You cannot be an A+ citizen if you have never been a citizen. The fault for the children caught in the middle lies squarely on the shoulders of the parents who brought them here and not on this great nation who educated them and likely provided for them in other ways.Booray said:You can't apply for citizneship if your parents brought you to this country when you were two and if they crossed illegally. Even if it si the only country you ever lived in and you have been an A+ citizen.ScottS said:Booray said:whiterock said:Booray said:Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:Because Martha's Vineyard's economy is wholly seasonal.Quote:Quote:Florida can do what it wants to help people awaiting asylum heaqrings. If Florida lies to people, takes them in place where they have no shot at work, to prove a political point, then Florida is a jerk.Quote:Quote:Different from the situaiton you describe. When I say that the people shipped to Martha's Vineyard are here legally, I am saying that they followed the laws of the United States in seeking asylum. That gives them a legal right to remain int he country until their asylum request is adjudicated.Quote:nope.. doesnt matter what they do in this country, they are not here legally until they are..Quote:
Thought conservatives wanted to apply the law as written. Characterize it as condescendingly as you want, when those people stepped on the bus they were legally in this country.
I have family friends dealing with this right now. The husband and 3 kids are all legal US citizens by birth. The wife is a dreamer who was brought here illegally at age 5. Now, 26 yr old and still not legal.
Being here doesnt make you legal.
You might disagree with the law, but that is the law.
Fine, so Florida doesn't have the right to help them get to Mass to wait for their hearings?
Do you believe non-border states should be allowed to determine immigration laws? If they are, then there should be no issue taking g a small amount until hearings. After all asylum is not planned, so Florida has no idea how many will show up and when.
The federal government sets immigration policy. It has to be that way.
Why do they have no shot at work? Are you saying Martha's Vineyard is racist? That is illegal. Will Garland investigate why these asylum seekers are denied work in Martha's Vineyard?
Why do you assume Florida is easy to find work? This is a National issue, the Feds are making the policy. All the States should help.
Florida is not a seasonal place. Yeah. 50 people can't find a job in the Martha Vineyard area???? 50. We are talking less than a football team. Yet the economy can't handle it.
No, there are not 50 extra jobs in Martha's Vineyard in the off season. The population is about 10% of what it is in-season. Most businesses just close.
It is nothing at all like "off season" Florida. These facts are inconvenient for you, I know.
No, it is inconvenient for you. You are comparing one city to a State. The State of Mass is not equipped to handle 50 people?
As for Florida, we have a 30% seasonal factor (smowbirds). It is worse in Geb/March for Spring Training. That is pretty extreme, for those of us that actually deal with seasonality.
A comparison to Martha's Vineyard would be Key Biscayne. When illegals show up, they don't stay there. Do you have any experience with what you are talking about?
Your Key Biscayne analogy proves my point, not yours. They do not willingly go where there is no work. Here they were apparently tricked into going where there is no work.
Also, I don't think Florida shrinks by 30% at any point in the year. Martha's Vineyard shrinks by 90% starting about right now.
And your suggestion is, hey just get a job somewhere else in Massachusetts. Never mind that you don't have any transport. Not very realistic.
we have about 11m unfilled jobs in the USA at the moment.
nowhere near half of those jobs are unskilled labor positions appropriate for the 5m or so largely illiterate illegal immigrants we will import this year.
Sure, macroeconomics is macroeconomics. adding unskilled labor to the bottom will facilitate trickle-up dynamics that will, over time, ease the overall crunch. But nothing would do more to ease the shortage of skilled and semi-skiled labor than by increasing LEGAL immigration of the kinds of immigrants we need, 4m or so of whom actually are already approved and standing in line waiting for quota to open.
But that's too hard.
It's waaaay easier to just let them walk across the border.
Don't have to even pass a law to change the immigration quota.
Just let them in the back door.
We'll never catch enough to matter.
We'll get all the immigrants we need, and more.
And the voters won't be able to stop us.
Oh. And all those illegal unskilled laborers will depress wages for the lowest wage earners.
The huddled masses already here will no doubt rejoice at the central role they will play in fighting wage inflation.
We have a screwed up immigration system. As long as Republicans insist on no amnesty and no path to legal status, the chance of rational reform are non-existent.
To get what you want ( much of which I agree with) there has to be compromise.
No path? There is a path. You apply for citizenship. Its been done for years.
The parents cannot apply for citizneship either, even if they have been productive members of society.
That is who I am talking about.
What I am not understanding is this cheapening of American citizenship and the selling out of our birthright and inheritance to people whose first act is to violate and flagrantly disregard our immigration laws. I thought you were in favor of the rule of law; yet here you are championing law breakers because they are sympathetic to you since their parents put them in a bad position.
The DACA children will likely become citizens through marriage. It may take them a while but they actually do have a path to citizenship if they do not marry another person who is not authorized to be here.