RMF5630 said:
whiterock said:
quash said:
Golem said:
J.R. said:
Terrible bit by DeSantis. These are real people (who came here illegally) and should not be used as political pawns. To the GOP and DEMS.....Fix the effing immigration problem. We need immigration, but it needs to be legal. It just should not be that freaking hard.
Save your outrage, knob. The democrats refuse to enforce the borders in hopes importing millions of people from marxist countries will change the voting demographics. The ONLY way to stop them is to make them feel pain....lots of pain. They thought they would just screw up the south. Our governors are not only doing the absolute right thing with these illegals (who aren't entitled to be here anyway), but they are playing the game to win....FINALLY.
Wrong. Not that you care but asylum seekers are not "illegals". At least not until they have had their day in court. But the state manipulating people always seems to garner your approval.
This was a sham from the start. These folks were given bad info, MV had no heads up but still treated them warmly until the feds quickly tried to return them (too late for some of them who missed their asylum hearings), and all done on the taxpayers' dime. What a waste.
Will be interesting to see which Florida "illegals" are prosecuted, if any.
uh, counselor. asylum seekers who crossed the border are, by definition, aliens in this country illegally. Thy remain illegal aliens until their asylum petitions are approved.
(in fact, the whole "asylum seeker" routine is nothing but a defense against deportation that forces the USG to release detainees to await resolution of their asylum case. +90% of them do not appear for their hearings, because A) they know they don't qualify, B) an appearance could lead to detention & deportation, and C) they don't need the asylum status.....they are here (the goal all along) and could care less about being legal.
Illegals should not be prosecuted. For anything. They should be deported. Why on earth would we want to incarcerate someone we could ship back home. (need a wall, though, to keep them from walking back across the border.)
I thought Trump had an effective policy, wait in Mexico, process as fast as we can and Mexico tighten their Southern Border.
They are asylum seekers and will get a hearing, but that does not give them "Carte Blanche" until that is determined. They are here as guest of the US Government, that means they follow the US policies and procedures and wait for hearings where the US (including States) says they do, even if it is Martha's Vineyard.
That said, the US does owe them protection until a determination is made.
Wait in Mexico was the single most important part of his success on the border.
We have a moral hazard on the border. No one fears the consequences of crossing. They get don't get caught? They get to stay here. They do get caught? They say "asylum" then they get released with a hearing date and are able to stay here. In a free society, "stay here" means "as long as you don't commit a felony, you're home free." What 'stay in Mex" did was remove that moral hazard. Returning you to Mexico to await the outcome of an asylum hearing meant you did not get to remain in the US, ignore your hearing, and live a good life. It meant you lost all that money you paid the cartels to get here, and had to earn more to cross again - because it IS a protection racket.... crossing the border without cartel escort is risking your life, should you encounter a cartel group. ( I have personally witnessed small groups of illegals running TOWARD Border Patrol agents. The explanation given (by a USBP supervisor) is "they were running from the cartels." ) Most of these illegals from places south of Mexico pay everything they have to get here, so getting caught & sent back to Mexico means they're starting all over in the worst ways....not only do they have no cash, they have no family, no means of employment, etc.....the only way they can "pay" to cross again is to offer their services to the cartels......
Cartels are making money coming/going, hand over fist....
The illegals are taking advantages of an INA structured to handle old risks - visa jumpers....people who fly across the oceans to enter legally, and then never go home. That represents a big percentage of the illegal population, but a fairly small percentage of the people entering. Then there is the refugee aspect....INA is written to allow solely political refugees. Yet we are a compassionate people and find it hard to say no to the "starving illegal beset by a crime ridden corrupt society. So illegals are coached (by open borders NGS and cartels) to request asylum, knowing that our refugee processing infrastructure is set for tens of thousands a year (against border crossings of tens of thousands per DAY). That one thing, a request for asylum, is a get o out of (deportation) jail card. USBP knows it. ICE knows it. Political leadership on both sides of the aisle know it. But they play dumb. Because we need the immigrants. They are powerfully economically stimulative.
As the border crossing game grew, however, INA was never really changed to disincentivize it. Things we could do? A wall helps. Wait in Mexico helps. And one more thing would really, really help - requiring all asylum cases to originate in embassies/consulates. Just requiring people to get prior approval for asylum (and making it impossible to request it here) would stop this flow cold. but to do that, we need political leadership who will have the courage to do what the American people want (stop illegal immigration) rather than making harder decisions about how to achieve economic growth.
There is a guy brave enough to do that. Maybe two.
I continue to maintain they will be on the Republican ticket in 2024
