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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

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Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

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Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

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1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

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Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

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They're not doing that.

Show your work!

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Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

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Well sure....conquest and colonization happened.

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Yeah, 1967 was a war initiated by several Arab armies with the objective of destroying the Jewish state. 1967 was a defensive war by Israel that wound up routing the Arab initiators. In 1948, there was no sovereign to conquer. The land was the British Mandate of Palestine. The Jews were not conquering the British and they were not colonizing any land the British wanted to hold onto.

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The Brtish did not own land in Palestine in 1948.

They held the area as a short term governing mandate as stipulated by the League of Nations.

They had no authority to give away any land from the indigenous population or displace anyone from the area.

This is of course after the British siezed the area from the Turkish Ottoman Empire during World War I.

The British never had nor claimed to have exclusive sovereignty over Palesinte....merely administravite control under the authoirty of a short term mandate.

Nor does a Isreali victory in the 1967 war give them the right to forever occpuy the West Bank (the agreed apon international homeland and State of the Palestineian people)

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At what point does or did Israel lose the right to defend itself?
Please provide an actual date.

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No one said they don't have a right to defend themselves....what they don't have is the right to occupy the West Bank forever and keep millions of arabs under miltary occupation and Apartheid conditions.

Again....think back to the Mexico-Texas example.

Would you as a Texan accept endless Mexican army occpuation of Central Texas?

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If the United States and Guatemala, with help from Canada, Cuba and a few other nearby nations, sought to invade and destroy the country of Mexico, but Mexico fought back, took over vast areas of Texas and put an army in McLane stadium, maybe I would just have to accept the reality on the ground and consider that I had overplayed my hand.

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That is an extremely interesting statement to make.

I guess you are just more accepting of long term foreign occupation than other people.

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Or maybe I would suggest negotiating a settlement that would involve Mexican security and Texas being returned to the United States instead of holding on to the dream of destroying Mexico and driving them into the sea.

You still haven't answered the question: when should Israel withdraw from the areas that they occupied while fighting a war that has not yet ended?

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What is your proof that the majority of Palestinians want to "drive Israel into the sea"?

In fact "69% of the population of Palestine is below the age of 29"...they are young urban and have no desire to try and destroy the Israeli State....nor do they have the means to defeat a nuclear armed 1st world nation like Israel.

I have already shown you polls where a majority of Palestinians and Israeli's favor the two state solution.

[The survey, entitled "Prospect, Peace and Politics: Where do Palestinians Stand?" polled 953 Palestinians living in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip 467 men and 486 women over the course of two weeks from April 28 until May 11. The survey was publicized as a part of Arab News'
It was conducted online in English and Arabic. Most of the respondents were between the ages of 25 and 45, and only about half of respondents reported having any kind of employment.
Almost two-thirds of those surveyed 63% expressed that they felt represented neither by the Hamas political party nor the Fatah party. And three-quarters reported a belief that the Palestinian Authority leadership is not capable of making peace with the Israeli government.
In terms of the geopolitical future of the region, the second most popular option after a two-state solution (most popular answer) was the creation of a single Israeli-Palestinian secular state, which 21% of respondents supported.]

Why don't you favor a two State solution....what gives you a right to be more of a war monger than the majority of Israeli and Palestinian citizens?

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I made no reference to any polling or public opinion and I am in favor of a two-state solution provided it ends the conflict.

You still haven't answered the question about when Israel should withdraw or should have withdrawn, either by date or condition. You don't think Israel should be there forever, so when should they leave?

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Why not now? Why not today?

They pulled out of Gaza and stopped occupying the land in 2005

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza

So let's not pretend like Israel can't pull out of the West Bank.

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Let's not pretend Russia can't pull out of Crimea, either. That aside, would you advise Israel to unilaterally withdraw from the West Bank?

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Sure why not?

Israel does not have a right to the West Bank.

And Russia does not have a right to Crimea.

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What do you think would happen if Israel unilaterally withdrew from the parts of the West Bank it administers?

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The people of Palestine would be free to govern their own affaires and have a sovereign nation.

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Kind of like the Palestinians in Gaza?

Will be interesting to see how lawmakers and immigrant groups respond to this considering the deaths of two immigrant children in government custody in December 2018 generated major blowback toward the Trump administration https://t.co/nzSHKZvOYB

— Anna Giaritelli (@Anna_Giaritelli) May 18, 2023

NEW: An illegal immigrant from Honduras is charged with raping a teenage girl in an Alabama restaurant bathroom. @BreitbartNews reports he had a criminal record, crossed illegally into Eagle Pass, TX in Nov. 2021, & was released into the U.S. by DHS.https://t.co/E3lFQnNMYJ

— Bill Melugin (@BillFOXLA) May 18, 2023

Does Miller not know about the birth rate problem?

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

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Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

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Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

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1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

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Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

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They're not doing that.

Show your work!

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Here you go

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That work not only does not prove your assertion (bolded above), it is not germane, a completely separate issue.

How is Israel an apartheid state?
(hint: Israel and the West Bank are two separate entities.)

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the newer phase of llegal immigration is fueling that problem.

Illegals from Mexico were overwhelmingly literate.
Illegals from Central America and some other places not so much.

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Yeah, 1967 was a war initiated by several Arab armies with the objective of destroying the Jewish state. 1967 was a defensive war by Israel that wound up routing the Arab initiators. In 1948, there was no sovereign to conquer. The land was the British Mandate of Palestine. The Jews were not conquering the British and they were not colonizing any land the British wanted to hold onto.

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The Brtish did not own land in Palestine in 1948.

They held the area as a short term governing mandate as stipulated by the League of Nations.

They had no authority to give away any land from the indigenous population or displace anyone from the area.

This is of course after the British siezed the area from the Turkish Ottoman Empire during World War I.

The British never had nor claimed to have exclusive sovereignty over Palesinte....merely administravite control under the authoirty of a short term mandate.

Nor does a Isreali victory in the 1967 war give them the right to forever occpuy the West Bank (the agreed apon international homeland and State of the Palestineian people)

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The West Bank was ceded by the Hashemite Kingdom of Trans-Jordan following their failed attempt in 1967 to push the Jews into the sea. The Jews have a political, historical, and religious basis to occupy the land which goes back Abraham purchasing the cave at Machpelah / Hebron to bury his wife, Sarah.

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You will have to take that up with the international community

Everyone...incliding the United States government agrees to the idea that the West Bank should be the home of a Palestinian State.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution

Most Israeli citizens even agree that there should be a Palestinian State in the West Bank

[Many Palestinians and Israelis, as well as the Arab League, have stated that they would accept a two-state solution based on 1949 Armistice Agreements, more commonly referred to as the "1967 borders". In a 2002 poll conducted by PIPA, 72% of both Palestinians and Israelis supported at that time a peace settlement based on the 1967 borders so long as each group could be reassured that the other side would be cooperative in making the necessary concessions for such a settlement. A 2013 Gallup poll found 70% of Palestinians in the West Bank and 48% of Palestinians in Gaza Strip, together with 52% of Israelis supporting "an independent Palestinian state together with the state of Israel".]

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You are arguing the wrong side of the issue....the one everyone agrees upon.

Focus attention on the other side.....the existence of Israel. The Palestinians, and most islamic nations supporting the Palestinians, do not agree to that. Why should Israel withdraw its armies from occupied territory when the leadership of that territory militantly promises to destroy Israel?

There is no truer or more succinct summary of the situation than this:
"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel'"
--Benjamin Netanyahu

Has nothing to do with current political or military dynamics. Has to do with the intransigence of fundamental islamic worldview leading to an utter unwillingness to allow the creation of a non-islamic state in the islamic world. No muslim can willingly agree to allow lands in the dar-al-islam to become dar-al-harb. One could quibble with whether or not Israel represents dar-al-harb or dar-al-ahd, for sure, but few can say Israel has a treaty with the Palestinian people at large, so dar-al-harb is hard to toss out. Westerners mostly are ignorant of all that islamic context, and those who are tend to dismiss the importance of it. but make no mistake.....the odds of a lasting peace between Israel and Palestine in our lifetime are vanishingly close to zero.

Israel has no choice but to occupy the West Bank. Its existence depends upon it. Yes, it is settling Jews in the West Bank. Yes, that could ultimately, over time, change demographics that would result in Israeli annexation of the West Bank. But the Palestinians in the West Bank would have franchise in the Israeli state just as the Palestinians living in Israel have franchise in the Israeli state.

The allegation of apartheid state is easily demonstrable as anti-zionist propaganda.

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Does Miller not know about the birth rate problem?

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3,664,292 Births in 2021

3,458,697 deaths in 2021

We are still netting 200,000 plus new citizens a year.

Plus we let in 1,000,000 legal immigrants every single year.

We just plain don't need illegal immigrants…unless the goal is to suppress wage growth.

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You're not accounting for those who leave the US each year. That's why the population is more stable than those numbers make it appear, and why new immigrants are needed. They contribute significantly to the economy. No doubt they also affect wages, but there are bigger issues there - inflation, fiscal policy, corporate debt. Immigrants are a convenient scapegoat.

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Those numbers say much more about our education system than they do about immigrants. The language barrier is always going to be an extra challenge for them. Immigrants shouldn't be 34% of the illiterate in this country. They should be like 94%. It's another case of scapegoating them for our failures.

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Does Miller not know about the birth rate problem?

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3,664,292 Births in 2021

3,458,697 deaths in 2021

We are still netting 200,000 plus new citizens a year.

Plus we let in 1,000,000 legal immigrants every single year.

We just plain don't need illegal immigrants…unless the goal is to suppress wage growth.

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You're not accounting for those who leave the US each year. That's why the population is more stable than those numbers make it appear, and why new immigrants are needed. They contribute significantly to the economy. No doubt they also affect wages, but there are bigger issues there - inflation, fiscal policy, corporate debt. Immigrants are a convenient scapegoat.

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The purpose of this round of illegal immigration is to stimulate the economy. Suppressing wage growth is a by-product (which will work unevenly, as it will only suppress wage growth at the bottom of the scale.

We are tapped out on fiscal stimulus. We are raising interest rates, so are tapped out on monetary stimulus. Dems will ever cut regulations, so we will get no regulatory relief. That leaves only one big macroeconomic lever to pull -- population growth. Macroeconomically speaking, that is obvious.

Politically speaking, the pain of the invasion (wildly unpopular, sapping Biden's approval numbers) is preferable to the pain of an economic depression. And it has the beneficial by product of improving the actuaries of social security, of reducing federal debt per capita, etc.....

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Does Miller not know about the birth rate problem?

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3,664,292 Births in 2021

3,458,697 deaths in 2021

We are still netting 200,000 plus new citizens a year.

Plus we let in 1,000,000 legal immigrants every single year.

We just plain don't need illegal immigrants…unless the goal is to suppress wage growth.

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You're not accounting for those who leave the US each year. That's why the population is more stable than those numbers make it appear, and why new immigrants are needed. They contribute significantly to the economy. No doubt they also affect wages, but there are bigger issues there - inflation, fiscal policy, corporate debt. Immigrants are a convenient scapegoat.

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The purpose of this round of illegal immigration is to stimulate the economy. Suppressing wage growth is a by-product (which will work unevenly, as it will only suppress wage growth at the bottom of the scale.

We are tapped out on fiscal stimulus. We are raising interest rates, so are tapped out on monetary stimulus. Dems will ever cut regulations, so we will get no regulatory relief. That leaves only one big macroeconomic lever to pull -- population growth. Macroeconomically speaking, that is obvious.

Politically speaking, the pain of the invasion (wildly unpopular, sapping Biden's approval numbers) is preferable to the pain of an economic depression. And it has the beneficial by product of improving the actuaries of social security, of reducing federal debt per capita, etc.....

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The generational destruction of our education system caused by the open borders means we won't have the system in place to take advantage of any population growth.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Does Miller not know about the birth rate problem?

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3,664,292 Births in 2021

3,458,697 deaths in 2021

We are still netting 200,000 plus new citizens a year.

Plus we let in 1,000,000 legal immigrants every single year.

We just plain don't need illegal immigrants…unless the goal is to suppress wage growth.

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You're not accounting for those who leave the US each year. That's why the population is more stable than those numbers make it appear, and why new immigrants are needed. They contribute significantly to the economy. No doubt they also affect wages, but there are bigger issues there - inflation, fiscal policy, corporate debt. Immigrants are a convenient scapegoat.

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The purpose of this round of illegal immigration is to stimulate the economy. Suppressing wage growth is a by-product (which will work unevenly, as it will only suppress wage growth at the bottom of the scale.

We are tapped out on fiscal stimulus. We are raising interest rates, so are tapped out on monetary stimulus. Dems will ever cut regulations, so we will get no regulatory relief. That leaves only one big macroeconomic lever to pull -- population growth. Macroeconomically speaking, that is obvious.

Politically speaking, the pain of the invasion (wildly unpopular, sapping Biden's approval numbers) is preferable to the pain of an economic depression. And it has the beneficial by product of improving the actuaries of social security, of reducing federal debt per capita, etc.....

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The generational destruction of our education system caused by the open borders means we won't have the system in place to take advantage of any population growth.

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I don't disagree except to note that there are far worse problems going on in our education system at the moment.......

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Sam Lowry said:

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Does Miller not know about the birth rate problem?

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3,664,292 Births in 2021

3,458,697 deaths in 2021

We are still netting 200,000 plus new citizens a year.

Plus we let in 1,000,000 legal immigrants every single year.

We just plain don't need illegal immigrants…unless the goal is to suppress wage growth.

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You're not accounting for those who leave the US each year. That's why the population is more stable than those numbers make it appear, and why new immigrants are needed. They contribute significantly to the economy. No doubt they also affect wages, but there are bigger issues there - inflation, fiscal policy, corporate debt. Immigrants are a convenient scapegoat.

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The purpose of this round of illegal immigration is to stimulate the economy. Suppressing wage growth is a by-product (which will work unevenly, as it will only suppress wage growth at the bottom of the scale.

We are tapped out on fiscal stimulus. We are raising interest rates, so are tapped out on monetary stimulus. Dems will ever cut regulations, so we will get no regulatory relief. That leaves only one big macroeconomic lever to pull -- population growth. Macroeconomically speaking, that is obvious.

Politically speaking, the pain of the invasion (wildly unpopular, sapping Biden's approval numbers) is preferable to the pain of an economic depression. And it has the beneficial by product of improving the actuaries of social security, of reducing federal debt per capita, etc.....

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Agreed. It's far from ideal, but it's where we are.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/countries-gun-violence-problem-shooting-us-canada-france-australia-193643802.html

The Venezuelans obviously have not gotten the message!

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Sam Lowry said:

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Does Miller not know about the birth rate problem?

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3,664,292 Births in 2021

3,458,697 deaths in 2021

We are still netting 200,000 plus new citizens a year.

Plus we let in 1,000,000 legal immigrants every single year.

We just plain don't need illegal immigrants…unless the goal is to suppress wage growth.

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You're not accounting for those who leave the US each year. That's why the population is more stable than those numbers make it appear, and why new immigrants are needed. They contribute significantly to the economy. No doubt they also affect wages, but there are bigger issues there - inflation, fiscal policy, corporate debt. Immigrants are a convenient scapegoat.

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The purpose of this round of illegal immigration is to stimulate the economy. Suppressing wage growth is a by-product (which will work unevenly, as it will only suppress wage growth at the bottom of the scale.

We are tapped out on fiscal stimulus. We are raising interest rates, so are tapped out on monetary stimulus. Dems will ever cut regulations, so we will get no regulatory relief. That leaves only one big macroeconomic lever to pull -- population growth. Macroeconomically speaking, that is obvious.

Politically speaking, the pain of the invasion (wildly unpopular, sapping Biden's approval numbers) is preferable to the pain of an economic depression. And it has the beneficial by product of improving the actuaries of social security, of reducing federal debt per capita, etc.....

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The generational destruction of our education system caused by the open borders means we won't have the system in place to take advantage of any population growth.

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I don't disagree except to note that there are far worse problems going on in our education system at the moment.......

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In Texas it's at emergency levels. It's an easy fix if we just end the federal mandate that we must educate them. Or secure the border and that problem, along with the high rate of uninsured in Texas, will solve itself.

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

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Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

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Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

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1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

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Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

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They're not doing that.

Show your work!

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Here you go

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That work not only does not prove your assertion (bolded above), it is not germane, a completely separate issue.

How is Israel an apartheid state?
(hint: Israel and the West Bank are two separate entities.)

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There is an Israel thread in the Bear Cave....I would be happy to discuss it there with you.

Or we can start one on this board.

But we can't keep going around about Israel-Palestine on a thread about Illegal immigration.

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

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Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

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Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

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1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

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Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

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They're not doing that.

Show your work!

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Here you go

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Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

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Henry Kissinger wrote an excellent book about the 1967 event.

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So did Michael Oren / Six Days of War

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Does he cover the false flag attack on the USS Liberty?

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Redbrickbear said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

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1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

---

Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

---

They're not doing that.

Show your work!

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Here you go

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Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

---

Henry Kissinger wrote an excellent book about the 1967 event.

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So did Michael Oren / Six Days of War

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Does he cover the false flag attack on the USS Liberty?

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Read the book and find out.

He Hate Me said:

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muddybrazos said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Wangchung said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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muddybrazos said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

---

1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

---

That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

---

Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

---

They're not doing that.

Show your work!

---

Here you go

---

Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

---

Henry Kissinger wrote an excellent book about the 1967 event.

---

So did Michael Oren / Six Days of War

---

Does he cover the false flag attack on the USS Liberty?

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Read the book and find out.

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I am gonna start a thread for you on the board for this stuff.

it’s funny how Americans will delude themselves into thinking they need a millions of illegal mexican construction workers when contractors in Japan who actually build stuff every day use native citizens instead https://t.co/bGwIeqpyzK pic.twitter.com/ge7DOXLLfm

— ϟ Country Club Caudillo ϟ (@SuburbanJihadi) May 20, 2023

“one problem with democracy is that politicians can create their own voter base—by importing them, bribing them, or driving them to ruin.”

~Aristotle pic.twitter.com/W9gYw8QdA9

— Scott Hagan (@jeffreyscott88) May 18, 2023

People will start to make the connection. The reason there is a housing crisis is mass immigration. The reason they can’t get a GP appointment is mass immigration. The reason their lives are more miserable than they were ten years ago is mass immigration.

- Nigel Farage, 2023 pic.twitter.com/aAQJ7Jewhv

— Sir Walter Raleigh 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 (@NxlAnglo) May 20, 2023

The positions liberals now call crazy, fascist, and white supremacist were the positions a radically progressive black Democrat felt comfortable espousing a few decades ago https://t.co/0gCrOiOpmP

— Auron MacIntyre (@AuronMacintyre) May 21, 2023

That's not what the statue and the poem say, sir. https://t.co/ehh2hrBye1

— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) May 21, 2023

Mass migration is at the heart of the EU project.

There's a reason your streets feel foreign.

Ireland MUST become less Irish and the changes will continue to happen.

You have no choice Paddy.#NoHateSpeechLaws #IrelandisFull pic.twitter.com/bF5IttomSm

— Liam K (@LiamK1916) May 13, 2023

Mass immigration is making the cost of renting and owning a home unaffordable for working class people.

Mass immigration at the scale we have it is an economic war against working-class Americans. pic.twitter.com/VSFJmeuJtt

— Ryan James Girdusky (@RyanGirdusky) May 22, 2023

Jonathan Bowden on meeting Michael Gove and warning him about the consequences of Mass Immigration

Gove said … “It's a disaster what's happened in this country, isn't it? But we can't say so, and we can't do anything.” And I said, "Well, why can't we say so, Michael?" pic.twitter.com/iOPkuyCnHd

— ɖʀʊӄքǟ ӄʊռʟɛʏ 🇧🇹🇹🇩 (@kunley_drukpa) May 22, 2023

Redbrickbear said:

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The positions liberals now call crazy, fascist, and white supremacist were the positions a radically progressive black Democrat felt comfortable espousing a few decades ago https://t.co/0gCrOiOpmP

— Auron MacIntyre (@AuronMacintyre) May 21, 2023

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I never imagined that Barack Obama would be much more of a centrist than Joe Biden. But it is true. My, my how things change.

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Redbrickbear said:

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The positions liberals now call crazy, fascist, and white supremacist were the positions a radically progressive black Democrat felt comfortable espousing a few decades ago https://t.co/0gCrOiOpmP

— Auron MacIntyre (@AuronMacintyre) May 21, 2023

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I never imagined that Barack Obama would be much more of a centrist than Joe Biden. But it is true. My, my how things change.

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Remember that nutjob Obama judge who ruled the law making it a felony to reenter the country illegally if you've already been deported was unconstitutional because it was racially discriminatory? The Ninth Circuit just flushed her nonsense down the toilet. https://t.co/rGeUhgnC0u

— Varad Mehta (@varadmehta) May 22, 2023

Street view.

You may not like it but this is the future of Britain sweetie✌️ https://t.co/f22QaUw9Y8 pic.twitter.com/8cBhsUjOFs

— Callum (@AkkadSecretary) May 22, 2023

The Chicago Chamber of Commerce with a warm welcome...

What a perfect welcome for landing in Chicago pic.twitter.com/SXiqKswwR6

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) May 23, 2023

https://t.co/FccAbF26eZ pic.twitter.com/85o7SHqmWQ

— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) May 24, 2023