Illegals in Martha's Vineyard

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In reply to RD2WINAGNBEAR86 • 11:01a, 7/29/23
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
I may get flogged for this, but immediate work visas for these people is a step in the right direction. If I'm not mistaken, migrants currently cannot work for 18 months until they can acquire a work visa? That sucks!!! If you're gonna let them stay, let them work. Let them go to work and pay their own way ASAP! We can account for them and know where they are. Stop depending on the taxpayer to feed, clothe, and support them. I am under the impression the majority of them are ready to work if given the opportunity.


Work visas for what amounts largely to an invasion of military-aged men facilitated by Soros NGOs and faith based NGOs? Hard pass. No reward for the invaders. Punish the facilitators. Secure the border yesterday.
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"Start spreading the news....."

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9:33p, 7/29/23
Regressive "sanctuary cities" freak outs about having to deal with a tiny fraction of illegals is the perfect story.
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In reply to Jack Bauer • 10:53p, 7/29/23
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"Start spreading the news....."

Not trying to be a wise ass, but where do these people go to poop and pee?
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Rewarding illegals in any way only creates waves of more illegals. We cannot offer any such deals until the border is under control.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
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In reply to Wangchung • 11:08p, 7/29/23
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Rewarding illegals in any way only creates waves of more illegals. We cannot offer any such deals until the border is under control.
Continuing to pay their way while they sit on their asses is not sustainable. We have no clue where these people are. This is not good.
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In reply to Jack Bauer • 11:14p, 7/29/23
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In reply to Jack Bauer • 11:24p, 7/29/23
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In reply to RD2WINAGNBEAR86 • 7:32a, 7/30/23
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
Rewarding illegals in any way only creates waves of more illegals. We cannot offer any such deals until the border is under control.
Continuing to pay their way while they sit on their asses is not sustainable. We have no clue where these people are. This is not good.


Which is why you secure the border first, punish those helped them get here, and make life hard for them once they arrive. You don't owe them a hotel, food or phone. Make it harder to live here than it was in their country of origin.

Once you do that, the flow slows, human trafficking is reduced, fewer children are sent through the Sonoran desert where they are starved and abused, and Americans don't have their jobs taken from them at lower wages than should be offered.
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In reply to RD2WINAGNBEAR86 • 12:00p, 7/30/23
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Jack Bauer said:
Jack Bauer said:
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2016: Take that Trump!

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Sunshine, rainbows, and unicorns! Are these little b i t c h e s EVER going to grow up?


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In reply to Wrecks Quan Dough • 8:38p, 7/30/23
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Try getting liability insurance without a license.

I was, obviously, talking about liability coverage, not under/uninsured. Personal responsibility type stuff. Which will get harder under this law.
You can do it. It ain't hard. And tow that vehicle if there is no insurance.

https://www.lafamiliainsurance.com/blog/en_US/no-license-online-auto-insurance-in-texas/
You had to have not read the webpage to have thought that UM/UIM was being offered. It was for liability coverage.

Oh, I understand that an agent offers it, but the carrier will refuse the claim if the driver is unlicensed, same as with an excluded driver.
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In reply to Jack Bauer • 4:54p, 8/1/23
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And Brownsville Texas and other border towns can?
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Mayor Adams = Gov. Abbott's Beyonces.
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The Govt is asking you now, next year they will be TELLING you ...

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In reply to Jack Bauer • 12:16p, 8/10/23
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The Govt is asking you now, next year they will be TELLING you ...



So crazy how things can change in a few generations.

The people of Massachusetts once rose up and rebelled over the idea that the Crown government might quarter English soldiers in peoples homes.

Now the Commonwealth of Massachusetts demands you take 3rd worlders into your home.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 7:39a, 8/12/23
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two very separate issues. Second one is about "class of immigrants." Lots of data on which immigrants (where they're from) do best, most of it highly inconvenient to progressive sentiments about systemic oppression.

First is a common critique, and a valid if immaterial one. It is definitely in one's interest to import people who thrive in your system rather than ones who don't. The fact that we do not do that explains the larger and far more simple issue that really drives the whole thing - importing people is economically stimulative. Doesn't matter whether their consumption is paid for by money they earn or on money they get from govt. subsidy. They consume. Ergo they add consumption to the economy. The equation is the equation:



For the purpose of economic growth TODAY, doesn't matter whether the rent, clothing, and food used by the immigrant is paid for by his/her own money or public money. The immigrant spends money that would not be spent if he/she were not here. Population growth is the largest part of economic growth. When a person crosses the Rio Grande, the consumption of tacos and toilet paper rises.

Conservatives do themselves great harm in focusing on the economic effects of illegal immigration rather than the rule of law arguments. Government is importing immigrants far in excess of statutory quotas, surreptitiously engaging in immigration policy explicitly prohibited by law, and feigning an inability to stop it.
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In reply to whiterock • 11:20a, 8/12/23
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two very separate issues. Second one is about "class of immigrants." Lots of data on which immigrants (where they're from) do best, most of it highly inconvenient to progressive sentiments about systemic oppression.

First is a common critique, and a valid if immaterial one. It is definitely in one's interest to import people who thrive in your system rather than ones who don't. The fact that we do not do that explains the larger and far more simple issue that really drives the whole thing - importing people is economically stimulative. Doesn't matter whether their consumption is paid for by money they earn or on money they get from govt. subsidy. They consume. Ergo they add consumption to the economy. The equation is the equation:



For the purpose of economic growth TODAY, doesn't matter whether the rent, clothing, and food used by the immigrant is paid for by his/her own money or public money. The immigrant spends money that would not be spent if he/she were not here. Population growth is the largest part of economic growth. When a person crosses the Rio Grande, the consumption of tacos and toilet paper rises.

Conservatives do themselves great harm in focusing on the economic effects of illegal immigration rather than the rule of law arguments. Government is importing immigrants far in excess of statutory quotas, surreptitiously engaging in immigration policy explicitly prohibited by law, and feigning an inability to stop it.



Good points.

I guess the question is how long can such a economic system go on? Decades? Certainly not centuries?


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In reply to Redbrickbear • 11:23a, 8/12/23
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whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:



two very separate issues. Second one is about "class of immigrants." Lots of data on which immigrants (where they're from) do best, most of it highly inconvenient to progressive sentiments about systemic oppression.

First is a common critique, and a valid if immaterial one. It is definitely in one's interest to import people who thrive in your system rather than ones who don't. The fact that we do not do that explains the larger and far more simple issue that really drives the whole thing - importing people is economically stimulative. Doesn't matter whether their consumption is paid for by money they earn or on money they get from govt. subsidy. They consume. Ergo they add consumption to the economy. The equation is the equation:



For the purpose of economic growth TODAY, doesn't matter whether the rent, clothing, and food used by the immigrant is paid for by his/her own money or public money. The immigrant spends money that would not be spent if he/she were not here. Population growth is the largest part of economic growth. When a person crosses the Rio Grande, the consumption of tacos and toilet paper rises.

Conservatives do themselves great harm in focusing on the economic effects of illegal immigration rather than the rule of law arguments. Government is importing immigrants far in excess of statutory quotas, surreptitiously engaging in immigration policy explicitly prohibited by law, and feigning an inability to stop it.



Good points.

I guess the question is how long can such a economic system go on? Decades? Certainly not centuries?



As long as the federal debt is serviced, by cash or inflation, can go on forever, except for the trivial detail that social contract must serve the best interests of ordinary people, which at the moment it is not.

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