It was a riot that breached the Capitol. Nice try, but it doesn't matter what they "said" prior to or during the riot.Porteroso said:ATL Bear said:Oooh. Some people said some stuff. That's what makes this an insurrection. Now I get it…Porteroso said:whiterock said:The videos document conclusively there was no insurrection going on. Not one rioter, demonstrator, nutjob, criminal, etc.....lifted so much as a follicle of hair to seize political power. (that's why no one was charged with such despite a galactic overreach of overcharging by prosecutors.) The preponderance of evidence inside the halls of power showed respect, even reverence, for the Republic.Sam Lowry said:Only if you ignore the fact that there was an insurrection going on.whiterock said:Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.J.R. said:Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!Quote:Quote:guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.Quote:
So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?
Got it.
You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.
Trying to turn J6 into a Reichstag Fire hoax is beyond offensive. It's deeply injurious to social contract itself, not to mention destroying the credibility of those who push such narratives.
Officers opened the doors to the Capitol not to give a tour, but avoid bloodshed. There was an insurrection because the stated purpose was exactly the opposite of what you said. Seizing political power. Hanging Pence. Bringing vigilante justice to Pelosi. Throwing out the results of the election. Having the military "enforce the law" in a new election.
These were all things caught on record. Or do you really think every Washington DC tour ends up with selfies in Pelosi's office?
The stupidity of this type of framing is that even if they never breached the Capitol, they were already insurrecting the government according to you and the like minded.
FYI. There's an insurrection happening on Social Media right now. Better notify the authorities. There are records of it.
1a prorects a whole lot of things. But breaching the Capitol to get Congress to throw out a federal election is what makes it an insurrection, going by the simple definition of the word.
Nice try, but it was the physical breach coupled with stated intention that made it an insurrection.
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Conservatives have done that to themselves by denying and defending what happened. I wish they wouldn't.Doc Holliday said:
It's really simple guys.
Democrats want you to believe it was in insurrection so they can associate all of your ideas of policy and conservatism as evil and unjust.
Doc Holliday said:All you're getting out of this is "we need to support only democrats because of J6".Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
It's really simple guys.
Democrats want you to believe it was in insurrection so they can associate all of your ideas of policy and conservatism as evil and unjust.
People who can read a dictionary know it was an insurrection, and it matters because this needs to be a 1 time thing, not every 4 years. We need to be capable of accepting peaceful transfer of power. This insurrection was pathetic but the next doesn't have to be.
Imagine encouraging this under the veil of "it wasn't so bad guys just a tour and some selfies."
Anybody but Trump unless you want a Dem in WH
Why are Dems wanting Trump to be the nominee?
ATL Bear said:It was a riot that breached the Capitol. Nice try, but it doesn't matter what they "said" prior to or during the riot.Porteroso said:ATL Bear said:Oooh. Some people said some stuff. That's what makes this an insurrection. Now I get it…Porteroso said:whiterock said:The videos document conclusively there was no insurrection going on. Not one rioter, demonstrator, nutjob, criminal, etc.....lifted so much as a follicle of hair to seize political power. (that's why no one was charged with such despite a galactic overreach of overcharging by prosecutors.) The preponderance of evidence inside the halls of power showed respect, even reverence, for the Republic.Sam Lowry said:Only if you ignore the fact that there was an insurrection going on.whiterock said:Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.J.R. said:Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!Quote:Quote:guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.Quote:
So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?
Got it.
You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.
Trying to turn J6 into a Reichstag Fire hoax is beyond offensive. It's deeply injurious to social contract itself, not to mention destroying the credibility of those who push such narratives.
Officers opened the doors to the Capitol not to give a tour, but avoid bloodshed. There was an insurrection because the stated purpose was exactly the opposite of what you said. Seizing political power. Hanging Pence. Bringing vigilante justice to Pelosi. Throwing out the results of the election. Having the military "enforce the law" in a new election.
These were all things caught on record. Or do you really think every Washington DC tour ends up with selfies in Pelosi's office?
The stupidity of this type of framing is that even if they never breached the Capitol, they were already insurrecting the government according to you and the like minded.
FYI. There's an insurrection happening on Social Media right now. Better notify the authorities. There are records of it.
1a prorects a whole lot of things. But breaching the Capitol to get Congress to throw out a federal election is what makes it an insurrection, going by the simple definition of the word.
Nice try, but it was the physical breach coupled with stated intention that made it an insurrection.
What they said show's intent
Insurrection used to mean there was an intention, not just to protest, but to effectively rebel against government authority. Of course that had to change when we realized the Trumpkins had the intention, not just to protest, but to effectively rebel against government authority.ATL Bear said:It was a riot that breached the Capitol. Nice try, but it doesn't matter what they "said" prior to or during the riot.Porteroso said:ATL Bear said:Oooh. Some people said some stuff. That's what makes this an insurrection. Now I get it…Porteroso said:whiterock said:The videos document conclusively there was no insurrection going on. Not one rioter, demonstrator, nutjob, criminal, etc.....lifted so much as a follicle of hair to seize political power. (that's why no one was charged with such despite a galactic overreach of overcharging by prosecutors.) The preponderance of evidence inside the halls of power showed respect, even reverence, for the Republic.Sam Lowry said:Only if you ignore the fact that there was an insurrection going on.whiterock said:Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.J.R. said:Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!Quote:Quote:guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.Quote:
So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?
Got it.
You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.
Trying to turn J6 into a Reichstag Fire hoax is beyond offensive. It's deeply injurious to social contract itself, not to mention destroying the credibility of those who push such narratives.
Officers opened the doors to the Capitol not to give a tour, but avoid bloodshed. There was an insurrection because the stated purpose was exactly the opposite of what you said. Seizing political power. Hanging Pence. Bringing vigilante justice to Pelosi. Throwing out the results of the election. Having the military "enforce the law" in a new election.
These were all things caught on record. Or do you really think every Washington DC tour ends up with selfies in Pelosi's office?
The stupidity of this type of framing is that even if they never breached the Capitol, they were already insurrecting the government according to you and the like minded.
FYI. There's an insurrection happening on Social Media right now. Better notify the authorities. There are records of it.
1a prorects a whole lot of things. But breaching the Capitol to get Congress to throw out a federal election is what makes it an insurrection, going by the simple definition of the word.
Nice try, but it was the physical breach coupled with stated intention that made it an insurrection.
Another day, another definition.
The protest was intended to disrupt and stop the certification of the election. Trump's speech was intended to send that very message. That's why he holds culpability for inciting a riot. They successfully disrupted the procedure, like many other protests throughout our history have disrupted a myriad of things, including having violence and riots as part of it. They did not, could not, or would not have insurrected the US government whatever wild ass claims some people are projecting on the unscripted, unorganized, mob melee that occurred that day.Sam Lowry said:Insurrection used to mean there was an intention, not just to protest, but to effectively rebel against government authority. Of course that had to change when we realized the Trumpkins had the intention, not just to protest, but to effectively rebel against government authority.ATL Bear said:It was a riot that breached the Capitol. Nice try, but it doesn't matter what they "said" prior to or during the riot.Porteroso said:ATL Bear said:Oooh. Some people said some stuff. That's what makes this an insurrection. Now I get it…Porteroso said:whiterock said:The videos document conclusively there was no insurrection going on. Not one rioter, demonstrator, nutjob, criminal, etc.....lifted so much as a follicle of hair to seize political power. (that's why no one was charged with such despite a galactic overreach of overcharging by prosecutors.) The preponderance of evidence inside the halls of power showed respect, even reverence, for the Republic.Sam Lowry said:Only if you ignore the fact that there was an insurrection going on.whiterock said:Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.J.R. said:Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!Quote:Quote:guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.Quote:
So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?
Got it.
You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.
Trying to turn J6 into a Reichstag Fire hoax is beyond offensive. It's deeply injurious to social contract itself, not to mention destroying the credibility of those who push such narratives.
Officers opened the doors to the Capitol not to give a tour, but avoid bloodshed. There was an insurrection because the stated purpose was exactly the opposite of what you said. Seizing political power. Hanging Pence. Bringing vigilante justice to Pelosi. Throwing out the results of the election. Having the military "enforce the law" in a new election.
These were all things caught on record. Or do you really think every Washington DC tour ends up with selfies in Pelosi's office?
The stupidity of this type of framing is that even if they never breached the Capitol, they were already insurrecting the government according to you and the like minded.
FYI. There's an insurrection happening on Social Media right now. Better notify the authorities. There are records of it.
1a prorects a whole lot of things. But breaching the Capitol to get Congress to throw out a federal election is what makes it an insurrection, going by the simple definition of the word.
Nice try, but it was the physical breach coupled with stated intention that made it an insurrection.
Another day, another definition.
The only way to know what they would have done is to listen to what they said...which you expressly refuse to consider.ATL Bear said:The protest was intended to disrupt and stop the certification of the election. Trump's speech was intended to send that very message. That's why he holds culpability for inciting a riot. They successfully disrupted the procedure, like many other protests throughout our history have disrupted a myriad of things, including having violence and riots as part of it. They did not, could not, or would not have insurrected the US government whatever wild ass claims some people are projecting on the unscripted, unorganized, mob melee that occurred that day.Sam Lowry said:Insurrection used to mean there was an intention, not just to protest, but to effectively rebel against government authority. Of course that had to change when we realized the Trumpkins had the intention, not just to protest, but to effectively rebel against government authority.ATL Bear said:It was a riot that breached the Capitol. Nice try, but it doesn't matter what they "said" prior to or during the riot.Porteroso said:ATL Bear said:Oooh. Some people said some stuff. That's what makes this an insurrection. Now I get it…Porteroso said:whiterock said:The videos document conclusively there was no insurrection going on. Not one rioter, demonstrator, nutjob, criminal, etc.....lifted so much as a follicle of hair to seize political power. (that's why no one was charged with such despite a galactic overreach of overcharging by prosecutors.) The preponderance of evidence inside the halls of power showed respect, even reverence, for the Republic.Sam Lowry said:Only if you ignore the fact that there was an insurrection going on.whiterock said:Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.J.R. said:Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!Quote:Quote:guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.Quote:
So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?
Got it.
You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.
Trying to turn J6 into a Reichstag Fire hoax is beyond offensive. It's deeply injurious to social contract itself, not to mention destroying the credibility of those who push such narratives.
Officers opened the doors to the Capitol not to give a tour, but avoid bloodshed. There was an insurrection because the stated purpose was exactly the opposite of what you said. Seizing political power. Hanging Pence. Bringing vigilante justice to Pelosi. Throwing out the results of the election. Having the military "enforce the law" in a new election.
These were all things caught on record. Or do you really think every Washington DC tour ends up with selfies in Pelosi's office?
The stupidity of this type of framing is that even if they never breached the Capitol, they were already insurrecting the government according to you and the like minded.
FYI. There's an insurrection happening on Social Media right now. Better notify the authorities. There are records of it.
1a prorects a whole lot of things. But breaching the Capitol to get Congress to throw out a federal election is what makes it an insurrection, going by the simple definition of the word.
Nice try, but it was the physical breach coupled with stated intention that made it an insurrection.
Another day, another definition.
Porteoroso: "when you smear your own face with feces from your own pooper "
And there it is, the inevitable insult when simple arrogance and condescension don't bully the regular guy into doing what you want.
I seem to recall it's always leftist 'artists' who use feces in their 'performance' ... or their argument.
And there it is, the inevitable insult when simple arrogance and condescension don't bully the regular guy into doing what you want.
I seem to recall it's always leftist 'artists' who use feces in their 'performance' ... or their argument.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
ATL Bear said:It was a riot that breached the Capitol. Nice try, but it doesn't matter what they "said" prior to or during the riot.Porteroso said:ATL Bear said:Oooh. Some people said some stuff. That's what makes this an insurrection. Now I get it…Porteroso said:whiterock said:The videos document conclusively there was no insurrection going on. Not one rioter, demonstrator, nutjob, criminal, etc.....lifted so much as a follicle of hair to seize political power. (that's why no one was charged with such despite a galactic overreach of overcharging by prosecutors.) The preponderance of evidence inside the halls of power showed respect, even reverence, for the Republic.Sam Lowry said:Only if you ignore the fact that there was an insurrection going on.whiterock said:Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.J.R. said:Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!Quote:Quote:guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.Quote:
So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?
Got it.
You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.
Trying to turn J6 into a Reichstag Fire hoax is beyond offensive. It's deeply injurious to social contract itself, not to mention destroying the credibility of those who push such narratives.
Officers opened the doors to the Capitol not to give a tour, but avoid bloodshed. There was an insurrection because the stated purpose was exactly the opposite of what you said. Seizing political power. Hanging Pence. Bringing vigilante justice to Pelosi. Throwing out the results of the election. Having the military "enforce the law" in a new election.
These were all things caught on record. Or do you really think every Washington DC tour ends up with selfies in Pelosi's office?
The stupidity of this type of framing is that even if they never breached the Capitol, they were already insurrecting the government according to you and the like minded.
FYI. There's an insurrection happening on Social Media right now. Better notify the authorities. There are records of it.
1a prorects a whole lot of things. But breaching the Capitol to get Congress to throw out a federal election is what makes it an insurrection, going by the simple definition of the word.
Nice try, but it was the physical breach coupled with stated intention that made it an insurrection.
Why does it not matter? Can you tell me?
Your position is indefensible. So I want you to try defending it. You will see.
Oldbear83 said:
Porteoroso: "when you smear your own face with feces from your own pooper "
And there it is, the inevitable insult when simple arrogance and condescension don't bully the regular guy into doing what you want.
I seem to recall it's always leftist 'artists' who use feces in their 'performance' ... or their argument.
Don't lie it's your favorite part of the day. How you can post in actual English with your head stuck so far down there is gymnastics on par with whiterock's mental gymnastics. I am amazed. Really it's a compliment.
They did what they did, leading up to it, during it, and after. Those are the facts. You're trying to project the "what might have happened or could have happened".Sam Lowry said:The only way to know what they would have done is to listen to what they said...which you expressly refuse to consider.ATL Bear said:The protest was intended to disrupt and stop the certification of the election. Trump's speech was intended to send that very message. That's why he holds culpability for inciting a riot. They successfully disrupted the procedure, like many other protests throughout our history have disrupted a myriad of things, including having violence and riots as part of it. They did not, could not, or would not have insurrected the US government whatever wild ass claims some people are projecting on the unscripted, unorganized, mob melee that occurred that day.Sam Lowry said:Insurrection used to mean there was an intention, not just to protest, but to effectively rebel against government authority. Of course that had to change when we realized the Trumpkins had the intention, not just to protest, but to effectively rebel against government authority.ATL Bear said:It was a riot that breached the Capitol. Nice try, but it doesn't matter what they "said" prior to or during the riot.Porteroso said:ATL Bear said:Oooh. Some people said some stuff. That's what makes this an insurrection. Now I get it…Porteroso said:whiterock said:The videos document conclusively there was no insurrection going on. Not one rioter, demonstrator, nutjob, criminal, etc.....lifted so much as a follicle of hair to seize political power. (that's why no one was charged with such despite a galactic overreach of overcharging by prosecutors.) The preponderance of evidence inside the halls of power showed respect, even reverence, for the Republic.Sam Lowry said:Only if you ignore the fact that there was an insurrection going on.whiterock said:Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.J.R. said:Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!Quote:Quote:guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.Quote:
So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?
Got it.
You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.
Trying to turn J6 into a Reichstag Fire hoax is beyond offensive. It's deeply injurious to social contract itself, not to mention destroying the credibility of those who push such narratives.
Officers opened the doors to the Capitol not to give a tour, but avoid bloodshed. There was an insurrection because the stated purpose was exactly the opposite of what you said. Seizing political power. Hanging Pence. Bringing vigilante justice to Pelosi. Throwing out the results of the election. Having the military "enforce the law" in a new election.
These were all things caught on record. Or do you really think every Washington DC tour ends up with selfies in Pelosi's office?
The stupidity of this type of framing is that even if they never breached the Capitol, they were already insurrecting the government according to you and the like minded.
FYI. There's an insurrection happening on Social Media right now. Better notify the authorities. There are records of it.
1a prorects a whole lot of things. But breaching the Capitol to get Congress to throw out a federal election is what makes it an insurrection, going by the simple definition of the word.
Nice try, but it was the physical breach coupled with stated intention that made it an insurrection.
Another day, another definition.
People are insurrecting the government right now on Social Media by your standard.
No they aren't. Intent is one element, no more or less. There may be other crimes committed on social media, but insurrection requires action.ATL Bear said:They did what they did, leading up to it, during it, and after. Those are the facts. You're trying to project the "what might have happened or could have happened".Sam Lowry said:The only way to know what they would have done is to listen to what they said...which you expressly refuse to consider.ATL Bear said:The protest was intended to disrupt and stop the certification of the election. Trump's speech was intended to send that very message. That's why he holds culpability for inciting a riot. They successfully disrupted the procedure, like many other protests throughout our history have disrupted a myriad of things, including having violence and riots as part of it. They did not, could not, or would not have insurrected the US government whatever wild ass claims some people are projecting on the unscripted, unorganized, mob melee that occurred that day.Sam Lowry said:Insurrection used to mean there was an intention, not just to protest, but to effectively rebel against government authority. Of course that had to change when we realized the Trumpkins had the intention, not just to protest, but to effectively rebel against government authority.ATL Bear said:It was a riot that breached the Capitol. Nice try, but it doesn't matter what they "said" prior to or during the riot.Porteroso said:ATL Bear said:Oooh. Some people said some stuff. That's what makes this an insurrection. Now I get it…Porteroso said:whiterock said:The videos document conclusively there was no insurrection going on. Not one rioter, demonstrator, nutjob, criminal, etc.....lifted so much as a follicle of hair to seize political power. (that's why no one was charged with such despite a galactic overreach of overcharging by prosecutors.) The preponderance of evidence inside the halls of power showed respect, even reverence, for the Republic.Sam Lowry said:Only if you ignore the fact that there was an insurrection going on.whiterock said:Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.J.R. said:Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!Quote:Quote:guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.Quote:
So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?
Got it.
You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.
Trying to turn J6 into a Reichstag Fire hoax is beyond offensive. It's deeply injurious to social contract itself, not to mention destroying the credibility of those who push such narratives.
Officers opened the doors to the Capitol not to give a tour, but avoid bloodshed. There was an insurrection because the stated purpose was exactly the opposite of what you said. Seizing political power. Hanging Pence. Bringing vigilante justice to Pelosi. Throwing out the results of the election. Having the military "enforce the law" in a new election.
These were all things caught on record. Or do you really think every Washington DC tour ends up with selfies in Pelosi's office?
The stupidity of this type of framing is that even if they never breached the Capitol, they were already insurrecting the government according to you and the like minded.
FYI. There's an insurrection happening on Social Media right now. Better notify the authorities. There are records of it.
1a prorects a whole lot of things. But breaching the Capitol to get Congress to throw out a federal election is what makes it an insurrection, going by the simple definition of the word.
Nice try, but it was the physical breach coupled with stated intention that made it an insurrection.
Another day, another definition.
People are insurrecting the government right now on Social Media by your standard.
Sam: "insurrection requires action"
And 'entering a building because police held the door open and did not say not to enter' does not come close to 'insurrection' in any sane state of mind.
Yes, there were people who broke windows and who attacked cops. Those people should face the consequences of those actions. Pretending 'Democracy was in danger' insults the men and women who actually defend our nation.
And 'entering a building because police held the door open and did not say not to enter' does not come close to 'insurrection' in any sane state of mind.
Yes, there were people who broke windows and who attacked cops. Those people should face the consequences of those actions. Pretending 'Democracy was in danger' insults the men and women who actually defend our nation.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Exactly. Actions of an insurrection. A mob melee isn't an insurrection. A protest isn't an insurrection. Disrupting a procedure isn't an insurrection. All your left with is "well this or that could have happened". That's projection.Sam Lowry said:No they aren't. Intent is one element, no more or less. There may be other crimes committed on social media, but insurrection requires action.ATL Bear said:They did what they did, leading up to it, during it, and after. Those are the facts. You're trying to project the "what might have happened or could have happened".Sam Lowry said:The only way to know what they would have done is to listen to what they said...which you expressly refuse to consider.ATL Bear said:The protest was intended to disrupt and stop the certification of the election. Trump's speech was intended to send that very message. That's why he holds culpability for inciting a riot. They successfully disrupted the procedure, like many other protests throughout our history have disrupted a myriad of things, including having violence and riots as part of it. They did not, could not, or would not have insurrected the US government whatever wild ass claims some people are projecting on the unscripted, unorganized, mob melee that occurred that day.Sam Lowry said:Insurrection used to mean there was an intention, not just to protest, but to effectively rebel against government authority. Of course that had to change when we realized the Trumpkins had the intention, not just to protest, but to effectively rebel against government authority.ATL Bear said:It was a riot that breached the Capitol. Nice try, but it doesn't matter what they "said" prior to or during the riot.Porteroso said:ATL Bear said:Oooh. Some people said some stuff. That's what makes this an insurrection. Now I get it…Porteroso said:whiterock said:The videos document conclusively there was no insurrection going on. Not one rioter, demonstrator, nutjob, criminal, etc.....lifted so much as a follicle of hair to seize political power. (that's why no one was charged with such despite a galactic overreach of overcharging by prosecutors.) The preponderance of evidence inside the halls of power showed respect, even reverence, for the Republic.Sam Lowry said:Only if you ignore the fact that there was an insurrection going on.whiterock said:Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.J.R. said:Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!Quote:Quote:guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.Quote:
So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?
Got it.
You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.
Trying to turn J6 into a Reichstag Fire hoax is beyond offensive. It's deeply injurious to social contract itself, not to mention destroying the credibility of those who push such narratives.
Officers opened the doors to the Capitol not to give a tour, but avoid bloodshed. There was an insurrection because the stated purpose was exactly the opposite of what you said. Seizing political power. Hanging Pence. Bringing vigilante justice to Pelosi. Throwing out the results of the election. Having the military "enforce the law" in a new election.
These were all things caught on record. Or do you really think every Washington DC tour ends up with selfies in Pelosi's office?
The stupidity of this type of framing is that even if they never breached the Capitol, they were already insurrecting the government according to you and the like minded.
FYI. There's an insurrection happening on Social Media right now. Better notify the authorities. There are records of it.
1a prorects a whole lot of things. But breaching the Capitol to get Congress to throw out a federal election is what makes it an insurrection, going by the simple definition of the word.
Nice try, but it was the physical breach coupled with stated intention that made it an insurrection.
Another day, another definition.
People are insurrecting the government right now on Social Media by your standard.
So Sam says that all BLM members want to fry cops like bacon because it was the stated intent by some of them. Got it.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
"Jesus is Lord!"- random in the crowd
"You are at the wrong rally!" Kamala Harris' response
"Jesus is Lord!"- random in the crowd
"You are at the wrong rally!" Kamala Harris' response
Any and all of those things can be part of an insurrection.ATL Bear said:Exactly. Actions of an insurrection. A mob melee isn't an insurrection. A protest isn't an insurrection. Disrupting a procedure isn't an insurrection. All you're left with is "well this or that could have happened". That's projection.Sam Lowry said:No they aren't. Intent is one element, no more or less. There may be other crimes committed on social media, but insurrection requires action.ATL Bear said:They did what they did, leading up to it, during it, and after. Those are the facts. You're trying to project the "what might have happened or could have happened".Sam Lowry said:The only way to know what they would have done is to listen to what they said...which you expressly refuse to consider.ATL Bear said:The protest was intended to disrupt and stop the certification of the election. Trump's speech was intended to send that very message. That's why he holds culpability for inciting a riot. They successfully disrupted the procedure, like many other protests throughout our history have disrupted a myriad of things, including having violence and riots as part of it. They did not, could not, or would not have insurrected the US government whatever wild ass claims some people are projecting on the unscripted, unorganized, mob melee that occurred that day.Sam Lowry said:Insurrection used to mean there was an intention, not just to protest, but to effectively rebel against government authority. Of course that had to change when we realized the Trumpkins had the intention, not just to protest, but to effectively rebel against government authority.ATL Bear said:It was a riot that breached the Capitol. Nice try, but it doesn't matter what they "said" prior to or during the riot.Porteroso said:ATL Bear said:Oooh. Some people said some stuff. That's what makes this an insurrection. Now I get it…Porteroso said:whiterock said:The videos document conclusively there was no insurrection going on. Not one rioter, demonstrator, nutjob, criminal, etc.....lifted so much as a follicle of hair to seize political power. (that's why no one was charged with such despite a galactic overreach of overcharging by prosecutors.) The preponderance of evidence inside the halls of power showed respect, even reverence, for the Republic.Sam Lowry said:Only if you ignore the fact that there was an insurrection going on.whiterock said:Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.J.R. said:Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!Quote:Quote:guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.Quote:
So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?
Got it.
You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.
Trying to turn J6 into a Reichstag Fire hoax is beyond offensive. It's deeply injurious to social contract itself, not to mention destroying the credibility of those who push such narratives.
Officers opened the doors to the Capitol not to give a tour, but avoid bloodshed. There was an insurrection because the stated purpose was exactly the opposite of what you said. Seizing political power. Hanging Pence. Bringing vigilante justice to Pelosi. Throwing out the results of the election. Having the military "enforce the law" in a new election.
These were all things caught on record. Or do you really think every Washington DC tour ends up with selfies in Pelosi's office?
The stupidity of this type of framing is that even if they never breached the Capitol, they were already insurrecting the government according to you and the like minded.
FYI. There's an insurrection happening on Social Media right now. Better notify the authorities. There are records of it.
1a prorects a whole lot of things. But breaching the Capitol to get Congress to throw out a federal election is what makes it an insurrection, going by the simple definition of the word.
Nice try, but it was the physical breach coupled with stated intention that made it an insurrection.
Another day, another definition.
People are insurrecting the government right now on Social Media by your standard.
I would say that Democrats who carry water for BLM rioters have brought well deserved criticism on themselves and their party.Wangchung said:
So Sam says that all BLM members want to fry cops like bacon because it was the stated intent by some of them. Got it.
An outrageous idea, I know. I'm sure no one here would agree with it.
Nope. ALL democrats are a guilty if one member is a member of BLM, since we now agree BLM is a violent terrorist organization out to fry humans alive. Isn't that how that thinking goes? It was an insurrection because a couple people said some stuff?Sam Lowry said:I would say that Democrats who carry water for BLM rioters have brought well deserved criticism on themselves and their party.Wangchung said:
So Sam says that all BLM members want to fry cops like bacon because it was the stated intent by some of them. Got it.
An outrageous idea, I know. I'm sure no one here would agree with it.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
"Jesus is Lord!"- random in the crowd
"You are at the wrong rally!" Kamala Harris' response
"Jesus is Lord!"- random in the crowd
"You are at the wrong rally!" Kamala Harris' response
No.Wangchung said:Nope. ALL democrats are a guilty if one member is a member of BLM, since we now agree BLM is a violent terrorist organization out to fry humans alive. Isn't that how that thinking goes? It was an insurrection because a couple people said some stuff?Sam Lowry said:I would say that Democrats who carry water for BLM rioters have brought well deserved criticism on themselves and their party.Wangchung said:
So Sam says that all BLM members want to fry cops like bacon because it was the stated intent by some of them. Got it.
An outrageous idea, I know. I'm sure no one here would agree with it.
Si!Sam Lowry said:No.Wangchung said:Nope. ALL democrats are a guilty if one member is a member of BLM, since we now agree BLM is a violent terrorist organization out to fry humans alive. Isn't that how that thinking goes? It was an insurrection because a couple people said some stuff?Sam Lowry said:I would say that Democrats who carry water for BLM rioters have brought well deserved criticism on themselves and their party.Wangchung said:
So Sam says that all BLM members want to fry cops like bacon because it was the stated intent by some of them. Got it.
An outrageous idea, I know. I'm sure no one here would agree with it.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
"Jesus is Lord!"- random in the crowd
"You are at the wrong rally!" Kamala Harris' response
"Jesus is Lord!"- random in the crowd
"You are at the wrong rally!" Kamala Harris' response
So are all participants guilty, if one breaks into the Capital to disrupt the vote to accept the electoral votes from the Presidential election? Or maybe the event did not happen if only a few people were violent?
BTW, the video I saw showed people pushing through barriers, breaking windows and trespassing into peoples private offices, so I think it happened and it was not peaceful.
The all or nothin logic has flaws.
BTW, the video I saw showed people pushing through barriers, breaking windows and trespassing into peoples private offices, so I think it happened and it was not peaceful.
The all or nothin logic has flaws.
Yeah that would be my exact point. Saying it was an insurrection based on the words of a couple people is EXACTLY that.Guy Noir said:
So are all participants guilty, if one breaks into the Capital to disrupt the vote to accept the electoral votes from the Presidential election? Or maybe the event did not happen if only a few people were violent?
BTW, the video I saw showed people pushing through barriers, breaking windows and trespassing into peoples private offices, so I think it happened and it was not peaceful.
The all or nothin logic has flaws.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
"Jesus is Lord!"- random in the crowd
"You are at the wrong rally!" Kamala Harris' response
"Jesus is Lord!"- random in the crowd
"You are at the wrong rally!" Kamala Harris' response
Sure, but they're missing the insurrection part.Sam Lowry said:Any and all of those things can be part of an insurrection.ATL Bear said:Exactly. Actions of an insurrection. A mob melee isn't an insurrection. A protest isn't an insurrection. Disrupting a procedure isn't an insurrection. All you're left with is "well this or that could have happened". That's projection.Sam Lowry said:No they aren't. Intent is one element, no more or less. There may be other crimes committed on social media, but insurrection requires action.ATL Bear said:They did what they did, leading up to it, during it, and after. Those are the facts. You're trying to project the "what might have happened or could have happened".Sam Lowry said:The only way to know what they would have done is to listen to what they said...which you expressly refuse to consider.ATL Bear said:The protest was intended to disrupt and stop the certification of the election. Trump's speech was intended to send that very message. That's why he holds culpability for inciting a riot. They successfully disrupted the procedure, like many other protests throughout our history have disrupted a myriad of things, including having violence and riots as part of it. They did not, could not, or would not have insurrected the US government whatever wild ass claims some people are projecting on the unscripted, unorganized, mob melee that occurred that day.Sam Lowry said:Insurrection used to mean there was an intention, not just to protest, but to effectively rebel against government authority. Of course that had to change when we realized the Trumpkins had the intention, not just to protest, but to effectively rebel against government authority.ATL Bear said:It was a riot that breached the Capitol. Nice try, but it doesn't matter what they "said" prior to or during the riot.Porteroso said:ATL Bear said:Oooh. Some people said some stuff. That's what makes this an insurrection. Now I get it…Porteroso said:whiterock said:The videos document conclusively there was no insurrection going on. Not one rioter, demonstrator, nutjob, criminal, etc.....lifted so much as a follicle of hair to seize political power. (that's why no one was charged with such despite a galactic overreach of overcharging by prosecutors.) The preponderance of evidence inside the halls of power showed respect, even reverence, for the Republic.Sam Lowry said:Only if you ignore the fact that there was an insurrection going on.whiterock said:Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.J.R. said:Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!Quote:Quote:guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.Quote:
So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?
Got it.
You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.
Trying to turn J6 into a Reichstag Fire hoax is beyond offensive. It's deeply injurious to social contract itself, not to mention destroying the credibility of those who push such narratives.
Officers opened the doors to the Capitol not to give a tour, but avoid bloodshed. There was an insurrection because the stated purpose was exactly the opposite of what you said. Seizing political power. Hanging Pence. Bringing vigilante justice to Pelosi. Throwing out the results of the election. Having the military "enforce the law" in a new election.
These were all things caught on record. Or do you really think every Washington DC tour ends up with selfies in Pelosi's office?
The stupidity of this type of framing is that even if they never breached the Capitol, they were already insurrecting the government according to you and the like minded.
FYI. There's an insurrection happening on Social Media right now. Better notify the authorities. There are records of it.
1a prorects a whole lot of things. But breaching the Capitol to get Congress to throw out a federal election is what makes it an insurrection, going by the simple definition of the word.
Nice try, but it was the physical breach coupled with stated intention that made it an insurrection.
Another day, another definition.
People are insurrecting the government right now on Social Media by your standard.
Not necessarily. A mob melee itself can be an insurrection.ATL Bear said:Sure, but they're missing the insurrection part.Sam Lowry said:Any and all of those things can be part of an insurrection.ATL Bear said:Exactly. Actions of an insurrection. A mob melee isn't an insurrection. A protest isn't an insurrection. Disrupting a procedure isn't an insurrection. All you're left with is "well this or that could have happened". That's projection.Sam Lowry said:No they aren't. Intent is one element, no more or less. There may be other crimes committed on social media, but insurrection requires action.ATL Bear said:They did what they did, leading up to it, during it, and after. Those are the facts. You're trying to project the "what might have happened or could have happened".Sam Lowry said:The only way to know what they would have done is to listen to what they said...which you expressly refuse to consider.ATL Bear said:The protest was intended to disrupt and stop the certification of the election. Trump's speech was intended to send that very message. That's why he holds culpability for inciting a riot. They successfully disrupted the procedure, like many other protests throughout our history have disrupted a myriad of things, including having violence and riots as part of it. They did not, could not, or would not have insurrected the US government whatever wild ass claims some people are projecting on the unscripted, unorganized, mob melee that occurred that day.Sam Lowry said:Insurrection used to mean there was an intention, not just to protest, but to effectively rebel against government authority. Of course that had to change when we realized the Trumpkins had the intention, not just to protest, but to effectively rebel against government authority.ATL Bear said:It was a riot that breached the Capitol. Nice try, but it doesn't matter what they "said" prior to or during the riot.Porteroso said:ATL Bear said:Oooh. Some people said some stuff. That's what makes this an insurrection. Now I get it…Porteroso said:whiterock said:The videos document conclusively there was no insurrection going on. Not one rioter, demonstrator, nutjob, criminal, etc.....lifted so much as a follicle of hair to seize political power. (that's why no one was charged with such despite a galactic overreach of overcharging by prosecutors.) The preponderance of evidence inside the halls of power showed respect, even reverence, for the Republic.Sam Lowry said:Only if you ignore the fact that there was an insurrection going on.whiterock said:Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.J.R. said:Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!Quote:Quote:guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.Quote:
So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?
Got it.
You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.
Trying to turn J6 into a Reichstag Fire hoax is beyond offensive. It's deeply injurious to social contract itself, not to mention destroying the credibility of those who push such narratives.
Officers opened the doors to the Capitol not to give a tour, but avoid bloodshed. There was an insurrection because the stated purpose was exactly the opposite of what you said. Seizing political power. Hanging Pence. Bringing vigilante justice to Pelosi. Throwing out the results of the election. Having the military "enforce the law" in a new election.
These were all things caught on record. Or do you really think every Washington DC tour ends up with selfies in Pelosi's office?
The stupidity of this type of framing is that even if they never breached the Capitol, they were already insurrecting the government according to you and the like minded.
FYI. There's an insurrection happening on Social Media right now. Better notify the authorities. There are records of it.
1a prorects a whole lot of things. But breaching the Capitol to get Congress to throw out a federal election is what makes it an insurrection, going by the simple definition of the word.
Nice try, but it was the physical breach coupled with stated intention that made it an insurrection.
Another day, another definition.
People are insurrecting the government right now on Social Media by your standard.
Viagra can help with that but if you're insurrection last longer than four hours you need to call your doctorATL Bear said:Sure, but they're missing the insurrection part.Sam Lowry said:Any and all of those things can be part of an insurrection.ATL Bear said:Exactly. Actions of an insurrection. A mob melee isn't an insurrection. A protest isn't an insurrection. Disrupting a procedure isn't an insurrection. All you're left with is "well this or that could have happened". That's projection.Sam Lowry said:No they aren't. Intent is one element, no more or less. There may be other crimes committed on social media, but insurrection requires action.ATL Bear said:They did what they did, leading up to it, during it, and after. Those are the facts. You're trying to project the "what might have happened or could have happened".Sam Lowry said:The only way to know what they would have done is to listen to what they said...which you expressly refuse to consider.ATL Bear said:The protest was intended to disrupt and stop the certification of the election. Trump's speech was intended to send that very message. That's why he holds culpability for inciting a riot. They successfully disrupted the procedure, like many other protests throughout our history have disrupted a myriad of things, including having violence and riots as part of it. They did not, could not, or would not have insurrected the US government whatever wild ass claims some people are projecting on the unscripted, unorganized, mob melee that occurred that day.Sam Lowry said:Insurrection used to mean there was an intention, not just to protest, but to effectively rebel against government authority. Of course that had to change when we realized the Trumpkins had the intention, not just to protest, but to effectively rebel against government authority.ATL Bear said:It was a riot that breached the Capitol. Nice try, but it doesn't matter what they "said" prior to or during the riot.Porteroso said:ATL Bear said:Oooh. Some people said some stuff. That's what makes this an insurrection. Now I get it…Porteroso said:whiterock said:The videos document conclusively there was no insurrection going on. Not one rioter, demonstrator, nutjob, criminal, etc.....lifted so much as a follicle of hair to seize political power. (that's why no one was charged with such despite a galactic overreach of overcharging by prosecutors.) The preponderance of evidence inside the halls of power showed respect, even reverence, for the Republic.Sam Lowry said:Only if you ignore the fact that there was an insurrection going on.whiterock said:Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.J.R. said:Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!Quote:Quote:guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.Quote:
So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?
Got it.
You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.
Trying to turn J6 into a Reichstag Fire hoax is beyond offensive. It's deeply injurious to social contract itself, not to mention destroying the credibility of those who push such narratives.
Officers opened the doors to the Capitol not to give a tour, but avoid bloodshed. There was an insurrection because the stated purpose was exactly the opposite of what you said. Seizing political power. Hanging Pence. Bringing vigilante justice to Pelosi. Throwing out the results of the election. Having the military "enforce the law" in a new election.
These were all things caught on record. Or do you really think every Washington DC tour ends up with selfies in Pelosi's office?
The stupidity of this type of framing is that even if they never breached the Capitol, they were already insurrecting the government according to you and the like minded.
FYI. There's an insurrection happening on Social Media right now. Better notify the authorities. There are records of it.
1a prorects a whole lot of things. But breaching the Capitol to get Congress to throw out a federal election is what makes it an insurrection, going by the simple definition of the word.
Nice try, but it was the physical breach coupled with stated intention that made it an insurrection.
Another day, another definition.
People are insurrecting the government right now on Social Media by your standard.
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no one who has read a book on the subject, or has been formally trained on the subject (as have I) would attempt to make the laughable case that J6 was an insurrection. It meets not a single element, fails at every step of the analytical ladder.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
It's really simple guys.
Democrats want you to believe it was in insurrection so they can associate all of your ideas of policy and conservatism as evil and unjust.
People who can read a dictionary know it was an insurrection, and it matters because this needs to be a 1 time thing, not every 4 years. We need to be capable of accepting peaceful transfer of power. This insurrection was pathetic but the next doesn't have to be.
Imagine encouraging this under the veil of "it wasn't so bad guys just a tour and some selfies."
They don't. Otherwise they'd shut up & quit attacking him.Oso said:You gotta toughen up.Quote:I'm not humping Trump. You are! LOLQuote:Quit humping Trump and look beyond your little Trump adoration group.Quote:put down your voodoo doll and come back to the light. if you spend too much time in that closet, people will start talking.Quote:From the #hump4trump committeeQuote:LOL.Quote:A lot of non-Democrats think it was a seditious conspiracy and the courts agree.Quote:Oooh. Some people said some stuff. That's what makes this an insurrection. Now I get it…Quote:Quote:
Trying to turn J6 into a Reichstag Fire hoax is beyond offensive. It's deeply injurious to social contract itself, not to mention destroying the credibility of those who push such narratives.
Officers opened the doors to the Capitol not to give a tour, but avoid bloodshed. There was an insurrection because the stated purpose was exactly the opposite of what you said. Seizing political power. Hanging Pence. Bringing vigilante justice to Pelosi. Throwing out the results of the election. Having the military "enforce the law" in a new election.
These were all things caught on record. Or do you really think every Washington DC tour ends up with selfies in Pelosi's office?
The stupidity of this type of framing is that even if they never breached the Capitol, they were already insurrecting the government according to you and the like minded.
FYI. There's an insurrection happening on Social Media right now. Better notify the authorities. There are records of it.
Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power
Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and
Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina
Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.
words mean things, OSO. Seditious conspiracy is not insurrection.
Come back to reality.
Democrats want Trump to be the nominee. Why?
I'm just pointing out that you are repeating obvious, odious, outlandish Democrat messaging about J6. So don't complain about how that stuff you're smearing smells when someone properly throws it back in your face. You touched it. It's your mess.
Why do Dems want Trump?
What a goober.Porteroso said:Redbrickbear said:Porteroso said:4th and Inches said:they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..Osodecentx said:Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.whiterock said:Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.J.R. said:Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!Quote:Quote:guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.Quote:
So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?
Got it.
You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.
The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.
Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power
Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and
Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina
Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.
They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.
Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.
No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.
There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.
Again,
If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.
But they didn't.
Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?
The House was theirs! The dude in the Buffalo Hat was sitting at the Speaker's dais, banging the Speaker's gavel. All they had to do was to march in their new Representative and Senators, sit down in the vacant desks on the Congressional floor, elect a speaker, then elect a President!!!
I mean, good grief! How could you possibly make such a moronic argument.
Reichstag FireDoc Holliday said:
It's really simple guys.
Democrats want you to believe it was in insurrection so they can associate all of your ideas of policy and conservatism as evil and unjust.
how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?Porteroso said:Redbrickbear said:Porteroso said:4th and Inches said:they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..Osodecentx said:Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.whiterock said:Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.J.R. said:Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!Quote:Quote:guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.Quote:
So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?
Got it.
You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.
The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.
Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power
Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and
Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina
Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.
They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.
Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.
No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.
There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.
Again,
If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.
But they didn't.
Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?
Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.
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It doesn't matter.4th and Inches said:how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?Porteroso said:Redbrickbear said:Porteroso said:4th and Inches said:they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..Osodecentx said:Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.whiterock said:Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.J.R. said:Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!Quote:Quote:guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.Quote:
So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?
Got it.
You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.
The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.
Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power
Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and
Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina
Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.
They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.
Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.
No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.
There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.
Again,
If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.
But they didn't.
Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?
Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened.
Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.4th and Inches said:how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?Porteroso said:Redbrickbear said:Porteroso said:4th and Inches said:they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..Osodecentx said:Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.whiterock said:Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.J.R. said:Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!Quote:Quote:guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.Quote:
So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?
Got it.
You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.
The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.
Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power
Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and
Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina
Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.
They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.
Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.
No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.
There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.
Again,
If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.
But they didn't.
Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?
Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.
Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.
whiterock said:no one who has read a book on the subject, or has been formally trained on the subject (as have I) would attempt to make the laughable case that J6 was an insurrection. It meets not a single element, fails at every step of the analytical ladder.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
It's really simple guys.
Democrats want you to believe it was in insurrection so they can associate all of your ideas of policy and conservatism as evil and unjust.
People who can read a dictionary know it was an insurrection, and it matters because this needs to be a 1 time thing, not every 4 years. We need to be capable of accepting peaceful transfer of power. This insurrection was pathetic but the next doesn't have to be.
Imagine encouraging this under the veil of "it wasn't so bad guys just a tour and some selfies."
Is it books you have read or the dictionary that defines insurrection? It is simple enough to analyze.
Were government buildings breached in a clear effort to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power? Yes
How do we know that was the intent? They said so and blasted it on twitter to the world
Had they been successful, what would have the result been? The end of democracy
It's just so easy to use the ole noggin a bit. Try it!
To be an insurrection it did.Sam Lowry said:It doesn't matter.4th and Inches said:how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?Porteroso said:Redbrickbear said:Porteroso said:4th and Inches said:they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..Osodecentx said:Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.whiterock said:Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.J.R. said:Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!Quote:Quote:guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.Quote:
So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?
Got it.
You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.
The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.
Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power
Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and
Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina
Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.
They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.
Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.
No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.
There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.
Again,
If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.
But they didn't.
Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?
Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened.
Incompetent bank robbers aren't guilty of trying to topple the financial system, even if the bank was the Federal Reserve.Osodecentx said:Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.4th and Inches said:how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?Porteroso said:Redbrickbear said:Porteroso said:4th and Inches said:they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..Osodecentx said:Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.whiterock said:Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.J.R. said:Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!Quote:Quote:guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.Quote:
So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?
Got it.
You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.
The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.
Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power
Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and
Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina
Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.
They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.
Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.
No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.
There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.
Again,
If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.
But they didn't.
Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?
Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.
Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.