Waco1947 said:

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Taliban is reasserting control. 20 years and 2,500 American deaths.

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Thanks to Biden.

Huge issue during Obama administration, not so much an issue during the Trump administration, becoming a huge issue again in the Biden administration. I may be reaching here but I think there is a common thread..

4th and Inches said:

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Huge issue during Obama administration, not so much an issue during the Trump administration, becoming a huge issue again in the Biden administration. I may be reaching here but I think there is a common thread..

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explain. how was it not an issue in Trump's admin? Biden is doing what Trump had in his platform.. which is ironic

fadskier said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Taliban is reasserting control. 20 years and 2,500 American deaths.

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Thanks to Biden.

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Trump is the guy who okayed the withdrawal of any remaining US forces in Afghanistan, but i guess you dont want to blame him?

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fadskier said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Taliban is reasserting control. 20 years and 2,500 American deaths.

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Thanks to Biden.

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Trump is the guy who okayed the withdrawal of any remaining US forces in Afghanistan, but i guess you dont want to blame him?

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I blame Bush & Co. Nation Building is for countries that had a nation before we started dropping bombs on them.

fadskier said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Taliban is reasserting control. 20 years and 2,500 American deaths.

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Thanks to Biden.

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Don't blame this on Biden.

He didn't create the Taliban and no amount of American presence / influence / schooling / policing was going to control the Taliban w/ Pakistan right next door pumping money into the Taliban, hiding thugs like Bin Laden and supporting the rapes of boys and the murder of girls for gonig to school.

Afghans will either rise up and fight the Taliban effectively or they will succomb/surrender to it.

All our presence there did was delay the inevitable. We were trying to stop a volcano from erupting. That's impossible.

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cms186 said:

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fadskier said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Taliban is reasserting control. 20 years and 2,500 American deaths.

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Thanks to Biden.

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Trump is the guy who okayed the withdrawal of any remaining US forces in Afghanistan, but i guess you dont want to blame him?

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I blame Bush & Co. Nation Building is for countries that had a nation before we started dropping bombs on them.

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Bush & Co didn't really have true nation building desires in Afghanistan. That's comedic.

4th and Inches said:

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Huge issue during Obama administration, not so much an issue during the Trump administration, becoming a huge issue again in the Biden administration. I may be reaching here but I think there is a common thread..

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Biden did what Trump promised and planned to do. Given a second term, this would be Trump giving the same orders.

At some point, we had to leave. Never should have been there. The main thing we are doing wrong is ignoring our promises to get the Afghans who helped us out. Many were told a decade ago they and their families would get out. Some of them are being tortured and killed now. It is certainly a heartbreaking mess, but you can't convince me it would be better if we stayed.

Hard to build a nation when there has never been a nation to build. Only reason many "govt" forces fought with US was because we paid them to. We like to think of nations with boundaries. What we have here are distinct tribes. Boundaries are a myth.

One last thing - the fact that the Taliban are not banned from Twitter tells you all you need to know about how messed up big tech is.

One of the central premises of Trump's supposed greatness was removing America from never ending wars. Yet when Biden completes the removal of America from a never ending war, the negative consequences are a sign of Biden's ineptitude.

One cannot find a better illustration of blind partisanship.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we effed up the end game." Charlie Wilson's War. Amazing how history repeats itself.

The obvious looming outcome of the current Afghan regime cannot offset the deterrence of our involvement in Afghanistan provided. No sane ruler could possibly think it is a good business model to openly allow terrorist groups to use their soil to plan, train, and launch attacks against the USA. We demonstrated that we can easily and for a sustained period of time render that ruler unable to continue his/her business model.

The biggest critique I have is that we did not announce our withdrawal the day after we killed Bin Ladin. The deterrence his death afforded was an exclamation point on US power. "Mess with us and we will chase you from your office, onto the streets, across the countryside, up the mountains, in the caves, down they valleys, over the plains, into the cities, thru your neighborhood, to breach your front door, climb your stairs and fill you with a thousand ounces of of copper jacketed lead, in your bedroom, in front of your wives and children. Don't tread on us! " What we did to the Taliban regime and Bin Ladin was the kind of total war it takes to make people think better of messing with the USA. Not even one wealthy man amid a sea of grassroots supporters can escape reckoning with our terrible swift sword. Trying to stay and nation build only obfuscated that.

We have the best military humanity has ever seen.
We really suck at nation building.
The lessons for future policy should be obvious.

cms186 said:

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fadskier said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Taliban is reasserting control. 20 years and 2,500 American deaths.

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Thanks to Biden.

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Trump is the guy who okayed the withdrawal of any remaining US forces in Afghanistan, but i guess you dont want to blame him?

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We don't know he would have done it. and you people blame him for everything, including misquoting him etc and give Biden a pass on when he lies and screws up ...I don't see one post on here blaming Biden for all the covid deaths since he took office but it was a regular thing with Trump.

Booray said:

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One of the central premises of Trump's supposed greatness was removing America from never ending wars. Yet when Biden completes the removal of America from a never ending war, the negative consequences are a sign of Biden's ineptitude.

One cannot find a better illustration of blind partisanship.

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Blind partisanship, anyone?

https://thefederalist.com/2021/04/15/media-cheer-biden-withdrawal-from-afghanistan-after-raising-panic-under-trump/

Media Cheer Biden Withdrawal From Afghanistan After Raising Panic Under Trump
Tristan Justice
Corporate media cheered President Joe Biden's Wednesday announcement of withdrawing remaining U.S. forces in Afghanistan by Sept. 11 this year after the same outlets raised hysteria when President Donald Trump pursued the same policy. The former Republican president announced drawdowns of U.S. troops in 2019 and 2020. He was attacked not only by corporate media but also deliberately undermined and lied to by high-ranking federal personnel.

As outlined in a lengthy Twitter thread by Republican public affairs consultant Drew Holden, legacy outlets met Biden's announcement with a sharp contrast in tone to the hysterical coverage that greeted Trump's same pursuits just months ago.

CNN highlighted testimony from foreign policy professionals opposed to the troop withdrawal while Trump was still president, amplifying those who said the decision to pull down forces in Afghanistan "reckless." For Biden, on the other hand, CNN showed him being praised by former President Barack Obama for "bold leadership."

The New York Times engaged in a similar double-standard, offering "news analysis" of Trump's announcements to pull out of Afghanistan that said it was playing into terrorists' hands. Biden was merely quoted as justifying his decision.

Time Magazine, which refused to call Iranian terrorist Qasem Soleimani a terrorist in January of last year, was no different.

"Can Donald Trump accept defeat in Afghanistan?" the publication questioned under Trump on the premise removal was concession while quoting comedian-journalist Trevor Noah, who compared the strategy to German dictator Adolf Hitler's. Biden on the other hand, enjoyed free advertising.

Over at MSNBC, it's the same story. By withdrawing from Afghanistan after nearly two decades, Trump was engaged in dangerous behavior. Biden, however, is making "the right call."

The Washington Post, which infamously eulogized an ISIS terrorist as an "austere religious leader" in its 2019 obituary, predictably followed suit, highlighting warnings from the Pentagon with Trump's announcement and celebrating Biden when he made the same call.

"Trump administration to cut troop levels in Afghanistan despite Pentagon warnings," the Trump-resistance paper wrote in November.

But under Biden, the paper celebrated that "America's longest war may soon be coming to an end."

NPR also hyped fears among "military leaders" under Trump's decision without the same framing applied to Biden's in the lede.

There is no shortage of blatant double-standards of corporate coverage under the Biden administration White House to the immediate predecessor, even less than six months into the new administration. That's so whether it's the coverage of familial scandal to the sex of the White House communications team to the erosion of norms through the unusual termination of career bureaucrats.

In February, news broke that attorneys at the Justice Department appointed by the previous administration were asked to resign by the Biden administration. When Trump did the same thing in 2017, legacy outlets hysterically charged the president with sparking needless controversy.

J.B.Katz said:

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fadskier said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Taliban is reasserting control. 20 years and 2,500 American deaths.

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Thanks to Biden.

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Don't blame this on Biden.

He didn't create the Taliban and no amount of American presence / influence / schooling / policing was going to control the Taliban w/ Pakistan right next door pumping money into the Taliban, hiding thugs like Bin Laden and supporting the rapes of boys and the murder of girls for gonig to school.

Afghans will either rise up and fight the Taliban effectively or they will succomb/surrender to it.

All our presence there did was delay the inevitable. We were trying to stop a volcano from erupting. That's impossible.

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Nah, I'll blame Biden.

Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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One of the central premises of Trump's supposed greatness was removing America from never ending wars. Yet when Biden completes the removal of America from a never ending war, the negative consequences are a sign of Biden's ineptitude.

One cannot find a better illustration of blind partisanship.

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It doesn't make sense that policing the region for over 20 years with trillions of dollars and lots of dead soldiers has lead us to a situation where the Taliban is able to quickly organize, position, and execute a nation wide offense under the radar of military intelligence.

We need to stay out of the region because we clearly can't do our job.

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No one can. You can't force democracy onto people who don't want it. All of these Middle East wars/occupations have been futile efforts because we've yet to acknowledge that these are distinct cultures with different values than our own. So all we've really done is created animosity from the natives for trying to force our values onto them militarily.

bear2be2 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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One of the central premises of Trump's supposed greatness was removing America from never ending wars. Yet when Biden completes the removal of America from a never ending war, the negative consequences are a sign of Biden's ineptitude.

One cannot find a better illustration of blind partisanship.

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It doesn't make sense that policing the region for over 20 years with trillions of dollars and lots of dead soldiers has lead us to a situation where the Taliban is able to quickly organize, position, and execute a nation wide offense under the radar of military intelligence.

We need to stay out of the region because we clearly can't do our job.

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No one can. You can't force democracy onto people who don't want it. All of these Middle East wars/occupations have been futile efforts because we've yet to acknowledge that these are distinct cultures with different values than our own. So all we've really done is created animosity from the natives for trying to force our values onto them militarily.

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Sounds similar to our treatment of the Native Americans

4th and Inches said:

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JXL said:

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Booray said:

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One of the central premises of Trump's supposed greatness was removing America from never ending wars. Yet when Biden completes the removal of America from a never ending war, the negative consequences are a sign of Biden's ineptitude.

One cannot find a better illustration of blind partisanship.

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Blind partisanship, anyone?

https://thefederalist.com/2021/04/15/media-cheer-biden-withdrawal-from-afghanistan-after-raising-panic-under-trump/

Media Cheer Biden Withdrawal From Afghanistan After Raising Panic Under Trump
Tristan Justice
Corporate media cheered President Joe Biden's Wednesday announcement of withdrawing remaining U.S. forces in Afghanistan by Sept. 11 this year after the same outlets raised hysteria when President Donald Trump pursued the same policy. The former Republican president announced drawdowns of U.S. troops in 2019 and 2020. He was attacked not only by corporate media but also deliberately undermined and lied to by high-ranking federal personnel.

As outlined in a lengthy Twitter thread by Republican public affairs consultant Drew Holden, legacy outlets met Biden's announcement with a sharp contrast in tone to the hysterical coverage that greeted Trump's same pursuits just months ago.

CNN highlighted testimony from foreign policy professionals opposed to the troop withdrawal while Trump was still president, amplifying those who said the decision to pull down forces in Afghanistan "reckless." For Biden, on the other hand, CNN showed him being praised by former President Barack Obama for "bold leadership."

The New York Times engaged in a similar double-standard, offering "news analysis" of Trump's announcements to pull out of Afghanistan that said it was playing into terrorists' hands. Biden was merely quoted as justifying his decision.

Time Magazine, which refused to call Iranian terrorist Qasem Soleimani a terrorist in January of last year, was no different.

"Can Donald Trump accept defeat in Afghanistan?" the publication questioned under Trump on the premise removal was concession while quoting comedian-journalist Trevor Noah, who compared the strategy to German dictator Adolf Hitler's. Biden on the other hand, enjoyed free advertising.

Over at MSNBC, it's the same story. By withdrawing from Afghanistan after nearly two decades, Trump was engaged in dangerous behavior. Biden, however, is making "the right call."

The Washington Post, which infamously eulogized an ISIS terrorist as an "austere religious leader" in its 2019 obituary, predictably followed suit, highlighting warnings from the Pentagon with Trump's announcement and celebrating Biden when he made the same call.

"Trump administration to cut troop levels in Afghanistan despite Pentagon warnings," the Trump-resistance paper wrote in November.

But under Biden, the paper celebrated that "America's longest war may soon be coming to an end."

NPR also hyped fears among "military leaders" under Trump's decision without the same framing applied to Biden's in the lede.

There is no shortage of blatant double-standards of corporate coverage under the Biden administration White House to the immediate predecessor, even less than six months into the new administration. That's so whether it's the coverage of familial scandal to the sex of the White House communications team to the erosion of norms through the unusual termination of career bureaucrats.

In February, news broke that attorneys at the Justice Department appointed by the previous administration were asked to resign by the Biden administration. When Trump did the same thing in 2017, legacy outlets hysterically charged the president with sparking needless controversy.

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Don't you just love a good media double standard, I know I do

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If cherry picking data is one's thing and not noting the OAN, Newmax, and Fox's double standard, too then "Yes, one loves a media double standard."

Can't blame this on any one person, we can't stay there forever. It was time to leave. Probably shouldn't have ever been there.

fadskier said:

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cms186 said:

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fadskier said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Taliban is reasserting control. 20 years and 2,500 American deaths.

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Thanks to Biden.

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Trump is the guy who okayed the withdrawal of any remaining US forces in Afghanistan, but i guess you dont want to blame him?

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We don't know he would have done it. and you people blame him for everything, including misquoting him etc and give Biden a pass on when he lies and screws up ...I don't see one post on here blaming Biden for all the covid deaths since he took office but it was a regular thing with Trump.

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I'm not going to play the whataboutism game. Trump made a promise to withdraw from Afghanistan. He was in the process of withdrawing when he left office. This was going to happen regardless who was president.

Sucks to have wasted so many lives for a senseless cause. But if a country we've propped up and trained for 20 years collapses again a month after we leave, it is not a place we need to be. I hope that corner of the world figured it out someday. But even the 40 years of war with the Soviets and us couldn't change anything.

Waco1947 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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JXL said:

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Booray said:

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One of the central premises of Trump's supposed greatness was removing America from never ending wars. Yet when Biden completes the removal of America from a never ending war, the negative consequences are a sign of Biden's ineptitude.

One cannot find a better illustration of blind partisanship.

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Blind partisanship, anyone?

https://thefederalist.com/2021/04/15/media-cheer-biden-withdrawal-from-afghanistan-after-raising-panic-under-trump/

Media Cheer Biden Withdrawal From Afghanistan After Raising Panic Under Trump
Tristan Justice
Corporate media cheered President Joe Biden's Wednesday announcement of withdrawing remaining U.S. forces in Afghanistan by Sept. 11 this year after the same outlets raised hysteria when President Donald Trump pursued the same policy. The former Republican president announced drawdowns of U.S. troops in 2019 and 2020. He was attacked not only by corporate media but also deliberately undermined and lied to by high-ranking federal personnel.

As outlined in a lengthy Twitter thread by Republican public affairs consultant Drew Holden, legacy outlets met Biden's announcement with a sharp contrast in tone to the hysterical coverage that greeted Trump's same pursuits just months ago.

CNN highlighted testimony from foreign policy professionals opposed to the troop withdrawal while Trump was still president, amplifying those who said the decision to pull down forces in Afghanistan "reckless." For Biden, on the other hand, CNN showed him being praised by former President Barack Obama for "bold leadership."

The New York Times engaged in a similar double-standard, offering "news analysis" of Trump's announcements to pull out of Afghanistan that said it was playing into terrorists' hands. Biden was merely quoted as justifying his decision.

Time Magazine, which refused to call Iranian terrorist Qasem Soleimani a terrorist in January of last year, was no different.

"Can Donald Trump accept defeat in Afghanistan?" the publication questioned under Trump on the premise removal was concession while quoting comedian-journalist Trevor Noah, who compared the strategy to German dictator Adolf Hitler's. Biden on the other hand, enjoyed free advertising.

Over at MSNBC, it's the same story. By withdrawing from Afghanistan after nearly two decades, Trump was engaged in dangerous behavior. Biden, however, is making "the right call."

The Washington Post, which infamously eulogized an ISIS terrorist as an "austere religious leader" in its 2019 obituary, predictably followed suit, highlighting warnings from the Pentagon with Trump's announcement and celebrating Biden when he made the same call.

"Trump administration to cut troop levels in Afghanistan despite Pentagon warnings," the Trump-resistance paper wrote in November.

But under Biden, the paper celebrated that "America's longest war may soon be coming to an end."

NPR also hyped fears among "military leaders" under Trump's decision without the same framing applied to Biden's in the lede.

There is no shortage of blatant double-standards of corporate coverage under the Biden administration White House to the immediate predecessor, even less than six months into the new administration. That's so whether it's the coverage of familial scandal to the sex of the White House communications team to the erosion of norms through the unusual termination of career bureaucrats.

In February, news broke that attorneys at the Justice Department appointed by the previous administration were asked to resign by the Biden administration. When Trump did the same thing in 2017, legacy outlets hysterically charged the president with sparking needless controversy.

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Don't you just love a good media double standard, I know I do

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If cherry picking data is one's thing and not noting the OAN, Newmax, and Fox's double standard, too then "Yes, one loves a media double standard."

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Do you have the same regard for the Washington Post and the NY Times as you do for Fox and Newsmax?

The Pentagon spent $88 billion dollars training the Afghan Army for 20 years

It collapsed in 1 month

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 12, 2021

Waco1947 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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JXL said:

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Booray said:

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One of the central premises of Trump's supposed greatness was removing America from never ending wars. Yet when Biden completes the removal of America from a never ending war, the negative consequences are a sign of Biden's ineptitude.

One cannot find a better illustration of blind partisanship.

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Blind partisanship, anyone?

https://thefederalist.com/2021/04/15/media-cheer-biden-withdrawal-from-afghanistan-after-raising-panic-under-trump/

Media Cheer Biden Withdrawal From Afghanistan After Raising Panic Under Trump
Tristan Justice
Corporate media cheered President Joe Biden's Wednesday announcement of withdrawing remaining U.S. forces in Afghanistan by Sept. 11 this year after the same outlets raised hysteria when President Donald Trump pursued the same policy. The former Republican president announced drawdowns of U.S. troops in 2019 and 2020. He was attacked not only by corporate media but also deliberately undermined and lied to by high-ranking federal personnel.

As outlined in a lengthy Twitter thread by Republican public affairs consultant Drew Holden, legacy outlets met Biden's announcement with a sharp contrast in tone to the hysterical coverage that greeted Trump's same pursuits just months ago.

CNN highlighted testimony from foreign policy professionals opposed to the troop withdrawal while Trump was still president, amplifying those who said the decision to pull down forces in Afghanistan "reckless." For Biden, on the other hand, CNN showed him being praised by former President Barack Obama for "bold leadership."

The New York Times engaged in a similar double-standard, offering "news analysis" of Trump's announcements to pull out of Afghanistan that said it was playing into terrorists' hands. Biden was merely quoted as justifying his decision.

Time Magazine, which refused to call Iranian terrorist Qasem Soleimani a terrorist in January of last year, was no different.

"Can Donald Trump accept defeat in Afghanistan?" the publication questioned under Trump on the premise removal was concession while quoting comedian-journalist Trevor Noah, who compared the strategy to German dictator Adolf Hitler's. Biden on the other hand, enjoyed free advertising.

Over at MSNBC, it's the same story. By withdrawing from Afghanistan after nearly two decades, Trump was engaged in dangerous behavior. Biden, however, is making "the right call."

The Washington Post, which infamously eulogized an ISIS terrorist as an "austere religious leader" in its 2019 obituary, predictably followed suit, highlighting warnings from the Pentagon with Trump's announcement and celebrating Biden when he made the same call.

"Trump administration to cut troop levels in Afghanistan despite Pentagon warnings," the Trump-resistance paper wrote in November.

But under Biden, the paper celebrated that "America's longest war may soon be coming to an end."

NPR also hyped fears among "military leaders" under Trump's decision without the same framing applied to Biden's in the lede.

There is no shortage of blatant double-standards of corporate coverage under the Biden administration White House to the immediate predecessor, even less than six months into the new administration. That's so whether it's the coverage of familial scandal to the sex of the White House communications team to the erosion of norms through the unusual termination of career bureaucrats.

In February, news broke that attorneys at the Justice Department appointed by the previous administration were asked to resign by the Biden administration. When Trump did the same thing in 2017, legacy outlets hysterically charged the president with sparking needless controversy.

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Don't you just love a good media double standard, I know I do

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If cherry picking data is one's thing and not noting the OAN, Newmax, and Fox's double standard, too then "Yes, one loves a media double standard."

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. I wouldnt know about those, i dont watch them.. are they played in many airports?

Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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One of the central premises of Trump's supposed greatness was removing America from never ending wars. Yet when Biden completes the removal of America from a never ending war, the negative consequences are a sign of Biden's ineptitude.

One cannot find a better illustration of blind partisanship.

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It doesn't make sense that policing the region for over 20 years with trillions of dollars and lots of dead soldiers has lead us to a situation where the Taliban is able to quickly organize, position, and execute a nation wide offense under the radar of military intelligence.

We need to stay out of the region because we clearly can't do our job.

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One could argue that destabilizing the Middle East is the exact job the US has given itself. We have toppled everything from democracies to terrorist held regions. We destroy everything when we enter. We've taken countries willfully Westernizing themselves, and given them good reason to hate us and devolve into religious zealotry.

I agree we should stay out. Trump's avoidance of war with Iran was his best quality, even if generals did have to talk him out of it more than once. Hoping Biden can avoid new wars too.

The importance of our normal political disagreements pales in comparison to starting wars.