What’s remarkable is that what constitutes a reason for “asylum” now is just being from a Third World country. Which is then promptly duplicated here, but propped up with taxes taken from unhyphenated Americans. https://t.co/H2oyCcLHD9

— James Kirkpatrick (@VDAREJamesK) May 15, 2023

muddybrazos said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

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Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

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Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

Outside PS 17 in Williamsburg, kids chant, “we support asylum seekers but not on school grounds.” pic.twitter.com/35iFNRuxIw

— Gwynne Hogan (@GwynneFitz) May 16, 2023

Marzena Wolert (right) is walking by protest and says she’s “disgusted” “they’re fleeing war and they don’t have a home and you’re not gonna have your gym?” She’s confronted by another woman leaving the protest as she walks by. pic.twitter.com/qWcdoiqMwB

— Gwynne Hogan (@GwynneFitz) May 16, 2023

whiterock said:

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muddybrazos said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

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1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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muddybrazos said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

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1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

You may want to talk to your politicians who declared it a sanctuary.
I guess they assumed the countless migrants would stay in the underpasses of El Paso forever?

NYC public schools are splitting up gym time in order to house migrants, WATCH: pic.twitter.com/PGiCtj289f

— Brian Kilmeade (@kilmeade) May 16, 2023

Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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muddybrazos said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

---

1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

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Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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muddybrazos said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

---

1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

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Redbrick: the resurrected language attack is incredibly weak. The exact/similar vocabulary and syntax were not borrowed/inserted in the modern era. They were extant for millennia, because the two peoples share millennia of history in the same part of the world. The accretion of Yiddish or other languages spoken by returning Jews does not change that.

For sure, anti-Zionists insist Israel is an apartheid state, but that ignores plain facts. All one has to do to blow their propaganda out of the water is take a quick look at the distribution of seats in the Israeli Parliament. You might do that before you proceed.

Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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muddybrazos said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

---

1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

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Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

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50-80 percent, according to the LiveScience link. That's what makes this surprising. It is an interesting study. I look forward to reading Behar's critique when it's published.

Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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muddybrazos said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

---

1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

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Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

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They're not doing that.

Show your work!

whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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muddybrazos said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

---

1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

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Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

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They're not doing that.

Show your work!

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Here you go

Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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muddybrazos said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

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Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

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1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

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Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

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They're not doing that.

Show your work!

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Here you go

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Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

He Hate Me said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

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Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

---

1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

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Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

---

They're not doing that.

Show your work!

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Here you go

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Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

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Henry Kissinger wrote an excellent book about the 1967 event.

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He Hate Me said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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muddybrazos said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

---

1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

---

Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

---

They're not doing that.

Show your work!

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Here you go

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Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

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Henry Kissinger wrote an excellent book about the 1967 event.

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So did Michael Oren / Six Days of War

He Hate Me said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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muddybrazos said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

---

1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

---

Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

---

They're not doing that.

Show your work!

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Here you go

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Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

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Well sure....conquest and colonization happened.

Now if people think that is a good thing thing or bad thing that is up to them.

Lets do a role play: If millions of Mexicans moved to Texas to settle the land and replace the native inhabitants ...welll that is a bad example because it has happend....but you get the idea. Would that be approprate?

Now add to that the Mexican Armed Forces comes in and occupy those majortiy mexican settlement areas with soliders and barbed wire and tanks.

Then they cordon off major roads where light skinned English speaking Texans are not allowed to use....only Mexican-Spanish speaking citizens can use them. English speakers have to go through road blocks, and secuirty checks, and segregated clearance areas daily just to get to work.

And they keep taking pieces of Texas and declaring them to actually be part of Mexico....slowly chewing away at the territory of Texas decade by decade.

And using legal tatics to help Mexican citizens sieze land from Texas citizens in the Courts.

And the Mexican army responds with massive miltary force to any Texas based insurgency groups that attack their forces....including tearing down the homes of Texans who's sons have died resisting the invaders.

That might give you an idea of what is happening there daily.

Redbrickbear said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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muddybrazos said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

---

1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

---

Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

---

They're not doing that.

Show your work!

---

Here you go

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Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

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Well sure....conquest and colonization happened.

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Yeah, 1967 was a war initiated by several Arab armies with the objective of destroying the Jewish state. 1967 was a defensive war by Israel that wound up routing the Arab initiators. In 1948, there was no sovereign to conquer. The land was the British Mandate of Palestine. The Jews were not conquering the British and they were not colonizing any land the British wanted to hold onto.

He Hate Me said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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muddybrazos said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

---

1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

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Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

---

They're not doing that.

Show your work!

---

Here you go

---

Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

---

Well sure....conquest and colonization happened.

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Yeah, 1967 was a war initiated by several Arab armies with the objective of destroying the Jewish state. 1967 was a defensive war by Israel that wound up routing the Arab initiators. In 1948, there was no sovereign to conquer. The land was the British Mandate of Palestine. The Jews were not conquering the British and they were not colonizing any land the British wanted to hold onto.

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The Brtish did not own land in Palestine in 1948.

They held the area as a short term governing mandate as stipulated by the League of Nations.

They had no authority to give away any land from the indigenous population or displace anyone from the area.

This is of course after the British siezed the area from the Turkish Ottoman Empire during World War I.

The British never had nor claimed to have exclusive sovereignty over Palesinte....merely administravite control under the authoirty of a short term mandate.

Nor does a Isreali victory in the 1967 war give them the right to forever occpuy the West Bank (the agreed apon international homeland and State of the Palestineian people)

He Hate Me said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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muddybrazos said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

---

1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

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Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

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They're not doing that.

Show your work!

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Here you go

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Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

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Also, Germany lost a lot of its land around 1945- tragic!

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

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Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

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Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

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1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

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Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

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They're not doing that.

Show your work!

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Here you go

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Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

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Henry Kissinger wrote an excellent book about the 1967 event.

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So did Michael Oren / Six Days of War

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Haven't read that one but the one I did read by Kissinger backs up much of what you're saying .

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

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1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

---

Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

---

They're not doing that.

Show your work!

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Here you go

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Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

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Well sure....conquest and colonization happened.

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Yeah, 1967 was a war initiated by several Arab armies with the objective of destroying the Jewish state. 1967 was a defensive war by Israel that wound up routing the Arab initiators. In 1948, there was no sovereign to conquer. The land was the British Mandate of Palestine. The Jews were not conquering the British and they were not colonizing any land the British wanted to hold onto.

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The Brtish did not own land in Palestine in 1948.

They held the area as a short term governing mandate as stipulated by the League of Nations.

They had no authority to give away any land from the indigenous population or displace anyone from the area.

This is of course after the British siezed the area from the Turkish Ottoman Empire during World War I.

The British never had nor claimed to have exclusive sovereignty over Palesinte....merely administravite control under the authoirty of a short term mandate.

Nor does a Isreali victory in the 1967 war give them the right to forever occpuy the West Bank (the agreed apon international homeland and State of the Palestineian people)

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The West Bank was ceded by the Hashemite Kingdom of Trans-Jordan following their failed attempt in 1967 to push the Jews into the sea. The Jews have a political, historical, and religious basis to occupy the land which goes back Abraham purchasing the cave at Machpelah / Hebron to bury his wife, Sarah.

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You will have to take that up with the international community

Everyone...incliding the United States government agrees to the idea that the West Bank should be the home of a Palestinian State.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution

Most Israeli citizens even agree that there should be a Palestinian State in the West Bank

[Many Palestinians and Israelis, as well as the Arab League, have stated that they would accept a two-state solution based on 1949 Armistice Agreements, more commonly referred to as the "1967 borders". In a 2002 poll conducted by PIPA, 72% of both Palestinians and Israelis supported at that time a peace settlement based on the 1967 borders so long as each group could be reassured that the other side would be cooperative in making the necessary concessions for such a settlement. A 2013 Gallup poll found 70% of Palestinians in the West Bank and 48% of Palestinians in Gaza Strip, together with 52% of Israelis supporting "an independent Palestinian state together with the state of Israel".]

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

---

1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

---

Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

---

They're not doing that.

Show your work!

---

Here you go

---

Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

---

Well sure....conquest and colonization happened.

---

Yeah, 1967 was a war initiated by several Arab armies with the objective of destroying the Jewish state. 1967 was a defensive war by Israel that wound up routing the Arab initiators. In 1948, there was no sovereign to conquer. The land was the British Mandate of Palestine. The Jews were not conquering the British and they were not colonizing any land the British wanted to hold onto.

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The Brtish did not own land in Palestine in 1948.

They held the area as a short term governing mandate as stipulated by the League of Nations.

They had no authority to give away any land from the indigenous population or displace anyone from the area.

This is of course after the British siezed the area from the Turkish Ottoman Empire during World War I.

The British never had nor claimed to have exclusive sovereignty over Palesinte....merely administravite control under the authoirty of a short term mandate.

Nor does a Isreali victory in the 1967 war give them the right to forever occpuy the West Bank (the agreed apon international homeland and State of the Palestineian people)

---

The West Bank was ceded by the Hashemite Kingdom of Trans-Jordan following their failed attempt in 1967 to push the Jews into the sea. The Jews have a political, historical, and religious basis to occupy the land which goes back Abraham purchasing the cave at Machpelah / Hebron to bury his wife, Sarah.

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You will have to take that up with the international community

Everyone...incliding the United States government agrees to the idea that the West Bank should be the home of a Palestinian State.

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The international community did not own the West Bank of Trans-Jordan. Trans-Jordan did and ceded the West Bank. That is why it is no longer called "Trans-Jordan," because the nation does not span across the Jordan River. What Palestinian State exists that would call Judea and Samaria home?

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

---

1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

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Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

---

They're not doing that.

Show your work!

---

Here you go

---

Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

---

Well sure....conquest and colonization happened.

---

Yeah, 1967 was a war initiated by several Arab armies with the objective of destroying the Jewish state. 1967 was a defensive war by Israel that wound up routing the Arab initiators. In 1948, there was no sovereign to conquer. The land was the British Mandate of Palestine. The Jews were not conquering the British and they were not colonizing any land the British wanted to hold onto.

---

The Brtish did not own land in Palestine in 1948.

They held the area as a short term governing mandate as stipulated by the League of Nations.

They had no authority to give away any land from the indigenous population or displace anyone from the area.

This is of course after the British siezed the area from the Turkish Ottoman Empire during World War I.

The British never had nor claimed to have exclusive sovereignty over Palesinte....merely administravite control under the authoirty of a short term mandate.

Nor does a Isreali victory in the 1967 war give them the right to forever occpuy the West Bank (the agreed apon international homeland and State of the Palestineian people)

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At what point does or did Israel lose the right to defend itself?
Please provide an actual date.

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No one said they don't have a right to defend themselves....what they don't have is the right to occupy the West Bank forever and keep millions of arabs under miltary occupation and Apartheid conditions.

Again....think back to the Mexico-Texas example.

Would you as a Texan accept endless Mexican army occpuation of Central Texas?

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He Hate Me said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

---

1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

---

Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

---

They're not doing that.

Show your work!

---

Here you go

---

Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

---

Well sure....conquest and colonization happened.

---

Yeah, 1967 was a war initiated by several Arab armies with the objective of destroying the Jewish state. 1967 was a defensive war by Israel that wound up routing the Arab initiators. In 1948, there was no sovereign to conquer. The land was the British Mandate of Palestine. The Jews were not conquering the British and they were not colonizing any land the British wanted to hold onto.

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The Brtish did not own land in Palestine in 1948.

They held the area as a short term governing mandate as stipulated by the League of Nations.

They had no authority to give away any land from the indigenous population or displace anyone from the area.

This is of course after the British siezed the area from the Turkish Ottoman Empire during World War I.

The British never had nor claimed to have exclusive sovereignty over Palesinte....merely administravite control under the authoirty of a short term mandate.

Nor does a Isreali victory in the 1967 war give them the right to forever occpuy the West Bank (the agreed apon international homeland and State of the Palestineian people)

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At what point does or did Israel lose the right to defend itself?
Please provide an actual date.

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No one said they don't have a right to defend themselves....what they don't have is the right to occupy the West Bank forever and keep millions of arabs under miltary occupation and Apartheid conditions.

Again....think back to the Mexico-Texas example.

Would you as a Texan accept endless Mexican army occpuation of Central Texas?

---

If the United States and Guatemala, with help from Canada, Cuba and a few other nearby nations, sought to invade and destroy the country of Mexico, but Mexico fought back, took over vast areas of Texas and put an army in McLane stadium, maybe I would just have to accept the reality on the ground and consider that I had overplayed my hand.

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That is an extremely interesting statement to make.

I guess you are just more accepting of long term foreign occupation than other people.

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He Hate Me said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

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Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

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Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

---

1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

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Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

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They're not doing that.

Show your work!

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Here you go

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Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

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Well sure....conquest and colonization happened.

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Yeah, 1967 was a war initiated by several Arab armies with the objective of destroying the Jewish state. 1967 was a defensive war by Israel that wound up routing the Arab initiators. In 1948, there was no sovereign to conquer. The land was the British Mandate of Palestine. The Jews were not conquering the British and they were not colonizing any land the British wanted to hold onto.

---

The Brtish did not own land in Palestine in 1948.

They held the area as a short term governing mandate as stipulated by the League of Nations.

They had no authority to give away any land from the indigenous population or displace anyone from the area.

This is of course after the British siezed the area from the Turkish Ottoman Empire during World War I.

The British never had nor claimed to have exclusive sovereignty over Palesinte....merely administravite control under the authoirty of a short term mandate.

Nor does a Isreali victory in the 1967 war give them the right to forever occpuy the West Bank (the agreed apon international homeland and State of the Palestineian people)

---

At what point does or did Israel lose the right to defend itself?
Please provide an actual date.

---

No one said they don't have a right to defend themselves....what they don't have is the right to occupy the West Bank forever and keep millions of arabs under miltary occupation and Apartheid conditions.

Again....think back to the Mexico-Texas example.

Would you as a Texan accept endless Mexican army occpuation of Central Texas?

---

If the United States and Guatemala, with help from Canada, Cuba and a few other nearby nations, sought to invade and destroy the country of Mexico, but Mexico fought back, took over vast areas of Texas and put an army in McLane stadium, maybe I would just have to accept the reality on the ground and consider that I had overplayed my hand.

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That is an extremely interesting statement to make.

I guess you are just more accepting of long term foreign occupation than other people.

---

Or maybe I would suggest negotiating a settlement that would involve Mexican security and Texas being returned to the United States instead of holding on to the dream of destroying Mexico and driving them into the sea.

You still haven't answered the question: when should Israel withdraw from the areas that they occupied while fighting a war that has not yet ended?

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D. C. Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

---

1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

---

That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

---

Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

---

They're not doing that.

Show your work!

---

Here you go

---

Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

---

Well sure....conquest and colonization happened.

---

Yeah, 1967 was a war initiated by several Arab armies with the objective of destroying the Jewish state. 1967 was a defensive war by Israel that wound up routing the Arab initiators. In 1948, there was no sovereign to conquer. The land was the British Mandate of Palestine. The Jews were not conquering the British and they were not colonizing any land the British wanted to hold onto.

---

The Brtish did not own land in Palestine in 1948.

They held the area as a short term governing mandate as stipulated by the League of Nations.

They had no authority to give away any land from the indigenous population or displace anyone from the area.

This is of course after the British siezed the area from the Turkish Ottoman Empire during World War I.

The British never had nor claimed to have exclusive sovereignty over Palesinte....merely administravite control under the authoirty of a short term mandate.

Nor does a Isreali victory in the 1967 war give them the right to forever occpuy the West Bank (the agreed apon international homeland and State of the Palestineian people)

---

At what point does or did Israel lose the right to defend itself?
Please provide an actual date.

---

No one said they don't have a right to defend themselves....what they don't have is the right to occupy the West Bank forever and keep millions of arabs under miltary occupation and Apartheid conditions.

Again....think back to the Mexico-Texas example.

Would you as a Texan accept endless Mexican army occpuation of Central Texas?

---

If the United States and Guatemala, with help from Canada, Cuba and a few other nearby nations, sought to invade and destroy the country of Mexico, but Mexico fought back, took over vast areas of Texas and put an army in McLane stadium, maybe I would just have to accept the reality on the ground and consider that I had overplayed my hand.

---

That is an extremely interesting statement to make.

I guess you are just more accepting of long term foreign occupation than other people.

---

Or maybe I would suggest negotiating a settlement that would involve Mexican security and Texas being returned to the United States instead of holding on to the dream of destroying Mexico and driving them into the sea.

You still haven't answered the question: when should Israel withdraw from the areas that they occupied while fighting a war that has not yet ended?

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What is your proof that the majority of Palestinians want to "drive Israel into the sea"?

In fact "69% of the population of Palestine is below the age of 29"...they are young urban and have no desire to try and destroy the Israeli State....nor do they have the means to defeat a nuclear armed 1st world nation like Israel.

I have already shown you polls where a majority of Palestinians and Israeli's favor the two state solution.

[The survey, entitled "Prospect, Peace and Politics: Where do Palestinians Stand?" polled 953 Palestinians living in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip 467 men and 486 women over the course of two weeks from April 28 until May 11. The survey was publicized as a part of Arab News'
It was conducted online in English and Arabic. Most of the respondents were between the ages of 25 and 45, and only about half of respondents reported having any kind of employment.
Almost two-thirds of those surveyed 63% expressed that they felt represented neither by the Hamas political party nor the Fatah party. And three-quarters reported a belief that the Palestinian Authority leadership is not capable of making peace with the Israeli government.
In terms of the geopolitical future of the region, the second most popular option after a two-state solution (most popular answer) was the creation of a single Israeli-Palestinian secular state, which 21% of respondents supported.]

Why don't you favor a two State solution....what gives you a right to be more of a war monger than the majority of Israeli and Palestinian citizens?

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D. C. Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

---

Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

---

1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

---

That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

---

Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

---

They're not doing that.

Show your work!

---

Here you go

---

Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

---

Well sure....conquest and colonization happened.

---

Yeah, 1967 was a war initiated by several Arab armies with the objective of destroying the Jewish state. 1967 was a defensive war by Israel that wound up routing the Arab initiators. In 1948, there was no sovereign to conquer. The land was the British Mandate of Palestine. The Jews were not conquering the British and they were not colonizing any land the British wanted to hold onto.

---

The Brtish did not own land in Palestine in 1948.

They held the area as a short term governing mandate as stipulated by the League of Nations.

They had no authority to give away any land from the indigenous population or displace anyone from the area.

This is of course after the British siezed the area from the Turkish Ottoman Empire during World War I.

The British never had nor claimed to have exclusive sovereignty over Palesinte....merely administravite control under the authoirty of a short term mandate.

Nor does a Isreali victory in the 1967 war give them the right to forever occpuy the West Bank (the agreed apon international homeland and State of the Palestineian people)

---

At what point does or did Israel lose the right to defend itself?
Please provide an actual date.

---

No one said they don't have a right to defend themselves....what they don't have is the right to occupy the West Bank forever and keep millions of arabs under miltary occupation and Apartheid conditions.

Again....think back to the Mexico-Texas example.

Would you as a Texan accept endless Mexican army occpuation of Central Texas?

---

If the United States and Guatemala, with help from Canada, Cuba and a few other nearby nations, sought to invade and destroy the country of Mexico, but Mexico fought back, took over vast areas of Texas and put an army in McLane stadium, maybe I would just have to accept the reality on the ground and consider that I had overplayed my hand.

---

That is an extremely interesting statement to make.

I guess you are just more accepting of long term foreign occupation than other people.

---

Or maybe I would suggest negotiating a settlement that would involve Mexican security and Texas being returned to the United States instead of holding on to the dream of destroying Mexico and driving them into the sea.

You still haven't answered the question: when should Israel withdraw from the areas that they occupied while fighting a war that has not yet ended?

---

What is your proof that the majority of Palestinians want to "drive Israel into the sea"?

In fact "69% of the population of Palestine is below the age of 29"...they are young urban and have no desire to try and destroy the Israeli State....nor do they have the means to defeat a nuclear armed 1st world nation like Israel.

I have already shown you polls where a majority of Palestinians and Israeli's favor the two state solution.

[The survey, entitled "Prospect, Peace and Politics: Where do Palestinians Stand?" polled 953 Palestinians living in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip 467 men and 486 women over the course of two weeks from April 28 until May 11. The survey was publicized as a part of Arab News'
It was conducted online in English and Arabic. Most of the respondents were between the ages of 25 and 45, and only about half of respondents reported having any kind of employment.
Almost two-thirds of those surveyed 63% expressed that they felt represented neither by the Hamas political party nor the Fatah party. And three-quarters reported a belief that the Palestinian Authority leadership is not capable of making peace with the Israeli government.
In terms of the geopolitical future of the region, the second most popular option after a two-state solution (most popular answer) was the creation of a single Israeli-Palestinian secular state, which 21% of respondents supported.]

Why don't you favor a two State solution....what gives you a right to be more of a war monger than the majority of Israeli and Palestinian citizens?

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I made no reference to any polling or public opinion and I am in favor of a two-state solution provided it ends the conflict.

You still haven't answered the question about when Israel should withdraw or should have withdrawn, either by date or condition. You don't think Israel should be there forever, so when should they leave?

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Redbrickbear said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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muddybrazos said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

---

Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

---

1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

---

That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

---

Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

---

They're not doing that.

Show your work!

---

Here you go

---

Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

---

Well sure....conquest and colonization happened.

---

Yeah, 1967 was a war initiated by several Arab armies with the objective of destroying the Jewish state. 1967 was a defensive war by Israel that wound up routing the Arab initiators. In 1948, there was no sovereign to conquer. The land was the British Mandate of Palestine. The Jews were not conquering the British and they were not colonizing any land the British wanted to hold onto.

---

The Brtish did not own land in Palestine in 1948.

They held the area as a short term governing mandate as stipulated by the League of Nations.

They had no authority to give away any land from the indigenous population or displace anyone from the area.

This is of course after the British siezed the area from the Turkish Ottoman Empire during World War I.

The British never had nor claimed to have exclusive sovereignty over Palesinte....merely administravite control under the authoirty of a short term mandate.

Nor does a Isreali victory in the 1967 war give them the right to forever occpuy the West Bank (the agreed apon international homeland and State of the Palestineian people)

---

At what point does or did Israel lose the right to defend itself?
Please provide an actual date.

---

No one said they don't have a right to defend themselves....what they don't have is the right to occupy the West Bank forever and keep millions of arabs under miltary occupation and Apartheid conditions.

Again....think back to the Mexico-Texas example.

Would you as a Texan accept endless Mexican army occpuation of Central Texas?

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If the United States and Guatemala, with help from Canada, Cuba and a few other nearby nations, sought to invade and destroy the country of Mexico, but Mexico fought back, took over vast areas of Texas and put an army in McLane stadium, maybe I would just have to accept the reality on the ground and consider that I had overplayed my hand.

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That is an extremely interesting statement to make.

I guess you are just more accepting of long term foreign occupation than other people.

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Or maybe I would suggest negotiating a settlement that would involve Mexican security and Texas being returned to the United States instead of holding on to the dream of destroying Mexico and driving them into the sea.

You still haven't answered the question: when should Israel withdraw from the areas that they occupied while fighting a war that has not yet ended?

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What is your proof that the majority of Palestinians want to "drive Israel into the sea"?

In fact "69% of the population of Palestine is below the age of 29"...they are young urban and have no desire to try and destroy the Israeli State....nor do they have the means to defeat a nuclear armed 1st world nation like Israel.

I have already shown you polls where a majority of Palestinians and Israeli's favor the two state solution.

[The survey, entitled "Prospect, Peace and Politics: Where do Palestinians Stand?" polled 953 Palestinians living in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip 467 men and 486 women over the course of two weeks from April 28 until May 11. The survey was publicized as a part of Arab News'
It was conducted online in English and Arabic. Most of the respondents were between the ages of 25 and 45, and only about half of respondents reported having any kind of employment.
Almost two-thirds of those surveyed 63% expressed that they felt represented neither by the Hamas political party nor the Fatah party. And three-quarters reported a belief that the Palestinian Authority leadership is not capable of making peace with the Israeli government.
In terms of the geopolitical future of the region, the second most popular option after a two-state solution (most popular answer) was the creation of a single Israeli-Palestinian secular state, which 21% of respondents supported.]

Why don't you favor a two State solution....what gives you a right to be more of a war monger than the majority of Israeli and Palestinian citizens?

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I made no reference to any polling or public opinion and I am in favor of a two-state solution provided it ends the conflict.

You still haven't answered the question about when Israel should withdraw or should have withdrawn, either by date or condition. You don't think Israel should be there forever, so when should they leave?

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Why not now? Why not today?

They pulled out of Gaza and stopped occupying the land in 2005

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza

So let's not pretend like Israel can't pull out of the West Bank.

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

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Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

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Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

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1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

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Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

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They're not doing that.

Show your work!

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Here you go

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Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

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Well sure....conquest and colonization happened.

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Yeah, 1967 was a war initiated by several Arab armies with the objective of destroying the Jewish state. 1967 was a defensive war by Israel that wound up routing the Arab initiators. In 1948, there was no sovereign to conquer. The land was the British Mandate of Palestine. The Jews were not conquering the British and they were not colonizing any land the British wanted to hold onto.

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The Brtish did not own land in Palestine in 1948.

They held the area as a short term governing mandate as stipulated by the League of Nations.

They had no authority to give away any land from the indigenous population or displace anyone from the area.

This is of course after the British siezed the area from the Turkish Ottoman Empire during World War I.

The British never had nor claimed to have exclusive sovereignty over Palesinte....merely administravite control under the authoirty of a short term mandate.

Nor does a Isreali victory in the 1967 war give them the right to forever occpuy the West Bank (the agreed apon international homeland and State of the Palestineian people)

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At what point does or did Israel lose the right to defend itself?
Please provide an actual date.

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No one said they don't have a right to defend themselves....what they don't have is the right to occupy the West Bank forever and keep millions of arabs under miltary occupation and Apartheid conditions.

Again....think back to the Mexico-Texas example.

Would you as a Texan accept endless Mexican army occpuation of Central Texas?

---

If the United States and Guatemala, with help from Canada, Cuba and a few other nearby nations, sought to invade and destroy the country of Mexico, but Mexico fought back, took over vast areas of Texas and put an army in McLane stadium, maybe I would just have to accept the reality on the ground and consider that I had overplayed my hand.

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That is an extremely interesting statement to make.

I guess you are just more accepting of long term foreign occupation than other people.

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Or maybe I would suggest negotiating a settlement that would involve Mexican security and Texas being returned to the United States instead of holding on to the dream of destroying Mexico and driving them into the sea.

You still haven't answered the question: when should Israel withdraw from the areas that they occupied while fighting a war that has not yet ended?

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What is your proof that the majority of Palestinians want to "drive Israel into the sea"?

In fact "69% of the population of Palestine is below the age of 29"...they are young urban and have no desire to try and destroy the Israeli State....nor do they have the means to defeat a nuclear armed 1st world nation like Israel.

I have already shown you polls where a majority of Palestinians and Israeli's favor the two state solution.

[The survey, entitled "Prospect, Peace and Politics: Where do Palestinians Stand?" polled 953 Palestinians living in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip 467 men and 486 women over the course of two weeks from April 28 until May 11. The survey was publicized as a part of Arab News'
It was conducted online in English and Arabic. Most of the respondents were between the ages of 25 and 45, and only about half of respondents reported having any kind of employment.
Almost two-thirds of those surveyed 63% expressed that they felt represented neither by the Hamas political party nor the Fatah party. And three-quarters reported a belief that the Palestinian Authority leadership is not capable of making peace with the Israeli government.
In terms of the geopolitical future of the region, the second most popular option after a two-state solution (most popular answer) was the creation of a single Israeli-Palestinian secular state, which 21% of respondents supported.]

Why don't you favor a two State solution....what gives you a right to be more of a war monger than the majority of Israeli and Palestinian citizens?

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I made no reference to any polling or public opinion and I am in favor of a two-state solution provided it ends the conflict.

You still haven't answered the question about when Israel should withdraw or should have withdrawn, either by date or condition. You don't think Israel should be there forever, so when should they leave?

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Why not now? Why not today?

They pulled out of Gaza and stopped occupying the land in 2005

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza

So let's not pretend like Israel can't pull out of the West Bank.

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Let's not pretend Russia can't pull out of Crimea, either. That aside, would you advise Israel to unilaterally withdraw from the West Bank?

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

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Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

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1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

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Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

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They're not doing that.

Show your work!

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Here you go

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Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

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Well sure....conquest and colonization happened.

---

Yeah, 1967 was a war initiated by several Arab armies with the objective of destroying the Jewish state. 1967 was a defensive war by Israel that wound up routing the Arab initiators. In 1948, there was no sovereign to conquer. The land was the British Mandate of Palestine. The Jews were not conquering the British and they were not colonizing any land the British wanted to hold onto.

---

The Brtish did not own land in Palestine in 1948.

They held the area as a short term governing mandate as stipulated by the League of Nations.

They had no authority to give away any land from the indigenous population or displace anyone from the area.

This is of course after the British siezed the area from the Turkish Ottoman Empire during World War I.

The British never had nor claimed to have exclusive sovereignty over Palesinte....merely administravite control under the authoirty of a short term mandate.

Nor does a Isreali victory in the 1967 war give them the right to forever occpuy the West Bank (the agreed apon international homeland and State of the Palestineian people)

---

At what point does or did Israel lose the right to defend itself?
Please provide an actual date.

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No one said they don't have a right to defend themselves....what they don't have is the right to occupy the West Bank forever and keep millions of arabs under miltary occupation and Apartheid conditions.

Again....think back to the Mexico-Texas example.

Would you as a Texan accept endless Mexican army occpuation of Central Texas?

---

If the United States and Guatemala, with help from Canada, Cuba and a few other nearby nations, sought to invade and destroy the country of Mexico, but Mexico fought back, took over vast areas of Texas and put an army in McLane stadium, maybe I would just have to accept the reality on the ground and consider that I had overplayed my hand.

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That is an extremely interesting statement to make.

I guess you are just more accepting of long term foreign occupation than other people.

---

Or maybe I would suggest negotiating a settlement that would involve Mexican security and Texas being returned to the United States instead of holding on to the dream of destroying Mexico and driving them into the sea.

You still haven't answered the question: when should Israel withdraw from the areas that they occupied while fighting a war that has not yet ended?

---

What is your proof that the majority of Palestinians want to "drive Israel into the sea"?

In fact "69% of the population of Palestine is below the age of 29"...they are young urban and have no desire to try and destroy the Israeli State....nor do they have the means to defeat a nuclear armed 1st world nation like Israel.

I have already shown you polls where a majority of Palestinians and Israeli's favor the two state solution.

[The survey, entitled "Prospect, Peace and Politics: Where do Palestinians Stand?" polled 953 Palestinians living in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip 467 men and 486 women over the course of two weeks from April 28 until May 11. The survey was publicized as a part of Arab News'
It was conducted online in English and Arabic. Most of the respondents were between the ages of 25 and 45, and only about half of respondents reported having any kind of employment.
Almost two-thirds of those surveyed 63% expressed that they felt represented neither by the Hamas political party nor the Fatah party. And three-quarters reported a belief that the Palestinian Authority leadership is not capable of making peace with the Israeli government.
In terms of the geopolitical future of the region, the second most popular option after a two-state solution (most popular answer) was the creation of a single Israeli-Palestinian secular state, which 21% of respondents supported.]

Why don't you favor a two State solution....what gives you a right to be more of a war monger than the majority of Israeli and Palestinian citizens?

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I made no reference to any polling or public opinion and I am in favor of a two-state solution provided it ends the conflict.

You still haven't answered the question about when Israel should withdraw or should have withdrawn, either by date or condition. You don't think Israel should be there forever, so when should they leave?

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Why not now? Why not today?

They pulled out of Gaza and stopped occupying the land in 2005

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza

So let's not pretend like Israel can't pull out of the West Bank.

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Let's not pretend Russia can't pull out of Crimea, either. That aside, would you advise Israel to unilaterally withdraw from the West Bank?

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Sure why not?

Israel does not have a right to the West Bank.

And Russia does not have a right to Crimea.

Well, you know there's a statue. Sorry. https://t.co/mGd3zoWogY

— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) May 18, 2023

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

---

Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

---

Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

---

1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

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Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

---

They're not doing that.

Show your work!

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Here you go

---

Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

---

Well sure....conquest and colonization happened.

---

Yeah, 1967 was a war initiated by several Arab armies with the objective of destroying the Jewish state. 1967 was a defensive war by Israel that wound up routing the Arab initiators. In 1948, there was no sovereign to conquer. The land was the British Mandate of Palestine. The Jews were not conquering the British and they were not colonizing any land the British wanted to hold onto.

---

The Brtish did not own land in Palestine in 1948.

They held the area as a short term governing mandate as stipulated by the League of Nations.

They had no authority to give away any land from the indigenous population or displace anyone from the area.

This is of course after the British siezed the area from the Turkish Ottoman Empire during World War I.

The British never had nor claimed to have exclusive sovereignty over Palesinte....merely administravite control under the authoirty of a short term mandate.

Nor does a Isreali victory in the 1967 war give them the right to forever occpuy the West Bank (the agreed apon international homeland and State of the Palestineian people)

---

At what point does or did Israel lose the right to defend itself?
Please provide an actual date.

---

No one said they don't have a right to defend themselves....what they don't have is the right to occupy the West Bank forever and keep millions of arabs under miltary occupation and Apartheid conditions.

Again....think back to the Mexico-Texas example.

Would you as a Texan accept endless Mexican army occpuation of Central Texas?

---

If the United States and Guatemala, with help from Canada, Cuba and a few other nearby nations, sought to invade and destroy the country of Mexico, but Mexico fought back, took over vast areas of Texas and put an army in McLane stadium, maybe I would just have to accept the reality on the ground and consider that I had overplayed my hand.

---

That is an extremely interesting statement to make.

I guess you are just more accepting of long term foreign occupation than other people.

---

Or maybe I would suggest negotiating a settlement that would involve Mexican security and Texas being returned to the United States instead of holding on to the dream of destroying Mexico and driving them into the sea.

You still haven't answered the question: when should Israel withdraw from the areas that they occupied while fighting a war that has not yet ended?

---

What is your proof that the majority of Palestinians want to "drive Israel into the sea"?

In fact "69% of the population of Palestine is below the age of 29"...they are young urban and have no desire to try and destroy the Israeli State....nor do they have the means to defeat a nuclear armed 1st world nation like Israel.

I have already shown you polls where a majority of Palestinians and Israeli's favor the two state solution.

[The survey, entitled "Prospect, Peace and Politics: Where do Palestinians Stand?" polled 953 Palestinians living in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip 467 men and 486 women over the course of two weeks from April 28 until May 11. The survey was publicized as a part of Arab News'
It was conducted online in English and Arabic. Most of the respondents were between the ages of 25 and 45, and only about half of respondents reported having any kind of employment.
Almost two-thirds of those surveyed 63% expressed that they felt represented neither by the Hamas political party nor the Fatah party. And three-quarters reported a belief that the Palestinian Authority leadership is not capable of making peace with the Israeli government.
In terms of the geopolitical future of the region, the second most popular option after a two-state solution (most popular answer) was the creation of a single Israeli-Palestinian secular state, which 21% of respondents supported.]

Why don't you favor a two State solution....what gives you a right to be more of a war monger than the majority of Israeli and Palestinian citizens?

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I made no reference to any polling or public opinion and I am in favor of a two-state solution provided it ends the conflict.

You still haven't answered the question about when Israel should withdraw or should have withdrawn, either by date or condition. You don't think Israel should be there forever, so when should they leave?

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Why not now? Why not today?

They pulled out of Gaza and stopped occupying the land in 2005

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza

So let's not pretend like Israel can't pull out of the West Bank.

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Let's not pretend Russia can't pull out of Crimea, either. That aside, would you advise Israel to unilaterally withdraw from the West Bank?

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Sure why not?

Israel does not have a right to the West Bank.

And Russia does not have a right to Crimea.

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What do you think would happen if Israel unilaterally withdrew from the parts of the West Bank it administers?

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Redbrickbear said:

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An immigrant on Iranian television complains that there are a lot of Finns in Finland. “It’s just Finns and Finns and Finns. and everywhere you look, there are just Finns.” pic.twitter.com/7HpsMdAwtD

— Mike (@Doranimated) May 15, 2023

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Japan is like that.
And China.
and almost all of Africa, the Middle East, much of Latin America, etc......

But they can't be racists, because they are not white.......

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Dont forget Israel. They get to maintain an ethnostate while they say everywhere in Europe & the west has to be for all people.

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Israel is a great example. Sometimes their white. Sometime POCs. But always they are depicted as a different race from the peoples they live amongst, even though they are in many cases indistinguishable by color and texture of skin & hair. They even speak a related language, sharing some words that are identical or intelligibly similar. And, of course, the Philistines have full franchise in the Israeli parliamentary democracy, so the allegations of a racial apartheid state are particularly stretched. The big difference is religion; one refuses to live with the other.

"If Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
--Benjamin Netanyahu

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1. They speak a related language only because they literary just the other day reconstructed Hebrew as a living modern language...it was a dead language before that. So the jews of Europe and the other areas cast off speaking polish, russian, and german in favor a revived language to give their occupation of the land some indigenous validity.

[Having ceased to be a dead language in the 19th century, today's Hebrew serves as the only successful large-scale example of linguistic revival.]

2. Its laughable to pretend that Israel is not an apartheid state...of course it is. And has been condemned as such by almost every international organization that has looked into it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-hrw-apartheid-state/
[Yes, Israel Is Obviously an Apartheid State]

3. Leaving aside other jewish groups in Israel...a large percentage of the population is Ashkenazi jewish and the Ashkenazi are most certainly of majority European decent. They have only a tenuous claim to being descended from ancient Levant populations. Certainly far less of a clam than the Palestinians, Druze, and other groups currently living there.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

[The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism]

https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

[Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim, who make up roughly 80% of the world's Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

4. The Palestinians feel that if they laid down their arms it would just allow Israel to more completely finish off the absorption of the West Bank (their country) into Israel proper.

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That doesn't mean they didn't originally come from Israel. It probably just means they intermarried more than we thought.

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Yes, no doubt a small part of their paternal ancestry came from the Levant around 2,000 years ago.

And much more of it from Europe.

Again does that give them the right after 2,000 years of living in Poland, Lithuania, or Russia to then take the homes of the Palestinians and force them out of some where they have lived for centuries?

My DNA test says I have some small percentage of Basque ancestry. Do I get to return today to northern Spain with my friends and family and destroy the homes of the people who live there and take it over?

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They're not doing that.

Show your work!

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Here you go

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Seems like something politically significant occurred in 1917, 1948, and 1967 that might help explain those maps.

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Well sure....conquest and colonization happened.

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Yeah, 1967 was a war initiated by several Arab armies with the objective of destroying the Jewish state. 1967 was a defensive war by Israel that wound up routing the Arab initiators. In 1948, there was no sovereign to conquer. The land was the British Mandate of Palestine. The Jews were not conquering the British and they were not colonizing any land the British wanted to hold onto.

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The Brtish did not own land in Palestine in 1948.

They held the area as a short term governing mandate as stipulated by the League of Nations.

They had no authority to give away any land from the indigenous population or displace anyone from the area.

This is of course after the British siezed the area from the Turkish Ottoman Empire during World War I.

The British never had nor claimed to have exclusive sovereignty over Palesinte....merely administravite control under the authoirty of a short term mandate.

Nor does a Isreali victory in the 1967 war give them the right to forever occpuy the West Bank (the agreed apon international homeland and State of the Palestineian people)

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At what point does or did Israel lose the right to defend itself?
Please provide an actual date.

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No one said they don't have a right to defend themselves....what they don't have is the right to occupy the West Bank forever and keep millions of arabs under miltary occupation and Apartheid conditions.

Again....think back to the Mexico-Texas example.

Would you as a Texan accept endless Mexican army occpuation of Central Texas?

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If the United States and Guatemala, with help from Canada, Cuba and a few other nearby nations, sought to invade and destroy the country of Mexico, but Mexico fought back, took over vast areas of Texas and put an army in McLane stadium, maybe I would just have to accept the reality on the ground and consider that I had overplayed my hand.

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That is an extremely interesting statement to make.

I guess you are just more accepting of long term foreign occupation than other people.

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Or maybe I would suggest negotiating a settlement that would involve Mexican security and Texas being returned to the United States instead of holding on to the dream of destroying Mexico and driving them into the sea.

You still haven't answered the question: when should Israel withdraw from the areas that they occupied while fighting a war that has not yet ended?

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What is your proof that the majority of Palestinians want to "drive Israel into the sea"?

In fact "69% of the population of Palestine is below the age of 29"...they are young urban and have no desire to try and destroy the Israeli State....nor do they have the means to defeat a nuclear armed 1st world nation like Israel.

I have already shown you polls where a majority of Palestinians and Israeli's favor the two state solution.

[The survey, entitled "Prospect, Peace and Politics: Where do Palestinians Stand?" polled 953 Palestinians living in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip 467 men and 486 women over the course of two weeks from April 28 until May 11. The survey was publicized as a part of Arab News'
It was conducted online in English and Arabic. Most of the respondents were between the ages of 25 and 45, and only about half of respondents reported having any kind of employment.
Almost two-thirds of those surveyed 63% expressed that they felt represented neither by the Hamas political party nor the Fatah party. And three-quarters reported a belief that the Palestinian Authority leadership is not capable of making peace with the Israeli government.
In terms of the geopolitical future of the region, the second most popular option after a two-state solution (most popular answer) was the creation of a single Israeli-Palestinian secular state, which 21% of respondents supported.]

Why don't you favor a two State solution....what gives you a right to be more of a war monger than the majority of Israeli and Palestinian citizens?

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I made no reference to any polling or public opinion and I am in favor of a two-state solution provided it ends the conflict.

You still haven't answered the question about when Israel should withdraw or should have withdrawn, either by date or condition. You don't think Israel should be there forever, so when should they leave?

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Why not now? Why not today?

They pulled out of Gaza and stopped occupying the land in 2005

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza

So let's not pretend like Israel can't pull out of the West Bank.

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Let's not pretend Russia can't pull out of Crimea, either. That aside, would you advise Israel to unilaterally withdraw from the West Bank?

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Sure why not?

Israel does not have a right to the West Bank.

And Russia does not have a right to Crimea.

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What do you think would happen if Israel unilaterally withdrew from the parts of the West Bank it administers?

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The people of Palestine would be free to govern their own affaires and have a sovereign nation.