officers, suggesting that the "Q Shaman" saw law enforcement "as his allies." The New York Post draws the conclusion to which Carlson led it, citing a statement by USCP saying the overwhelmed officers were trying to "de-escalate" the situation. "But that does not explain why Chansley, who was unarmed, was able to walk past seven more officers without being apprehended," the Post avers. Yes, it does.
This is hardly the only excruciatingly well-documented example of outmanned police officers calmly engaging with demonstrators, clearing the way for or corralling intruders in the Capitol complex, or retreating to more defensible terrain. Nor is this specific act of deference by Capitol Police officers remarkable. The Post later confirmed that the officer featured in Carlson's footage, Officer Keith Robishaw, spoke with HBO documentarians about his experience with Chansley.
"The sheer number of them compared to us, I knew ahead there was no way we could all get physical with them," Robishaw said. "I walked in behind [Chansley], and that is when I realized I am alone now. I was by myself." Their extensive interaction in the Senate chamber, where Robishaw was surrounded by dozens of other disruptive demonstrators, was filmed up close by New Yorker correspondent Luke Mogelson. You can watch it here. Robishaw's unheeded demands that the demonstrators evacuate the premises indicates, at the very least, that he was no one's "tour guide."
Carlson later asks "what did Chansley do" to deserve the months he's already spent in a jail cell for his conduct on that day. The answer established in court by his guilty plea was criminal obstruction of a federal investigation, for which a judge sentenced him to the "low end" of the prison terms prescribed in federal sentencing guidelines: 41 months.
Suffice it to say the lone officer confronting Chansley was reduced to de-escalatory tactics, in part because his colleagues were engaged in a desperate attempt to secure his flank.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/03/tucker-carlsons-january-6-revisionist-history/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=featured-content-trending&utm_term=second
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Redbrickbear said:


The Left showing their true colors.

Watched Tucker just to see what all the hub bub was about. He didn't at all suggest Jan. 6th was peaceful. He instead showed footage which proves it wasn't the violent insurrection it was made out to be.

And of course, because that destroys the Left's narrative that this was tantamount to Pearl Harbor and 9/11, the Left is:

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Osodecentx said:

Rawhide said:

Doc Holliday said:




What?! The government set a false narrative of a large public event to advance the security and surveillance state? Who could have seen this coming?

Debunked
Yep.
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Redbrickbear said:

What is the purpose of the Republican Party again?

It certainly is not to protect its voters.


Establishment is upset. They're two peas in a pod.
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Mothra said:

Redbrickbear said:

What is the purpose of the Republican Party again?

It certainly is not to protect its voters.


Establishment is upset. They're two peas in a pod.
Indeed.

At this point if you don't realize it's a uniparty, you're one of their domesticated animals.
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Mothra said:

Redbrickbear said:


The Left showing their true colors.

Watched Tucker just to see what all the hub bub was about. He didn't at all suggest Jan. 6th was peaceful. He instead showed footage which proves it wasn't the violent insurrection it was made out to be.

And of course, because that destroys the Left's narrative that this was tantamount to Pearl Harbor and 9/11, the Left is:



Nothing outrages the left more than to be confronted with evidence and facts that disprove or even call into question their false narratives and claims. Their totally predictable reaction isn't about the truth or about "saving democracy". It's about panic and fear that their carefully crafted and choreographed lies about Jan. 6th for the sole purpose of attacking and suppressing Trump and his voters are being exposed through demonstrable video proof for millions to see.

I find the complaint about selective editing and "cherry picking" video footage especially laughable. What in the world has the left and the Jan. 6th show trial committee been doing with video from that day from the get go along with being super careful to ignore any witnesses and any evidence that might potentially call into question their pre-determined outcome? In addition to everything else, it's hilarious how much these people are such kings and queens of projection.
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Johnny Bear said:

Mothra said:

Redbrickbear said:


The Left showing their true colors.

Watched Tucker just to see what all the hub bub was about. He didn't at all suggest Jan. 6th was peaceful. He instead showed footage which proves it wasn't the violent insurrection it was made out to be.

And of course, because that destroys the Left's narrative that this was tantamount to Pearl Harbor and 9/11, the Left is:



Nothing outrages the left more than to be confronted with evidence and facts that disprove or even call into question their false narratives and claims. Their totally predictable reaction isn't about the truth or about "saving democracy". It's about panic and fear that they're carefully crafted and choreographed lies about Jan. 6th for the sole purpose of attacking and suppressing Trump and his voters are being exposed.

I find the complaint about selective editing and "cherry picking" video footage especially laughable. What in the world has the left and the Jan. 6th show trial committee been doing with video from that day from the get go along with being super careful to ignore any witnesses and any evidence that might potentially call into question their pre-determined outcome? In addition to everything else, it's hilarious how much these people are such kings and queens of projection.
Very good point. And they hired a CBS producer to edit it, make it more dramatic, and add sound. But it's Carlson that's "cherry-picking."

Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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Osodecentx said:

Rawhide said:

Doc Holliday said:




What?! The government set a false narrative of a large public event to advance the security and surveillance state? Who could have seen this coming?

Debunked
Amazing what you guys will believe. Go to the website for a point by point refutation of Carlson's outlandish claims.

"To this day," Carlson said, "there is dispute over how Chansley got into the Capitol Building." But by whom? They would have to contend with footage already made public showing Chansley entering the building after a fellow rioter shattered and crawled through a window. Chansley testified to that.
Carlson went on to allege that police "helped him," acting "as his tour guides." At one point, Chansley is even escorted through a small cordon of officers, suggesting that the "Q Shaman" saw law enforcement "as his allies." The New York Post draws the conclusion to which Carlson led it, citing a statement by USCP saying the overwhelmed officers were trying to "de-escalate" the situation. "But that does not explain why Chansley, who was unarmed, was able to walk past seven more officers without being apprehended," the Post avers. Yes, it does.
This is hardly the only excruciatingly well-documented example of outmanned police officers calmly engaging with demonstrators, clearing the way for or corralling intruders in the Capitol complex, or retreating to more defensible terrain. Nor is this specific act of deference by Capitol Police officers remarkable. The Post later confirmed that the officer featured in Carlson's footage, Officer Keith Robishaw, spoke with HBO documentarians about his experience with Chansley.
"The sheer number of them compared to us, I knew ahead there was no way we could all get physical with them," Robishaw said. "I walked in behind [Chansley], and that is when I realized I am alone now. I was by myself." Their extensive interaction in the Senate chamber, where Robishaw was surrounded by dozens of other disruptive demonstrators, was filmed up close by New Yorker correspondent Luke Mogelson. You can watch it here. Robishaw's unheeded demands that the demonstrators evacuate the premises indicates, at the very least, that he was no one's "tour guide."
Carlson later asks "what did Chansley do" to deserve the months he's already spent in a jail cell for his conduct on that day. The answer established in court by his guilty plea was criminal obstruction of a federal investigation, for which a judge sentenced him to the "low end" of the prison terms prescribed in federal sentencing guidelines: 41 months.
Suffice it to say the lone officer confronting Chansley was reduced to de-escalatory tactics, in part because his colleagues were engaged in a desperate attempt to secure his flank.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/03/tucker-carlsons-january-6-revisionist-history/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=featured-content-trending&utm_term=second
That in no way addresses the fact the scary shaman guy was being led around the building on a private tour by police who were attempting to open doors and give him access to more chambers. A guided tour is not deescalation, it's approval of presence. It is all right there in video! Also, no mention of the video of the officer that was purported to have been murdered by rioters walking around just fine afterward? That's...predictable.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

"Jesus is Lord!"- random in the crowd
"You are at the wrong rally!" Kamala Harris' response
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I liken Chansley to an illegal border crosser. He shouldn't have breached the barricades in place but once inside, hey, he was made to feel welcome and allowed to go wherever the hell he wanted. I guess he's getting free healthcare as it is right now.
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Very little footage of the videos show acceptable behavior by the demonstrators. Some did, for sure. Lots of people made it in and behaved respectfully. Many more didn't.

Literally NOTHING on the videos show an insurrection.
And that is the problem.

The American people can see that very plainly.

Democrats, with key Republican allies, engaged in a patent Reichstag Fire Hoax. To further their own power ambitions.

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whiterock said:

Very little footage of the videos show acceptable behavior by the demonstrators. Some did, for sure. Lots of people made it in and behaved respectfully. Many more didn't.

Literally NOTHING on the videos show an insurrection.
And that is the problem.

The American people can see that very plainly.

Democrats, with key Republican allies, engaged in a patent Reichstag Fire Hoax. To further their own power ambitions.
Exactly.

There's no excuse for those that actually trespassed and rioted, which is a very small portion of people.

A lot of this was mob mentality brought on by Capitol police behaving nonchalantly and likely several Federal agents and even Trump sycophants trying hard to create chaos.

Democrats are pissed about the facts being presented because nobody with a brain thinks this was an actual threat to our republic.
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whiterock said:

Very little footage of the videos show acceptable behavior by the demonstrators. Some did, for sure. Lots of people made it in and behaved respectfully. Many more didn't.

Literally NOTHING on the videos show an insurrection.
And that is the problem.

The American people can see that very plainly.

Democrats, with key Republican allies, engaged in a patent Reichstag Fire Hoax. To further their own power ambitions.


you need to go to the eye doctor, Furor!
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whiterock said:

Very little footage of the videos show acceptable behavior by the demonstrators. Some did, for sure. Lots of people made it in and behaved respectfully. Many more didn't.

Literally NOTHING on the videos show an insurrection.
And that is the problem.

The American people can see that very plainly.

Democrats, with key Republican allies, engaged in a patent Reichstag Fire Hoax. To further their own power ambitions.


You're asking the same crowd that says math is racist and men can get pregnant to look at the video evidence objectively? They'll be calling you a Nazi soon enough for such talk.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

"Jesus is Lord!"- random in the crowd
"You are at the wrong rally!" Kamala Harris' response
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Johnny Bear said:

Mothra said:

Redbrickbear said:


The Left showing their true colors.

Watched Tucker just to see what all the hub bub was about. He didn't at all suggest Jan. 6th was peaceful. He instead showed footage which proves it wasn't the violent insurrection it was made out to be.

And of course, because that destroys the Left's narrative that this was tantamount to Pearl Harbor and 9/11, the Left is:



Nothing outrages the left more than to be confronted with evidence and facts that disprove or even call into question their false narratives and claims.
Your narrative is disproved on video tape
Osodecentx
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whiterock said:

Very little footage of the videos show acceptable behavior by the demonstrators. Some did, for sure. Lots of people made it in and behaved respectfully. Many more didn't.

Literally NOTHING on the videos show an insurrection.
And that is the problem.

The American people can see that very plainly.

Democrats, with key Republican allies, engaged in a patent Reichstag Fire Hoax. To further their own power ambitions.


Was there a riot outside of the Capitol?
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Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Very little footage of the videos show acceptable behavior by the demonstrators. Some did, for sure. Lots of people made it in and behaved respectfully. Many more didn't.

Literally NOTHING on the videos show an insurrection.
And that is the problem.

The American people can see that very plainly.

Democrats, with key Republican allies, engaged in a patent Reichstag Fire Hoax. To further their own power ambitions.


Was there a riot outside of the Capitol?
Technically no.

There was a mass gathering of citizens at the steps of the Capitol.

Something that is certainly NOT illegal.

According to the footage a small number of those starting breaking windows and trying to force their way through the doors and clashing with Police.

"Federal officials estimate that about ten thousand people entered the Capitol grounds"

So out of 10,000 protestors that were around the Capitol or entered the Capitol we are talking about a fraction of a percent that were engaged in any acts of violence or vandalism.

If 10,000 people had actually wanted to riot or stage an "insurrection"....they could have killed everyone inside the Capitol and burned it to the ground.
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Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Very little footage of the videos show acceptable behavior by the demonstrators. Some did, for sure. Lots of people made it in and behaved respectfully. Many more didn't.

Literally NOTHING on the videos show an insurrection.
And that is the problem.

The American people can see that very plainly.

Democrats, with key Republican allies, engaged in a patent Reichstag Fire Hoax. To further their own power ambitions.


Was there a riot outside of the Capitol?
Technically no.

There was a mass gathering of citizens of the steps of the Capitol.

Something that is certainly NOT illegal.

According to the footage a small number of those starting breaking windows and trying to force there way in the doors and clashing with Police.
So citizens were peacefully and legally breaking windows and attacking Capitol Police?
Redbrickbear
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Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Very little footage of the videos show acceptable behavior by the demonstrators. Some did, for sure. Lots of people made it in and behaved respectfully. Many more didn't.

Literally NOTHING on the videos show an insurrection.
And that is the problem.

The American people can see that very plainly.

Democrats, with key Republican allies, engaged in a patent Reichstag Fire Hoax. To further their own power ambitions.


Was there a riot outside of the Capitol?
Technically no.

There was a mass gathering of citizens of the steps of the Capitol.

Something that is certainly NOT illegal.

According to the footage a small number of those starting breaking windows and trying to force there way in the doors and clashing with Police.
So citizens were peacefully and legally breaking windows and attacking Capitol Police?
99.9% of the 10,000 citizens at the Capitol were NOT doing anything illegal.

Unless you think citizens don't have a right to be at the Peoples House at all. (A building they pay for with their tax dollars)

I already said a tiny fraction did break a few windows and engage in fist fighting with Police at or near the doors.

If 10,000 people were intent on committing sedition and engaging in a violent insurrection....that building would be in ashes right now.

If you want to see what thousands of rioters can do when they engage in real insurrection just look up some events from history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_draft_riots

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nika_riots

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune
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Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Very little footage of the videos show acceptable behavior by the demonstrators. Some did, for sure. Lots of people made it in and behaved respectfully. Many more didn't.

Literally NOTHING on the videos show an insurrection.
And that is the problem.

The American people can see that very plainly.

Democrats, with key Republican allies, engaged in a patent Reichstag Fire Hoax. To further their own power ambitions.


Was there a riot outside of the Capitol?
Technically no.

There was a mass gathering of citizens of the steps of the Capitol.

Something that is certainly NOT illegal.

According to the footage a small number of those starting breaking windows and trying to force there way in the doors and clashing with Police.
So citizens were peacefully and legally breaking windows and attacking Capitol Police?
99.9% of the 10,000 citizens at the Capitol were NOT doing anything illegal.

Unless you think citizens don't have a right to be at the Peoples House at all. (A building they pay for with their tax dollars)

I already said a tiny fraction did break a few windows and engage in fist fighting with Police at or near the doors.

If 10,000 people were intent on committing sedition and engaging in a violent insurrection....that building would be in ashes right now.
You debunk that with your exact quote. According to you, they broke windows, forced their way in, and clashed with police.


"There was a mass gathering of citizens of the steps of the Capitol.

Something that is certainly NOT illegal.

According to the footage a small number of those starting breaking windows and trying to force there way in the doors and clashing with Police."
Redbrickbear
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Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Very little footage of the videos show acceptable behavior by the demonstrators. Some did, for sure. Lots of people made it in and behaved respectfully. Many more didn't.

Literally NOTHING on the videos show an insurrection.
And that is the problem.

The American people can see that very plainly.

Democrats, with key Republican allies, engaged in a patent Reichstag Fire Hoax. To further their own power ambitions.


Was there a riot outside of the Capitol?
Technically no.

There was a mass gathering of citizens of the steps of the Capitol.

Something that is certainly NOT illegal.

According to the footage a small number of those starting breaking windows and trying to force there way in the doors and clashing with Police.
So citizens were peacefully and legally breaking windows and attacking Capitol Police?
99.9% of the 10,000 citizens at the Capitol were NOT doing anything illegal.

Unless you think citizens don't have a right to be at the Peoples House at all. (A building they pay for with their tax dollars)

I already said a tiny fraction did break a few windows and engage in fist fighting with Police at or near the doors.

If 10,000 people were intent on committing sedition and engaging in a violent insurrection....that building would be in ashes right now.
You debunk that with your exact quote. According to you, they broke windows, forced their way in, and clashed with police.


"There was a mass gathering of citizens of the steps of the Capitol.

Something that is certainly NOT illegal.

According to the footage a small number of those starting breaking windows and trying to force there way in the doors and clashing with Police."
Gathering on the steps of the Capitol is NOT illegal.

Can you quote or cite a Federal Law that says it is?

I did not say there were not some persons that day engaged in individual acts of window vandalism and police fist fighting/assault.

Are you trying to imply that the 9,900 peaceful protestors are responsible for the actions of 50-100 guys?
 
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