Porteroso said:

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whiterock said:

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Porteroso said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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It's really simple guys.

Democrats want you to believe it was in insurrection so they can associate all of your ideas of policy and conservatism as evil and unjust.

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People who can read a dictionary know it was an insurrection, and it matters because this needs to be a 1 time thing, not every 4 years. We need to be capable of accepting peaceful transfer of power. This insurrection was pathetic but the next doesn't have to be.

Imagine encouraging this under the veil of "it wasn't so bad guys just a tour and some selfies."

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no one who has read a book on the subject, or has been formally trained on the subject (as have I) would attempt to make the laughable case that J6 was an insurrection. It meets not a single element, fails at every step of the analytical ladder.

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Is it books you have read or the dictionary that defines insurrection? It is simple enough to analyze.

Were government buildings breached in a clear effort to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power? Yes

How do we know that was the intent? They said so and blasted it on twitter to the world

Had they been successful, what would have the result been? The end of democracy

It's just so easy to use the ole noggin a bit. Try it!

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

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guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

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You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.

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Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

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Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

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Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

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they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

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Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

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how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

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Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

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Incompetent bank robbers aren't guilty of trying to topple the financial system, even if the bank was the Federal Reserve.

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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So Sam says that all BLM members want to fry cops like bacon because it was the stated intent by some of them. Got it.

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I would say that Democrats who carry water for BLM rioters have brought well deserved criticism on themselves and their party.

An outrageous idea, I know. I'm sure no one here would agree with it.

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Nope. ALL democrats are a guilty if one member is a member of BLM, since we now agree BLM is a violent terrorist organization out to fry humans alive. Isn't that how that thinking goes? It was an insurrection because a couple people said some stuff?

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Porteroso said:

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whiterock said:

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Porteroso said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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It's really simple guys.

Democrats want you to believe it was in insurrection so they can associate all of your ideas of policy and conservatism as evil and unjust.

---

People who can read a dictionary know it was an insurrection, and it matters because this needs to be a 1 time thing, not every 4 years. We need to be capable of accepting peaceful transfer of power. This insurrection was pathetic but the next doesn't have to be.

Imagine encouraging this under the veil of "it wasn't so bad guys just a tour and some selfies."

---

no one who has read a book on the subject, or has been formally trained on the subject (as have I) would attempt to make the laughable case that J6 was an insurrection. It meets not a single element, fails at every step of the analytical ladder.

---

Is it books you have read or the dictionary that defines insurrection? It is simple enough to analyze.

Were government buildings breached in a clear effort to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power? Yes

How do we know that was the intent? They said so and blasted it on twitter to the world

Had they been successful, what would have the result been? The end of democracy

It's just so easy to use the ole noggin a bit. Try it!

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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So Sam says that all BLM members want to fry cops like bacon because it was the stated intent by some of them. Got it.

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I would say that Democrats who carry water for BLM rioters have brought well deserved criticism on themselves and their party.

An outrageous idea, I know. I'm sure no one here would agree with it.

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Nope. ALL democrats are a guilty if one member is a member of BLM, since we now agree BLM is a violent terrorist organization out to fry humans alive. Isn't that how that thinking goes? It was an insurrection because a couple people said some stuff?

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Loon

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Osodecentx said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

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guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

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You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.

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Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

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Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

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Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

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they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

---

Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

---

how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

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Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

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Incompetent bank robbers aren't guilty of trying to topple the financial system, even if the bank was the Federal Reserve.

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True and irrelevant

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

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guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

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You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.

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Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

---

Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

---

Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

---

they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

---

Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

---

how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

---

Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

---

Incompetent bank robbers aren't guilty of trying to topple the financial system, even if the bank was the Federal Reserve.

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True and irrelevant

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Playing fast and loose with what an insurrection actually is, and the type you are projecting on Jan. 6, it is a similar parallel, so very relevant. People on here are claiming government overthrow and end of democracy. There is a difference between disrupting something and stopping something.

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Osodecentx said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

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guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

---

You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.

---

Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

---

Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

---

Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

---

they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

---

Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

---

how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

---

Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

---

Incompetent bank robbers aren't guilty of trying to topple the financial system, even if the bank was the Federal Reserve.

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True and irrelevant

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Playing fast and loose with what an insurrection actually is, and the type you are projecting on Jan. 6, it is a similar parallel, so very relevant. People on here are claiming government overthrow and end of democracy. There is a difference between disrupting something and stopping something.

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I'm saying "attempted" overthrow. That's what it was. That's why some Proud Boys are in prison

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

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guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

---

You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.

---

Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

---

Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

---

Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

---

they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

---

Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

---

how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

---

Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

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guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

---

You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.

---

Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

---

Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

---

Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

---

they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

---

Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

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how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

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Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

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Incompetent bank robbers aren't guilty of trying to topple the financial system, even if the bank was the Federal Reserve.

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True and irrelevant

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Playing fast and loose with what an insurrection actually is, and the type you are projecting on Jan. 6, it is a similar parallel, so very relevant. People on here are claiming government overthrow and end of democracy. There is a difference between disrupting something and stopping something.

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I'm saying "attempted" overthrow. That's what it was. That's why some Proud Boys are in prison

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You don't and can't overthrow the US government by disrupting a procedure. You can't even alter the results with a disruption. They even voluntarily left. That's how "attempted" their overthrow effort was. In fact, the success or failure of the election certifying procedure isn't even germane to overthrowing the government.

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

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guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

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You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.

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Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

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Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

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Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

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they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

---

Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

---

how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

---

Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

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guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

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You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.

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Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

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Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

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Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

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they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

---

Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

---

how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened.

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It doesn't matter.

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To be an insurrection it did.

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

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guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

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You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.

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Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

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Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

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Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

---

they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

---

Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

---

how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

---

Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

---

Incompetent bank robbers aren't guilty of trying to topple the financial system, even if the bank was the Federal Reserve.

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

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guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

---

You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.

---

Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

---

Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

---

Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

---

they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

---

Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

---

how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

---

Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

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guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

---

You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.

---

Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

---

Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

---

Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

---

they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

---

Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

---

how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

---

Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

---

Incompetent bank robbers aren't guilty of trying to topple the financial system, even if the bank was the Federal Reserve.

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Oso's hypothetical is about the nature of an attempt. Your response is about the nature of what's being attempted. You're refuting WR's point instead of Oso's.

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

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guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

---

You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.

---

Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

---

Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

---

Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

---

they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

---

Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

---

how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

---

Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

---

Incompetent bank robbers aren't guilty of trying to topple the financial system, even if the bank was the Federal Reserve.

---

Oso's hypothetical is about the nature of an attempt. Your response is about the nature of what's being attempted. You're refuting WR's point instead of Oso's.

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Oso said nothing hypothetical. He said they attempted to overthrow the government.

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

---

guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

---

You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.

---

Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

---

Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

---

Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

---

they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

---

Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

---

how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

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Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

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Incompetent bank robbers aren't guilty of trying to topple the financial system, even if the bank was the Federal Reserve.

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Oso's hypothetical is about the nature of an attempt. Your response is about the nature of what's being attempted. You're refuting WR's point instead of Oso's.

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Oso said nothing hypothetical. He said they attempted to overthrow the government.

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whiterock said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

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guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

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You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.

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Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

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Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

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Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

---

they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

---

Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

---

how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

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Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

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Incompetent bank robbers aren't guilty of trying to topple the financial system, even if the bank was the Federal Reserve.

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True and irrelevant

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Playing fast and loose with what an insurrection actually is, and the type you are projecting on Jan. 6, it is a similar parallel, so very relevant. People on here are claiming government overthrow and end of democracy. There is a difference between disrupting something and stopping something.

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Sage point. If J6 stands as a textbook example of insurrection, we're gonna have a lot of fun the next time Democrats disrupt a SCOTUS hearing.

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

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guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

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You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.

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Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

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Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

---

Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

---

they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

---

Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

---

how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

---

Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

---

Incompetent bank robbers aren't guilty of trying to topple the financial system, even if the bank was the Federal Reserve.

---

Oso's hypothetical is about the nature of an attempt. Your response is about the nature of what's being attempted. You're refuting WR's point instead of Oso's.

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Oso said nothing hypothetical. He said they attempted to overthrow the government.

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The bank robbery hypo.

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4th and Inches said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

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guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

---

You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.

---

Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

---

Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

---

Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

---

they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

---

Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

---

how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

---

Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

---

Incompetent bank robbers aren't guilty of trying to topple the financial system, even if the bank was the Federal Reserve.

---

Oso's hypothetical is about the nature of an attempt. Your response is about the nature of what's being attempted. You're refuting WR's point instead of Oso's.

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Oso said nothing hypothetical. He said they attempted to overthrow the government.

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lol.. they

The 2 currently found guilty of seditious conspiracy? Those are the only ones close to an attempt to overthrow the govt.

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

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guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

---

You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.

---

Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

---

Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

---

Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

---

they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

---

Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

---

how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

---

Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

---

Incompetent bank robbers aren't guilty of trying to topple the financial system, even if the bank was the Federal Reserve.

---

Oso's hypothetical is about the nature of an attempt. Your response is about the nature of what's being attempted. You're refuting WR's point instead of Oso's.

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Oso said nothing hypothetical. He said they attempted to overthrow the government.

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The bank robbery hypo.

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The bank robbery hypo doesn't work.

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GrowlTowel said:

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Porteroso said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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It's really simple guys.

Democrats want you to believe it was in insurrection so they can associate all of your ideas of policy and conservatism as evil and unjust.

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People who can read a dictionary know it was an insurrection, and it matters because this needs to be a 1 time thing, not every 4 years. We need to be capable of accepting peaceful transfer of power. This insurrection was pathetic but the next doesn't have to be.

Imagine encouraging this under the veil of "it wasn't so bad guys just a tour and some selfies."

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Please. If all it took was a dictionary then the Jan 6 committee would not have needed to hire a television producer to assemble the "evidence".

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

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guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

---

You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers….officers opened doorways for him…..etc.

---

Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

---

Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

---

Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

---

they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians….they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

---

Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

---

how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

---

Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

---

Incompetent bank robbers aren't guilty of trying to topple the financial system, even if the bank was the Federal Reserve.

---

Oso's hypothetical is about the nature of an attempt. Your response is about the nature of what's being attempted. You're refuting WR's point instead of Oso's.

---

Oso said nothing hypothetical. He said they attempted to overthrow the government.

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The bank robbery hypo.

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The bank robbery hypo doesn't work.

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It illustrates the concept of criminal attempt.

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

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guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

---

You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers%85.officers opened doorways for him%85..etc.

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Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

---

Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

---

Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

---

they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians%85.they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

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Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

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how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

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Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

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Incompetent bank robbers aren't guilty of trying to topple the financial system, even if the bank was the Federal Reserve.

---

Oso's hypothetical is about the nature of an attempt. Your response is about the nature of what's being attempted. You're refuting WR's point instead of Oso's.

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Oso said nothing hypothetical. He said they attempted to overthrow the government.

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The bank robbery hypo.

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The bank robbery hypo doesn't work.

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It illustrates the concept of criminal attempt.

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No one is arguing Jan 6 wasn't criminal.

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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Quote:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

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guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

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You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers%85.officers opened doorways for him%85..etc.

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Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

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Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

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Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

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they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians%85.they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

---

Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

---

how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

---

Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

---

Incompetent bank robbers aren't guilty of trying to topple the financial system, even if the bank was the Federal Reserve.

---

Oso's hypothetical is about the nature of an attempt. Your response is about the nature of what's being attempted. You're refuting WR's point instead of Oso's.

---

Oso said nothing hypothetical. He said they attempted to overthrow the government.

---

The bank robbery hypo.

---

The bank robbery hypo doesn't work.

---

It illustrates the concept of criminal attempt.

---

No one is arguing Jan 6 wasn't criminal.

---

No, you're arguing that it was only trespassing, disorderly conduct, etc. because those were the only crimes that were successfully committed. The point is that, like an attempted bank robbery, an attempted overthrow of the government is more than just trespassing.

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Sam Lowry said:

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No, you're arguing that it was only trespassing, disorderly conduct, etc. because those were the only crimes that were successfully committed. The point is that, like an attempted bank robbery, an attempted overthrow of the government is more than just trespassing.

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

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guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

---

You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers%85.officers opened doorways for him%85..etc.

---

Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

---

Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

---

Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

---

they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians%85.they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

---

Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

---

how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

---

Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

---

Incompetent bank robbers aren't guilty of trying to topple the financial system, even if the bank was the Federal Reserve.

---

Oso's hypothetical is about the nature of an attempt. Your response is about the nature of what's being attempted. You're refuting WR's point instead of Oso's.

---

Oso said nothing hypothetical. He said they attempted to overthrow the government.

---

The bank robbery hypo.

---

The bank robbery hypo doesn't work.

---

It illustrates the concept of criminal attempt.

---

No one is arguing Jan 6 wasn't criminal.

---

No, you're arguing that it was only trespassing, disorderly conduct, etc. because those were the only crimes that were successfully committed. The point is that, like an attempted bank robbery, an attempted overthrow of the government is more than just trespassing.

---

talking about robbing a bank and then standing in front of a bank is not attempted bank robbery.

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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No, you're arguing that it was only trespassing, disorderly conduct, etc. because those were the only crimes that were successfully committed. The point is that, like an attempted bank robbery, an attempted overthrow of the government is more than just trespassing.

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You're thinking of someone else. I'm arguing that attempting to rob a bank doesn't mean you are attempting to bring down the financial system, or even the bank, despite the fact that a loss of money is required for either of those to occur.

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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No, you're arguing that it was only trespassing, disorderly conduct, etc. because those were the only crimes that were successfully committed. The point is that, like an attempted bank robbery, an attempted overthrow of the government is more than just trespassing.

---

You're thinking of someone else. I'm arguing that attempting to rob a bank doesn't mean you are attempting to bring down the financial system, or even the bank, despite the fact that a loss of money is required for either of those to occur.

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Okay, forget the robbery. Incompetent people who attempt to bring down the financial system, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempting to bring down the financial system. Incompetent people who attempt to overthrow the government, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempting to overthrow the government. That's what happened in this case. The purpose was to stop the transfer of power, not just disrupt it.

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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No, you're arguing that it was only trespassing, disorderly conduct, etc. because those were the only crimes that were successfully committed. The point is that, like an attempted bank robbery, an attempted overthrow of the government is more than just trespassing.

---

You're thinking of someone else. I'm arguing that attempting to rob a bank doesn't mean you are attempting to bring down the financial system, or even the bank, despite the fact that a loss of money is required for either of those to occur.

---

Okay, forget the robbery. Incompetent people who attempt to bring down the financial system, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempting to bring down the financial system. Incompetent people who attempt to overthrow the government, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempting to overthrow the government. That's what happened in this case. The purpose was to stop the transfer of power, not just disrupt it.

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And no, they didn't do anything to stop the transfer of power.

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

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guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

---

You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers%85.officers opened doorways for him%85..etc.

---

Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

---

Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

---

Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

---

they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians%85.they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

---

Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

---

how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

---

Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

---

Incompetent bank robbers aren't guilty of trying to topple the financial system, even if the bank was the Federal Reserve.

---

Oso's hypothetical is about the nature of an attempt. Your response is about the nature of what's being attempted. You're refuting WR's point instead of Oso's.

---

Oso said nothing hypothetical. He said they attempted to overthrow the government.

---

The bank robbery hypo.

---

The bank robbery hypo doesn't work.

---

It illustrates the concept of criminal attempt.

---

No one is arguing Jan 6 wasn't criminal.

---

No, you're arguing that it was only trespassing, disorderly conduct, etc. because those were the only crimes that were successfully committed. The point is that, like an attempted bank robbery, an attempted overthrow of the government is more than just trespassing.

---

talking about robbing a bank and then standing in front of a bank is not attempted bank robbery.

---

There have been convictions for seditious conspiracy

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

ATL Bear said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

ATL Bear said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

No, you're arguing that it was only trespassing, disorderly conduct, etc. because those were the only crimes that were successfully committed. The point is that, like an attempted bank robbery, an attempted overthrow of the government is more than just trespassing.

---

You're thinking of someone else. I'm arguing that attempting to rob a bank doesn't mean you are attempting to bring down the financial system, or even the bank, despite the fact that a loss of money is required for either of those to occur.

---

Okay, forget the robbery. Incompetent people who attempt to bring down the financial system, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempting to bring down the financial system. Incompetent people who attempt to overthrow the government, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempting to overthrow the government. That's what happened in this case. The purpose was to stop the transfer of power, not just disrupt it.

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And no, they didn't do anything to stop the transfer of power.

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The law disagrees, as do many of the defendants themselves.

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

---

Sam Lowry said:

---

ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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J.R. said:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Quote:

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So being escorted around on a guided tour is a crime and inciting a riot isn't?

Got it.

---

guided tour.???? are you freaking nuts? Have you not seen the video? Dude, you are insufferable and brainwashed.

---

You must not have seen the video, JR. The Shaman was most definitely escorted around by multiple officers%85.officers opened doorways for him%85..etc.

---

Step away from the Shaman's shrooms and peyote! It is bad for you! clouds your brain!

---

Like I said, you are talking about a video you obviously did not see. The officers are on tape, for minutes helping him get where he wanted to go.....checking doors, taking him to alternative entrances to circumvent locked doors, actually holding the doors open for him to walk thru. Doesn't make what the shaman did legal, but does vaporize the idea that there was an insurrection going on.

The insurrection narrative is dead as a doornail, JR. You can keep sputtering about it if it makes you feel better, but it it's documented crackpottery at this point.

---

Yet the insurrectionists keep going to prison.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election
Jeremy Bertino, 43, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to seditious conspiracy in connection with the Capitol breach.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-leader-proud-boys-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-efforts-stop-transfer-power

Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
The defendants include Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

Proud Boys leader pleads guilty in insurrection case
Charles Donohoe of N Carolina

Jan. 6 Proud Boy rioter who approached Chuck Schumer sentenced to 4.5 years
Joshua Pruitt, The Washington Post reported, said at sentencing that he regretted participating in the insurrection.

---

they are going to jail for seditious conspiracy to commit insurection. There was no active attempt to gain control of the govt, only a plan..

They deserve jail for going as far as they did in the plan but it was still just a plan with no real action on the plan inside the capital building.

---

Yes the insurrection was pathetic with no real chance of lasting success. However it was a threat to the lives of Congress members and the Capitol police.

No real American wants democracy ended and a dictator installed, but had the insurrectionists somehow succeeded, thats what would have happened.

There are still morons here claiming the election was stolen. The zealots gonna zealot.

---

Again,

If even a few protestors that day had wanted to kill police or politicians%85.they could have brought semi-automatic weapons to the Capitol and have done it.

But they didn't.

---

Why is it that they needed to kill someone? They thought they could accomplish their goals without guns, most of them. If they had thrown out the will of the people, the certified vote, what would it matter if they used words or guns?

---

how could they have accomplished their goals? How could they have thrown out the will of the people?

Genuine question, I would like to know your thoughts on how they could've possibly succeeded at doing anything other than cause the delay that happened. The protest caused a delay just like the environmentalist who chain themselves to a tree getting bulldozed. Nothing more.

---

Incompetent people who attempt to rob a bank, even if they had no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted bank robbery.

Incompetent people who attempt insurrection, even if they have no real prospect of succeeding, are guilty of attempted insurrection.

---

Incompetent bank robbers aren't guilty of trying to topple the financial system, even if the bank was the Federal Reserve.

---

Oso's hypothetical is about the nature of an attempt. Your response is about the nature of what's being attempted. You're refuting WR's point instead of Oso's.

---

Oso said nothing hypothetical. He said they attempted to overthrow the government.

---

The bank robbery hypo.

---

The bank robbery hypo doesn't work.

---

It illustrates the concept of criminal attempt.

---

No one is arguing Jan 6 wasn't criminal.

---

No, you're arguing that it was only trespassing, disorderly conduct, etc. because those were the only crimes that were successfully committed. The point is that, like an attempted bank robbery, an attempted overthrow of the government is more than just trespassing.

---

talking about robbing a bank and then standing in front of a bank is not attempted bank robbery.

---

There have been convictions for seditious conspiracy

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all 2 of them! conspiracy means talking and planning, not doing..

You are always good for a laugh

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