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Very little of what's being said matters, because almost all of it is based on a false premise.

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So you deny that anyone called it a pandemic of the unvaccinated?

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No, why would I? Do you feel like that's some kind of bombshell?

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Except that they were calling it a pandemic of the unvaccinated and if you didn't get one, then you're a murderer. Really, saw them say it on CNN.

Also recall that our resident idiots tried to insinuate (or even flat out say) that if you didn't get vaxxed, you were selfish and didn't care about other people because you'd be spreading it all around. Then lo and behold, come to find out that even the vaxxed were spreading it. So the narrative had to quickly change to "well, you need to get vaxxed because it will keep out of the hospital"

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Cool story.

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true story

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You keep banging your head and wondering why the walls are conspiring against you.

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funny, coming from the guy that has spent the last 2 years locking himself behind his walls because on the other side, it's a Covid apocalypse of epic proportions.

Are you trying to deny that the left was saying it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated, that the maskless were murderers, that liberals accused others of being selfish and not caring about other lives because they didn't get vaxxed?

Or are you just being a tard again?

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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Rawhide said:

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Very little of what's being said matters, because almost all of it is based on a false premise.

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So you deny that anyone called it a pandemic of the unvaccinated?

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No, why would I? Do you feel like that's some kind of bombshell?

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Well it's odd then Sam. I wrote what others have said, then you replied cool story and I said true story then you went off in left field about wall and conspiracy or something... almost like trying to imply leftists never said those things.

Maybe you were trying to be humorous (fail) or maybe you were just being a tard again.

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Very little of what's being said matters, because almost all of it is based on a false premise.

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I'm afraid of what you and others would justify if there was a virus with a 75% chance of survivability.

I also don't think you realize how fragile our republic is.

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I think we lost the Republic in 1861. We've been a Federation with a growing Central control ever since.

Thomas Jefferson has already been canceled, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Paine are banned from most school lessons, and George Washington's actual life has been replaced with a fiction less real than a Disney film.

What's sad is that today's American would not pay attention to Frederick Douglass or Robert Morris, either. No one who established the United States would be woke enough for the mobaratti.

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Government regulation is necessary, but it's carried out by people who fleece it. The problem is there's not enough regulation and accountability placed on regulators. That's where our republic is falling apart.

We're a country of sellouts. Money talks. Cash is king.

I'm not opposed to centralized government, or even mass welfare in its theory. We're just so damn arrogant that we think our society is largely made up of good and honest people and it's just not true. We can't trust the people running government with the power we give them until we hold them accountable.

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One advantage to decentralized government is that one person or group cannot easily control the whole. If Congress were only allowed to own homes outside DC and stay in dorm-type lodging while in session, that would be a help.

Make Lobbying a felony would help as well.

I do think we have a large number of good and reasonable people. But we desperately need term limits for all Federal offices, and pay should be a lot close to what regular people make.

While I am wishing for what will never happen, I'd like to have my 35-year-old body again and a do-over on every major financial decision I made since 1970.

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You were represented by lobbyists in former jobs who wanted to maintain a monopoly (Reliant?)

I bet 99% of the posters on the board are represented by lobbyists

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My employer was represented by lobbyists, not me. Rather an important difference.

Back in 1976, my dad was able to walk in and visit Senator John Tower in his office. What do you suppose would happen if a regular guy like you or me tried to visit our Representative or Senator?

The world had changed, and not for the better.

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You worked for the company and cashed the check from a monopolist. They hired a multiple lobbyists trying to maintain their monopoly.

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Now that's BS. Reliant never had a monopoly, and they were not even the largest company in Texas (that would be TXU).

My checks were guilt-free. Certainly more ethical than the work of most elected officials in my lifetime.

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Reliant was Houston Industries and became Reliant. Your checks should have been guilt free even though you were represented by a team of lobbyists because there is nothing wrong with it. Reliant and TXU had the same lobbyists (AECT) plus their own lobbyists

Most elected officials I know are ethical.

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Reliant used to be Houston Lighting & Power for many years. I think you are confusing the Wholesale company with the Retail one.

And the last line is pure Jiminy Cricket.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Very little of what's being said matters, because almost all of it is based on a false premise.

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So you deny that anyone called it a pandemic of the unvaccinated?

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No, why would I? Do you feel like that's some kind of bombshell?

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Well it's odd then Sam. I wrote what others have said, then you replied cool story and I said true story then you went off in left field about wall and conspiracy or something... almost like trying to imply leftists never said those things.

Maybe you were trying to be humorous (fail) or maybe you were just being a tard again.

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The phrase does exist. Congratulations, I guess.

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BREAKING: The Biden administration will extend for two weeks the nationwide mask requirement for public transit as it monitors an uptick in COVID-19 cases, according to a person familiar with the matter.

The order was initially set to expire on April 18.https://t.co/c9DMPuxZZh

— The Associated Press (@AP) April 13, 2022

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Sam Lowry said:

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Except that they were calling it a pandemic of the unvaccinated and if you didn't get one, then you're a murderer. Really, saw them say it on CNN.

Also recall that our resident idiots tried to insinuate (or even flat out say) that if you didn't get vaxxed, you were selfish and didn't care about other people because you'd be spreading it all around. Then lo and behold, come to find out that even the vaxxed were spreading it. So the narrative had to quickly change to "well, you need to get vaxxed because it will keep out of the hospital"

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Cool story.

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true story

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You keep banging your head and wondering why the walls are conspiring against you.

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funny, coming from the guy that has spent the last 2 years locking himself behind his walls because on the other side, it's a Covid apocalypse of epic proportions.

Are you trying to deny that the left was saying it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated, that the maskless were murderers, that liberals accused others of being selfish and not caring about other lives because they didn't get vaxxed?

Or are you just being a tard again?

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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And that would be incorrect.

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Sam Lowry said:

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true story

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You keep banging your head and wondering why the walls are conspiring against you.

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funny, coming from the guy that has spent the last 2 years locking himself behind his walls because on the other side, it's a Covid apocalypse of epic proportions.

Are you trying to deny that the left was saying it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated, that the maskless were murderers, that liberals accused others of being selfish and not caring about other lives because they didn't get vaxxed?

Or are you just being a tard again?

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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And that would be incorrect.

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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true story

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You keep banging your head and wondering why the walls are conspiring against you.

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funny, coming from the guy that has spent the last 2 years locking himself behind his walls because on the other side, it's a Covid apocalypse of epic proportions.

Are you trying to deny that the left was saying it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated, that the maskless were murderers, that liberals accused others of being selfish and not caring about other lives because they didn't get vaxxed?

Or are you just being a tard again?

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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And that would be incorrect.

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That presumes a false dilemma = everyone must wear masks and get vaxxed or no one is protected.

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whiterock said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Except that they were calling it a pandemic of the unvaccinated and if you didn't get one, then you're a murderer. Really, saw them say it on CNN.

Also recall that our resident idiots tried to insinuate (or even flat out say) that if you didn't get vaxxed, you were selfish and didn't care about other people because you'd be spreading it all around. Then lo and behold, come to find out that even the vaxxed were spreading it. So the narrative had to quickly change to "well, you need to get vaxxed because it will keep out of the hospital"

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Cool story.

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true story

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You keep banging your head and wondering why the walls are conspiring against you.

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funny, coming from the guy that has spent the last 2 years locking himself behind his walls because on the other side, it's a Covid apocalypse of epic proportions.

Are you trying to deny that the left was saying it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated, that the maskless were murderers, that liberals accused others of being selfish and not caring about other lives because they didn't get vaxxed?

Or are you just being a tard again?

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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true story

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You keep banging your head and wondering why the walls are conspiring against you.

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funny, coming from the guy that has spent the last 2 years locking himself behind his walls because on the other side, it's a Covid apocalypse of epic proportions.

Are you trying to deny that the left was saying it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated, that the maskless were murderers, that liberals accused others of being selfish and not caring about other lives because they didn't get vaxxed?

Or are you just being a tard again?

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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And that would be incorrect.

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That presumes a false dilemma = everyone must wear masks and get vaxxed or no one is protected.

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No No. Sam could simply put an air tight plastic bag over his head and he will be completely and utterly safe from Covid1984.

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true story

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You keep banging your head and wondering why the walls are conspiring against you.

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funny, coming from the guy that has spent the last 2 years locking himself behind his walls because on the other side, it's a Covid apocalypse of epic proportions.

Are you trying to deny that the left was saying it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated, that the maskless were murderers, that liberals accused others of being selfish and not caring about other lives because they didn't get vaxxed?

Or are you just being a tard again?

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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And that would be incorrect.

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That presumes a false dilemma = everyone must wear masks and get vaxxed or no one is protected.

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No No. Sam could simply put an air tight plastic bag over his head and he will be completely and utterly safe from Covid1984.

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Won't someone think of the children!?!

Except the ones who went to Disneyworld, they deserve all the hate we can muster.

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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true story

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You keep banging your head and wondering why the walls are conspiring against you.

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funny, coming from the guy that has spent the last 2 years locking himself behind his walls because on the other side, it's a Covid apocalypse of epic proportions.

Are you trying to deny that the left was saying it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated, that the maskless were murderers, that liberals accused others of being selfish and not caring about other lives because they didn't get vaxxed?

Or are you just being a tard again?

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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And that would be incorrect.

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That presumes a false dilemma = everyone must wear masks and get vaxxed or no one is protected.

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D. C. Bear said:

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quash said:

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whiterock said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Except that they were calling it a pandemic of the unvaccinated and if you didn't get one, then you're a murderer. Really, saw them say it on CNN.

Also recall that our resident idiots tried to insinuate (or even flat out say) that if you didn't get vaxxed, you were selfish and didn't care about other people because you'd be spreading it all around. Then lo and behold, come to find out that even the vaxxed were spreading it. So the narrative had to quickly change to "well, you need to get vaxxed because it will keep out of the hospital"

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Cool story.

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true story

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You keep banging your head and wondering why the walls are conspiring against you.

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funny, coming from the guy that has spent the last 2 years locking himself behind his walls because on the other side, it's a Covid apocalypse of epic proportions.

Are you trying to deny that the left was saying it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated, that the maskless were murderers, that liberals accused others of being selfish and not caring about other lives because they didn't get vaxxed?

Or are you just being a tard again?

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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Did you miss the last two years? Masks protect others.

And some immunocompromised individuals are kids that can't get vaccinated.

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It was worth a shot, but I haven't seen a lot of evidence that masks protect much of anyone.

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quash said:

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whiterock said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Except that they were calling it a pandemic of the unvaccinated and if you didn't get one, then you're a murderer. Really, saw them say it on CNN.

Also recall that our resident idiots tried to insinuate (or even flat out say) that if you didn't get vaxxed, you were selfish and didn't care about other people because you'd be spreading it all around. Then lo and behold, come to find out that even the vaxxed were spreading it. So the narrative had to quickly change to "well, you need to get vaxxed because it will keep out of the hospital"

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Cool story.

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true story

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You keep banging your head and wondering why the walls are conspiring against you.

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funny, coming from the guy that has spent the last 2 years locking himself behind his walls because on the other side, it's a Covid apocalypse of epic proportions.

Are you trying to deny that the left was saying it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated, that the maskless were murderers, that liberals accused others of being selfish and not caring about other lives because they didn't get vaxxed?

Or are you just being a tard again?

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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Did you miss the last two years? Masks protect others.

And some immunocompromised individuals are kids that can't get vaccinated.

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quash said:

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quash said:

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whiterock said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Except that they were calling it a pandemic of the unvaccinated and if you didn't get one, then you're a murderer. Really, saw them say it on CNN.

Also recall that our resident idiots tried to insinuate (or even flat out say) that if you didn't get vaxxed, you were selfish and didn't care about other people because you'd be spreading it all around. Then lo and behold, come to find out that even the vaxxed were spreading it. So the narrative had to quickly change to "well, you need to get vaxxed because it will keep out of the hospital"

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Cool story.

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true story

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You keep banging your head and wondering why the walls are conspiring against you.

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funny, coming from the guy that has spent the last 2 years locking himself behind his walls because on the other side, it's a Covid apocalypse of epic proportions.

Are you trying to deny that the left was saying it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated, that the maskless were murderers, that liberals accused others of being selfish and not caring about other lives because they didn't get vaxxed?

Or are you just being a tard again?

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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Did you miss the last two years? Masks protect others.

And some immunocompromised individuals are kids that can't get vaccinated.

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It was worth a shot, but I haven't seen a lot of evidence that masks protect much of anyone.

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It's difficult to quantify the uninfected.

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D. C. Bear said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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quash said:

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whiterock said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Except that they were calling it a pandemic of the unvaccinated and if you didn't get one, then you're a murderer. Really, saw them say it on CNN.

Also recall that our resident idiots tried to insinuate (or even flat out say) that if you didn't get vaxxed, you were selfish and didn't care about other people because you'd be spreading it all around. Then lo and behold, come to find out that even the vaxxed were spreading it. So the narrative had to quickly change to "well, you need to get vaxxed because it will keep out of the hospital"

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Cool story.

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true story

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You keep banging your head and wondering why the walls are conspiring against you.

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funny, coming from the guy that has spent the last 2 years locking himself behind his walls because on the other side, it's a Covid apocalypse of epic proportions.

Are you trying to deny that the left was saying it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated, that the maskless were murderers, that liberals accused others of being selfish and not caring about other lives because they didn't get vaxxed?

Or are you just being a tard again?

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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Did you miss the last two years? Masks protect others.

And some immunocompromised individuals are kids that can't get vaccinated.

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It was worth a shot, but I haven't seen a lot of evidence that masks protect much of anyone.

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It's difficult to quantify the uninfected.

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It is not particularly difficult to see the impact of mask mandates on case levels, and there isn't a whole lot of strong evidence to commend masking that I have seen.

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I was an early mask adopter -- & they make intuitive sense -- but a growing body of evidence shows that mask mandates don't appear to make much difference at the community level. pic.twitter.com/wnfBUKcZuM

— Liz Highleyman (@LizHighleyman) April 13, 2022

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true story

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You keep banging your head and wondering why the walls are conspiring against you.

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funny, coming from the guy that has spent the last 2 years locking himself behind his walls because on the other side, it's a Covid apocalypse of epic proportions.

Are you trying to deny that the left was saying it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated, that the maskless were murderers, that liberals accused others of being selfish and not caring about other lives because they didn't get vaxxed?

Or are you just being a tard again?

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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And that would be incorrect.

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That presumes a false dilemma = everyone must wear masks and get vaxxed or no one is protected.

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Masks mostly protect others. People with immune issues can't always get vaccinated, and when they do, it may not work as well.

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Masks haven't shown much if any real protection. If someone is that vulnerable they will have to take extra personal precautions, because they aren't going to be protected from harm by other's masks or vaccinations. You can wear air filtered full masks for personal protection. We need to stop digging for every possible human vulnerability to define policy. The immuno-compromised survive COVID in relatively high numbers also, especially children. I know that's a shocking reality to some.

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Sam Lowry said:

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true story

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You keep banging your head and wondering why the walls are conspiring against you.

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funny, coming from the guy that has spent the last 2 years locking himself behind his walls because on the other side, it's a Covid apocalypse of epic proportions.

Are you trying to deny that the left was saying it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated, that the maskless were murderers, that liberals accused others of being selfish and not caring about other lives because they didn't get vaxxed?

Or are you just being a tard again?

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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And that would be incorrect.

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That presumes a false dilemma = everyone must wear masks and get vaxxed or no one is protected.

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Masks mostly protect others. People with immune issues can't always get vaccinated, and when they do, it may not work as well.

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Masks haven't shown much if any real protection. If someone is that vulnerable they will have to take extra personal precautions, because they aren't going to be protected from harm by other's masks or vaccinations. You can wear air filtered full masks for personal protection. We need to stop digging for every possible human vulnerability to define policy. The immuno-compromised survive COVID in relatively high numbers also, especially children. I know that's a shocking reality to some.

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No one is defining policy that way. No one ever thought masks would keep anyone from ever getting Covid. I can only repeat what I've said from the beginning - the purpose of mitigation was to keep the hospitals running and buy time for a vaccine.

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true story

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You keep banging your head and wondering why the walls are conspiring against you.

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funny, coming from the guy that has spent the last 2 years locking himself behind his walls because on the other side, it's a Covid apocalypse of epic proportions.

Are you trying to deny that the left was saying it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated, that the maskless were murderers, that liberals accused others of being selfish and not caring about other lives because they didn't get vaxxed?

Or are you just being a tard again?

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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And that would be incorrect.

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That presumes a false dilemma = everyone must wear masks and get vaxxed or no one is protected.

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Masks mostly protect others. People with immune issues can't always get vaccinated, and when they do, it may not work as well.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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Did you miss the last two years? Masks protect others.

And some immunocompromised individuals are kids that can't get vaccinated.

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It was worth a shot, but I haven't seen a lot of evidence that masks protect much of anyone.

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It's difficult to quantify the uninfected.

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It is not particularly difficult to see the impact of mask mandates on case levels, and there isn't a whole lot of strong evidence to commend masking that I have seen.

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You keep banging your head and wondering why the walls are conspiring against you.

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funny, coming from the guy that has spent the last 2 years locking himself behind his walls because on the other side, it's a Covid apocalypse of epic proportions.

Are you trying to deny that the left was saying it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated, that the maskless were murderers, that liberals accused others of being selfish and not caring about other lives because they didn't get vaxxed?

Or are you just being a tard again?

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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And that would be incorrect.

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That presumes a false dilemma = everyone must wear masks and get vaxxed or no one is protected.

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Masks mostly protect others. People with immune issues can't always get vaccinated, and when they do, it may not work as well.

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Masks haven't shown much if any real protection. If someone is that vulnerable they will have to take extra personal precautions, because they aren't going to be protected from harm by other's masks or vaccinations. You can wear air filtered full masks for personal protection. We need to stop digging for every possible human vulnerability to define policy. The immuno-compromised survive COVID in relatively high numbers also, especially children. I know that's a shocking reality to some.

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No one is defining policy that way. No one ever thought masks would keep anyone from ever getting Covid. I can only repeat what I've said from the beginning - the purpose of mitigation was to keep the hospitals running and buy time for a vaccine.

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Ummm…We're still having mask mandates at many Federal and state levels while having not only vaccines but 2 boosters. We're way past flattening any hospital curves, which masks did little to assist anyway.

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true story

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You keep banging your head and wondering why the walls are conspiring against you.

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funny, coming from the guy that has spent the last 2 years locking himself behind his walls because on the other side, it's a Covid apocalypse of epic proportions.

Are you trying to deny that the left was saying it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated, that the maskless were murderers, that liberals accused others of being selfish and not caring about other lives because they didn't get vaxxed?

Or are you just being a tard again?

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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And that would be incorrect.

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That presumes a false dilemma = everyone must wear masks and get vaxxed or no one is protected.

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Masks mostly protect others. People with immune issues can't always get vaccinated, and when they do, it may not work as well.

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having failed to address the false dilemma, Sam reverts to a priori and argues that masks are effective when worn by healthy people but not when worn by the immune compromised.

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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Did you miss the last two years? Masks protect others.

And some immunocompromised individuals are kids that can't get vaccinated.

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It was worth a shot, but I haven't seen a lot of evidence that masks protect much of anyone.

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It's difficult to quantify the uninfected.

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It is not particularly difficult to see the impact of mask mandates on case levels, and there isn't a whole lot of strong evidence to commend masking that I have seen.

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It's amazing how unscientific the mask mandates are. The apertures between the fibers in a cloth mask are orders of magnitude larger than the virus in question. The masks literally cannot "stop" an aerosolized virus from being inhaled. (the known primary mechanism for infection).

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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true story

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You keep banging your head and wondering why the walls are conspiring against you.

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funny, coming from the guy that has spent the last 2 years locking himself behind his walls because on the other side, it's a Covid apocalypse of epic proportions.

Are you trying to deny that the left was saying it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated, that the maskless were murderers, that liberals accused others of being selfish and not caring about other lives because they didn't get vaxxed?

Or are you just being a tard again?

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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And that would be incorrect.

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That presumes a false dilemma = everyone must wear masks and get vaxxed or no one is protected.

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Masks mostly protect others. People with immune issues can't always get vaccinated, and when they do, it may not work as well.

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Masks haven't shown much if any real protection. If someone is that vulnerable they will have to take extra personal precautions, because they aren't going to be protected from harm by other's masks or vaccinations. You can wear air filtered full masks for personal protection. We need to stop digging for every possible human vulnerability to define policy. The immuno-compromised survive COVID in relatively high numbers also, especially children. I know that's a shocking reality to some.

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No one is defining policy that way. No one ever thought masks would keep anyone from ever getting Covid. I can only repeat what I've said from the beginning - the purpose of mitigation was to keep the hospitals running and buy time for a vaccine.

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Ummm…We're still having mask mandates at many Federal and state levels while having not only vaccines but 2 boosters. We're way past flattening any hospital curves, which masks did little to assist anyway.

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I like to think we are past it, but we don't really know yet. You and I have already argued mask science past the point of being productive.

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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Did you miss the last two years? Masks protect others.

And some immunocompromised individuals are kids that can't get vaccinated.

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It was worth a shot, but I haven't seen a lot of evidence that masks protect much of anyone.

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It's difficult to quantify the uninfected.

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It is not particularly difficult to see the impact of mask mandates on case levels, and there isn't a whole lot of strong evidence to commend masking that I have seen.

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It's amazing how unscientific the mask mandates are. The apertures between the fibers in a cloth mask are orders of magnitude larger than the virus in question. The masks literally cannot "stop" an aerosolized virus from being inhaled. (the known primary mechanism for infection).

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It's amazing how this scientific argument keeps getting repeated even after months and years of constant and relentless propaganda selling the false narrative that masks actually work to reduce transmission in any meaningful way in the general population.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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And that would be incorrect.

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That presumes a false dilemma = everyone must wear masks and get vaxxed or no one is protected.

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Masks mostly protect others. People with immune issues can't always get vaccinated, and when they do, it may not work as well.

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having failed to address the false dilemma, Sam reverts to a priori and argues that masks are effective when worn by healthy people but not when worn by the immune compromised.

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Your supposed dilemma wasn't part of my argument. You just lobbed it out there without reference to anything, so I wasn't sure what to say about it. If I'm reading the conversation correctly, you said immune deficient people can protect themselves, I said they can't, and you called false dilemma, I guess because some people are protected even if immune deficient people aren't. That's not me doing anything tricky, it's just you changing the subject (or "moving the goalposts," to use a favorite phrase).

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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And that would be incorrect.

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That presumes a false dilemma = everyone must wear masks and get vaxxed or no one is protected.

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Masks mostly protect others. People with immune issues can't always get vaccinated, and when they do, it may not work as well.

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having failed to address the false dilemma, Sam reverts to a priori and argues that masks are effective when worn by healthy people but not when worn by the immune compromised.

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Your supposed dilemma wasn't part of my argument. You just lobbed it out there without reference to anything, so I wasn't sure what to say about it. If I'm reading the conversation correctly, you said immune deficient people can protect themselves, I said they can't, and you called false dilemma, I guess because some people are protected even if immune deficient people aren't. That's not me doing anything tricky, it's just you changing the subject (or "moving the goalposts," to use a favorite phrase).

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put the goal posts down and address the question at hand: Do masks work, or not?

if one wishes to argue that they do (despite overwhelming science that they both couldn't and don't), then immune compromised persons are the only persons who would need to wear one.

Insisting that everyone in North America must wear a mask in order to protect the immune compromised is a self-incriminating argument, in that its premise is that a masked immune compromised person is not fully protected.

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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And that would be incorrect.

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That presumes a false dilemma = everyone must wear masks and get vaxxed or no one is protected.

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Masks mostly protect others. People with immune issues can't always get vaccinated, and when they do, it may not work as well.

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having failed to address the false dilemma, Sam reverts to a priori and argues that masks are effective when worn by healthy people but not when worn by the immune compromised.

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Your supposed dilemma wasn't part of my argument. You just lobbed it out there without reference to anything, so I wasn't sure what to say about it. If I'm reading the conversation correctly, you said immune deficient people can protect themselves, I said they can't, and you called false dilemma, I guess because some people are protected even if immune deficient people aren't. That's not me doing anything tricky, it's just you changing the subject (or "moving the goalposts," to use a favorite phrase).

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put the goal posts down and address the question at hand: Do masks work, or not?

if one wishes to argue that they do (despite overwhelming science that they both couldn't and don't), then immune compromised persons are the only persons who would need to wear one.

Insisting that everyone in North America must wear a mask in order to protect the immune compromised is a self-incriminating argument, in that its premise is that a masked immune compromised person is not fully protected.

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No one who's paying attention thinks a masked person is fully protected. You all are waging war against a whole army of straw men.

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Some people have immune deficiency issues. Show a little respect for differences.

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They can always get vaccinated and wear a mask to protect themselves. If they believe those things work, they should have no need to levy requirements on others to do the same.

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Did you miss the last two years? Masks protect others.

And some immunocompromised individuals are kids that can't get vaccinated.

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It was worth a shot, but I haven't seen a lot of evidence that masks protect much of anyone.

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It's difficult to quantify the uninfected.

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It is not particularly difficult to see the impact of mask mandates on case levels, and there isn't a whole lot of strong evidence to commend masking that I have seen.

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It's amazing how unscientific the mask mandates are. The apertures between the fibers in a cloth mask are orders of magnitude larger than the virus in question. The masks literally cannot "stop" an aerosolized virus from being inhaled. (the known primary mechanism for infection).

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It's amazing how this false and unscientific argument keeps getting repeated even after months and years.

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That presumes a false dilemma = everyone must wear masks and get vaxxed or no one is protected.

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Masks mostly protect others. People with immune issues can't always get vaccinated, and when they do, it may not work as well.

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having failed to address the false dilemma, Sam reverts to a priori and argues that masks are effective when worn by healthy people but not when worn by the immune compromised.

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Your supposed dilemma wasn't part of my argument. You just lobbed it out there without reference to anything, so I wasn't sure what to say about it. If I'm reading the conversation correctly, you said immune deficient people can protect themselves, I said they can't, and you called false dilemma, I guess because some people are protected even if immune deficient people aren't. That's not me doing anything tricky, it's just you changing the subject (or "moving the goalposts," to use a favorite phrase).

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put the goal posts down and address the question at hand: Do masks work, or not?

if one wishes to argue that they do (despite overwhelming science that they both couldn't and don't), then immune compromised persons are the only persons who would need to wear one.

Insisting that everyone in North America must wear a mask in order to protect the immune compromised is a self-incriminating argument, in that its premise is that a masked immune compromised person is not fully protected.

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No one who's paying attention thinks a masked person is fully protected. You all are waging war against a whole army of straw men.

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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That presumes a false dilemma = everyone must wear masks and get vaxxed or no one is protected.

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Masks mostly protect others. People with immune issues can't always get vaccinated, and when they do, it may not work as well.

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having failed to address the false dilemma, Sam reverts to a priori and argues that masks are effective when worn by healthy people but not when worn by the immune compromised.

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Your supposed dilemma wasn't part of my argument. You just lobbed it out there without reference to anything, so I wasn't sure what to say about it. If I'm reading the conversation correctly, you said immune deficient people can protect themselves, I said they can't, and you called false dilemma, I guess because some people are protected even if immune deficient people aren't. That's not me doing anything tricky, it's just you changing the subject (or "moving the goalposts," to use a favorite phrase).

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put the goal posts down and address the question at hand: Do masks work, or not?

if one wishes to argue that they do (despite overwhelming science that they both couldn't and don't), then immune compromised persons are the only persons who would need to wear one.

Insisting that everyone in North America must wear a mask in order to protect the immune compromised is a self-incriminating argument, in that its premise is that a masked immune compromised person is not fully protected.

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No one who's paying attention thinks a masked person is fully protected. You all are waging war against a whole army of straw men.

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So if you believe you are NOT fully protected when wearing a mask, then masks don't work and how can making me wear a mask benefit you?

If the mask works, it works. You can wear one and be protected. Wouldn't matter what others do.

It is amazing that you refuse to admit the internal contradiction of your argument - a unique twist on the bandwagon fallacy: if enough people wear masks, then everyone is protected (even though cloth masks cannot and do not stop the virus.)

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