Recession

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Our health insurance is going up 40% at work. Both parties have f'd us on health care. ACA is a joke and republicans have no ideas around healthcare.
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OffshoreBear said:

Our health insurance is going up 40% at work. Both parties have f'd us on health care. ACA is a joke and republicans have no ideas around healthcare.

fact. See insurance and big pharmacy lobbies. This cannot continue. We are the only Industrialized country in the world who has businesses provide a big portion. This occurred during WW2 as an incentive to workers to fuel the war machine. I have lived in 3 countries and they all do it differently . France-high taxes, good care, Mexico- pay to play, Thailand- Best HC and Health Insurance that I have been associated with. Top quality docs (western educated). I pay $2200 per month in the US and pay $2000 per year in Thailand. Got an MRI and CT , seen by an Othro surgeon, cleaned up , 5 scripts.. Got CT and MRI that night. Oh , add an ambulance ride. Walked out that night for $1850 USD. Insurance AXA paid 100%
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We have much to be thankful for

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boognish_bear said:

We have much to be thankful for


awesome. They provide a ton of jobs and benefit to the American economy. From mom and pop restaurants, to home builders, construction workers, etc.
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OffshoreBear said:

boognish_bear said:

We have much to be thankful for


awesome. They provide a ton of jobs and benefit to the American economy. From mom and pop restaurants, to home builders, construction workers, etc.


It'll be trickling down like a mofo
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29% of all car trade-ins are now underwater, with an average of $7,100 still owed

https://notthebee.com/article/29-of-all-car-trade-ins-are-now-underwater-owing-an-average-of-7100-on-their-loans
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historian said:

29% of all car trade-ins are now underwater, with an average of $7,100 still owed

https://notthebee.com/article/29-of-all-car-trade-ins-are-now-underwater-owing-an-average-of-7100-on-their-loans

It has gotten ridiculous. The interest rates are usury. 30% on credit cards and record profits is capitalism run amuck. Many if the person is late with one payment by a day, the remaining balance goes to 30%. And this is not the loan shark places, it is American Express, Chase, etc... Once in the trap, it is almost impossible for many to get out without a windfall. Yeah, they signed on the line, remember the Monty Python sketch? You signed the Organ Donor card...

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J.R.
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OffshoreBear said:

boognish_bear said:

We have much to be thankful for



awesome. They provide a ton of jobs and benefit to the American economy. From mom and pop restaurants, to home builders, construction workers, etc.

100% correct. A healthy Petro business does indeed pay for all matter of employees making a very good wage. Restos, bars, feed stores, Allsups (lol). are all benefiting. The flip side is when the price makes getting it out of the ground and piped to wherever unprofitable. Our expenses stay flat as revenue tanks. Layoff starts. bankruptcies . Turns into survival mode and it will again. It always does and will. One thing most don't understand is those who know what we are doing suck it up, scrape ect when the business is on its ass. That is the time to drill and make investments. Once I finish up the Horizontal well in the next few months,(drilling for a year) no drilling.
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FLBear5630 said:

historian said:

29% of all car trade-ins are now underwater, with an average of $7,100 still owed

https://notthebee.com/article/29-of-all-car-trade-ins-are-now-underwater-owing-an-average-of-7100-on-their-loans

It has gotten ridiculous. The interest rates are usury. 30% on credit cards and record profits is capitalism run amuck. Many if the person is late with one payment by a day, the remaining balance goes to 30%. And this is not the loan shark places, it is American Express, Chase, etc... Once in the trap, it is almost impossible for many to get out without a windfall. Yeah, they signed on the line, remember the Monty Python sketch? You signed the Organ Donor card...


always someone else's fault
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OffshoreBear
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I came for the rumors, stayed for the overreactions.
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boognish_bear said:



People are getting killed with costs. Everything is through the roof.

People on here can say it is their own fault all they want. But cost is an issue.
OffshoreBear
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FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:



People are getting killed with costs. Everything is through the roof.

People on here can say it is their own fault all they want. But cost is an issue.
you should be voting republican then bc they have brought cost down and slowed inflation.
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J.R.
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OffshoreBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:



People are getting killed with costs. Everything is through the roof.

People on here can say it is their own fault all they want. But cost is an issue.

you should be voting republican then bc they have brought cost down and slowed inflation.

wut? You cannot be serious. R's have run cost through the roof. Inflation more than Biden, Debt bigger than Biden and growing. You should certainly understand that Petro products are causing inflation in most everything we tough. Data and facts totally refute your innuendo . You really may want to re think what you just said. R's about to get cleaned out because of costs and inflation.
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J.R. thinks facts and evidence are on his side?
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Oldbear83 said:

J.R. thinks facts and evidence are on his side?

eff off old man. You are have proven to be a big effing liar like your hero gold Jesus. Yes, the facts are out there relative to costs and inflation. Gawd, you are a moron. The data is readily available and independent. You are full of **** and are a coward. Now go have momma fix you more biscuits you old MAGA who take govt subsidies. Ironic no?
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J.R. said:

Oldbear83 said:

J.R. thinks facts and evidence are on his side?

eff off old man. You are have proven to be a big effing liar like your hero gold Jesus. Yes, the facts are out there relative to costs and inflation. Gawd, you are a moron. The data is readily available and independent. You are full of **** and are a coward. Now go have momma fix you more biscuits you old MAGA who take govt subsidies. Ironic no?

Good ol' J.R., so quick to prove my point!

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J.R. said:

OffshoreBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:



People are getting killed with costs. Everything is through the roof.

People on here can say it is their own fault all they want. But cost is an issue.

you should be voting republican then bc they have brought cost down and slowed inflation.

wut? You cannot be serious. R's have run cost through the roof. Inflation more than Biden, Debt bigger than Biden and growing. You should certainly understand that Petro products are causing inflation in most everything we tough. Data and facts totally refute your innuendo . You really may want to re think what you just said. R's about to get cleaned out because of costs and inflation.


Hmmm

I came for the rumors, stayed for the overreactions.
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If Dems are smart they won't mess too much with the tariffs, but will reap the long term benefits while continuing to let Trump take the present heat for them.

But I'm not so sure that they're that smart.
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EatMoreSalmon said:

If Dems are smart they won't mess too much with the tariffs, but will reap the long term benefits while continuing to let Trump take the present heat for them.

But I'm not so sure that they're that smart.


They will impeach Trump first. That is coming. Between DOGE, tariffs, Iran, Venezuela, blowing up boats in Caribbean Iran, Ukraine, Minnl... There is a lot there.

FL showed if you are a sane, conservative and actually have real policies you will win. GOP had a good night im FLA because DeSantis is not a loon and ran on real conservative polices. But keep supporting the MAGA freaks.
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FLBear5630 said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

If Dems are smart they won't mess too much with the tariffs, but will reap the long term benefits while continuing to let Trump take the present heat for them.

But I'm not so sure that they're that smart.


They will impeach Trump first. That is coming. Between DOGE, tariffs, Iran, Venezuela, blowing up boats in Caribbean Iran, Ukraine, Minnl... There is a lot there.

FL showed if you are a sane, conservative and actually have real policies you will win. GOP had a good night im FLA because DeSantis is not a loon and ran on real conservative polices. But keep supporting the MAGA freaks.


High T petey first to be impeached.
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J.R. said:

FLBear5630 said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

If Dems are smart they won't mess too much with the tariffs, but will reap the long term benefits while continuing to let Trump take the present heat for them.

But I'm not so sure that they're that smart.


They will impeach Trump first. That is coming. Between DOGE, tariffs, Iran, Venezuela, blowing up boats in Caribbean Iran, Ukraine, Minnl... There is a lot there.

FL showed if you are a sane, conservative and actually have real policies you will win. GOP had a good night im FLA because DeSantis is not a loon and ran on real conservative polices. But keep supporting the MAGA freaks.


High T petey first to be impeached.


Funny, the message I get out of this is that the American people want a positive message of the future. Reagan won and is loved because he believed in America as a shining beacon to the world. Not a dystopian power state run by wealth. Being a conservative, not Trump's MAGA, was secondary to voters. His vision and communication was first

We need someone with a big picture positive vision. Not this toxic, anti-other Party, closed borders Authoritarian view. Who has a positive vision if the US going into 28? Who has a vision of the Shining City on the hill? That is what i want to see.
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EatMoreSalmon said:

If Dems are smart they won't mess too much with the tariffs, but will reap the long term benefits while continuing to let Trump take the present heat for them.

But I'm not so sure that they're that smart.


There has to be some sanity and structure to the tariffs. It cant keep being used as a personal weapon. If Trump didnt like a meeting he would come out and raise them. You cant run an economy that way.
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FLBear5630 said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

If Dems are smart they won't mess too much with the tariffs, but will reap the long term benefits while continuing to let Trump take the present heat for them.

But I'm not so sure that they're that smart.


There has to be some sanity and structure to the tariffs. It cant keep being used as a personal weapon. If Trump didnt like a meeting he would come out and raise them. You cant run an economy that way.


You're correct. For tarriffs to succeed they must (1) be announced simultaneously in a disciplined manner with specified rates that markets can react to and (2) be accompanied by a repeal of the income tax.
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FLBear5630 said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

If Dems are smart they won't mess too much with the tariffs, but will reap the long term benefits while continuing to let Trump take the present heat for them.

But I'm not so sure that they're that smart.


They will impeach Trump first. That is coming. Between DOGE, tariffs, Iran, Venezuela, blowing up boats in Caribbean Iran, Ukraine, Minnl... There is a lot there.

FL showed if you are a sane, conservative and actually have real policies you will win. GOP had a good night im FLA because DeSantis is not a loon and ran on real conservative polices. But keep supporting the MAGA freaks.



Florida is the most MAGA state in the nation. You're just delusional.
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Realitybites said:




I am amazed the entire economy has not already cratered.

Restaurants are emptying out , housing prices are crashing and transportation costs are going through the roof.

Strangely enough though, the demand for most Rolex watches and luxury car models remains strong.






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Realitybites said:

FLBear5630 said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

If Dems are smart they won't mess too much with the tariffs, but will reap the long term benefits while continuing to let Trump take the present heat for them.

But I'm not so sure that they're that smart.


There has to be some sanity and structure to the tariffs. It cant keep being used as a personal weapon. If Trump didnt like a meeting he would come out and raise them. You cant run an economy that way.


You're correct. For tarriffs to succeed they must (1) be announced simultaneously in a disciplined manner with specified rates that markets can react to and (2) be accompanied by a repeal of the income tax.

Repeal of the income tax? You do shoot high...
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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

If Dems are smart they won't mess too much with the tariffs, but will reap the long term benefits while continuing to let Trump take the present heat for them.

But I'm not so sure that they're that smart.


They will impeach Trump first. That is coming. Between DOGE, tariffs, Iran, Venezuela, blowing up boats in Caribbean Iran, Ukraine, Minnl... There is a lot there.

FL showed if you are a sane, conservative and actually have real policies you will win. GOP had a good night im FLA because DeSantis is not a loon and ran on real conservative polices. But keep supporting the MAGA freaks.



Florida is the most MAGA state in the nation. You're just delusional.

DeSantis has separated himself, broke with Trump and stood up to Trump more than others. FLA under DeSantis is definitely not MAGA. DeSantis is not a Trump favorite and FLA has not bowed to Trump all the way back to the first term. Ron DeSanctomonious? Remember?

The perception of FLA outside, is not the reality of living here. DeSantis has done a good job balancing. There are aspects. But, if you talk to people living here it is not MAGA-land at all. Panhandle may be different, but that is more like Southern Alabama than FLA anyway.

Will Donalds follow DeSantis's lead and stay independent? That is the question. I do agree with you that is a concern.
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FLBear5630 said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

If Dems are smart they won't mess too much with the tariffs, but will reap the long term benefits while continuing to let Trump take the present heat for them.

But I'm not so sure that they're that smart.


They will impeach Trump first. That is coming. Between DOGE, tariffs, Iran, Venezuela, blowing up boats in Caribbean Iran, Ukraine, Minnl... There is a lot there.

FL showed if you are a sane, conservative and actually have real policies you will win. GOP had a good night im FLA because DeSantis is not a loon and ran on real conservative polices. But keep supporting the MAGA freaks.



Florida is the most MAGA state in the nation. You're just delusional.

DeSantis has separated himself, broke with Trump and stood up to Trump more than others. FLA under DeSantis is definitely not MAGA. DeSantis is not a Trump favorite and FLA has not bowed to Trump all the way back to the first term. Ron DeSanctomonious? Remember?

The perception of FLA outside, is not the reality of living here. DeSantis has done a good job balancing. There are aspects. But, if you talk to people living here it is not MAGA-land at all. Panhandle may be different, but that is more like Southern Alabama than FLA anyway.

Will Donalds follow DeSantis's lead and stay independent? That is the question. I do agree with you that is a concern.

you're delusional, you think any other state repubs are really that different. Maga people get labeled as Trump to the end, when it's way more nuanced than that.

Florida is Maga territory. Trump is not the end all be all of Maga. In fact Desantis may very well be more Maga than Trump.
 
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