Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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quash said:

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Gov. Abbott's Operation Lone Star costs $150,000 per arrest.

We gave him three election wins to do something. We have given him over $5 billion.

Is it worth it to traffic humans to New York as state policy
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You could put 'em up in your home.

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Funny.

Doesn't address the policy issue. Do you have any thing to contribute in that regard?

quash said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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quash said:

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Gov. Abbott's Operation Lone Star costs $150,000 per arrest.

We gave him three election wins to do something. We have given him over $5 billion.

Is it worth it to traffic humans to New York as state policy
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You could put 'em up in your home.

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Funny.

Doesn't address the policy issue. Do you have any thing to contribute in that regard?

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If sending (not "trafficking," don't be moronic) gets the Federal government to take the issue seriously, yes, it may well be worth every penny for the long term good of Texas, the United States and those who would consider whether to come to this country without the benefit of a proper visa.

quash said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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quash said:

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Gov. Abbott's Operation Lone Star costs $150,000 per arrest.

We gave him three election wins to do something. We have given him over $5 billion.

Is it worth it to traffic humans to New York as state policy
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You could put 'em up in your home.

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Funny.

Doesn't address the policy issue. Do you have any thing to contribute in that regard?

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The policy issue is there are a lot people who want to look "nice" at others' expense but don't want to actually do anything themselves. Just like you. The policy solution is to secure the borders and make life here unbearable for illegal aliens and those who employ them.

How dare you question your leaders!!

BREAKING: @RepJerryNadler, @AOC and other democratic congress members' press conference in New York over illegal immigration turns chaotic with people shouting "close the freaking border" and pro-immigrant groups shouting back, saying everyone in the US came from another… pic.twitter.com/DNpEAoO9id

— Simon Ateba (@simonateba) September 15, 2023

Jack Bauer said:

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How dare you question your leaders!!

BREAKING: @RepJerryNadler, @AOC and other democratic congress members' press conference in New York over illegal immigration turns chaotic with people shouting "close the freaking border" and pro-immigrant groups shouting back, saying everyone in the US came from another… pic.twitter.com/DNpEAoO9id

— Simon Ateba (@simonateba) September 15, 2023

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Fat Jerry looks like he swallowed an asylum seeker.

Cobretti said:

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MUST WATCH: New Yorkers, fed up with illegal immigrants flooding their streets, drown out a New York Democrat press conference with chants of:

“CLOSE THE BORDER!” pic.twitter.com/G7h0xDBOJe

— Conservative War Machine (@WarMachineRR) September 15, 2023

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More tax dollars given to illegals.
More privileges given to illegals.
Never mention the policy.

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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quash said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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quash said:

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Gov. Abbott's Operation Lone Star costs $150,000 per arrest.

We gave him three election wins to do something. We have given him over $5 billion.

Is it worth it to traffic humans to New York as state policy
?

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You could put 'em up in your home.

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Funny.

Doesn't address the policy issue. Do you have any thing to contribute in that regard?

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The policy issue is there are a lot people who want to look "nice" at others' expense but don't want to actually do anything themselves. Just like you. The policy solution is to secure the borders and make life here unbearable for illegal aliens and those who employ them.

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I'd rather not **** up the economy any more. You have an employer, you get a work visa. Your job ends, you go home.

Read about the circular flow of labor and how policies you suggest always make things worse.

That and the denial of rights to workers and employers. Remember when freedom meant something?

Jack Bauer said:

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DEBUNKED: Immigrants are a positive to the economy I was told!!

"Chicago is facing a budget shortfall of $538 million next year. Around $200 million of that is a result of the immigration crisis ... exposing just how pathetic Chicago has become under almost a century of Democratic leadership."
-@ZacharyFariahttps://t.co/UOCXPI0cQo

— Washington Examiner (@dcexaminer) September 15, 2023

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Lol. One city, yeah that debunks the slight positive effect on the economy.

quash said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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quash said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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quash said:

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Gov. Abbott's Operation Lone Star costs $150,000 per arrest.

We gave him three election wins to do something. We have given him over $5 billion.

Is it worth it to traffic humans to New York as state policy
?

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You could put 'em up in your home.

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Funny.

Doesn't address the policy issue. Do you have any thing to contribute in that regard?

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The policy issue is there are a lot people who want to look "nice" at others' expense but don't want to actually do anything themselves. Just like you. The policy solution is to secure the borders and make life here unbearable for illegal aliens and those who employ them.

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I'd rather not **** up the economy any more. You have an employer, you get a work visa. Your job ends, you go home.

Read about the circular flow of labor and how policies you suggest always make things worse.

That and the denial of rights to workers and employers. Remember when freedom meant something?

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That is not what is happening. Try again. You should house some folks. Do it for the economy.

Jack Bauer said:

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DEBUNKED: Immigrants are a positive to the economy I was told!!

"Chicago is facing a budget shortfall of $538 million next year. Around $200 million of that is a result of the immigration crisis ... exposing just how pathetic Chicago has become under almost a century of Democratic leadership."
-@ZacharyFariahttps://t.co/UOCXPI0cQo

— Washington Examiner (@dcexaminer) September 15, 2023

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as a purely technical matter, the stats cited do indeed reflect a positive impact on the economy...... The problem here is not economics. Every time someone walks across our border, the consumption of tacos & toilet paper rises. And rents. And gasoline. And and and and......and sales taxes, etc..... Population growth is economically stimulative. Deficit spending is economically stimulative. The two together? look at inflation....

The problem is law & order.....we spend hundreds of millions a year on institutions to defend the border, yet we are actively NOT defending the border, despite rising public sentiment to stop illegal immigration. In a properly functioning democratic process, a correction would normally be in order.

If illegals had even the SLIGHTEST benefit then the Biden administration would not be attempting to keep them contained in Red states. The border is open to hurt Red states and that was fine until those states started bussing illegals to Blue states. Suddenly it was cruel to bring illegals into a state and suddenly those illegals needed to be restricted to Red states. But illegals are still better to have than to not have, we pinky promise swear! Biden just wants to keep those benefits in red states?

Wangchung said:

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If illegals had even the SLIGHTEST benefit then the Biden administration would not be attempting to keep them contained in Red states. The border is open to hurt Red states and that was fine until those states started bussing illegals to Blue states. Suddenly it was cruel to bring illegals into a state and suddenly those illegals needed to be restricted to Red states. But illegals are still better to have than to not have, we pinky promise swear! Biden just wants to keep those benefits in red states?

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Exactly. Nailed it.

Right, because Texas has no effect on any other state or on the national economy.

It sounds like New York City has had all of the economic stimulation it can handle.

Sam Lowry said:

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Right, because Texas has no effect on any other state or on the national economy.

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We were told Trickle Down Economics was bad. Pls adv.

Those malicious actors include the economic and cultural elites of this country as well as the permanent government & most of both parties.

At some point one has to ask whether the US itself isn’t the malicious actor here. It’s the regime’s country; we Americans just live here. https://t.co/zg5dc3jQy5

— Blair Nathan (@Blair_A_Nathan) September 18, 2023

Wangchung said:

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If illegals had even the SLIGHTEST benefit then the Biden administration would not be attempting to keep them contained in Red states. The border is open to hurt Red states and that was fine until those states started bussing illegals to Blue states. Suddenly it was cruel to bring illegals into a state and suddenly those illegals needed to be restricted to Red states. But illegals are still better to have than to not have, we pinky promise swear! Biden just wants to keep those benefits in red states?

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the larger reason for wanting to keep illegals in red states is that bringing them to blue states undermines blue state support for illegal immigration.

Do Democrats see illegal immigration as a way to undermine GOP control over red states? yes.
Is that the biggest reason this admin (and others) turn a blind eye to illegal immigration? No.

The primary reason we have illegal immigration is because it is the most powerful economic stimulus available to policymakers. Any other perceived benefits are derivative. Dems may actually be overconfident on the political impact of illegal immigration. Without voter fraud, illegals cannot vote, and the children of properly naturalized citizen immigrants tend to be a Republican demographic.

whiterock said:

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Wangchung said:

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If illegals had even the SLIGHTEST benefit then the Biden administration would not be attempting to keep them contained in Red states. The border is open to hurt Red states and that was fine until those states started bussing illegals to Blue states. Suddenly it was cruel to bring illegals into a state and suddenly those illegals needed to be restricted to Red states. But illegals are still better to have than to not have, we pinky promise swear! Biden just wants to keep those benefits in red states?

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the larger reason for wanting to keep illegals in red states is that bringing them to blue states undermines blue state support for illegal immigration.

Do Democrats see illegal immigration as a way to undermine GOP control over red states? yes.
Is that the biggest reason this admin (and others) turn a blind eye to illegal immigration? No.

The primary reason we have illegal immigration is because it is the most powerful economic stimulus available to policymakers. Any other perceived benefits are derivative. Dems may actually be overconfident on the political impact of illegal immigration. Without voter fraud, illegals cannot vote, and the children of properly naturalized citizen immigrants tend to be a Republican demographic.

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I maintain that if the positives of illegal immigration outweighed the negatives then there is no way in hell the Biden administration would be forcing illegals to stay in Red states. If the idea is to shield democrats from the reality of the border situation then it still stands that there is no way the benefits outweigh the negatives. The children of illegals tend to distrust law enforcement and lean left.

Residents are now begging local politicians to “close the borders of Chicago” to stop illegals coming from Texas

96% of this neighborhood voted for Biden pic.twitter.com/WRkBZ4k67K

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) September 18, 2023

Wangchung said:

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whiterock said:

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Wangchung said:

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If illegals had even the SLIGHTEST benefit then the Biden administration would not be attempting to keep them contained in Red states. The border is open to hurt Red states and that was fine until those states started bussing illegals to Blue states. Suddenly it was cruel to bring illegals into a state and suddenly those illegals needed to be restricted to Red states. But illegals are still better to have than to not have, we pinky promise swear! Biden just wants to keep those benefits in red states?

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the larger reason for wanting to keep illegals in red states is that bringing them to blue states undermines blue state support for illegal immigration.

Do Democrats see illegal immigration as a way to undermine GOP control over red states? yes.
Is that the biggest reason this admin (and others) turn a blind eye to illegal immigration? No.

The primary reason we have illegal immigration is because it is the most powerful economic stimulus available to policymakers. Any other perceived benefits are derivative. Dems may actually be overconfident on the political impact of illegal immigration. Without voter fraud, illegals cannot vote, and the children of properly naturalized citizen immigrants tend to be a Republican demographic.

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I maintain that if the positives of illegal immigration outweighed the negatives then there is no way in hell the Biden administration would be forcing illegals to stay in Red states. If the idea is to shield democrats from the reality of the border situation then it still stands that there is no way the benefits outweigh the negatives. The children of illegals tend to distrust law enforcement and lean left.

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He wants to force the immediate flow to stay in non-competitive states, to mitigate effects on the 2024 election.

Abbott's shipments of migrants to big blue cities has had desirable affect on getting the issue in the news, and starting to win the messaging war. Blue state Dems are getting roasted by their own constituents . Now, he should start shipping them to WI, MI, PA..... Use the issue to start turning swing states redder.

Re whether or not positive outweighs negative: In macroeconomic effects, you have to stay macroeconomic....big picture, top-line, etc.... Every time a human being crosses the southern border, the consumption of tacos & toilet paper increases. The key word is consumption. They need a place to live, clothes, food, transportation, etc..... All of that is consumption. And all of that will ensure Dems can say "the economy is growing." It is. Because we are deficit spending on things like millions of migrants. Sure, there are other effects, like deficit spending driving up debt and inflation and crime, etc.... But if you can't say "the economy is growing," nothing else matters. Things like debt & inflation can be blamed on Trump, Republicans, capitalists/ism, Russians, etc...... And the one you will increasingly hear more about - CLIMATE CHANGE. "Why, we have to move to electric cars, end coal mines, tax you with carbon credits, etc....to stop the climate from forcing all these migrants on us." You think that sounds silly? Watch & wait. You will hear Democrats saying that kind of nonsense. It's all they got.

But in purely economic terms, migrants are powerful economic stimulus. Look at the inverse. Pick a number of how many illegals you think are here. 11m? That's Ohio. 15m? That's Massachusetts and New Jersey. 20m? That's Florida or New York. If you could somehow marshal the resources to deport every illegal, it would have impacts on economic growth similar to deporting every citizen of one of those states mentioned. It would be a harsh, instant economic contraction that would take years to overcome. Look at Covid. We're still not thru the aftershocks of shutting the economy down for a couple of months.

What state(s) get the primary benefits of the migrant dynamics doesn't matter, because it all hits the top-line growth number. Texas led the nation in economic growth during most of the Obama admin......so every time Obama made some claim about how good was the economy, he was actually taking credit for a top-line significantly impacted by GOP policies. Good politicians do that - take credit for your opponents' successes; blame your opponents for your own failures. No matter how silly it actually is, do it earnestly and often and if you're good at it it'll keep you competitive. The negative impacts of the illegal immigration problem will be blamed on something/someone other than Democrats. That is going to be a big task for Democrats in 2024. And I don't think it's going to work as well as they need. Illegal immigration is going to be one of the top 2-3 issues in the coming election, and it's going to inflict great pain on Democrats.

yeah, that's messy and chaotic. Welcome to politics.

There’s really not much you can do about this.

Gop or dem won’t do anything about it.

They will come down hard any kind of vigilante justice.

Best move is to get to where your people are and prepare. https://t.co/knu8bDwwIX

— Barbaric Disciple (@barbaricvitalsm) September 20, 2023

Abbott donor making bank of large illegal alien community near Houston.

https://texasscorecard.com/houston/abbott-donor-funds-illegal-alien-housing-project-near-houston/

Texas installed razor wire in Eagle Pass to stop illegal crossings.

Today the Biden Admin CUT that wire, opening the floodgates to illegal immigrants.

I immediately deployed more Texas National Guard to repel illegal crossings & install more razor wire. pic.twitter.com/eMtLS8Z6WI

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) September 20, 2023

Jack Bauer said:

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Texas installed razor wire in Eagle Pass to stop illegal crossings.

Today the Biden Admin CUT that wire, opening the floodgates to illegal immigrants.

I immediately deployed more Texas National Guard to repel illegal crossings & install more razor wire. pic.twitter.com/eMtLS8Z6WI

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) September 20, 2023

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Why are we part of a federal system that does not provide for a common defense?

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Why do you think it is that the economy expanded under Trump when the flow of illegals slowed and many self deported? Why did wages for minorities and entry level positions increase during that time? Could it be that embracing uncontrolled illegal passage into this country hurts our own people and keeps our citizens from improving their own lives? Supporting illegal immigration is not compassionate for our citizens or for the people who make the dangerous trip and are abused by the cartels in the process.

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There's four big macroeconomic levers a POTUS has to work with:
1) Fiscal policy. That's deficit spending + tax cuts + targeted incentives in certain sectors.
2) Monetary policy. That's low/high interest rates to stimulate investment.
3) Regulatory reform. Has a tax-cut effect (without the deficit spending impacts.)
4) Population growth. More people = more consumption (spending).

Obama's big error was that he maxed out on 1 & 2 but then actually increased regulations (Obamacare). Businesses for a couple of years did not really know where the breakeven points were on labor, so you saw an explosion of part-time jobs, which mitigated both investment and consumption, which of course is what 1 & 2 are designed to stimulate. In a sense, one could say Obama had one foot on the gas pedal, and the other on the brake. And his economy sputtered. So what did he do? He looked the other way on the border to keep from running things in the ditch.

Trump ran with tax cuts, still had low interest rates, and engaged in regulatory reform that would have made Reagan blush. And don't overlook energy dominance (lower fuel prices) was very stimulatory fiscal policy.

Biden is screwing the pooch, economically. Trying to build a green economy instead of pursuing energy dominance, and helping supply chains recover from Covid and re-shoring. It's conceptually similar to what Obama did with Obamacare - made what coulda been a pretty good bowl of punch, then dropped a turd in it.