You assume the driver has already said that. You don't know.Oldbear83 said:Believe what you want, since the driver has already said that just did not happen.Sam Lowry said:Yeah, but there's a picture that's claimed to show otherwise. The reason for the discrepancy isn't clear without the agents' testimony. I don't know that it would be prohibitively difficult for Trump to move 18 feet, especially as enraged as he seems to have been.Oldbear83 said:Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.Sam Lowry said:I think they were in an SUV.Oldbear83 said:
Has anyone stopped to consider how difficult it would be for the President, sitting in the back of the 18-foot limousine, to even reach the steering wheel if he tried?
But sure, go with the unsupported, outrageous story if it fits your assumptions.
That is why this committee will not accomplish what they imagine they will accomplish.
And we have only your assumption the testimony was credible at all.
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Agreed. I don't watch the hearings but I do read about them. Her testimony has hurt the Committee.Rawhide said:
She's about as credible as Christine Blasey-Ford.
However, to me these are petty things about his temper tantrum's. Harry Truman had them too. LBJ was a walking *******.
Nevertheless my friends on the right, Trump DID in fact encourage the Jan 6 insurrection. That alone is enough to never forgive the *******.
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If it leads to incriminating evidence against Trump, that evidence should certainly be considered.He Hate Me said:Sam Lowry said:It's not about the administration per se. It's about what laws are appropriate and how effective they are. And I would think a threat to our system of government should be a concern either way, but obviously that's just me.He Hate Me said:Sam Lowry said:What does that have to do with anything? You do realize Trump and Pence weren't exactly on the same page.RMF5630 said:Sam Lowry said:The problem is that Trump acted in a way that foreseeably led to violence. How does Pence certifying make that okay?RMF5630 said:Sam Lowry said:They thought it. That's how it was a coup, albeit unsuccessful.RMF5630 said:Sam Lowry said:Well, it was that and then also the fact there was this coup a little while later. Tends to raise suspicions.RMF5630 said:What I don't see is how his asking to remove the mags is illegal. The jump from he wants a bigger crowd for his ego becomes a coup to overthrow the Govt.Sam Lowry said:Magnetometers. He wanted them to stop confiscating the weapons.RMF5630 said:Didn't Trump tell the SS to confiscate weapons before letting them in and he wasn't concerned for his safety? Where is the illegal part? Telling them to get rid of the mags is illegal how? I am missing the point of this blockbuster testimony. Where does he say take away the mags so the weapons will be used to storm Congress and overthrow the Govt?? I am missing that. It was his rally.Sam Lowry said:
I'm not sure what you mean by third party. Understand, for example, that it's not hearsay if a witness hears Trump order the SS to get rid of the mags. That's first-hand testimony.
If they wanted to arrest people with weapons why didn't law enforcement. What are the gun laws in DC? Did they have conceal & carry licenses. Still not seeing the conspiracy to overthrow the Govt.
Coup? And just how were they going to take control of the Government? How were they going to do anything more than frighten Congress? Seriously, how was this a coup? You really think anything beyond the initial hour was going to hold or change?
How many were arrested? 700+? So where is the problem? Oh, that Trump was behind it? That he acted to noncommittal that Congress had to hide?
I am still struggling with the criminal issues for the Trump Administration. Pence certified, right? No one was pardoned, right? Trump left, right? Where is the act that is warranting this sideshow? Italian food may have a case...
This is about Trumps attempted coup and attack on American Deocracy. Yet, his Administration did everything required at the time it was required. Every thing went forward on time.
Pence was Trump's VP. The Trump Adiministration is a reflection on Trump, for BETTER and worse. You can't just say his Admin did something bad, it was Trump. Than when they do what they are supposed to say Trump.gets no credit. Regardless of what Trump said or how many spaghetti lunches he threw, his Admin met their Constitutional responsibilities on schedule. You totally disregard what they actually did in favor of rhetoric!
Who cares? You said J6 hearings are not about Trump per se. We must be concerned that the current administration is a threat to our system of government. That would be oversight.
It is just you because you are the only one who thinks J6 committee is not about "getting Trump."
Sam Lowry said:If it leads to incriminating evidence against Trump, that evidence should certainly be considered.He Hate Me said:Sam Lowry said:It's not about the administration per se. It's about what laws are appropriate and how effective they are. And I would think a threat to our system of government should be a concern either way, but obviously that's just me.He Hate Me said:Sam Lowry said:What does that have to do with anything? You do realize Trump and Pence weren't exactly on the same page.RMF5630 said:Sam Lowry said:The problem is that Trump acted in a way that foreseeably led to violence. How does Pence certifying make that okay?RMF5630 said:Sam Lowry said:They thought it. That's how it was a coup, albeit unsuccessful.RMF5630 said:Sam Lowry said:Well, it was that and then also the fact there was this coup a little while later. Tends to raise suspicions.RMF5630 said:What I don't see is how his asking to remove the mags is illegal. The jump from he wants a bigger crowd for his ego becomes a coup to overthrow the Govt.Sam Lowry said:Magnetometers. He wanted them to stop confiscating the weapons.RMF5630 said:Didn't Trump tell the SS to confiscate weapons before letting them in and he wasn't concerned for his safety? Where is the illegal part? Telling them to get rid of the mags is illegal how? I am missing the point of this blockbuster testimony. Where does he say take away the mags so the weapons will be used to storm Congress and overthrow the Govt?? I am missing that. It was his rally.Sam Lowry said:
I'm not sure what you mean by third party. Understand, for example, that it's not hearsay if a witness hears Trump order the SS to get rid of the mags. That's first-hand testimony.
If they wanted to arrest people with weapons why didn't law enforcement. What are the gun laws in DC? Did they have conceal & carry licenses. Still not seeing the conspiracy to overthrow the Govt.
Coup? And just how were they going to take control of the Government? How were they going to do anything more than frighten Congress? Seriously, how was this a coup? You really think anything beyond the initial hour was going to hold or change?
How many were arrested? 700+? So where is the problem? Oh, that Trump was behind it? That he acted to noncommittal that Congress had to hide?
I am still struggling with the criminal issues for the Trump Administration. Pence certified, right? No one was pardoned, right? Trump left, right? Where is the act that is warranting this sideshow? Italian food may have a case...
This is about Trumps attempted coup and attack on American Deocracy. Yet, his Administration did everything required at the time it was required. Every thing went forward on time.
Pence was Trump's VP. The Trump Adiministration is a reflection on Trump, for BETTER and worse. You can't just say his Admin did something bad, it was Trump. Than when they do what they are supposed to say Trump.gets no credit. Regardless of what Trump said or how many spaghetti lunches he threw, his Admin met their Constitutional responsibilities on schedule. You totally disregard what they actually did in favor of rhetoric!
Who cares? You said J6 hearings are not about Trump per se. We must be concerned that the current administration is a threat to our system of government. That would be oversight.
It is just you because you are the only one who thinks J6 committee is not about "getting Trump."
Lol. Alongside all the evidence the Hillary campaign came up with.
"driver prepared to testify that Trump didn't grab steering wheel"Sam Lowry said:You assume the driver has already said that. You don't know.Oldbear83 said:Believe what you want, since the driver has already said that just did not happen.Sam Lowry said:Yeah, but there's a picture that's claimed to show otherwise. The reason for the discrepancy isn't clear without the agents' testimony. I don't know that it would be prohibitively difficult for Trump to move 18 feet, especially as enraged as he seems to have been.Oldbear83 said:Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.Sam Lowry said:I think they were in an SUV.Oldbear83 said:
Has anyone stopped to consider how difficult it would be for the President, sitting in the back of the 18-foot limousine, to even reach the steering wheel if he tried?
But sure, go with the unsupported, outrageous story if it fits your assumptions.
That is why this committee will not accomplish what they imagine they will accomplish.
And we have only your assumption the testimony was credible at all.
https://news.yahoo.com/secret-agent-willing-testify-trump-124545568.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-agents-testify-trump-lunge-steering-wheel-capitol-riot
Just give this one up, Sam, it was a dumb lie that didn't last a day before being called out.
You can always obsess about mean tweets.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Cool thing that you don't have to vote for him in 2024, eh?Aliceinbubbleland said:Agreed. I don't watch the hearings but I do read about them. Her testimony has hurt the Committee.Rawhide said:
She's about as credible as Christine Blasey-Ford.
However, to me these are petty things about his temper tantrum's. Harry Truman had them too. LBJ was a walking *******.
Nevertheless my friends on the right, Trump DID in fact encourage the Jan 6 insurrection. That alone is enough to never forgive the *******.
Which I fairly considered and rejected a long time ago. It has no relevance to this.He Hate Me said:Sam Lowry said:If it leads to incriminating evidence against Trump, that evidence should certainly be considered.He Hate Me said:Sam Lowry said:It's not about the administration per se. It's about what laws are appropriate and how effective they are. And I would think a threat to our system of government should be a concern either way, but obviously that's just me.He Hate Me said:Sam Lowry said:What does that have to do with anything? You do realize Trump and Pence weren't exactly on the same page.RMF5630 said:Sam Lowry said:The problem is that Trump acted in a way that foreseeably led to violence. How does Pence certifying make that okay?RMF5630 said:Sam Lowry said:They thought it. That's how it was a coup, albeit unsuccessful.RMF5630 said:Sam Lowry said:Well, it was that and then also the fact there was this coup a little while later. Tends to raise suspicions.RMF5630 said:What I don't see is how his asking to remove the mags is illegal. The jump from he wants a bigger crowd for his ego becomes a coup to overthrow the Govt.Sam Lowry said:Magnetometers. He wanted them to stop confiscating the weapons.RMF5630 said:Didn't Trump tell the SS to confiscate weapons before letting them in and he wasn't concerned for his safety? Where is the illegal part? Telling them to get rid of the mags is illegal how? I am missing the point of this blockbuster testimony. Where does he say take away the mags so the weapons will be used to storm Congress and overthrow the Govt?? I am missing that. It was his rally.Sam Lowry said:
I'm not sure what you mean by third party. Understand, for example, that it's not hearsay if a witness hears Trump order the SS to get rid of the mags. That's first-hand testimony.
If they wanted to arrest people with weapons why didn't law enforcement. What are the gun laws in DC? Did they have conceal & carry licenses. Still not seeing the conspiracy to overthrow the Govt.
Coup? And just how were they going to take control of the Government? How were they going to do anything more than frighten Congress? Seriously, how was this a coup? You really think anything beyond the initial hour was going to hold or change?
How many were arrested? 700+? So where is the problem? Oh, that Trump was behind it? That he acted to noncommittal that Congress had to hide?
I am still struggling with the criminal issues for the Trump Administration. Pence certified, right? No one was pardoned, right? Trump left, right? Where is the act that is warranting this sideshow? Italian food may have a case...
This is about Trumps attempted coup and attack on American Deocracy. Yet, his Administration did everything required at the time it was required. Every thing went forward on time.
Pence was Trump's VP. The Trump Adiministration is a reflection on Trump, for BETTER and worse. You can't just say his Admin did something bad, it was Trump. Than when they do what they are supposed to say Trump.gets no credit. Regardless of what Trump said or how many spaghetti lunches he threw, his Admin met their Constitutional responsibilities on schedule. You totally disregard what they actually did in favor of rhetoric!
Who cares? You said J6 hearings are not about Trump per se. We must be concerned that the current administration is a threat to our system of government. That would be oversight.
It is just you because you are the only one who thinks J6 committee is not about "getting Trump."
Lol. Alongside all the evidence the Hillary campaign came up with.
I'm aware of the claims from the unnamed source. I've never had much to say about mean tweets.Oldbear83 said:"driver prepared to testify that Trump didn't grab steering wheel"Sam Lowry said:You assume the driver has already said that. You don't know.Oldbear83 said:Believe what you want, since the driver has already said that just did not happen.Sam Lowry said:Yeah, but there's a picture that's claimed to show otherwise. The reason for the discrepancy isn't clear without the agents' testimony. I don't know that it would be prohibitively difficult for Trump to move 18 feet, especially as enraged as he seems to have been.Oldbear83 said:Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.Sam Lowry said:I think they were in an SUV.Oldbear83 said:
Has anyone stopped to consider how difficult it would be for the President, sitting in the back of the 18-foot limousine, to even reach the steering wheel if he tried?
But sure, go with the unsupported, outrageous story if it fits your assumptions.
That is why this committee will not accomplish what they imagine they will accomplish.
And we have only your assumption the testimony was credible at all.
https://news.yahoo.com/secret-agent-willing-testify-trump-124545568.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-agents-testify-trump-lunge-steering-wheel-capitol-riot
Just give this one up, Sam, it was a dumb lie that didn't last a day before being called out.
You can always obsess about mean tweets.
Oldbear83 said:"driver prepared to testify that Trump didn't grab steering wheel"Sam Lowry said:You assume the driver has already said that. You don't know.Oldbear83 said:Believe what you want, since the driver has already said that just did not happen.Sam Lowry said:Yeah, but there's a picture that's claimed to show otherwise. The reason for the discrepancy isn't clear without the agents' testimony. I don't know that it would be prohibitively difficult for Trump to move 18 feet, especially as enraged as he seems to have been.Oldbear83 said:Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.Sam Lowry said:I think they were in an SUV.Oldbear83 said:
Has anyone stopped to consider how difficult it would be for the President, sitting in the back of the 18-foot limousine, to even reach the steering wheel if he tried?
But sure, go with the unsupported, outrageous story if it fits your assumptions.
That is why this committee will not accomplish what they imagine they will accomplish.
And we have only your assumption the testimony was credible at all.
https://news.yahoo.com/secret-agent-willing-testify-trump-124545568.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-agents-testify-trump-lunge-steering-wheel-capitol-riot
Just give this one up, Sam, it was a dumb lie that didn't last a day before being called out.
You can always obsess about mean tweets.
He ignored me when I pointed that out, too.
The American people are figuring out that neverTrumoers cannot be trusted if their lips are moving, they're lying.
Sam Lowry said:Which I fairly considered and rejected a long time ago. It has no relevance to this.He Hate Me said:Sam Lowry said:If it leads to incriminating evidence against Trump, that evidence should certainly be considered.He Hate Me said:Sam Lowry said:It's not about the administration per se. It's about what laws are appropriate and how effective they are. And I would think a threat to our system of government should be a concern either way, but obviously that's just me.He Hate Me said:Sam Lowry said:What does that have to do with anything? You do realize Trump and Pence weren't exactly on the same page.RMF5630 said:Sam Lowry said:The problem is that Trump acted in a way that foreseeably led to violence. How does Pence certifying make that okay?RMF5630 said:Sam Lowry said:They thought it. That's how it was a coup, albeit unsuccessful.RMF5630 said:Sam Lowry said:Well, it was that and then also the fact there was this coup a little while later. Tends to raise suspicions.RMF5630 said:What I don't see is how his asking to remove the mags is illegal. The jump from he wants a bigger crowd for his ego becomes a coup to overthrow the Govt.Sam Lowry said:Magnetometers. He wanted them to stop confiscating the weapons.RMF5630 said:Didn't Trump tell the SS to confiscate weapons before letting them in and he wasn't concerned for his safety? Where is the illegal part? Telling them to get rid of the mags is illegal how? I am missing the point of this blockbuster testimony. Where does he say take away the mags so the weapons will be used to storm Congress and overthrow the Govt?? I am missing that. It was his rally.Sam Lowry said:
I'm not sure what you mean by third party. Understand, for example, that it's not hearsay if a witness hears Trump order the SS to get rid of the mags. That's first-hand testimony.
If they wanted to arrest people with weapons why didn't law enforcement. What are the gun laws in DC? Did they have conceal & carry licenses. Still not seeing the conspiracy to overthrow the Govt.
Coup? And just how were they going to take control of the Government? How were they going to do anything more than frighten Congress? Seriously, how was this a coup? You really think anything beyond the initial hour was going to hold or change?
How many were arrested? 700+? So where is the problem? Oh, that Trump was behind it? That he acted to noncommittal that Congress had to hide?
I am still struggling with the criminal issues for the Trump Administration. Pence certified, right? No one was pardoned, right? Trump left, right? Where is the act that is warranting this sideshow? Italian food may have a case...
This is about Trumps attempted coup and attack on American Deocracy. Yet, his Administration did everything required at the time it was required. Every thing went forward on time.
Pence was Trump's VP. The Trump Adiministration is a reflection on Trump, for BETTER and worse. You can't just say his Admin did something bad, it was Trump. Than when they do what they are supposed to say Trump.gets no credit. Regardless of what Trump said or how many spaghetti lunches he threw, his Admin met their Constitutional responsibilities on schedule. You totally disregard what they actually did in favor of rhetoric!
Who cares? You said J6 hearings are not about Trump per se. We must be concerned that the current administration is a threat to our system of government. That would be oversight.
It is just you because you are the only one who thinks J6 committee is not about "getting Trump."
Lol. Alongside all the evidence the Hillary campaign came up with.
There is nothing here, Sammy.
If he heads the ticket in 2024 we will lose everything. EVERYTHING. Just hand it over to Schiff and Schumer.Rawhide said:Cool thing that you don't have to vote for him in 2024, eh?Aliceinbubbleland said:Agreed. I don't watch the hearings but I do read about them. Her testimony has hurt the Committee.Rawhide said:
She's about as credible as Christine Blasey-Ford.
However, to me these are petty things about his temper tantrum's. Harry Truman had them too. LBJ was a walking *******.
Nevertheless my friends on the right, Trump DID in fact encourage the Jan 6 insurrection. That alone is enough to never forgive the *******.
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I've addressed it several times now.whiterock said:Oldbear83 said:"driver prepared to testify that Trump didn't grab steering wheel"Sam Lowry said:You assume the driver has already said that. You don't know.Oldbear83 said:Believe what you want, since the driver has already said that just did not happen.Sam Lowry said:Yeah, but there's a picture that's claimed to show otherwise. The reason for the discrepancy isn't clear without the agents' testimony. I don't know that it would be prohibitively difficult for Trump to move 18 feet, especially as enraged as he seems to have been.Oldbear83 said:Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.Sam Lowry said:I think they were in an SUV.Oldbear83 said:
Has anyone stopped to consider how difficult it would be for the President, sitting in the back of the 18-foot limousine, to even reach the steering wheel if he tried?
But sure, go with the unsupported, outrageous story if it fits your assumptions.
That is why this committee will not accomplish what they imagine they will accomplish.
And we have only your assumption the testimony was credible at all.
https://news.yahoo.com/secret-agent-willing-testify-trump-124545568.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-agents-testify-trump-lunge-steering-wheel-capitol-riot
Just give this one up, Sam, it was a dumb lie that didn't last a day before being called out.
You can always obsess about mean tweets.
He ignored me when I pointed that out, too.
The American people are figuring out that neverTrumoers cannot be trusted if their lips are moving, they're lying.
Sam Lowry said:I've addressed it several times now.whiterock said:Oldbear83 said:"driver prepared to testify that Trump didn't grab steering wheel"Sam Lowry said:You assume the driver has already said that. You don't know.Oldbear83 said:Believe what you want, since the driver has already said that just did not happen.Sam Lowry said:Yeah, but there's a picture that's claimed to show otherwise. The reason for the discrepancy isn't clear without the agents' testimony. I don't know that it would be prohibitively difficult for Trump to move 18 feet, especially as enraged as he seems to have been.Oldbear83 said:Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.Sam Lowry said:I think they were in an SUV.Oldbear83 said:
Has anyone stopped to consider how difficult it would be for the President, sitting in the back of the 18-foot limousine, to even reach the steering wheel if he tried?
But sure, go with the unsupported, outrageous story if it fits your assumptions.
That is why this committee will not accomplish what they imagine they will accomplish.
And we have only your assumption the testimony was credible at all.
https://news.yahoo.com/secret-agent-willing-testify-trump-124545568.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-agents-testify-trump-lunge-steering-wheel-capitol-riot
Just give this one up, Sam, it was a dumb lie that didn't last a day before being called out.
You can always obsess about mean tweets.
He ignored me when I pointed that out, too.
The American people are figuring out that neverTrumoers cannot be trusted if their lips are moving, they're lying.
You've mischaracterized it several times now. Par for the neverTrumper course.
In what way?whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:I've addressed it several times now.whiterock said:Oldbear83 said:"driver prepared to testify that Trump didn't grab steering wheel"Sam Lowry said:You assume the driver has already said that. You don't know.Oldbear83 said:Believe what you want, since the driver has already said that just did not happen.Sam Lowry said:Yeah, but there's a picture that's claimed to show otherwise. The reason for the discrepancy isn't clear without the agents' testimony. I don't know that it would be prohibitively difficult for Trump to move 18 feet, especially as enraged as he seems to have been.Oldbear83 said:Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.Sam Lowry said:I think they were in an SUV.Oldbear83 said:
Has anyone stopped to consider how difficult it would be for the President, sitting in the back of the 18-foot limousine, to even reach the steering wheel if he tried?
But sure, go with the unsupported, outrageous story if it fits your assumptions.
That is why this committee will not accomplish what they imagine they will accomplish.
And we have only your assumption the testimony was credible at all.
https://news.yahoo.com/secret-agent-willing-testify-trump-124545568.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-agents-testify-trump-lunge-steering-wheel-capitol-riot
Just give this one up, Sam, it was a dumb lie that didn't last a day before being called out.
You can always obsess about mean tweets.
He ignored me when I pointed that out, too.
The American people are figuring out that neverTrumoers cannot be trusted if their lips are moving, they're lying.
You've mischaracterized it several times now. Par for the neverTrumper course.
Hutchinson, a key cooperator in the 1/6 probe, is now represented by a lawyer who was himself a key cooperator. Jody Hunt was CoS to Jeff Sessions.
His accounts of Trump's treatment of Sessions were cited repeatedly in Mueller's report.
His accounts of Trump's treatment of Sessions were cited repeatedly in Mueller's report.
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Well then, it sounds like you may want to vote for him if he's on the 2024 general ballot.Aliceinbubbleland said:If he heads the ticket in 2024 we will lose everything. EVERYTHING. Just hand it over to Schiff and Schumer.Rawhide said:Cool thing that you don't have to vote for him in 2024, eh?Aliceinbubbleland said:Agreed. I don't watch the hearings but I do read about them. Her testimony has hurt the Committee.Rawhide said:
She's about as credible as Christine Blasey-Ford.
However, to me these are petty things about his temper tantrum's. Harry Truman had them too. LBJ was a walking *******.
Nevertheless my friends on the right, Trump DID in fact encourage the Jan 6 insurrection. That alone is enough to never forgive the *******.
Raskin shows his committee’s weakness pic.twitter.com/bwy4sBXDv9
— James Hirsen (@thejimjams) June 29, 2022
Sam Lowry said:What does that have to do with anything? You do realize Trump and Pence weren't exactly on the same page.RMF5630 said:Sam Lowry said:The problem is that Trump acted in a way that foreseeably led to violence. How does Pence certifying make that okay?RMF5630 said:Sam Lowry said:They thought it. That's how it was a coup, albeit unsuccessful.RMF5630 said:Sam Lowry said:Well, it was that and then also the fact there was this coup a little while later. Tends to raise suspicions.RMF5630 said:What I don't see is how his asking to remove the mags is illegal. The jump from he wants a bigger crowd for his ego becomes a coup to overthrow the Govt.Sam Lowry said:Magnetometers. He wanted them to stop confiscating the weapons.RMF5630 said:Didn't Trump tell the SS to confiscate weapons before letting them in and he wasn't concerned for his safety? Where is the illegal part? Telling them to get rid of the mags is illegal how? I am missing the point of this blockbuster testimony. Where does he say take away the mags so the weapons will be used to storm Congress and overthrow the Govt?? I am missing that. It was his rally.Sam Lowry said:
I'm not sure what you mean by third party. Understand, for example, that it's not hearsay if a witness hears Trump order the SS to get rid of the mags. That's first-hand testimony.
If they wanted to arrest people with weapons why didn't law enforcement. What are the gun laws in DC? Did they have conceal & carry licenses. Still not seeing the conspiracy to overthrow the Govt.
Coup? And just how were they going to take control of the Government? How were they going to do anything more than frighten Congress? Seriously, how was this a coup? You really think anything beyond the initial hour was going to hold or change?
How many were arrested? 700+? So where is the problem? Oh, that Trump was behind it? That he acted to noncommittal that Congress had to hide?
I am still struggling with the criminal issues for the Trump Administration. Pence certified, right? No one was pardoned, right? Trump left, right? Where is the act that is warranting this sideshow? Italian food may have a case...
This is about Trumps attempted coup and attack on American Deocracy. Yet, his Administration did everything required at the time it was required. Every thing went forward on time.
Pence was Trump's VP. The Trump Adiministration is a reflection on Trump, for BETTER and worse. You can't just say his Admin did something bad, it was Trump. Than when they do what they are supposed to say Trump.gets no credit. Regardless of what Trump said or how many spaghetti lunches he threw, his Admin met their Constitutional responsibilities on schedule. You totally disregard what they actually did in favor of rhetoric!
Pence answers to Trump. Remember, "The Buck Stops Here"? No matter how much they disagreed, what did Trump's VP do as President of Senate?
Chalk it up to Pence saving Trump from a bad decision. Chalk it up to there are alot of bad ideas that never are implemented. Maybe, it was theater to protect Trumps base. Who knows. It does not matter. They met their Constitutional responsibility and power changed hands. There can be no coup led by Trump because his Admin did what they were supposed to on schedule. Biden is President. There was no coup, just a bunch of whack jobs that went too far demonstrating and they were arrested.
I can even make a strong argument based on Trumps handling of 2020 riots and messages that if he were allowed to go to Congress he would have de-escalated the situation. Probably the only one that could.
4th and Inches said:
Hutchinson, a key leftist democrat collaborator in the 1/6 probe, is now represented by a lawyer who was himself a key leftist democrat collaborator. Jody Hunt was CoS to Jeff Sessions.
His accounts of Trump's treatment of Sessions were cited repeatedly in Mueller's report.
Fify people who work with the democrats on virtually anything are no better than the Vichy French.
It seems some WH personnel refer to any ground vehicle the president is in as "the beast", just as any fixed wing plane that carries the president is referred to as Air Force One4th and Inches said:Sam Lowry said:They have corroboration of Trump's dispute with the agents, and its outcome:4th and Inches said:the committee has interviewed them and have no corroboration of Hutchinson testimony as reported on CNN.Sam Lowry said:
The committee has already interviewed the agents, BTW. Engel confirmed the most important aspect of the story, which is that Trump insisted on going to the Capitol and they had to refuse.
The most important part of the story is half of it is made up.. fiction is fiction even with a basis in truthQuote:
As then-President Donald Trump left a rally with his supporters on Jan. 6, 2021, he appears to have held out hope until the last minute -- even as chaos unfolded -- that he'd be able to join them at the Capitol.
Trump even raised the prospect privately with the head of his Secret Service detail at the time, Robert Engel, according to a person familiar with the agent's congressional testimony. Engel rode with Trump in the presidential armored car called "The Beast" back to the White House after the Ellipse rally that preceded that day's violent riot.
Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trump's desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engel's testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.
The testimony shows just how much Trump wanted to be at the Capitol with his backers as Congress voted to certify his Electoral College loss to Joe Biden. And he expressed his desire to join the protesters even as violence was unfolding.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217
Trump wasnt in the beast, thanks for playing. Posted the video earlier in this thread showin proof he wasnt.
Osodecentx said:It seems some WH personnel refer to any ground vehicle the president is in as "the beast", just as any fixed wing plane that carries the president is referred to as Air Force One4th and Inches said:Sam Lowry said:They have corroboration of Trump's dispute with the agents, and its outcome:4th and Inches said:the committee has interviewed them and have no corroboration of Hutchinson testimony as reported on CNN.Sam Lowry said:
The committee has already interviewed the agents, BTW. Engel confirmed the most important aspect of the story, which is that Trump insisted on going to the Capitol and they had to refuse.
The most important part of the story is half of it is made up.. fiction is fiction even with a basis in truthQuote:
As then-President Donald Trump left a rally with his supporters on Jan. 6, 2021, he appears to have held out hope until the last minute -- even as chaos unfolded -- that he'd be able to join them at the Capitol.
Trump even raised the prospect privately with the head of his Secret Service detail at the time, Robert Engel, according to a person familiar with the agent's congressional testimony. Engel rode with Trump in the presidential armored car called "The Beast" back to the White House after the Ellipse rally that preceded that day's violent riot.
Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trump's desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engel's testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.
The testimony shows just how much Trump wanted to be at the Capitol with his backers as Congress voted to certify his Electoral College loss to Joe Biden. And he expressed his desire to join the protesters even as violence was unfolding.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217
Trump wasnt in the beast, thanks for playing. Posted the video earlier in this thread showin proof he wasnt.
Reported from your window on the NeverTrumper Crazy Train.
These links are news reports that the SS agents "are prepared to testify". That is hearsay. When they do under oath it is no longer hearsay.Oldbear83 said:"driver prepared to testify that Trump didn't grab steering wheel"Sam Lowry said:You assume the driver has already said that. You don't know.Oldbear83 said:Believe what you want, since the driver has already said that just did not happen.Sam Lowry said:Yeah, but there's a picture that's claimed to show otherwise. The reason for the discrepancy isn't clear without the agents' testimony. I don't know that it would be prohibitively difficult for Trump to move 18 feet, especially as enraged as he seems to have been.Oldbear83 said:Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.Sam Lowry said:I think they were in an SUV.Oldbear83 said:
Has anyone stopped to consider how difficult it would be for the President, sitting in the back of the 18-foot limousine, to even reach the steering wheel if he tried?
But sure, go with the unsupported, outrageous story if it fits your assumptions.
That is why this committee will not accomplish what they imagine they will accomplish.
And we have only your assumption the testimony was credible at all.
https://news.yahoo.com/secret-agent-willing-testify-trump-124545568.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-agents-testify-trump-lunge-steering-wheel-capitol-riot
Just give this one up, Sam, it was a dumb lie that didn't last a day before being called out.
You can always obsess about mean tweets.
I have a lot of respect for the agents. Testimony from agents who were actually in the car would be hard to ignore.
okay, appreciate the updateOsodecentx said:It seems some WH personnel refer to any ground vehicle the president is in as "the beast", just as any fixed wing plane that carries the president is referred to as Air Force One4th and Inches said:Sam Lowry said:They have corroboration of Trump's dispute with the agents, and its outcome:4th and Inches said:the committee has interviewed them and have no corroboration of Hutchinson testimony as reported on CNN.Sam Lowry said:
The committee has already interviewed the agents, BTW. Engel confirmed the most important aspect of the story, which is that Trump insisted on going to the Capitol and they had to refuse.
The most important part of the story is half of it is made up.. fiction is fiction even with a basis in truthQuote:
As then-President Donald Trump left a rally with his supporters on Jan. 6, 2021, he appears to have held out hope until the last minute -- even as chaos unfolded -- that he'd be able to join them at the Capitol.
Trump even raised the prospect privately with the head of his Secret Service detail at the time, Robert Engel, according to a person familiar with the agent's congressional testimony. Engel rode with Trump in the presidential armored car called "The Beast" back to the White House after the Ellipse rally that preceded that day's violent riot.
Engel told Jan. 6 select committee investigators that the two men discussed Trump's desire to go to the Capitol and took different views on the topic. Engel noted that they went back to the White House instead of heading to Capitol Hill. The contents of Engel's testimony have not been previously reported. Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi declined to comment.
The testimony shows just how much Trump wanted to be at the Capitol with his backers as Congress voted to certify his Electoral College loss to Joe Biden. And he expressed his desire to join the protesters even as violence was unfolding.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217
Trump wasnt in the beast, thanks for playing. Posted the video earlier in this thread showin proof he wasnt.
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and now the alphabet media stirs to proactively impeach potential SS agent testimony - they were "aligned with Trump."Osodecentx said:These links are news reports that the SS agents "are prepared to testify". That is hearsay. When they do under oath it is no longer hearsay.Oldbear83 said:"driver prepared to testify that Trump didn't grab steering wheel"Sam Lowry said:You assume the driver has already said that. You don't know.Oldbear83 said:Believe what you want, since the driver has already said that just did not happen.Sam Lowry said:Yeah, but there's a picture that's claimed to show otherwise. The reason for the discrepancy isn't clear without the agents' testimony. I don't know that it would be prohibitively difficult for Trump to move 18 feet, especially as enraged as he seems to have been.Oldbear83 said:
Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.
And we have only your assumption the testimony was credible at all.
https://news.yahoo.com/secret-agent-willing-testify-trump-124545568.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-agents-testify-trump-lunge-steering-wheel-capitol-riot
Just give this one up, Sam, it was a dumb lie that didn't last a day before being called out.
You can always obsess about mean tweets.
I have a lot of respect for the agents. Testimony from agents who were actually in the car would be hard to ignore.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-security-detail-was-aligned-with-him-and-personally-cheering-for-biden-to-fail-says-author-of-book-on-the-secret-service/ar-AAZ1OYp
I would assess that SS is not going to allow those agents to testify, as part of a wise and long-standing policy of keeping the SS out of partisan politics. And the folks on the committee know that. So they put up outlandish and easily refutable hearsay evidence knowing that there will not likely be direct refutation forthcoming. Only now they see it's not only not having any impact, it's threatening to blow up in their faces.
Time to step away from the shovel, buddy. I mean, seriously, this is the jump-the-shark moment for the never-Trump movement. If you don't step back now, the vortex will completely consume you. It's all contrivance, all the time from here on down. It'd be one thing if you're winning, but you're going backwards.
Since such testimony would debunk their story, zero chance the committee allows their testimony, just as they have filtered out all evidence in Trump's defense.Osodecentx said:These links are news reports that the SS agents "are prepared to testify". That is hearsay. When they do under oath it is no longer hearsay.Oldbear83 said:"driver prepared to testify that Trump didn't grab steering wheel"Sam Lowry said:You assume the driver has already said that. You don't know.Oldbear83 said:Believe what you want, since the driver has already said that just did not happen.Sam Lowry said:Yeah, but there's a picture that's claimed to show otherwise. The reason for the discrepancy isn't clear without the agents' testimony. I don't know that it would be prohibitively difficult for Trump to move 18 feet, especially as enraged as he seems to have been.Oldbear83 said:Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.Sam Lowry said:I think they were in an SUV.Oldbear83 said:
Has anyone stopped to consider how difficult it would be for the President, sitting in the back of the 18-foot limousine, to even reach the steering wheel if he tried?
But sure, go with the unsupported, outrageous story if it fits your assumptions.
That is why this committee will not accomplish what they imagine they will accomplish.
And we have only your assumption the testimony was credible at all.
https://news.yahoo.com/secret-agent-willing-testify-trump-124545568.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-agents-testify-trump-lunge-steering-wheel-capitol-riot
Just give this one up, Sam, it was a dumb lie that didn't last a day before being called out.
You can always obsess about mean tweets.
I have a lot of respect for the agents. Testimony from agents who were actually in the car would be hard to ignore.
It can be fun playing lawyer, but dishonest to ignore things which warn you should check your assumptions.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
I wonder about this also. I thought I read earlier on this thread that they already testified, though.whiterock said:and now the alphabet media stirs to proactively impeach potential SS agent testimony - they were "aligned with Trump."Osodecentx said:These links are news reports that the SS agents "are prepared to testify". That is hearsay. When they do under oath it is no longer hearsay.Oldbear83 said:"driver prepared to testify that Trump didn't grab steering wheel"Sam Lowry said:You assume the driver has already said that. You don't know.Oldbear83 said:Believe what you want, since the driver has already said that just did not happen.Sam Lowry said:Yeah, but there's a picture that's claimed to show otherwise. The reason for the discrepancy isn't clear without the agents' testimony. I don't know that it would be prohibitively difficult for Trump to move 18 feet, especially as enraged as he seems to have been.Oldbear83 said:
Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.
And we have only your assumption the testimony was credible at all.
https://news.yahoo.com/secret-agent-willing-testify-trump-124545568.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-agents-testify-trump-lunge-steering-wheel-capitol-riot
Just give this one up, Sam, it was a dumb lie that didn't last a day before being called out.
You can always obsess about mean tweets.
I have a lot of respect for the agents. Testimony from agents who were actually in the car would be hard to ignore.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-security-detail-was-aligned-with-him-and-personally-cheering-for-biden-to-fail-says-author-of-book-on-the-secret-service/ar-AAZ1OYp
I would assess that SS is not going to allow those agents to testify, as part of a wise and long-standing policy of keeping the SS out of partisan politics. And the folks on the committee know that. So they put up outlandish and easily refutable hearsay evidence knowing that there will not likely be direct refutation forthcoming. Only now they see it's not only not having any impact, it's threatening to blow up in their faces.
Why do you think the Committee won't let the agents testify. Your links say they will.Oldbear83 said:Since such testimony would debunk their story, zero chance the committee allows their testimony, just as they have filtered out all evidence in Trump's defense.Osodecentx said:These links are news reports that the SS agents "are prepared to testify". That is hearsay. When they do under oath it is no longer hearsay.Oldbear83 said:"driver prepared to testify that Trump didn't grab steering wheel"Sam Lowry said:You assume the driver has already said that. You don't know.Oldbear83 said:Believe what you want, since the driver has already said that just did not happen.Sam Lowry said:Yeah, but there's a picture that's claimed to show otherwise. The reason for the discrepancy isn't clear without the agents' testimony. I don't know that it would be prohibitively difficult for Trump to move 18 feet, especially as enraged as he seems to have been.Oldbear83 said:Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.Sam Lowry said:I think they were in an SUV.Oldbear83 said:
Has anyone stopped to consider how difficult it would be for the President, sitting in the back of the 18-foot limousine, to even reach the steering wheel if he tried?
But sure, go with the unsupported, outrageous story if it fits your assumptions.
That is why this committee will not accomplish what they imagine they will accomplish.
And we have only your assumption the testimony was credible at all.
https://news.yahoo.com/secret-agent-willing-testify-trump-124545568.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-agents-testify-trump-lunge-steering-wheel-capitol-riot
Just give this one up, Sam, it was a dumb lie that didn't last a day before being called out.
You can always obsess about mean tweets.
I have a lot of respect for the agents. Testimony from agents who were actually in the car would be hard to ignore.
It can be fun playing lawyer, but dishonest to ignore things which warn you should check your assumptions.
What am I ignoring?
Interesting that we have exactly one first-hand account of the matter, and it's the only one that most of you refuse to even consider. That says a lot about the seriousness of your "hearsay" objections.Oldbear83 said:Since such testimony would debunk their story, zero chance the committee allows their testimony, just as they have filtered out all evidence in Trump's defense.Osodecentx said:These links are news reports that the SS agents "are prepared to testify". That is hearsay. When they do under oath it is no longer hearsay.Oldbear83 said:"driver prepared to testify that Trump didn't grab steering wheel"Sam Lowry said:You assume the driver has already said that. You don't know.Oldbear83 said:Believe what you want, since the driver has already said that just did not happen.Sam Lowry said:Yeah, but there's a picture that's claimed to show otherwise. The reason for the discrepancy isn't clear without the agents' testimony. I don't know that it would be prohibitively difficult for Trump to move 18 feet, especially as enraged as he seems to have been.Oldbear83 said:Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.Sam Lowry said:I think they were in an SUV.Oldbear83 said:
Has anyone stopped to consider how difficult it would be for the President, sitting in the back of the 18-foot limousine, to even reach the steering wheel if he tried?
But sure, go with the unsupported, outrageous story if it fits your assumptions.
That is why this committee will not accomplish what they imagine they will accomplish.
And we have only your assumption the testimony was credible at all.
https://news.yahoo.com/secret-agent-willing-testify-trump-124545568.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-agents-testify-trump-lunge-steering-wheel-capitol-riot
Just give this one up, Sam, it was a dumb lie that didn't last a day before being called out.
You can always obsess about mean tweets.
I have a lot of respect for the agents. Testimony from agents who were actually in the car would be hard to ignore.
It can be fun playing lawyer, but dishonest to ignore things which warn you should check your assumptions.
They volunteered to testify. The committee. which denied evidence which defends Trump, which altered statements by Trump to exclude context, will certainly not allow their story to be challenged by credible witnesses who were actually there.Osodecentx said:Why do you think the Committee won't let the agents testify. Your links say they will.Oldbear83 said:Since such testimony would debunk their story, zero chance the committee allows their testimony, just as they have filtered out all evidence in Trump's defense.Osodecentx said:These links are news reports that the SS agents "are prepared to testify". That is hearsay. When they do under oath it is no longer hearsay.Oldbear83 said:"driver prepared to testify that Trump didn't grab steering wheel"Sam Lowry said:You assume the driver has already said that. You don't know.Oldbear83 said:Believe what you want, since the driver has already said that just did not happen.Sam Lowry said:Yeah, but there's a picture that's claimed to show otherwise. The reason for the discrepancy isn't clear without the agents' testimony. I don't know that it would be prohibitively difficult for Trump to move 18 feet, especially as enraged as he seems to have been.Oldbear83 said:Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.Sam Lowry said:I think they were in an SUV.Oldbear83 said:
Has anyone stopped to consider how difficult it would be for the President, sitting in the back of the 18-foot limousine, to even reach the steering wheel if he tried?
But sure, go with the unsupported, outrageous story if it fits your assumptions.
That is why this committee will not accomplish what they imagine they will accomplish.
And we have only your assumption the testimony was credible at all.
https://news.yahoo.com/secret-agent-willing-testify-trump-124545568.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-agents-testify-trump-lunge-steering-wheel-capitol-riot
Just give this one up, Sam, it was a dumb lie that didn't last a day before being called out.
You can always obsess about mean tweets.
I have a lot of respect for the agents. Testimony from agents who were actually in the car would be hard to ignore.
It can be fun playing lawyer, but dishonest to ignore things which warn you should check your assumptions.
What am I ignoring?
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Disappointing, that we have a dubious account which has already been disputed by credible witnesses, yet Sam abandons standard court rules in order to smear the accused.Sam Lowry said:Interesting that we have exactly one first-hand account of the matter, and it's the only one that most of you refuse to even consider. That says a lot about the seriousness of your "hearsay" objections.Oldbear83 said:Since such testimony would debunk their story, zero chance the committee allows their testimony, just as they have filtered out all evidence in Trump's defense.Osodecentx said:These links are news reports that the SS agents "are prepared to testify". That is hearsay. When they do under oath it is no longer hearsay.Oldbear83 said:"driver prepared to testify that Trump didn't grab steering wheel"Sam Lowry said:You assume the driver has already said that. You don't know.Oldbear83 said:Believe what you want, since the driver has already said that just did not happen.Sam Lowry said:Yeah, but there's a picture that's claimed to show otherwise. The reason for the discrepancy isn't clear without the agents' testimony. I don't know that it would be prohibitively difficult for Trump to move 18 feet, especially as enraged as he seems to have been.Oldbear83 said:Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.Sam Lowry said:I think they were in an SUV.Oldbear83 said:
Has anyone stopped to consider how difficult it would be for the President, sitting in the back of the 18-foot limousine, to even reach the steering wheel if he tried?
But sure, go with the unsupported, outrageous story if it fits your assumptions.
That is why this committee will not accomplish what they imagine they will accomplish.
And we have only your assumption the testimony was credible at all.
https://news.yahoo.com/secret-agent-willing-testify-trump-124545568.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-agents-testify-trump-lunge-steering-wheel-capitol-riot
Just give this one up, Sam, it was a dumb lie that didn't last a day before being called out.
You can always obsess about mean tweets.
I have a lot of respect for the agents. Testimony from agents who were actually in the car would be hard to ignore.
It can be fun playing lawyer, but dishonest to ignore things which warn you should check your assumptions.
And yes, Sam, we know this is not a real court case, ironically because in a real court case the accused would the right to defend himself, which this committee has worked hard to prevent.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
In a real court case, you wouldn't hear second-hand accounts from witnesses who were "prepared to testify" but didn't. That's the standard rule you're abandoning.Oldbear83 said:Disappointing, that we have a dubious account which has already been disputed by credible witnesses, yet Sam abandons standard court rules in order to smear the accused.Sam Lowry said:Interesting that we have exactly one first-hand account of the matter, and it's the only one that most of you refuse to even consider. That says a lot about the seriousness of your "hearsay" objections.Oldbear83 said:Since such testimony would debunk their story, zero chance the committee allows their testimony, just as they have filtered out all evidence in Trump's defense.Osodecentx said:These links are news reports that the SS agents "are prepared to testify". That is hearsay. When they do under oath it is no longer hearsay.Oldbear83 said:"driver prepared to testify that Trump didn't grab steering wheel"Sam Lowry said:You assume the driver has already said that. You don't know.Oldbear83 said:Believe what you want, since the driver has already said that just did not happen.Sam Lowry said:Yeah, but there's a picture that's claimed to show otherwise. The reason for the discrepancy isn't clear without the agents' testimony. I don't know that it would be prohibitively difficult for Trump to move 18 feet, especially as enraged as he seems to have been.Oldbear83 said:Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.Sam Lowry said:I think they were in an SUV.Oldbear83 said:
Has anyone stopped to consider how difficult it would be for the President, sitting in the back of the 18-foot limousine, to even reach the steering wheel if he tried?
But sure, go with the unsupported, outrageous story if it fits your assumptions.
That is why this committee will not accomplish what they imagine they will accomplish.
And we have only your assumption the testimony was credible at all.
https://news.yahoo.com/secret-agent-willing-testify-trump-124545568.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-agents-testify-trump-lunge-steering-wheel-capitol-riot
Just give this one up, Sam, it was a dumb lie that didn't last a day before being called out.
You can always obsess about mean tweets.
I have a lot of respect for the agents. Testimony from agents who were actually in the car would be hard to ignore.
It can be fun playing lawyer, but dishonest to ignore things which warn you should check your assumptions.
And yes, Sam, we know this is not a real court case, ironically because in a real court case the accused would the right to defend himself, which this committee has worked hard to prevent.
Osodecentx said:I wonder about this also. I thought I read earlier on this thread that they already testified, though.whiterock said:and now the alphabet media stirs to proactively impeach potential SS agent testimony - they were "aligned with Trump."Osodecentx said:These links are news reports that the SS agents "are prepared to testify". That is hearsay. When they do under oath it is no longer hearsay.Oldbear83 said:"driver prepared to testify that Trump didn't grab steering wheel"Sam Lowry said:You assume the driver has already said that. You don't know.Oldbear83 said:Believe what you want, since the driver has already said that just did not happen.Sam Lowry said:Yeah, but there's a picture that's claimed to show otherwise. The reason for the discrepancy isn't clear without the agents' testimony. I don't know that it would be prohibitively difficult for Trump to move 18 feet, especially as enraged as he seems to have been.Oldbear83 said:
Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.
And we have only your assumption the testimony was credible at all.
https://news.yahoo.com/secret-agent-willing-testify-trump-124545568.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-agents-testify-trump-lunge-steering-wheel-capitol-riot
Just give this one up, Sam, it was a dumb lie that didn't last a day before being called out.
You can always obsess about mean tweets.
I have a lot of respect for the agents. Testimony from agents who were actually in the car would be hard to ignore.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-security-detail-was-aligned-with-him-and-personally-cheering-for-biden-to-fail-says-author-of-book-on-the-secret-service/ar-AAZ1OYp
I would assess that SS is not going to allow those agents to testify, as part of a wise and long-standing policy of keeping the SS out of partisan politics. And the folks on the committee know that. So they put up outlandish and easily refutable hearsay evidence knowing that there will not likely be direct refutation forthcoming. Only now they see it's not only not having any impact, it's threatening to blow up in their faces.
If they've already testified, then it's definitely not hearsay.
If Trump did grab the wheel and throw his lunch on the wall it would actually make me like him more. Also, it just shows how everyone in the govt was undermining his authority as president.whiterock said:Osodecentx said:I wonder about this also. I thought I read earlier on this thread that they already testified, though.whiterock said:and now the alphabet media stirs to proactively impeach potential SS agent testimony - they were "aligned with Trump."Osodecentx said:These links are news reports that the SS agents "are prepared to testify". That is hearsay. When they do under oath it is no longer hearsay.Oldbear83 said:"driver prepared to testify that Trump didn't grab steering wheel"Sam Lowry said:You assume the driver has already said that. You don't know.Oldbear83 said:Believe what you want, since the driver has already said that just did not happen.Sam Lowry said:Yeah, but there's a picture that's claimed to show otherwise. The reason for the discrepancy isn't clear without the agents' testimony. I don't know that it would be prohibitively difficult for Trump to move 18 feet, especially as enraged as he seems to have been.Oldbear83 said:
Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.
And we have only your assumption the testimony was credible at all.
https://news.yahoo.com/secret-agent-willing-testify-trump-124545568.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-agents-testify-trump-lunge-steering-wheel-capitol-riot
Just give this one up, Sam, it was a dumb lie that didn't last a day before being called out.
You can always obsess about mean tweets.
I have a lot of respect for the agents. Testimony from agents who were actually in the car would be hard to ignore.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-security-detail-was-aligned-with-him-and-personally-cheering-for-biden-to-fail-says-author-of-book-on-the-secret-service/ar-AAZ1OYp
I would assess that SS is not going to allow those agents to testify, as part of a wise and long-standing policy of keeping the SS out of partisan politics. And the folks on the committee know that. So they put up outlandish and easily refutable hearsay evidence knowing that there will not likely be direct refutation forthcoming. Only now they see it's not only not having any impact, it's threatening to blow up in their faces.
If they've already testified, then it's definitely not hearsay.
they did, and then CNN post Hitchinson testimony said the committee has no corroborating evidence or discrediting evidence of her testimony.Osodecentx said:I wonder about this also. I thought I read earlier on this thread that they already testified, though.whiterock said:and now the alphabet media stirs to proactively impeach potential SS agent testimony - they were "aligned with Trump."Osodecentx said:These links are news reports that the SS agents "are prepared to testify". That is hearsay. When they do under oath it is no longer hearsay.Oldbear83 said:"driver prepared to testify that Trump didn't grab steering wheel"Sam Lowry said:You assume the driver has already said that. You don't know.Oldbear83 said:Believe what you want, since the driver has already said that just did not happen.Sam Lowry said:Yeah, but there's a picture that's claimed to show otherwise. The reason for the discrepancy isn't clear without the agents' testimony. I don't know that it would be prohibitively difficult for Trump to move 18 feet, especially as enraged as he seems to have been.Oldbear83 said:
Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.
And we have only your assumption the testimony was credible at all.
https://news.yahoo.com/secret-agent-willing-testify-trump-124545568.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-agents-testify-trump-lunge-steering-wheel-capitol-riot
Just give this one up, Sam, it was a dumb lie that didn't last a day before being called out.
You can always obsess about mean tweets.
I have a lot of respect for the agents. Testimony from agents who were actually in the car would be hard to ignore.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-security-detail-was-aligned-with-him-and-personally-cheering-for-biden-to-fail-says-author-of-book-on-the-secret-service/ar-AAZ1OYp
I would assess that SS is not going to allow those agents to testify, as part of a wise and long-standing policy of keeping the SS out of partisan politics. And the folks on the committee know that. So they put up outlandish and easily refutable hearsay evidence knowing that there will not likely be direct refutation forthcoming. Only now they see it's not only not having any impact, it's threatening to blow up in their faces.
Multiple major news outlets are reporting sources saying the SS will testify to rebut if asked to.. you think the committee will ask them? I bet they dont
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Since we are not in court, everyone is free to draw their own negative inference about the Committee, its biases, and its agenda if it fails to call the Sec. Svc.4th and Inches said:they did, and then CNN post Hitchinson testimony said the committee has no corroborating evidence or discrediting evidence of her testimony.Osodecentx said:I wonder about this also. I thought I read earlier on this thread that they already testified, though.whiterock said:and now the alphabet media stirs to proactively impeach potential SS agent testimony - they were "aligned with Trump."Osodecentx said:These links are news reports that the SS agents "are prepared to testify". That is hearsay. When they do under oath it is no longer hearsay.Oldbear83 said:"driver prepared to testify that Trump didn't grab steering wheel"Sam Lowry said:You assume the driver has already said that. You don't know.Oldbear83 said:Believe what you want, since the driver has already said that just did not happen.Sam Lowry said:Yeah, but there's a picture that's claimed to show otherwise. The reason for the discrepancy isn't clear without the agents' testimony. I don't know that it would be prohibitively difficult for Trump to move 18 feet, especially as enraged as he seems to have been.Oldbear83 said:
Nope. She even referred to it as "The Beast", which is Secret Service jargon for the big limo.
And we have only your assumption the testimony was credible at all.
https://news.yahoo.com/secret-agent-willing-testify-trump-124545568.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-agents-testify-trump-lunge-steering-wheel-capitol-riot
Just give this one up, Sam, it was a dumb lie that didn't last a day before being called out.
You can always obsess about mean tweets.
I have a lot of respect for the agents. Testimony from agents who were actually in the car would be hard to ignore.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-security-detail-was-aligned-with-him-and-personally-cheering-for-biden-to-fail-says-author-of-book-on-the-secret-service/ar-AAZ1OYp
I would assess that SS is not going to allow those agents to testify, as part of a wise and long-standing policy of keeping the SS out of partisan politics. And the folks on the committee know that. So they put up outlandish and easily refutable hearsay evidence knowing that there will not likely be direct refutation forthcoming. Only now they see it's not only not having any impact, it's threatening to blow up in their faces.
Multiple major news outlets are reporting sources saying the SS will testify to rebut if asked to.. you think the committee will ask them? I bet they dont