Reporter: "Why won't you visit the border?"
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Illegals in Martha's Vineyard
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Matlock reruns aren't going to be on forever.Cobretti said:Reporter: "Why won't you visit the border?"
— Daily Wire (@realDailyWire) December 6, 2022
Biden: "There's more important things going on."pic.twitter.com/qzv7u8MNqZ
That guy is a true dumbass.Cobretti said:Reporter: "Why won't you visit the border?"
— Daily Wire (@realDailyWire) December 6, 2022
Biden: "There's more important things going on."pic.twitter.com/qzv7u8MNqZ
Yet he is president.
Forest Bueller_bf said:If someone really wants to be an American citizen, a 5 year vetting system should be sufficient. It shouldn't be an automatic acceptance either. I haven't looked it up and am taking your word for it, but 17 years is a long time.Porteroso said:whiterock said:I can hear it now: " Well, I do not think slavery is good, and in fact you can look that up, but personally, if our labor shortage is severe enough, we might have to dabble in it a little to we can fill our production quotas. After all, we do have limits on the horrors we will take, but until we reach that limit, we can solve a few problems, now, can't we."Porteroso said:whiterock said:Put Porteroso down for "human smuggling is just fine since it helps us exceed statutory immigration limits."Porteroso said:whiterock said:
Getting a free trip to Martha's Vineyard is the best thing that's happened to those migrants since they handed all their money over to the drug cartels for passage to America.
You make it sound like a bad thing. For many of them, they left death and starvation, and are in the greatest country try on the planet now.
I'd give cartels money too if they'd take me from a shothole to a place where dreams come true.
Dumb take. It's easy to legislate morality, but more difficult to live it. I do not think cartels smuggling humans is good, in fact, and you can look this up, it's bad. But personally, I might pay them to smuggle me and my family, if conditions were bad enough. We all have our limits on what horrors we will take.
Why should anyone have to hire the most violent criminal organizations on earth to immigrate to a country with a long and strong tradition of legal immigration? Why should we tolerate ANY human smuggling? We have a 17 year line of qualified immigrants waiting on quota space. People who DO qualify for US Citizenship and have been vetted as suitable for legal immigration, living on a green card, legally working, etc..... Why on earth would we not accelerate the pace of letting in those folks? Why not lift the 1m/yr cap? Make it 2m? Make it 3m? We do have a Congress who can change the statute to make that happen, and a POTUS likely to sign the necessary legislation. But nah.. That's too hard. Just let in whatever/whomever can pitch up to the border with enough money to pay the cartels. Simple. Why, voters don't even need to know it's happening. Shh......
Human smuggling is the most barbaric think to happen in North America since the slave trade.
It'd be one thing if it was happening a little bit around the margins.
But our ruling class is ignoring a million-man march as a way to evade statutory limits on legal immigration.
Hard no for me.
There is a huge disconnect in your logic. You ask why anyone would want to be smuggled into the United States, when the quota to get in legally is only 17 years long?
I've seen that 17 year figure before. Naturalization to citizenship takes about 7 years: five years as a lawful permanent resident and then 2 years for the naturalization process. That's kind of long but it forms a de facto vetting process to give LPRs a chance to either follow the rules or not.
But not all migrants want to be citizens or even LPRs; many follow a cycle of labor where our immigration policies disrupt that flow and trap undocumented workers here (Sometimes called "the invisible cage"). We need immigration reform that allows for labor to contract with employers.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
I agree here.quash said:Forest Bueller_bf said:If someone really wants to be an American citizen, a 5 year vetting system should be sufficient. It shouldn't be an automatic acceptance either. I haven't looked it up and am taking your word for it, but 17 years is a long time.Porteroso said:whiterock said:I can hear it now: " Well, I do not think slavery is good, and in fact you can look that up, but personally, if our labor shortage is severe enough, we might have to dabble in it a little to we can fill our production quotas. After all, we do have limits on the horrors we will take, but until we reach that limit, we can solve a few problems, now, can't we."Porteroso said:whiterock said:Put Porteroso down for "human smuggling is just fine since it helps us exceed statutory immigration limits."Porteroso said:whiterock said:
Getting a free trip to Martha's Vineyard is the best thing that's happened to those migrants since they handed all their money over to the drug cartels for passage to America.
You make it sound like a bad thing. For many of them, they left death and starvation, and are in the greatest country try on the planet now.
I'd give cartels money too if they'd take me from a shothole to a place where dreams come true.
Dumb take. It's easy to legislate morality, but more difficult to live it. I do not think cartels smuggling humans is good, in fact, and you can look this up, it's bad. But personally, I might pay them to smuggle me and my family, if conditions were bad enough. We all have our limits on what horrors we will take.
Why should anyone have to hire the most violent criminal organizations on earth to immigrate to a country with a long and strong tradition of legal immigration? Why should we tolerate ANY human smuggling? We have a 17 year line of qualified immigrants waiting on quota space. People who DO qualify for US Citizenship and have been vetted as suitable for legal immigration, living on a green card, legally working, etc..... Why on earth would we not accelerate the pace of letting in those folks? Why not lift the 1m/yr cap? Make it 2m? Make it 3m? We do have a Congress who can change the statute to make that happen, and a POTUS likely to sign the necessary legislation. But nah.. That's too hard. Just let in whatever/whomever can pitch up to the border with enough money to pay the cartels. Simple. Why, voters don't even need to know it's happening. Shh......
Human smuggling is the most barbaric think to happen in North America since the slave trade.
It'd be one thing if it was happening a little bit around the margins.
But our ruling class is ignoring a million-man march as a way to evade statutory limits on legal immigration.
Hard no for me.
There is a huge disconnect in your logic. You ask why anyone would want to be smuggled into the United States, when the quota to get in legally is only 17 years long?
I've seen that 17 year figure before. Naturalization to citizenship takes about 7 years: five years as a lawful permanent resident and then 2 years for the naturalization process. That's kind of long but it forms a de facto vetting process to give LPRs a chance to either follow the rules or not.
But not all migrants want to be citizens or even LPRs; many follow a cycle of labor where our immigration policies disrupt that flow and trap undocumented workers here (Sometimes called "the invisible cage"). We need immigration reform that allows for labor to contract with employers.
Your logic goes like this "well, we've made it too hard to get here legally, so we are morally obligated to tolerate immoral activity to help people get here."Porteroso said:whiterock said:I can hear it now: " Well, I do not think slavery is good, and in fact you can look that up, but personally, if our labor shortage is severe enough, we might have to dabble in it a little to we can fill our production quotas. After all, we do have limits on the horrors we will take, but until we reach that limit, we can solve a few problems, now, can't we."Porteroso said:whiterock said:Put Porteroso down for "human smuggling is just fine since it helps us exceed statutory immigration limits."Porteroso said:whiterock said:
Getting a free trip to Martha's Vineyard is the best thing that's happened to those migrants since they handed all their money over to the drug cartels for passage to America.
You make it sound like a bad thing. For many of them, they left death and starvation, and are in the greatest country try on the planet now.
I'd give cartels money too if they'd take me from a shothole to a place where dreams come true.
Dumb take. It's easy to legislate morality, but more difficult to live it. I do not think cartels smuggling humans is good, in fact, and you can look this up, it's bad. But personally, I might pay them to smuggle me and my family, if conditions were bad enough. We all have our limits on what horrors we will take.
Why should anyone have to hire the most violent criminal organizations on earth to immigrate to a country with a long and strong tradition of legal immigration? Why should we tolerate ANY human smuggling? We have a 17 year line of qualified immigrants waiting on quota space. People who DO qualify for US Citizenship and have been vetted as suitable for legal immigration, living on a green card, legally working, etc..... Why on earth would we not accelerate the pace of letting in those folks? Why not lift the 1m/yr cap? Make it 2m? Make it 3m? We do have a Congress who can change the statute to make that happen, and a POTUS likely to sign the necessary legislation. But nah.. That's too hard. Just let in whatever/whomever can pitch up to the border with enough money to pay the cartels. Simple. Why, voters don't even need to know it's happening. Shh......
Human smuggling is the most barbaric think to happen in North America since the slave trade.
It'd be one thing if it was happening a little bit around the margins.
But our ruling class is ignoring a million-man march as a way to evade statutory limits on legal immigration.
Hard no for me.
There is a huge disconnect in your logic. You ask why anyone would want to be smuggled into the United States, when the quota to get in legally is only 17 years long?
You are ignoring the patent moral hazard = the reason they pay the cartels to get here is because there is no disincentive to do so. They cross the border illegally and don't get caught - success, they get to stay here. They cross the border illegally and DO get caught - success, as the USG will not deport them but rather help resettle them in the USA. The moment we enforce the border strictly, as the prior admin did, the flow stops. No one is going to give their last dime to criminal organizations to smuggle them in if they know they are almost certain to be caught and deported.
It is simply astounding how hard people will work not to see the cause-effect: Lax border policies are creating the flow of human smuggling.
THE LATEST: The 90-100 migrants, most of whom are from Venezuela, were unexpectedly dropped off at the Denver Rescue Mission downtown, forcing the organization to reach out to the city for help. https://t.co/kU2Xp2tWIM
— The Denver Post (@denverpost) December 7, 2022
"Eliminates your nation's historic culture and replaces it with their own" is a pretty big one.
— Upstate Federalist (@upstatefederlst) December 7, 2022
But the food! https://t.co/vQkMfCbRAE
Exuberant Moroccans poured into the streets of their capital and in cities across Europe on Tuesday after defeated Spain in a penalty shootout https://t.co/rU0SwenpPr
— Bloomberg (@business) December 7, 2022
Redbrickbear said:Exuberant Moroccans poured into the streets of their capital and in cities across Europe on Tuesday after defeated Spain in a penalty shootout https://t.co/rU0SwenpPr
— Bloomberg (@business) December 7, 2022
And this has what to do with immigration?
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
quash said:Redbrickbear said:Exuberant Moroccans poured into the streets of their capital and in cities across Europe on Tuesday after defeated Spain in a penalty shootout https://t.co/rU0SwenpPr
— Bloomberg (@business) December 7, 2022
And this has what to do with immigration?
You think Moroccans are native to The Netherlands, France, and Germany?
You should really get out more.quash said:Redbrickbear said:Exuberant Moroccans poured into the streets of their capital and in cities across Europe on Tuesday after defeated Spain in a penalty shootout https://t.co/rU0SwenpPr
— Bloomberg (@business) December 7, 2022
And this has what to do with immigration?
Redbrickbear said:quash said:Redbrickbear said:Exuberant Moroccans poured into the streets of their capital and in cities across Europe on Tuesday after defeated Spain in a penalty shootout https://t.co/rU0SwenpPr
— Bloomberg (@business) December 7, 2022
And this has what to do with immigration?
You think Moroccans are native to The Netherlands, France, and Germany?
No. But do you really think people should never leave their home country? WTAF?
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
quash said:Redbrickbear said:quash said:Redbrickbear said:Exuberant Moroccans poured into the streets of their capital and in cities across Europe on Tuesday after defeated Spain in a penalty shootout https://t.co/rU0SwenpPr
— Bloomberg (@business) December 7, 2022
And this has what to do with immigration?
You think Moroccans are native to The Netherlands, France, and Germany?
No. But do you really think people should never leave their home country? WTAF?
Travel and colonization are two very different things…
Redbrickbear said:quash said:Redbrickbear said:quash said:Redbrickbear said:Exuberant Moroccans poured into the streets of their capital and in cities across Europe on Tuesday after defeated Spain in a penalty shootout https://t.co/rU0SwenpPr
— Bloomberg (@business) December 7, 2022
And this has what to do with immigration?
You think Moroccans are native to The Netherlands, France, and Germany?
No. But do you really think people should never leave their home country? WTAF?
Travel and colonization are two very different things…
Moroccans are colonizing Europe? Do you have an Epoch Times cite for that?
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
quash said:Redbrickbear said:quash said:Redbrickbear said:quash said:Redbrickbear said:Exuberant Moroccans poured into the streets of their capital and in cities across Europe on Tuesday after defeated Spain in a penalty shootout https://t.co/rU0SwenpPr
— Bloomberg (@business) December 7, 2022
And this has what to do with immigration?
You think Moroccans are native to The Netherlands, France, and Germany?
No. But do you really think people should never leave their home country? WTAF?
Travel and colonization are two very different things…
Moroccans are colonizing Europe? Do you have an Epoch Times cite for that?
How about the BBC?
About a full THIRD of immigrants to America from Europe during 1900-14, before the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1917 (complete with Asiatic Barred Zone), ended up back in Europe
— ib (@lndian_Bronson) December 7, 2022
The Business of Transatlantic Migration between Europe and the United States, Keeling, p.201 https://t.co/covSEGW2ji
The story of America's immigration laws from the 1790 Immigration Act up until 1965 is one of increasing restrictions.
— ib (@lndian_Bronson) December 7, 2022
The US expanded its territory and opportunity, while raising the bar for anyone to come: *DUH* of course that would work.
It became better/exclusive in tandem.
Notice how that's basically the exact opposite of what US immigration law and policy has been since 1965, which is summed up as "Everyone can be an American! We're all Americans and America is for everyone!"
— ib (@lndian_Bronson) December 7, 2022
A public bathroom country, a bus stop country, a motel country.
Redbrickbear said:quash said:Redbrickbear said:quash said:Redbrickbear said:quash said:Redbrickbear said:Exuberant Moroccans poured into the streets of their capital and in cities across Europe on Tuesday after defeated Spain in a penalty shootout https://t.co/rU0SwenpPr
— Bloomberg (@business) December 7, 2022
And this has what to do with immigration?
You think Moroccans are native to The Netherlands, France, and Germany?
No. But do you really think people should never leave their home country? WTAF?
Travel and colonization are two very different things…
Moroccans are colonizing Europe? Do you have an Epoch Times cite for that?
How about the BBC?
Not seeing Moroccans.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
quash said:Redbrickbear said:quash said:Redbrickbear said:quash said:Redbrickbear said:quash said:Redbrickbear said:Exuberant Moroccans poured into the streets of their capital and in cities across Europe on Tuesday after defeated Spain in a penalty shootout https://t.co/rU0SwenpPr
— Bloomberg (@business) December 7, 2022
And this has what to do with immigration?
You think Moroccans are native to The Netherlands, France, and Germany?
No. But do you really think people should never leave their home country? WTAF?
Travel and colonization are two very different things…
Moroccans are colonizing Europe? Do you have an Epoch Times cite for that?
How about the BBC?
Not seeing Moroccans.
So there needs to be millions of Moroccans in every single European country for it to be a big deal?
Redbrickbear said:quash said:Redbrickbear said:quash said:Redbrickbear said:quash said:Redbrickbear said:quash said:Redbrickbear said:Exuberant Moroccans poured into the streets of their capital and in cities across Europe on Tuesday after defeated Spain in a penalty shootout https://t.co/rU0SwenpPr
— Bloomberg (@business) December 7, 2022
And this has what to do with immigration?
You think Moroccans are native to The Netherlands, France, and Germany?
No. But do you really think people should never leave their home country? WTAF?
Travel and colonization are two very different things…
Moroccans are colonizing Europe? Do you have an Epoch Times cite for that?
How about the BBC?
Not seeing Moroccans.
So there needs to be millions of Moroccans in every single European country for it to be a big deal?
I don't think the post that started this is a big deal. There are only 37 million Moroccans in Morocco...
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
The Dalai Lama on the thought of England being mostly non-white pic.twitter.com/ikNZmIBayr
— Sir Walter Raleigh 🏴 (@NxlAnglo) December 9, 2022
BREAKING: A huge migrant caravan of over 1,000 people crossed illegally into El Paso, TX last night, making it the largest single group we have ever seen. The city of El Paso reports Border Patrol now has over 5,000 in custody & has released hundreds to city streets. @FoxNews pic.twitter.com/ewUQX757Lt
— Bill Melugin (@BillFOXLA) December 12, 2022
As I mentioned in my Saturday column, western elites are now feeling much safer than they were even two years ago, which is why they are reverting to type. They see populism as fading away, meaning that they can get back to their main projects like mass migration. https://t.co/uSjFbnh1lB
— FbF (@FistedFoucault) December 11, 2022
"Europe needs immigrants to contribute to the economy"
That Viktor Orban... blah blah blah.Redbrickbear said:
"Europe needs immigrants to contribute to the economy"
NEW: The Chief of U.S. Border Patrol reports there have been over 16,000 migrant encounters at the border in the last 48 hours.
— Bill Melugin (@BillFOXLA) December 12, 2022
That’s an average of 8,000 per day.
Former Obama DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson once said 1,000 in a day would be a “crisis”.
We are 8x that right now.
Simply amazing. I laugh at the jackasses that claimed the problem at the border was imaginary.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
🚨#BREAKING: French being brutally attacked in #Montpellier pic.twitter.com/A9L2hoE0TM
— Breaking News 24/7 (@Worldsource24) December 15, 2022
high-volume immigration is an extremist policy. it is a centrally planned wage suppression scheme. it disenfranchises & exploits the american people. brings medieval indentured servitude to every industry reliant on it & disincentivizes innovation
— paige willey (@midwesterneur) December 15, 2022
it’s the opposite of progress
This is former DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff who served under George W. Bush’s administration.
— U.S. Tech Workers (@USTechWorkers) June 17, 2022
American STEM grads, this man is largely responsible for destroying your future in STEM as he was the one who got STEM-OPT implemented (3-yr work permits for foreign students). https://t.co/sDj21DydEB
🇬🇧#UK
— Klaus Arminius (@Klaus_Arminius) December 16, 2022
English boy ambushed and beaten in a racially motivated attack by group of 10 Pakistani men as he walked home from school
Harvey Pickering, 16, told police the #Pakistani men hit him on the head from behind as they laughed and filmed the brutal AntiWhite attack pic.twitter.com/wKBumFc3zp
Race war between gypsies and Moroccans was not on my prediction list for 2022. https://t.co/sdxtUGzQg2
— Ion Râmaru (@Ion_Ramaru) December 17, 2022
Redbrickbear said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11536533/Paris-braced-civil-war-Champs-Elysees-France-prepares-Morocco.html
What was the final death toll?
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
quash said:Redbrickbear said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11536533/Paris-braced-civil-war-Champs-Elysees-France-prepares-Morocco.html
What was the final death toll?
A 14 year old was killed.
https://greekreporter.com/2022/12/15/14-year-old-killed-riots-france-morocco-world-cup/
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1709688/france-morocco-world-cup-football-fans-riot-police-paris-montpellier-lyon-latest-news-ont
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/15/boy-killed-in-montpellier-amid-violence-after-france-morocco-game