Mothra said:

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Thee University said:

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Mothra said:

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Pecos 45 said:

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This:
That success is being revealed for what it was......great for a downtrodden program that is barely over .500 lifetime but built upon a foundation of questionable characters, unfaithful coaches and amiable alumni thirsty for ANYTHING to crow about even if it meant monumental collapses in our bowl games. Paper Lions!


Because less than 1% of the posters here on this bulletin board have ever competed at this level and do not understand what goes into Championship Football, I go easy on you because you are all my Baylor Brothers. Whether you like it or not.

I don't always agree with everything Thee posts, but I agree with this, particularly his last paragraph. If you have never played, nor coached, at the D-1 level you have absolutely no idea what goes in inside the huddle or the locker room. (It's not just Xs and Os.)

But I am conflicted, because I absolutely LOVED to see our Bears whip OU and UT two consecutive seasons, at home and away, under Briles. I was in the stadium at Austin the night that RGIII and the team pulled off a road win on the same night that UT was retiring Colt McCoy's jersey.

Did I make a deal with the devil? Or was I just caught up in the winning football fever, so much so that I overlooked some real problems beneath the surface? (Much like they do at Ole Miss.)

I have not yet reached what they call "closure," because I loved it when we were winning.

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Thee believes a lie. Anyone close to the program during Briles years knows the vast majority of our student athletes were good, upstanding people. Unfortunately, Briles allowed in a small handful of questionable characters that sullied the whole lot. But it doesn't mean our success was built on a lie or deception.

Briles problem is not that he was a bad person. It's that he was undisciplined and failed to run a tight ship. It was mere negligence, not intentional conduct.

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I don't believe a lie. I've just accepted reality and moved on. I never clung to the robe like you. It is only football. A game. I'm trying to help you and your ilk move on also.

The fact that the majority of student-athletes are good upstanding people is NOT a Baylor exclusive. We have not, nor never will, corner the market in fine, upstanding and pure as the driven snow players. We should however, hold Baylor student-athletes to a higher standard and I suspect based on the obvious that we watched unfold over a number of years, that we moved away from this. Quite severely. A small handful can erase wins, magnify the horrible and taint accomplishments just like a poisoned well. It just takes a little bit of bad to ruin the entire lifeblood of a program.

Perhaps most glaring and depressing is that anyone who has played the game at a high level understands the risk-reward and knows that you have to "manage" this assembled and custom-built machine even more closely as you pull in these various elements.

I never said it was intentional. I've contended it was reckless, self-serving and way outside the Baylor lines.

You could see it coming and myself and a few others posted warning signs a few years ago. We were not popular here, on BFs or in conversations around Waco. We were, unfortunately for ALL of us, correct. We are paying a very steep price. Obviously a number of students are paying an even steeper price. We are left to pick up the pieces of a largely dismantled program and put it back together.

Just like making sausage, most of you don't have the stomach for it nor do you want to take the time to clean up the sausage house floor so as to avoid the outbrake of disease from cutting corners and not disinfecting the entire assembly line. Yes, even the BOR. The problem is that the vast majority of the BOR don't want to be involved in making sausage and rightfully know nothing about doing it correctly.

Life, real life, goes on.

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Lots of revisionist history going on in this thread. Your complaints were mostly directed at on-the-field play, not the issues Briles was fired for. You *****ed and moaned lost bowls and shared conference titles. You were entitled and had no perspective. You''re the classic example of someone who would throw the baby out with the bathwater. Oh sure, you complained about the "dancing nugs" because you're an old curmudgeon. But lets not pretend you predicted dysfunction behind the scenes. That, you did not.

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Thee University said:

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BearackObama said:

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I noticed Bennett's defense didn't give up a 99 yard run for the longest rush and play from scrimmage in a program's 122 year history

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Oregon only had 65 snaps.

Had they had 90 snaps it would have been another 550 yards+ sterling, patented Bennett performance.

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Did his team win or lose?

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Thee University said:

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Mothra said:

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Thee University said:

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Mothra said:

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Pecos 45 said:

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This:
That success is being revealed for what it was......great for a downtrodden program that is barely over .500 lifetime but built upon a foundation of questionable characters, unfaithful coaches and amiable alumni thirsty for ANYTHING to crow about even if it meant monumental collapses in our bowl games. Paper Lions!


Because less than 1% of the posters here on this bulletin board have ever competed at this level and do not understand what goes into Championship Football, I go easy on you because you are all my Baylor Brothers. Whether you like it or not.

I don't always agree with everything Thee posts, but I agree with this, particularly his last paragraph. If you have never played, nor coached, at the D-1 level you have absolutely no idea what goes in inside the huddle or the locker room. (It's not just Xs and Os.)

But I am conflicted, because I absolutely LOVED to see our Bears whip OU and UT two consecutive seasons, at home and away, under Briles. I was in the stadium at Austin the night that RGIII and the team pulled off a road win on the same night that UT was retiring Colt McCoy's jersey.

Did I make a deal with the devil? Or was I just caught up in the winning football fever, so much so that I overlooked some real problems beneath the surface? (Much like they do at Ole Miss.)

I have not yet reached what they call "closure," because I loved it when we were winning.

---

Thee believes a lie. Anyone close to the program during Briles years knows the vast majority of our student athletes were good, upstanding people. Unfortunately, Briles allowed in a small handful of questionable characters that sullied the whole lot. But it doesn't mean our success was built on a lie or deception.

Briles problem is not that he was a bad person. It's that he was undisciplined and failed to run a tight ship. It was mere negligence, not intentional conduct.

---

I don't believe a lie. I've just accepted reality and moved on. I never clung to the robe like you. It is only football. A game. I'm trying to help you and your ilk move on also.

The fact that the majority of student-athletes are good upstanding people is NOT a Baylor exclusive. We have not, nor never will, corner the market in fine, upstanding and pure as the driven snow players. We should however, hold Baylor student-athletes to a higher standard and I suspect based on the obvious that we watched unfold over a number of years, that we moved away from this. Quite severely. A small handful can erase wins, magnify the horrible and taint accomplishments just like a poisoned well. It just takes a little bit of bad to ruin the entire lifeblood of a program.

Perhaps most glaring and depressing is that anyone who has played the game at a high level understands the risk-reward and knows that you have to "manage" this assembled and custom-built machine even more closely as you pull in these various elements.

I never said it was intentional. I've contended it was reckless, self-serving and way outside the Baylor lines.

You could see it coming and myself and a few others posted warning signs a few years ago. We were not popular here, on BFs or in conversations around Waco. We were, unfortunately for ALL of us, correct. We are paying a very steep price. Obviously a number of students are paying an even steeper price. We are left to pick up the pieces of a largely dismantled program and put it back together.

Just like making sausage, most of you don't have the stomach for it nor do you want to take the time to clean up the sausage house floor so as to avoid the outbrake of disease from cutting corners and not disinfecting the entire assembly line. Yes, even the BOR. The problem is that the vast majority of the BOR don't want to be involved in making sausage and rightfully know nothing about doing it correctly.

Life, real life, goes on.

---

Lots of revisionist history going on in this thread. Your complaints were mostly directed at on-the-field play, not the issues Briles was fired for. You *****ed and moaned lost bowls and shared conference titles. You were entitled and had no perspective. You''re the classic example of someone who would throw the baby out with the bathwater. Oh sure, you complained about the "dancing nugs" because you're an old curmudgeon. But lets not pretend you predicted dysfunction behind the scenes. That, you did not.

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Correct. No one knew at the time I started alerting you sheep with blinders on about Discipline problems how horrible and deep it really was.

Go read my posts from 4, 5 & 6 years ago. Winning is a drug no matter how gangsta it was achieved. All you blinders wearing weinies saw was a win about 10 times a year. You could not and did not want to look at the entire picture.

I believe in honor, sportsmanship, rules, laws and the American way. You? You just wanted to brag at the soccer fields where your kid was the team cheerleader.

I saw it. I called it. It was much worse than even I imagined.

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Thee University said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Thee University said:

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BearackObama said:

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I noticed Bennett's defense didn't give up a 99 yard run for the longest rush and play from scrimmage in a program's 122 year history

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Oregon only had 65 snaps.

Had they had 90 snaps it would have been another 550 yards+ sterling, patented Bennett performance.

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Did his team win or lose?

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That is not the point of this thread.

Hell, because of Art's offense even you on the sidelines yelling at kids where to get lined up could have

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Mothra said:

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Thee University said:

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Mothra said:

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Thee University said:

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Mothra said:

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Pecos 45 said:

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This:
That success is being revealed for what it was......great for a downtrodden program that is barely over .500 lifetime but built upon a foundation of questionable characters, unfaithful coaches and amiable alumni thirsty for ANYTHING to crow about even if it meant monumental collapses in our bowl games. Paper Lions!


Because less than 1% of the posters here on this bulletin board have ever competed at this level and do not understand what goes into Championship Football, I go easy on you because you are all my Baylor Brothers. Whether you like it or not.

I don't always agree with everything Thee posts, but I agree with this, particularly his last paragraph. If you have never played, nor coached, at the D-1 level you have absolutely no idea what goes in inside the huddle or the locker room. (It's not just Xs and Os.)

But I am conflicted, because I absolutely LOVED to see our Bears whip OU and UT two consecutive seasons, at home and away, under Briles. I was in the stadium at Austin the night that RGIII and the team pulled off a road win on the same night that UT was retiring Colt McCoy's jersey.

Did I make a deal with the devil? Or was I just caught up in the winning football fever, so much so that I overlooked some real problems beneath the surface? (Much like they do at Ole Miss.)

I have not yet reached what they call "closure," because I loved it when we were winning.

---

Thee believes a lie. Anyone close to the program during Briles years knows the vast majority of our student athletes were good, upstanding people. Unfortunately, Briles allowed in a small handful of questionable characters that sullied the whole lot. But it doesn't mean our success was built on a lie or deception.

Briles problem is not that he was a bad person. It's that he was undisciplined and failed to run a tight ship. It was mere negligence, not intentional conduct.

---

I don't believe a lie. I've just accepted reality and moved on. I never clung to the robe like you. It is only football. A game. I'm trying to help you and your ilk move on also.

The fact that the majority of student-athletes are good upstanding people is NOT a Baylor exclusive. We have not, nor never will, corner the market in fine, upstanding and pure as the driven snow players. We should however, hold Baylor student-athletes to a higher standard and I suspect based on the obvious that we watched unfold over a number of years, that we moved away from this. Quite severely. A small handful can erase wins, magnify the horrible and taint accomplishments just like a poisoned well. It just takes a little bit of bad to ruin the entire lifeblood of a program.

Perhaps most glaring and depressing is that anyone who has played the game at a high level understands the risk-reward and knows that you have to "manage" this assembled and custom-built machine even more closely as you pull in these various elements.

I never said it was intentional. I've contended it was reckless, self-serving and way outside the Baylor lines.

You could see it coming and myself and a few others posted warning signs a few years ago. We were not popular here, on BFs or in conversations around Waco. We were, unfortunately for ALL of us, correct. We are paying a very steep price. Obviously a number of students are paying an even steeper price. We are left to pick up the pieces of a largely dismantled program and put it back together.

Just like making sausage, most of you don't have the stomach for it nor do you want to take the time to clean up the sausage house floor so as to avoid the outbrake of disease from cutting corners and not disinfecting the entire assembly line. Yes, even the BOR. The problem is that the vast majority of the BOR don't want to be involved in making sausage and rightfully know nothing about doing it correctly.

Life, real life, goes on.

---

Lots of revisionist history going on in this thread. Your complaints were mostly directed at on-the-field play, not the issues Briles was fired for. You *****ed and moaned lost bowls and shared conference titles. You were entitled and had no perspective. You''re the classic example of someone who would throw the baby out with the bathwater. Oh sure, you complained about the "dancing nugs" because you're an old curmudgeon. But lets not pretend you predicted dysfunction behind the scenes. That, you did not.

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Correct. No one knew at the time I started alerting you sheep with blinders on about Discipline problems how horrible and deep it really was.

Go read my posts from 4, 5 & 6 years ago. Winning is a drug no matter how gangsta it was achieved. All you blinders wearing weinies saw was a win about 10 times a year. You could not and did not want to look at the entire picture.

I believe in honor, sportsmanship, rules, laws and the American way. You? You just wanted to brag at the soccer fields where your kid was the team cheerleader.

I saw it. I called it. It was much worse than even I imagined.

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You called nothing. You complained only about on-field results and dancing nugs.

As I said above, you argued for tearing the mansion Briles built down merely because you didn't like his choice in bathroom tile.

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Thee University said:

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Mothra said:

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Thee University said:

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Mothra said:

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Thee University said:

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Mothra said:

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Pecos 45 said:

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This:
That success is being revealed for what it was......great for a downtrodden program that is barely over .500 lifetime but built upon a foundation of questionable characters, unfaithful coaches and amiable alumni thirsty for ANYTHING to crow about even if it meant monumental collapses in our bowl games. Paper Lions!


Because less than 1% of the posters here on this bulletin board have ever competed at this level and do not understand what goes into Championship Football, I go easy on you because you are all my Baylor Brothers. Whether you like it or not.

I don't always agree with everything Thee posts, but I agree with this, particularly his last paragraph. If you have never played, nor coached, at the D-1 level you have absolutely no idea what goes in inside the huddle or the locker room. (It's not just Xs and Os.)

But I am conflicted, because I absolutely LOVED to see our Bears whip OU and UT two consecutive seasons, at home and away, under Briles. I was in the stadium at Austin the night that RGIII and the team pulled off a road win on the same night that UT was retiring Colt McCoy's jersey.

Did I make a deal with the devil? Or was I just caught up in the winning football fever, so much so that I overlooked some real problems beneath the surface? (Much like they do at Ole Miss.)

I have not yet reached what they call "closure," because I loved it when we were winning.

---

Thee believes a lie. Anyone close to the program during Briles years knows the vast majority of our student athletes were good, upstanding people. Unfortunately, Briles allowed in a small handful of questionable characters that sullied the whole lot. But it doesn't mean our success was built on a lie or deception.

Briles problem is not that he was a bad person. It's that he was undisciplined and failed to run a tight ship. It was mere negligence, not intentional conduct.

---

I don't believe a lie. I've just accepted reality and moved on. I never clung to the robe like you. It is only football. A game. I'm trying to help you and your ilk move on also.

The fact that the majority of student-athletes are good upstanding people is NOT a Baylor exclusive. We have not, nor never will, corner the market in fine, upstanding and pure as the driven snow players. We should however, hold Baylor student-athletes to a higher standard and I suspect based on the obvious that we watched unfold over a number of years, that we moved away from this. Quite severely. A small handful can erase wins, magnify the horrible and taint accomplishments just like a poisoned well. It just takes a little bit of bad to ruin the entire lifeblood of a program.

Perhaps most glaring and depressing is that anyone who has played the game at a high level understands the risk-reward and knows that you have to "manage" this assembled and custom-built machine even more closely as you pull in these various elements.

I never said it was intentional. I've contended it was reckless, self-serving and way outside the Baylor lines.

You could see it coming and myself and a few others posted warning signs a few years ago. We were not popular here, on BFs or in conversations around Waco. We were, unfortunately for ALL of us, correct. We are paying a very steep price. Obviously a number of students are paying an even steeper price. We are left to pick up the pieces of a largely dismantled program and put it back together.

Just like making sausage, most of you don't have the stomach for it nor do you want to take the time to clean up the sausage house floor so as to avoid the outbrake of disease from cutting corners and not disinfecting the entire assembly line. Yes, even the BOR. The problem is that the vast majority of the BOR don't want to be involved in making sausage and rightfully know nothing about doing it correctly.

Life, real life, goes on.

---

Lots of revisionist history going on in this thread. Your complaints were mostly directed at on-the-field play, not the issues Briles was fired for. You *****ed and moaned lost bowls and shared conference titles. You were entitled and had no perspective. You''re the classic example of someone who would throw the baby out with the bathwater. Oh sure, you complained about the "dancing nugs" because you're an old curmudgeon. But lets not pretend you predicted dysfunction behind the scenes. That, you did not.

---

Correct. No one knew at the time I started alerting you sheep with blinders on about Discipline problems how horrible and deep it really was.

Go read my posts from 4, 5 & 6 years ago. Winning is a drug no matter how gangsta it was achieved. All you blinders wearing weinies saw was a win about 10 times a year. You could not and did not want to look at the entire picture.

I believe in honor, sportsmanship, rules, laws and the American way. You? You just wanted to brag at the soccer fields where your kid was the team cheerleader.

I saw it. I called it. It was much worse than even I imagined.

---

You called nothing. You complained only about on-field results and dancing nugs.

As I said above, you argued for tearing the mansion Briles built down merely because you didn't like his choice in bathroom tile.

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If I was not correct you and your kind would not spend so much time desperately attempting to discredit my comments honed by 4 years as a Baylor Bear and 4 years playing professionally. You have no experience nor insight such as I possess and because you know I am right and make valid points you have no choice but to deflect and lie.

I get it. Most posters understand your sad tactic.

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Mothra said:

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Thee University said:

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Mothra said:

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Thee University said:

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Mothra said:

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Thee University said:

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Mothra said:

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Pecos 45 said:

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This:
That success is being revealed for what it was......great for a downtrodden program that is barely over .500 lifetime but built upon a foundation of questionable characters, unfaithful coaches and amiable alumni thirsty for ANYTHING to crow about even if it meant monumental collapses in our bowl games. Paper Lions!


Because less than 1% of the posters here on this bulletin board have ever competed at this level and do not understand what goes into Championship Football, I go easy on you because you are all my Baylor Brothers. Whether you like it or not.

I don't always agree with everything Thee posts, but I agree with this, particularly his last paragraph. If you have never played, nor coached, at the D-1 level you have absolutely no idea what goes in inside the huddle or the locker room. (It's not just Xs and Os.)

But I am conflicted, because I absolutely LOVED to see our Bears whip OU and UT two consecutive seasons, at home and away, under Briles. I was in the stadium at Austin the night that RGIII and the team pulled off a road win on the same night that UT was retiring Colt McCoy's jersey.

Did I make a deal with the devil? Or was I just caught up in the winning football fever, so much so that I overlooked some real problems beneath the surface? (Much like they do at Ole Miss.)

I have not yet reached what they call "closure," because I loved it when we were winning.

---

Thee believes a lie. Anyone close to the program during Briles years knows the vast majority of our student athletes were good, upstanding people. Unfortunately, Briles allowed in a small handful of questionable characters that sullied the whole lot. But it doesn't mean our success was built on a lie or deception.

Briles problem is not that he was a bad person. It's that he was undisciplined and failed to run a tight ship. It was mere negligence, not intentional conduct.

---

I don't believe a lie. I've just accepted reality and moved on. I never clung to the robe like you. It is only football. A game. I'm trying to help you and your ilk move on also.

The fact that the majority of student-athletes are good upstanding people is NOT a Baylor exclusive. We have not, nor never will, corner the market in fine, upstanding and pure as the driven snow players. We should however, hold Baylor student-athletes to a higher standard and I suspect based on the obvious that we watched unfold over a number of years, that we moved away from this. Quite severely. A small handful can erase wins, magnify the horrible and taint accomplishments just like a poisoned well. It just takes a little bit of bad to ruin the entire lifeblood of a program.

Perhaps most glaring and depressing is that anyone who has played the game at a high level understands the risk-reward and knows that you have to "manage" this assembled and custom-built machine even more closely as you pull in these various elements.

I never said it was intentional. I've contended it was reckless, self-serving and way outside the Baylor lines.

You could see it coming and myself and a few others posted warning signs a few years ago. We were not popular here, on BFs or in conversations around Waco. We were, unfortunately for ALL of us, correct. We are paying a very steep price. Obviously a number of students are paying an even steeper price. We are left to pick up the pieces of a largely dismantled program and put it back together.

Just like making sausage, most of you don't have the stomach for it nor do you want to take the time to clean up the sausage house floor so as to avoid the outbrake of disease from cutting corners and not disinfecting the entire assembly line. Yes, even the BOR. The problem is that the vast majority of the BOR don't want to be involved in making sausage and rightfully know nothing about doing it correctly.

Life, real life, goes on.

---

Lots of revisionist history going on in this thread. Your complaints were mostly directed at on-the-field play, not the issues Briles was fired for. You *****ed and moaned lost bowls and shared conference titles. You were entitled and had no perspective. You''re the classic example of someone who would throw the baby out with the bathwater. Oh sure, you complained about the "dancing nugs" because you're an old curmudgeon. But lets not pretend you predicted dysfunction behind the scenes. That, you did not.

---

Correct. No one knew at the time I started alerting you sheep with blinders on about Discipline problems how horrible and deep it really was.

Go read my posts from 4, 5 & 6 years ago. Winning is a drug no matter how gangsta it was achieved. All you blinders wearing weinies saw was a win about 10 times a year. You could not and did not want to look at the entire picture.

I believe in honor, sportsmanship, rules, laws and the American way. You? You just wanted to brag at the soccer fields where your kid was the team cheerleader.

I saw it. I called it. It was much worse than even I imagined.

---

You called nothing. You complained only about on-field results and dancing nugs.

As I said above, you argued for tearing the mansion Briles built down merely because you didn't like his choice in bathroom tile.

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If I was not correct you and your kind would not spend so much time desperately attempting to discredit my comments honed by 4 years as a Baylor Bear and 4 years playing professionally. You have no experience nor insight such as I possess and because you know I am right and make valid points you have no choice but to deflect and lie.

I get it. Most posters understand your sad tactic.

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You're getting me confused with someone else again. I never criticized you for being critical of defense and special teams. If you recall, I acknowledged on another thread I was also mad as hell after those bowl losses.

What I said, and what remains true, is what other reasonable-minded posters have pointed out to you - your refusal to credit Briles for being in the bowl games, conference championships, etc. or the belief that any number of coaches could have come here and surpassed his success was, and remains, stupid and ignorant.

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Thee University said:

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Mothra said:

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Thee University said:

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Mothra said:

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Thee University said:

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Mothra said:

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Thee University said:

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Mothra said:

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Pecos 45 said:

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This:
That success is being revealed for what it was......great for a downtrodden program that is barely over .500 lifetime but built upon a foundation of questionable characters, unfaithful coaches and amiable alumni thirsty for ANYTHING to crow about even if it meant monumental collapses in our bowl games. Paper Lions!


Because less than 1% of the posters here on this bulletin board have ever competed at this level and do not understand what goes into Championship Football, I go easy on you because you are all my Baylor Brothers. Whether you like it or not.

I don't always agree with everything Thee posts, but I agree with this, particularly his last paragraph. If you have never played, nor coached, at the D-1 level you have absolutely no idea what goes in inside the huddle or the locker room. (It's not just Xs and Os.)

But I am conflicted, because I absolutely LOVED to see our Bears whip OU and UT two consecutive seasons, at home and away, under Briles. I was in the stadium at Austin the night that RGIII and the team pulled off a road win on the same night that UT was retiring Colt McCoy's jersey.

Did I make a deal with the devil? Or was I just caught up in the winning football fever, so much so that I overlooked some real problems beneath the surface? (Much like they do at Ole Miss.)

I have not yet reached what they call "closure," because I loved it when we were winning.

---

Thee believes a lie. Anyone close to the program during Briles years knows the vast majority of our student athletes were good, upstanding people. Unfortunately, Briles allowed in a small handful of questionable characters that sullied the whole lot. But it doesn't mean our success was built on a lie or deception.

Briles problem is not that he was a bad person. It's that he was undisciplined and failed to run a tight ship. It was mere negligence, not intentional conduct.

---

I don't believe a lie. I've just accepted reality and moved on. I never clung to the robe like you. It is only football. A game. I'm trying to help you and your ilk move on also.

The fact that the majority of student-athletes are good upstanding people is NOT a Baylor exclusive. We have not, nor never will, corner the market in fine, upstanding and pure as the driven snow players. We should however, hold Baylor student-athletes to a higher standard and I suspect based on the obvious that we watched unfold over a number of years, that we moved away from this. Quite severely. A small handful can erase wins, magnify the horrible and taint accomplishments just like a poisoned well. It just takes a little bit of bad to ruin the entire lifeblood of a program.

Perhaps most glaring and depressing is that anyone who has played the game at a high level understands the risk-reward and knows that you have to "manage" this assembled and custom-built machine even more closely as you pull in these various elements.

I never said it was intentional. I've contended it was reckless, self-serving and way outside the Baylor lines.

You could see it coming and myself and a few others posted warning signs a few years ago. We were not popular here, on BFs or in conversations around Waco. We were, unfortunately for ALL of us, correct. We are paying a very steep price. Obviously a number of students are paying an even steeper price. We are left to pick up the pieces of a largely dismantled program and put it back together.

Just like making sausage, most of you don't have the stomach for it nor do you want to take the time to clean up the sausage house floor so as to avoid the outbrake of disease from cutting corners and not disinfecting the entire assembly line. Yes, even the BOR. The problem is that the vast majority of the BOR don't want to be involved in making sausage and rightfully know nothing about doing it correctly.

Life, real life, goes on.

---

Lots of revisionist history going on in this thread. Your complaints were mostly directed at on-the-field play, not the issues Briles was fired for. You *****ed and moaned lost bowls and shared conference titles. You were entitled and had no perspective. You''re the classic example of someone who would throw the baby out with the bathwater. Oh sure, you complained about the "dancing nugs" because you're an old curmudgeon. But lets not pretend you predicted dysfunction behind the scenes. That, you did not.

---

Correct. No one knew at the time I started alerting you sheep with blinders on about Discipline problems how horrible and deep it really was.

Go read my posts from 4, 5 & 6 years ago. Winning is a drug no matter how gangsta it was achieved. All you blinders wearing weinies saw was a win about 10 times a year. You could not and did not want to look at the entire picture.

I believe in honor, sportsmanship, rules, laws and the American way. You? You just wanted to brag at the soccer fields where your kid was the team cheerleader.

I saw it. I called it. It was much worse than even I imagined.

---

You called nothing. You complained only about on-field results and dancing nugs.

As I said above, you argued for tearing the mansion Briles built down merely because you didn't like his choice in bathroom tile.

---

If I was not correct you and your kind would not spend so much time desperately attempting to discredit my comments honed by 4 years as a Baylor Bear and 4 years playing professionally. You have no experience nor insight such as I possess and because you know I am right and make valid points you have no choice but to deflect and lie.

I get it. Most posters understand your sad tactic.

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You're getting me confused with someone else again. I never criticized you for being critical of defense and special teams. If you recall, I acknowledged on another thread I was also mad as hell after those bowl losses.

What I said, and what remains true, is what other reasonable-minded posters have pointed out to you - your refusal to credit Briles for being in the bowl games, conference championships, etc. or the belief that any number of coaches could have come here and surpassed his success was, and remains, stupid and ignorant.

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No. I know who you are.

I've ALWAYS credited Briles for winning games to get us in the bowl games, the 1 conference championship and the 1 co-championship. I loved his offense. I don't fall down and worship any coaches. I did not worship Teaff, Reedy, Roberts, Steele or Morris either.

We will never know if another coach could have surpassed the 2008-2015 winning percentage of .637. Doubtful anyone could have. Our one trick pony program (OFFENSE ONLY) set the Big 12 on fire. What I don't think you guys get is that outside of Waco & the Baylor Bubble those years while very strong, were not that big a deal nationally. Our reputation of collapsing when under pressure and not front-running was warranted and most knew or believed that if they were in the game in the 4th Q that we would somehow self-destruct.

My multi-year posting on here was that until we get a Defense, Special Teams and start scheduling programs with a pulse, we are pretenders. We are Baylor and our resume is one of .500 ball. While good in the nation's eyes and great in our own eyes, we needed and could have done more.

Let go of the robe.

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This:
That success is being revealed for what it was......great for a downtrodden program that is barely over .500 lifetime but built upon a foundation of questionable characters, unfaithful coaches and amiable alumni thirsty for ANYTHING to crow about even if it meant monumental collapses in our bowl games. Paper Lions!


Because less than 1% of the posters here on this bulletin board have ever competed at this level and do not understand what goes into Championship Football, I go easy on you because you are all my Baylor Brothers. Whether you like it or not.

I don't always agree with everything Thee posts, but I agree with this, particularly his last paragraph. If you have never played, nor coached, at the D-1 level you have absolutely no idea what goes in inside the huddle or the locker room. (It's not just Xs and Os.)

But I am conflicted, because I absolutely LOVED to see our Bears whip OU and UT two consecutive seasons, at home and away, under Briles. I was in the stadium at Austin the night that RGIII and the team pulled off a road win on the same night that UT was retiring Colt McCoy's jersey.

Did I make a deal with the devil? Or was I just caught up in the winning football fever, so much so that I overlooked some real problems beneath the surface? (Much like they do at Ole Miss.)

I have not yet reached what they call "closure," because I loved it when we were winning.

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Thee believes a lie. Anyone close to the program during Briles years knows the vast majority of our student athletes were good, upstanding people. Unfortunately, Briles allowed in a small handful of questionable characters that sullied the whole lot. But it doesn't mean our success was built on a lie or deception.

Briles problem is not that he was a bad person. It's that he was undisciplined and failed to run a tight ship. It was mere negligence, not intentional conduct.

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I don't believe a lie. I've just accepted reality and moved on. I never clung to the robe like you. It is only football. A game. I'm trying to help you and your ilk move on also.

The fact that the majority of student-athletes are good upstanding people is NOT a Baylor exclusive. We have not, nor never will, corner the market in fine, upstanding and pure as the driven snow players. We should however, hold Baylor student-athletes to a higher standard and I suspect based on the obvious that we watched unfold over a number of years, that we moved away from this. Quite severely. A small handful can erase wins, magnify the horrible and taint accomplishments just like a poisoned well. It just takes a little bit of bad to ruin the entire lifeblood of a program.

Perhaps most glaring and depressing is that anyone who has played the game at a high level understands the risk-reward and knows that you have to "manage" this assembled and custom-built machine even more closely as you pull in these various elements.

I never said it was intentional. I've contended it was reckless, self-serving and way outside the Baylor lines.

You could see it coming and myself and a few others posted warning signs a few years ago. We were not popular here, on BFs or in conversations around Waco. We were, unfortunately for ALL of us, correct. We are paying a very steep price. Obviously a number of students are paying an even steeper price. We are left to pick up the pieces of a largely dismantled program and put it back together.

Just like making sausage, most of you don't have the stomach for it nor do you want to take the time to clean up the sausage house floor so as to avoid the outbrake of disease from cutting corners and not disinfecting the entire assembly line. Yes, even the BOR. The problem is that the vast majority of the BOR don't want to be involved in making sausage and rightfully know nothing about doing it correctly.

Life, real life, goes on.

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Lots of revisionist history going on in this thread. Your complaints were mostly directed at on-the-field play, not the issues Briles was fired for. You *****ed and moaned lost bowls and shared conference titles. You were entitled and had no perspective. You''re the classic example of someone who would throw the baby out with the bathwater. Oh sure, you complained about the "dancing nugs" because you're an old curmudgeon. But lets not pretend you predicted dysfunction behind the scenes. That, you did not.

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Correct. No one knew at the time I started alerting you sheep with blinders on about Discipline problems how horrible and deep it really was.

Go read my posts from 4, 5 & 6 years ago. Winning is a drug no matter how gangsta it was achieved. All you blinders wearing weinies saw was a win about 10 times a year. You could not and did not want to look at the entire picture.

I believe in honor, sportsmanship, rules, laws and the American way. You? You just wanted to brag at the soccer fields where your kid was the team cheerleader.

I saw it. I called it. It was much worse than even I imagined.

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You called nothing. You complained only about on-field results and dancing nugs.

As I said above, you argued for tearing the mansion Briles built down merely because you didn't like his choice in bathroom tile.

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If I was not correct you and your kind would not spend so much time desperately attempting to discredit my comments honed by 4 years as a Baylor Bear and 4 years playing professionally. You have no experience nor insight such as I possess and because you know I am right and make valid points you have no choice but to deflect and lie.

I get it. Most posters understand your sad tactic.

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You're getting me confused with someone else again. I never criticized you for being critical of defense and special teams. If you recall, I acknowledged on another thread I was also mad as hell after those bowl losses.

What I said, and what remains true, is what other reasonable-minded posters have pointed out to you - your refusal to credit Briles for being in the bowl games, conference championships, etc. or the belief that any number of coaches could have come here and surpassed his success was, and remains, stupid and ignorant.

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No. I know who you are.

I've ALWAYS credited Briles for winning games to get us in the bowl games, the 1 conference championship and the 1 co-championship. I loved his offense. I don't fall down and worship any coaches. I did not worship Teaff, Reedy, Roberts, Steele or Morris either.

We will never know if another coach could have surpassed the 2008-2015 winning percentage of .637. Doubtful anyone could have. Our one trick pony program (OFFENSE ONLY) set the Big 12 on fire. What I don't think you guys get is that outside of Waco & the Baylor Bubble those years while very strong, were not that big a deal nationally. Our reputation of collapsing when under pressure and not front-running was warranted and most knew or believed that if they were in the game in the 4th Q that we would somehow self-destruct.

My multi-year posting on here was that until we get a Defense, Special Teams and start scheduling programs with a pulse, we are pretenders. We are Baylor and our resume is one of .500 ball. While good in the nation's eyes and great in our own eyes, we needed and could have done more.

Let go of the robe.

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No, you have no idea who I am. You can't even remember discussions had just a few days ago, let alone a few years. Maybe it's the CTE, I dunno.

You also can't speak for what other fan bases thought of us. What I know is that when I wore my Baylor gear around the country the last few years, I can't tell you the number of times I got a positive comment about how fun and exciting we were. People all over the world (got stopped at Heathrow Airport in London one time) stopping me. That's something that never happened before Briles - before we were actually relevant.

Regardless, you got your wish - we have a new coach who you claim will get us to a place Briles couldn't. Now, we get to see if you are right.

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Your complaints about the schedule are meaningless babble. We do not get equal billing no matter who we play because we don't bring the eyes that the blue bloods bring. We were in a win them all and you're in, lose one and you're out if there's any plausible excuse to exclude you situation.

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I noticed Bennett's defense didn't give up a 99 yard run for the longest rush and play from scrimmage in a program's 122 year history

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Oregon only had 65 snaps.

Had they had 90 snaps it would have been another 550 yards+ sterling, patented Bennett performance.

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Did his team win or lose?

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That is not the point of this thread.

Hell, because of Art's offense even you on the sidelines yelling at kids where to get lined up could have been successful a few times.

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The Ferrari looked great but certain actions by those with the keys totaled it out .


The Fiesta Bowl was a good indication what was ahead. The objective at Baylor was to go fast in every judgment and bolt. Unfortunately for him, a bunch of Bubba Gravehaulers don't run Texas.

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First, let's agree that the final lump sum of money likely exceeded $10 million.
For a guy that had pulled a few million a year for the past few years, that's a good lump sum.

Briles could have very easily taken a step back and said, "my assIstants will be unemployed soon, I'd like to spread out 100k per assistant so they can handle th change."

Why didn't he do it?

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First, let's agree that the final lump sum of money likely exceeded $10 million.
For a guy that had pulled a few million a year for the past few years, that's a good lump sum.

Briles could have very easily taken a step back and said, "my assIstants will be unemployed soon, I'd like to spread out 100k per assistant so they can handle th change."

Why didn't he do it?

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Because he a evil man and should be despised.

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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First, let's agree that the final lump sum of money likely exceeded $10 million.
For a guy that had pulled a few million a year for the past few years, that's a good lump sum.

Briles could have very easily taken a step back and said, "my assIstants will be unemployed soon, I'd like to spread out 100k per assistant so they can handle th change."

Why didn't he do it?

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First, let's agree that the final lump sum of money likely exceeded $10 million.
For a guy that had pulled a few million a year for the past few years, that's a good lump sum.

Briles could have very easily taken a step back and said, "my assIstants will be unemployed soon, I'd like to spread out 100k per assistant so they can handle th change."

Why didn't he do it?

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Because he went out of his way to directly contact alleged victims to discourage them from going to the police or anyone else at Baylor, and of course, he repeatedly knowingly played players who had been found guilty of committing sexual assault. That answer your question?

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First, let's agree that the final lump sum of money likely exceeded $10 million.
For a guy that had pulled a few million a year for the past few years, that's a good lump sum.

Briles could have very easily taken a step back and said, "my assIstants will be unemployed soon, I'd like to spread out 100k per assistant so they can handle th change."

Why didn't he do it?

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Because he went out of his way to directly contact alleged victims to discourage them from going to the police or anyone else at Baylor, and of course, he repeatedly knowingly played players who had been found guilty of committing sexual assault. That answer your question?

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You tell me.

Did he do that?

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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If your only source of info is this board, you aren't making much effort to find out.

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If your only source of info is this board, you aren't making much effort to find out.

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Why should I neee another source? (And, besides that, I have seen information from documents filed with a court).

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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If your only source of info is this board, you aren't making much effort to find out.

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Why should I neee another source? (And, besides that, I have seen information from documents filed with a court).

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Hell, I don't know. Some people might not want to g into graphic details about sexual assault amd not want to have the whole world reading it to make a profit on it for the knee jerk liberal media.

That never occur to you, PR boy? This isn't connect the dots hang man, these are private lives of people that ought not have this follow them around.

If you're just waiting to pay for sunshine, that's your call. But it's not convincing when you try and claim to be objective.

If this is the first bad thing you've heard about Briles, you have had your head in the sand.

The guy was no saint.

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Alright well, great,

I was just suggesting you take a deeper look at how you make decisions rather than leaving it solely to the blinking lights of the internet.

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