ATL Bear said:Human breathing as a parallel to toxic waste. Good grief. Even smoking isn't as restricted as what you seem to be advocating. This goes no where because you're being obstinate and cowardly. Protect yourself Sam. You have a litany of options. Let others live with their individual choices. That's what free people and societies do.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
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Forced vaccinations and masks.Sam Lowry said:I'd at least draw it at anything unconstitutional. Where else would you suggest?Doc Holliday said:Nope, I'm in favor of drawing red lines.Sam Lowry said:So you're against any environmental regulation? Nuclear waste anywhere and everywhere, just have at it?Doc Holliday said:Then government power is limitless in pursuing a subjective view of public welfare.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
It's destined to be a slippery slope.
In fact, it already has slipped a long time ago: see sterilization in 1927.
Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend
Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception
With COVID, you could keep pursuing more extreme measures, but where do you draw a line?
Doc Holliday said:Forced vaccinations and masks.Sam Lowry said:I'd at least draw it at anything unconstitutional. Where else would you suggest?Doc Holliday said:Nope, I'm in favor of drawing red lines.Sam Lowry said:So you're against any environmental regulation? Nuclear waste anywhere and everywhere, just have at it?Doc Holliday said:Then government power is limitless in pursuing a subjective view of public welfare.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
It's destined to be a slippery slope.
In fact, it already has slipped a long time ago: see sterilization in 1927.
Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend
Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception
With COVID, you could keep pursuing more extreme measures, but where do you draw a line?
Shutting down business and interfering with and impairing private contracts.
Why?Doc Holliday said:Forced vaccinations and masks.Sam Lowry said:I'd at least draw it at anything unconstitutional. Where else would you suggest?Doc Holliday said:Nope, I'm in favor of drawing red lines.Sam Lowry said:So you're against any environmental regulation? Nuclear waste anywhere and everywhere, just have at it?Doc Holliday said:Then government power is limitless in pursuing a subjective view of public welfare.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
It's destined to be a slippery slope.
In fact, it already has slipped a long time ago: see sterilization in 1927.
Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend
Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception
With COVID, you could keep pursuing more extreme measures, but where do you draw a line?
That's not a real answer. Everyone is okay with shutting down some business and interfering with some contracts.Carlos Cruz said:Doc Holliday said:Forced vaccinations and masks.Sam Lowry said:I'd at least draw it at anything unconstitutional. Where else would you suggest?Doc Holliday said:Nope, I'm in favor of drawing red lines.Sam Lowry said:So you're against any environmental regulation? Nuclear waste anywhere and everywhere, just have at it?Doc Holliday said:Then government power is limitless in pursuing a subjective view of public welfare.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
It's destined to be a slippery slope.
In fact, it already has slipped a long time ago: see sterilization in 1927.
Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend
Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception
With COVID, you could keep pursuing more extreme measures, but where do you draw a line?
Shutting down business and interfering with and impairing private contracts.
In the interest of public health and safety, maybe it's time we ban alcohol, fast food, sugary drinks and put speed governors on all cars. Oh, and outlaw guns.
Rawhide said:
In the interest of public health and safety, maybe it's time we ban alcohol, fast food, sugary drinks and put speed governors on all cars. Oh, and outlaw guns.
Seems you are a member of the Center for Science in the Public Interest.
Right, because they're all "epidemics." You make a great leftist, man.Rawhide said:
In the interest of public health and safety, maybe it's time we ban alcohol, fast food, sugary drinks and put speed governors on all cars. Oh, and outlaw guns.
Sam Lowry said:That's not a real answer. Everyone is okay with shutting down some business and interfering with some contracts.Carlos Cruz said:Doc Holliday said:Forced vaccinations and masks.Sam Lowry said:I'd at least draw it at anything unconstitutional. Where else would you suggest?Doc Holliday said:Nope, I'm in favor of drawing red lines.Sam Lowry said:So you're against any environmental regulation? Nuclear waste anywhere and everywhere, just have at it?Doc Holliday said:Then government power is limitless in pursuing a subjective view of public welfare.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
It's destined to be a slippery slope.
In fact, it already has slipped a long time ago: see sterilization in 1927.
Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend
Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception
With COVID, you could keep pursuing more extreme measures, but where do you draw a line?
Shutting down business and interfering with and impairing private contracts.
Nope.
Not everyone.Sam Lowry said:That's not a real answer. Everyone is okay with shutting down some business and interfering with some contracts.Carlos Cruz said:Doc Holliday said:Forced vaccinations and masks.Sam Lowry said:I'd at least draw it at anything unconstitutional. Where else would you suggest?Doc Holliday said:Nope, I'm in favor of drawing red lines.Sam Lowry said:So you're against any environmental regulation? Nuclear waste anywhere and everywhere, just have at it?Doc Holliday said:Then government power is limitless in pursuing a subjective view of public welfare.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
It's destined to be a slippery slope.
In fact, it already has slipped a long time ago: see sterilization in 1927.
Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend
Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception
With COVID, you could keep pursuing more extreme measures, but where do you draw a line?
Shutting down business and interfering with and impairing private contracts.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Doc Holliday said:Forced vaccinations and masks.Sam Lowry said:I'd at least draw it at anything unconstitutional. Where else would you suggest?Doc Holliday said:Nope, I'm in favor of drawing red lines.Sam Lowry said:So you're against any environmental regulation? Nuclear waste anywhere and everywhere, just have at it?Doc Holliday said:Then government power is limitless in pursuing a subjective view of public welfare.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
It's destined to be a slippery slope.
In fact, it already has slipped a long time ago: see sterilization in 1927.
Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend
Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception
With COVID, you could keep pursuing more extreme measures, but where do you draw a line?
Move to Florida
DeSantis is making it all optional and based on personal choice
My Governor
Sam Lowry said:Why?Doc Holliday said:Forced vaccinations and masks.Sam Lowry said:I'd at least draw it at anything unconstitutional. Where else would you suggest?Doc Holliday said:Nope, I'm in favor of drawing red lines.Sam Lowry said:So you're against any environmental regulation? Nuclear waste anywhere and everywhere, just have at it?Doc Holliday said:Then government power is limitless in pursuing a subjective view of public welfare.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
It's destined to be a slippery slope.
In fact, it already has slipped a long time ago: see sterilization in 1927.
Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend
Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception
With COVID, you could keep pursuing more extreme measures, but where do you draw a line?
Why not you airhead hypochondriac?
Hypochondriac pretty much describes your ilkies
We're dealing in fear and panic. The government has an interest in control and power. They express it through several "public" interests. Citizens decide how far they allow it to encroach on their freedom. One thing is clear throughout history though, fear will make citizens enable incredible encroachment.Sam Lowry said:This is very scattershot. It's your analogy. Can we agree the government has an interest in public health, or are we still dealing in libertarian fantasy? You tell me and we'll argue the details.ATL Bear said:Human breathing as a parallel to toxic waste. Good grief. Even smoking isn't as restricted as what you seem to be advocating. This goes no where because you're being obstinate and cowardly. Protect yourself Sam. You have a litany of options. Let others live with their individual choices. That's what free people and societies do.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
Sam Lowry said:That's not a real answer. Everyone is okay with shutting down some business and interfering with some contracts.Carlos Cruz said:Doc Holliday said:Forced vaccinations and masks.Sam Lowry said:I'd at least draw it at anything unconstitutional. Where else would you suggest?Doc Holliday said:Nope, I'm in favor of drawing red lines.Sam Lowry said:So you're against any environmental regulation? Nuclear waste anywhere and everywhere, just have at it?Doc Holliday said:Then government power is limitless in pursuing a subjective view of public welfare.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
It's destined to be a slippery slope.
In fact, it already has slipped a long time ago: see sterilization in 1927.
Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend
Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception
With COVID, you could keep pursuing more extreme measures, but where do you draw a line?
Shutting down business and interfering with and impairing private contracts.
No, no everyone is not ok shutting down businesses and destroy people financially
You lack compassion besides being a hypochondriac
It's unconstitutional.Sam Lowry said:Why?Doc Holliday said:Forced vaccinations and masks.Sam Lowry said:I'd at least draw it at anything unconstitutional. Where else would you suggest?Doc Holliday said:Nope, I'm in favor of drawing red lines.Sam Lowry said:So you're against any environmental regulation? Nuclear waste anywhere and everywhere, just have at it?Doc Holliday said:Then government power is limitless in pursuing a subjective view of public welfare.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
It's destined to be a slippery slope.
In fact, it already has slipped a long time ago: see sterilization in 1927.
Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend
Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception
With COVID, you could keep pursuing more extreme measures, but where do you draw a line?
Another pro-choicer. Great.Carlos Cruz said:Sam Lowry said:That's not a real answer. Everyone is okay with shutting down some business and interfering with some contracts.Carlos Cruz said:Doc Holliday said:Forced vaccinations and masks.Sam Lowry said:I'd at least draw it at anything unconstitutional. Where else would you suggest?Doc Holliday said:Nope, I'm in favor of drawing red lines.Sam Lowry said:So you're against any environmental regulation? Nuclear waste anywhere and everywhere, just have at it?Doc Holliday said:Then government power is limitless in pursuing a subjective view of public welfare.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
It's destined to be a slippery slope.
In fact, it already has slipped a long time ago: see sterilization in 1927.
Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend
Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception
With COVID, you could keep pursuing more extreme measures, but where do you draw a line?
Shutting down business and interfering with and impairing private contracts.
Nope.
Florda_mike said:Doc Holliday said:Forced vaccinations and masks.Sam Lowry said:I'd at least draw it at anything unconstitutional. Where else would you suggest?Doc Holliday said:Nope, I'm in favor of drawing red lines.Sam Lowry said:So you're against any environmental regulation? Nuclear waste anywhere and everywhere, just have at it?Doc Holliday said:Then government power is limitless in pursuing a subjective view of public welfare.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
It's destined to be a slippery slope.
In fact, it already has slipped a long time ago: see sterilization in 1927.
Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend
Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception
With COVID, you could keep pursuing more extreme measures, but where do you draw a line?
Move to Florida
DeSantis is making it all optional and based on personal choice
My Governor
I'll be there in two weeks. Apparently Disneyland doesn't share his feelings as it's a requirement in their parks.
Get in line with the faux-lifers.Oldbear83 said:Not everyone.Sam Lowry said:That's not a real answer. Everyone is okay with shutting down some business and interfering with some contracts.Carlos Cruz said:Doc Holliday said:Forced vaccinations and masks.Sam Lowry said:I'd at least draw it at anything unconstitutional. Where else would you suggest?Doc Holliday said:Nope, I'm in favor of drawing red lines.Sam Lowry said:So you're against any environmental regulation? Nuclear waste anywhere and everywhere, just have at it?Doc Holliday said:Then government power is limitless in pursuing a subjective view of public welfare.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
It's destined to be a slippery slope.
In fact, it already has slipped a long time ago: see sterilization in 1927.
Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend
Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception
With COVID, you could keep pursuing more extreme measures, but where do you draw a line?
Shutting down business and interfering with and impairing private contracts.
nein51 said:Florda_mike said:Doc Holliday said:Forced vaccinations and masks.Sam Lowry said:I'd at least draw it at anything unconstitutional. Where else would you suggest?Doc Holliday said:Nope, I'm in favor of drawing red lines.Sam Lowry said:So you're against any environmental regulation? Nuclear waste anywhere and everywhere, just have at it?Doc Holliday said:Then government power is limitless in pursuing a subjective view of public welfare.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
It's destined to be a slippery slope.
In fact, it already has slipped a long time ago: see sterilization in 1927.
Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend
Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception
With COVID, you could keep pursuing more extreme measures, but where do you draw a line?
Move to Florida
DeSantis is making it all optional and based on personal choice
My Governor
I'll be there in two weeks. Apparently Disneyland doesn't share his feelings as it's a requirement in their parks.
Disneyland is in California.
It isn't. Next guess?Doc Holliday said:It's unconstitutional.Sam Lowry said:Why?Doc Holliday said:Forced vaccinations and masks.Sam Lowry said:I'd at least draw it at anything unconstitutional. Where else would you suggest?Doc Holliday said:Nope, I'm in favor of drawing red lines.Sam Lowry said:So you're against any environmental regulation? Nuclear waste anywhere and everywhere, just have at it?Doc Holliday said:Then government power is limitless in pursuing a subjective view of public welfare.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
It's destined to be a slippery slope.
In fact, it already has slipped a long time ago: see sterilization in 1927.
Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend
Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception
With COVID, you could keep pursuing more extreme measures, but where do you draw a line?
D. C. Bear said:nein51 said:Florda_mike said:Doc Holliday said:Forced vaccinations and masks.Sam Lowry said:I'd at least draw it at anything unconstitutional. Where else would you suggest?Doc Holliday said:Nope, I'm in favor of drawing red lines.Sam Lowry said:So you're against any environmental regulation? Nuclear waste anywhere and everywhere, just have at it?Doc Holliday said:Then government power is limitless in pursuing a subjective view of public welfare.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
It's destined to be a slippery slope.
In fact, it already has slipped a long time ago: see sterilization in 1927.
Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend
Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception
With COVID, you could keep pursuing more extreme measures, but where do you draw a line?
Move to Florida
DeSantis is making it all optional and based on personal choice
My Governor
I'll be there in two weeks. Apparently Disneyland doesn't share his feelings as it's a requirement in their parks.
Disneyland is in California.
Whatever mouse property is in Orlando/Kissimmee. Our annual conference is at the ******d and our entertainment event was scheduled at mouse HQ. Forgive me for not knowing which is which as I'm not a child who could give a mouses rear about a theme park.
More generalities. What does this have to do with pandemics, or with Covid in particular?ATL Bear said:We're dealing in fear and panic. The government has an interest in control and power. They express it through several "public" interests. Citizens decide how far they allow it to encroach on their freedom. One thing is clear throughout history though, fear will make citizens enable incredible encroachment.Sam Lowry said:This is very scattershot. It's your analogy. Can we agree the government has an interest in public health, or are we still dealing in libertarian fantasy? You tell me and we'll argue the details.ATL Bear said:Human breathing as a parallel to toxic waste. Good grief. Even smoking isn't as restricted as what you seem to be advocating. This goes no where because you're being obstinate and cowardly. Protect yourself Sam. You have a litany of options. Let others live with their individual choices. That's what free people and societies do.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
nein51 said:Florda_mike said:Doc Holliday said:Forced vaccinations and masks.Sam Lowry said:I'd at least draw it at anything unconstitutional. Where else would you suggest?Doc Holliday said:Nope, I'm in favor of drawing red lines.Sam Lowry said:So you're against any environmental regulation? Nuclear waste anywhere and everywhere, just have at it?Doc Holliday said:Then government power is limitless in pursuing a subjective view of public welfare.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
It's destined to be a slippery slope.
In fact, it already has slipped a long time ago: see sterilization in 1927.
Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend
Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception
With COVID, you could keep pursuing more extreme measures, but where do you draw a line?
Move to Florida
DeSantis is making it all optional and based on personal choice
My Governor
I'll be there in two weeks. Apparently Disneyland doesn't share his feelings as it's a requirement in their parks.
Yeah wish they'd lift that
It's terrible hot there mid August even without masks. Masks have got to be causing problems for older and overweight people there.
Seriously, be careful with that heat
Disney is a special place
Sam: garbled, logic-free snarl
I miss Rational Sam.
I miss Rational Sam.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
A leftist wouldn't ban fast food, they would just make it illegal for anyone to consume.Sam Lowry said:Right, because they're all "epidemics." You make a great leftist, man.Rawhide said:
In the interest of public health and safety, maybe it's time we ban alcohol, fast food, sugary drinks and put speed governors on all cars. Oh, and outlaw guns.
Some would say principles, which don't matter to you anymore, only the fear of COVID.Sam Lowry said:More generalities. What does this have to do with pandemics, or with Covid in particular?ATL Bear said:We're dealing in fear and panic. The government has an interest in control and power. They express it through several "public" interests. Citizens decide how far they allow it to encroach on their freedom. One thing is clear throughout history though, fear will make citizens enable incredible encroachment.Sam Lowry said:This is very scattershot. It's your analogy. Can we agree the government has an interest in public health, or are we still dealing in libertarian fantasy? You tell me and we'll argue the details.ATL Bear said:Human breathing as a parallel to toxic waste. Good grief. Even smoking isn't as restricted as what you seem to be advocating. This goes no where because you're being obstinate and cowardly. Protect yourself Sam. You have a litany of options. Let others live with their individual choices. That's what free people and societies do.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
What is the principle? That's precisely what I'm asking you and Doc, because I think you may have some. It isn't property rights. So?ATL Bear said:Some would say principles, which don't matter to you anymore, only the fear of COVID.Sam Lowry said:More generalities. What does this have to do with pandemics, or with Covid in particular?ATL Bear said:We're dealing in fear and panic. The government has an interest in control and power. They express it through several "public" interests. Citizens decide how far they allow it to encroach on their freedom. One thing is clear throughout history though, fear will make citizens enable incredible encroachment.Sam Lowry said:This is very scattershot. It's your analogy. Can we agree the government has an interest in public health, or are we still dealing in libertarian fantasy? You tell me and we'll argue the details.ATL Bear said:Human breathing as a parallel to toxic waste. Good grief. Even smoking isn't as restricted as what you seem to be advocating. This goes no where because you're being obstinate and cowardly. Protect yourself Sam. You have a litany of options. Let others live with their individual choices. That's what free people and societies do.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
Like I said, fear makes people trade freedom for security.
Or in your case, lives for the economy.Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
Like I said, fear makes people trade freedom for security.
Sam Lowry said:Or in your case, lives for the economy.Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
Like I said, fear makes people trade freedom for security.
You mean what is left of the economy after clowns like you are finished with their FearFest.
Just because something passed doesn't make it constitutional.Sam Lowry said:It isn't. Next guess?Doc Holliday said:It's unconstitutional.Sam Lowry said:Why?Doc Holliday said:Forced vaccinations and masks.Sam Lowry said:I'd at least draw it at anything unconstitutional. Where else would you suggest?Doc Holliday said:Nope, I'm in favor of drawing red lines.Sam Lowry said:So you're against any environmental regulation? Nuclear waste anywhere and everywhere, just have at it?Doc Holliday said:Then government power is limitless in pursuing a subjective view of public welfare.Sam Lowry said:You brought it up, but it doesn't go anywhere surprising. Government has a legitimate interest in safeguarding air quality and human life. No one has unlimited freedom to spew toxic waste.ATL Bear said:I know where this is going. All I can say is, wow Sam. Everyone is a public danger, so let's control everyone, instead of free people using their judgement to make their own choices. Protect me from myself Mother government.Sam Lowry said:That fine as long as you can hold your breath. Otherwise the air is a public good.ATL Bear said:From the point it enters and exits my body I would assume so.Sam Lowry said:Do you?ATL Bear said:Does government own the air we breathe?Sam Lowry said:Pregnancy isn't airborne. I'm sure you can imagine the demand for precautions if it were.ATL Bear said:Agree, and? This is about lowering the opportunity for death/harm caused by the actions of another, right? Isn't that your "prolife" argument for masks? Wearing a mask isn't healthcare any more than wearing a condom is.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:I wouldn't support government mandated condom wearing to prevent abortion.Sam Lowry said:It is shocking how indifferent you "pro-lifers" have become. It's as if you have no faith at all.Mothra said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mask up Sam. Board up your windows with plywood and make sure your Papa John's delivery guy has on a Haz-Mat suit when he delivers your pizza. If the Haz-Mat suit is white, you should reject the pizza delivery and make sure he or someone else comes back in a black Haz-Mat suit. I really hope your pizza does not get cold!Sam Lowry said:Evidently not.Rawhide said:Your average American is sick and tired of masks, mandates and lockdownsDoc Holliday said:
Lockdown coming back?BREAKING: The Biden administration indicates they are open to returning to lockdowns. pic.twitter.com/lcj66Fggkz
— (((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio (@jasonrantz) July 29, 2021
It is shocking what a coward this guy's turned into. I didn't always agree with him, but could always count on him to give a thoughtful and reasoned conservative position.
On this issue, you couldn't distinguish him from the big govt. lefties who haven't seen a mask mandate or lockdown they didn't like. It's as if he has no faith at all.
The old saying remains true - people will trade freedom for security. That seems to be the case with poor Sam.
I'm not arguing against mask usage, just the governmental mandating of it. Hence the parallel.
It's destined to be a slippery slope.
In fact, it already has slipped a long time ago: see sterilization in 1927.
Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend
Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception
With COVID, you could keep pursuing more extreme measures, but where do you draw a line?
I've been asking this question for a while now.
Why aren't those who are concerned over COVID previously showing the same level of concern over flu? You weren't urging people to get flu vaccines, wear masks or social distance.
If your standards don't apply to everything, you're a hypocrite. End of story.
We're clearly a country of half truths, stereotypes and hysteria.
100 thousand people can die of the flu and we don’t bat an eye. No measures are taken. Nothing is done. It’s barely discussed. But the attitude towards COVID is that no amount of death is tolerable. No risk is acceptable. This simply makes no sense at all.
— Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) July 30, 2021
Why aren't those who are concerned over COVID previously showing the same level of concern over flu? You weren't urging people to get flu vaccines, wear masks or social distance.
If your standards don't apply to everything, you're a hypocrite. End of story.
We're clearly a country of half truths, stereotypes and hysteria.
Doc Holliday said:
I've been asking this question for a while now.100 thousand people can die of the flu and we don’t bat an eye. No measures are taken. Nothing is done. It’s barely discussed. But the attitude towards COVID is that no amount of death is tolerable. No risk is acceptable. This simply makes no sense at all.
— Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) July 30, 2021
Why aren't those who are concerned over COVID previously showing the same level of concern over flu? You weren't urging people to get flu vaccines, wear masks or social distance.
If your standards don't apply to everything, you're a hypocrite. End of story.
We're clearly a country of half truths, stereotypes and hysteria.
Because we are now ruled by those who never let a crisis go to waste. Once the fear and panic subside, we may return to soberly evaluating risk/reward and cost/benefit rather than hysterically repeating the mantra "if it saves just one life."
We need something like a virus severity rating sort of like we have rating agencies for commercial and government debt and credit, just so these types of decisions aren't so arbitrary.
At least we'd have something to go off of to reference to serve as something of a predefined standardized decision rule everyone, or at least most people, can agree to ahead of time i.e. if it is currently rated as a disease with severity " X " then these types of interventions automatically go into effect, if it gets "downgraded" you stop doing said interventions then let competition take care of the finer details of what goes into how the disease actually gets its specific severity rating
At least we'd have something to go off of to reference to serve as something of a predefined standardized decision rule everyone, or at least most people, can agree to ahead of time i.e. if it is currently rated as a disease with severity " X " then these types of interventions automatically go into effect, if it gets "downgraded" you stop doing said interventions then let competition take care of the finer details of what goes into how the disease actually gets its specific severity rating
jupiter said:
We need something like a virus severity rating sort of like we have rating agencies for commercial and government debt and credit, just so these types of decisions aren't so arbitrary.
At least we'd have something to go off of to reference to serve as something of a predefined standardized decision rule everyone, or at least most people, can agree to ahead of time i.e. if it is currently rated as a disease with severity " X " then these types of interventions automatically go into effect, if it gets "downgraded" you stop doing said interventions then let competition take care of the finer details of what goes into how the disease actually gets its specific severity rating
Why? So the virus' severity can be manipulated like credit ratings? We have had such a system in place for years now and starts with how many cycles you use on a pcr test.