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OffshoreBear
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J.R. said:

OffshoreBear said:

J.R. said:

boognish_bear said:

Finally some good news for CEOs… About time



so is Iran and Russia, Fat Boy Orange . art of the deal and master of the Universe.

actually, they are not.


No for Iran. Partially for Russia, but with major limits.
Oil prices are elevated right now (Brent roughly $111117/bbl, WTI around $103). This is driven largely by Middle East conflict disruptions, including issues around the Strait of Hormuz.
Iran
Iranian oil and gas companies (primarily state-linked entities like NIOC) are not making a lot of money from high prices. Their exports have been largely shut down by a U.S. naval blockade.
Crude loadings through Hormuz dropped to near zero after the blockade tightened (effectively no meaningful new crude exports since around late August/September).
Production has been cut sharply to mostly domestic needs (reports put it under 2 million bpd recently, down from higher pre-conflict levels).
Remaining floating storage outside the blockade has been drawn down, and analysts (including Kpler) have projected oil revenues could fall to near zero by mid-December as the last cargoes clear.
High global prices do not help if they cannot export the barrels. The blockade has choked their main revenue source.
Russia
Russian oil and gas companies (Rosneft, Gazprom, etc.) and the federal budget are seeing some benefit from the higher prices, but it is not a free-market windfall.
October federal oil and gas tax revenue is projected around $12 billion, up about 10% year-over-year. Recent quarterly results for major firms have shown gains tied to higher prices in some periods.
However, year-to-date oil and gas revenues are still lower than the prior year (around 14% down through October in some calculations). Gazprom's first-half profit was down, partly due to currency effects and lost European volumes.
Russian Urals crude continues to sell at large discounts to Brent (often $2030/bbl or more at FOB points, depending on the route and timing), and freight/insurance costs on the "shadow fleet" are high. Ukrainian drone strikes have also hit infrastructure and refining capacity.
Sanctions, the need for discounts to find buyers (mainly China/India), production constraints, and war-related costs all reduce the net take.
In short: high prices help Russia's energy sector and budget relative to lower-price periods, but sanctions, discounts, logistics, and operational damage mean they are not simply "making a ton" the way an unsanctioned major would. Iran is currently on the opposite side of that equationexports are blocked, so the high prices are not translating into revenue.


Iranian oil is flowing freely in the Strait. Iran and Russia are selling oil at the spot price which is about $130/barrell. Many of us are selling on the spot market at spot prices, not market prices. I fully understand how all this works as it is what I do for a living. Love ya, sweet Donnie. you just paid for my new grandson's private school and University! Viva la Art of the Deal!
Thailand must not get much news. Haha

Iranian oil isn't "flowing freely." A U.S. blockade has choked their exportsloadings dried up months ago and revenues are headed toward zero.

Brent is ~$111117, not $130. Spot is the market price. Russia is still selling Urals at big discounts ($2030 off) plus high shipping costs.

You didn't just get paid by "the Art of the Deal." You're describing a market that doesn't exist.
I came for the rumors, stayed for the overreactions.
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boognish_bear said:

Finally some good news for CEOs… About time



Maybe CEO and CFO types will be happy. But the normal person? No. Just cost me $91 to fill up the F150. I budget $60, which is what it cost before Trump and his f-ed up policies. Midterms should be interesting, in FL gas is $4.17 a gallon. Mail in ballots are due, wife and I are filling out today. You think a $91 gas cost will play in????
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About 20mm are happy oil and gas companies are doing well.

It's a shame dems have such high taxes on gas, won't allow drilling in certain areas, canceled pipelines, push green energy which is expensive, etc.
I came for the rumors, stayed for the overreactions.
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OffshoreBear said:

About 20mm are happy oil and gas companies are doing well.

It's a shame dems have such high taxes on gas, won't allow drilling in certain areas, canceled pipelines, push green energy which is expensive, etc.

Yeah, that's what it is.
william
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I think we can all agree:

BUILD MORE REFINERIES.

- el UF

pro ecclesia, pro javelina
william
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OffshoreBear said:

About 20mm are happy oil and gas companies are doing well.

It's a shame dems have such high taxes on gas, won't allow drilling in certain areas, canceled pipelines, push green energy which is expensive, etc.

..... and lots of good data center construction jobs out there.

pay VERY well.

- el UF

sadly, the ***** and Moan class is too lazy - or more likely - unskilled - to get those jobs.

D!

{ sipping coffee }
pro ecclesia, pro javelina
FLBear5630
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william said:

OffshoreBear said:

About 20mm are happy oil and gas companies are doing well.

It's a shame dems have such high taxes on gas, won't allow drilling in certain areas, canceled pipelines, push green energy which is expensive, etc.

..... and lots of good data center construction jobs out there.

pay VERY well.

- el UF

sadly, the ***** and Moan class is too lazy - or more likely - unskilled - to get those jobs.

D!

{ sipping coffee }

Too bad we didn't have a program to train people or a student loan forgiveness to make it more affordable. It is much more productive to say how lazy people are...

But, if we did do something in Workforce Development, it wouldn't be as easy to say how special we are that we are self-made if everyone had a job...
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FLBear5630 said:

william said:

OffshoreBear said:

About 20mm are happy oil and gas companies are doing well.

It's a shame dems have such high taxes on gas, won't allow drilling in certain areas, canceled pipelines, push green energy which is expensive, etc.

..... and lots of good data center construction jobs out there.

pay VERY well.

- el UF

sadly, the ***** and Moan class is too lazy - or more likely - unskilled - to get those jobs.

D!

{ sipping coffee }

Too bad we didn't have a program to train people or a student loan forgiveness to make it more affordable. It is much more productive to say how lazy people are...

But, if we did do something in Workforce Development, it wouldn't be as easy to say how special we are that we are self-made if everyone had a job...

many of those companies offer up an in house apprentice / training program.

- el UF

..... as does Arbys.
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boognish_bear said:

Dumb



This is the reason the Republicans will get hammered in the midterms and lose a Senate seat in Texas.

You cannot fix a problem if you are not willing to acknowledge there is a problem. There is a complete disconnect between this administration and the working class, -a "let them eat cake" mentality.
Call it a tax, the people are outraged! Call it a tariff, the people get out their checkbooks and wave their American flags!!!
FLBear5630
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william said:

FLBear5630 said:

william said:

OffshoreBear said:

About 20mm are happy oil and gas companies are doing well.

It's a shame dems have such high taxes on gas, won't allow drilling in certain areas, canceled pipelines, push green energy which is expensive, etc.

..... and lots of good data center construction jobs out there.

pay VERY well.

- el UF

sadly, the ***** and Moan class is too lazy - or more likely - unskilled - to get those jobs.

D!

{ sipping coffee }

Too bad we didn't have a program to train people or a student loan forgiveness to make it more affordable. It is much more productive to say how lazy people are...

But, if we did do something in Workforce Development, it wouldn't be as easy to say how special we are that we are self-made if everyone had a job...

many of those companies offer up an in house apprentice / training program.

- el UF

..... as does Arbys.

Come on, Arby's is a dream. You know it... Throwing that out like it is a possibility, you are a cruel man...
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“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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60,000??

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boognish_bear said:

60,000??



It's all over. Re-Organizations are rampant. Positions going away and if Senior people take the lower position they find themselves written up over small ***** It is all over.
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Good news for oldsters

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THE FIRST AI BUBBLE HAS BURST.

China's STAR50 index, which tracks the country's biggest AI and chip companies, has crashed 40% in less than four months.

That has wiped out about $480 billion in market value.

The damage has spread across the whole market.

China's main CSI 300 index is now in a bear market, down 20% from its June high, and Chinese stocks have lost $3.5 trillion in total value since their May peak.

China's two listed AI model companies, MiniMax and Zhipu, have lost a combined $150 billion from their highs.

Robot maker Unitree crashed 50% since its August listing, and optical parts makers Zhongji Innolight and Eoptolink are down about 60%.

The warning signs were already there.

At the peak, the STAR50 traded at almost 250 times earnings.

AI stocks made up 42% of China's entire stock market and 57% of all trading, mostly driven by retail investors.

Now look at the US.

AI-linked stocks make up 49% of the S&P 500's value, according to JPMorgan.

That's even higher than China's 42% before its crash.

The S&P 500's Shiller P/E ratio is above 40, the second highest in over 150 years.

The only time it was higher was right before the dot-com crash.

Margin debt, the money investors borrow to buy stocks, has hit a record $1.5 trillion.

And Anthropic just filed for an IPO that could value it at $2 trillion, after losing $80.7 billion in the first half of this year.

The US is now flashing the same warning signs China did before its AI stocks crashed.
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boognish_bear said:



THE FIRST AI BUBBLE HAS BURST.

China's STAR50 index, which tracks the country's biggest AI and chip companies, has crashed 40% in less than four months.

That has wiped out about $480 billion in market value.

The damage has spread across the whole market.

China's main CSI 300 index is now in a bear market, down 20% from its June high, and Chinese stocks have lost $3.5 trillion in total value since their May peak.

China's two listed AI model companies, MiniMax and Zhipu, have lost a combined $150 billion from their highs.

Robot maker Unitree crashed 50% since its August listing, and optical parts makers Zhongji Innolight and Eoptolink are down about 60%.

The warning signs were already there.

At the peak, the STAR50 traded at almost 250 times earnings.

AI stocks made up 42% of China's entire stock market and 57% of all trading, mostly driven by retail investors.

Now look at the US.

AI-linked stocks make up 49% of the S&P 500's value, according to JPMorgan.

That's even higher than China's 42% before its crash.

The S&P 500's Shiller P/E ratio is above 40, the second highest in over 150 years.

The only time it was higher was right before the dot-com crash.

Margin debt, the money investors borrow to buy stocks, has hit a record $1.5 trillion.

And Anthropic just filed for an IPO that could value it at $2 trillion, after losing $80.7 billion in the first half of this year.

The US is now flashing the same warning signs China did before its AI stocks crashed.


Thats interesting as Microsoft seems to have gone all in (and no way back) on AI.
FLBear5630
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Jack Bauer said:

boognish_bear said:



THE FIRST AI BUBBLE HAS BURST.

China's STAR50 index, which tracks the country's biggest AI and chip companies, has crashed 40% in less than four months.

That has wiped out about $480 billion in market value.

The damage has spread across the whole market.

China's main CSI 300 index is now in a bear market, down 20% from its June high, and Chinese stocks have lost $3.5 trillion in total value since their May peak.

China's two listed AI model companies, MiniMax and Zhipu, have lost a combined $150 billion from their highs.

Robot maker Unitree crashed 50% since its August listing, and optical parts makers Zhongji Innolight and Eoptolink are down about 60%.

The warning signs were already there.

At the peak, the STAR50 traded at almost 250 times earnings.

AI stocks made up 42% of China's entire stock market and 57% of all trading, mostly driven by retail investors.

Now look at the US.

AI-linked stocks make up 49% of the S&P 500's value, according to JPMorgan.

That's even higher than China's 42% before its crash.

The S&P 500's Shiller P/E ratio is above 40, the second highest in over 150 years.

The only time it was higher was right before the dot-com crash.

Margin debt, the money investors borrow to buy stocks, has hit a record $1.5 trillion.

And Anthropic just filed for an IPO that could value it at $2 trillion, after losing $80.7 billion in the first half of this year.

The US is now flashing the same warning signs China did before its AI stocks crashed.


Thats interesting as Microsoft seems to have gone all in (and no way back) on AI.

I do not think it will crash like China's, but it has to be viewed as a tool for the workforce not the workforce itself. As a tool, it is very helpful. Trust it to operate independently? No way.
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FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

boognish_bear said:



THE FIRST AI BUBBLE HAS BURST.

China's STAR50 index, which tracks the country's biggest AI and chip companies, has crashed 40% in less than four months.

That has wiped out about $480 billion in market value.

The damage has spread across the whole market.

China's main CSI 300 index is now in a bear market, down 20% from its June high, and Chinese stocks have lost $3.5 trillion in total value since their May peak.

China's two listed AI model companies, MiniMax and Zhipu, have lost a combined $150 billion from their highs.

Robot maker Unitree crashed 50% since its August listing, and optical parts makers Zhongji Innolight and Eoptolink are down about 60%.

The warning signs were already there.

At the peak, the STAR50 traded at almost 250 times earnings.

AI stocks made up 42% of China's entire stock market and 57% of all trading, mostly driven by retail investors.

Now look at the US.

AI-linked stocks make up 49% of the S&P 500's value, according to JPMorgan.

That's even higher than China's 42% before its crash.

The S&P 500's Shiller P/E ratio is above 40, the second highest in over 150 years.

The only time it was higher was right before the dot-com crash.

Margin debt, the money investors borrow to buy stocks, has hit a record $1.5 trillion.

And Anthropic just filed for an IPO that could value it at $2 trillion, after losing $80.7 billion in the first half of this year.

The US is now flashing the same warning signs China did before its AI stocks crashed.


Thats interesting as Microsoft seems to have gone all in (and no way back) on AI.

I do not think it will crash like China's, but it has to be viewed as a tool for the workforce not the workforce itself. As a tool, it is very helpful. Trust it to operate independently? No way.

I think it will because China's AI models are all open-source and Big Tech cant order the CCP around like it can with US politicians & all the top AI researchers seem to either be Chinese or Taiwanese.

But this entire country and everything in it has devolved into a giant ponzi scheme... so there is still plenty of money to be made as long as you have good timing.
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The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

boognish_bear said:



THE FIRST AI BUBBLE HAS BURST.

China's STAR50 index, which tracks the country's biggest AI and chip companies, has crashed 40% in less than four months.

That has wiped out about $480 billion in market value.

The damage has spread across the whole market.

China's main CSI 300 index is now in a bear market, down 20% from its June high, and Chinese stocks have lost $3.5 trillion in total value since their May peak.

China's two listed AI model companies, MiniMax and Zhipu, have lost a combined $150 billion from their highs.

Robot maker Unitree crashed 50% since its August listing, and optical parts makers Zhongji Innolight and Eoptolink are down about 60%.

The warning signs were already there.

At the peak, the STAR50 traded at almost 250 times earnings.

AI stocks made up 42% of China's entire stock market and 57% of all trading, mostly driven by retail investors.

Now look at the US.

AI-linked stocks make up 49% of the S&P 500's value, according to JPMorgan.

That's even higher than China's 42% before its crash.

The S&P 500's Shiller P/E ratio is above 40, the second highest in over 150 years.

The only time it was higher was right before the dot-com crash.

Margin debt, the money investors borrow to buy stocks, has hit a record $1.5 trillion.

And Anthropic just filed for an IPO that could value it at $2 trillion, after losing $80.7 billion in the first half of this year.

The US is now flashing the same warning signs China did before its AI stocks crashed.


Thats interesting as Microsoft seems to have gone all in (and no way back) on AI.

I do not think it will crash like China's, but it has to be viewed as a tool for the workforce not the workforce itself. As a tool, it is very helpful. Trust it to operate independently? No way.

I think it will because China's AI models are all open-source and Big Tech cant order the CCP around like it can with US politicians & all the top AI researchers seem to either be Chinese or Taiwanese.

But this entire country and everything in it has devolved into a giant ponzi scheme... so there is still plenty of money to be made as long as you have good timing.



I agree China's will crash and Govt will support

What isnt a Ponzi scheme in finance? Everything is pretty much based on some revenue driver that travels uphill and payoff those above. Our whole financial system is based on faith on the system. As long as the system continues, it is strong. As soon as people start pulling out or gutting the system it falls apart. That is why it is so important to keep SS going. Those people paid in, count on it and have no more time. That falls the whole thing comes down
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Let them eat burgers

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boognish_bear said:

Let them eat burgers



this illustrates one of the big problems in this country. We have this Elitist piece of human garbage and the rest of his entourage and crime family are feasting with their steely knives, but they just cant win the race. Piggy telling us how expensive his food is while many cant even go to Mc Donalds. Viva la Donnie and your families Grift! Special place in hell for Piggy.
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boognish_bear said:



If that is so, then perhaps the very real and very serious problem of Age Discrimination should be addressed.

Hidden and Persistent Unemployment Among Older Workers ECONOMIC POLICY RESEARCH

Many Older Workers Trapped in Long-Term Unemployment

OffshoreBear
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I came for the rumors, stayed for the overreactions.
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I came for the rumors, stayed for the overreactions.
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Oldbear83 said:

boognish_bear said:



If that is so, then perhaps the very real and very serious problem of Age Discrimination should be addressed.

Hidden and Persistent Unemployment Among Older Workers ECONOMIC POLICY RESEARCH

Many Older Workers Trapped in Long-Term Unemployment




This is definitely a problem. I agree with you, I am seeing "re-orgs" occur frequently that are eliminating or forcing older workers in "gotcha" traps of constant HR write ups until enough "for cause" info is available. Leaving people with very little time to.make up losses.

Good catch Old.
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US LAWMAKERS ARE NOW PREPARING FOR THE AI BUBBLE TO BURST.

House Democrats have introduced a resolution opposing government bailouts for AI companies if the industry crashes.

Instead of rescuing them with taxpayer money, lawmakers want failed AI companies to go through normal bankruptcy.

And the timing is extremely concerning.

Some of the world's biggest tech companies are investing billions into AI startups that spend heavily on their products.

Nvidia invests in CoreWeave, which buys Nvidia chips.

Microsoft invests in OpenAI, which spends billions on Microsoft's cloud services.

Amazon invests in Anthropic, which uses Amazon's cloud infrastructure.

Billions are moving between companies that are becoming increasingly dependent on each other's spending.

And lawmakers are raising concerns about the growing use of borrowed money by Big Tech and Wall Street to finance the AI boom.

The resolution is not law, but it shows that some lawmakers are already worried about what happens if the industry collapses.

If AI startups run out of funding, they could be forced to slash spending or declare bankruptcy, leaving their investors and suppliers facing massive losses.

And without government bailouts, a major failure could spread across chipmakers, cloud providers, banks and the broader stock market.

The biggest risk is that one major AI bankruptcy could trigger losses across an entire industry worth trillions.
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I came for the rumors, stayed for the overreactions.
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boognish_bear said:




But but but....it says "Affordable"??
 
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