Masks are Never Coming Off

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Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

quash said:

Rawhide said:

Sam Lowry said:

R said:

That presumes a false dilemma = everyone must wear masks and get vaxxed or no one is protected.






Masks mostly protect others. People with immune issues can't always get vaccinated, and when they do, it may not work as well.
having failed to address the false dilemma, Sam reverts to a priori and argues that masks are effective when worn by healthy people but not when worn by the immune compromised.


Your supposed dilemma wasn't part of my argument. You just lobbed it out there without reference to anything, so I wasn't sure what to say about it. If I'm reading the conversation correctly, you said immune deficient people can protect themselves, I said they can't, and you called false dilemma, I guess because some people are protected even if immune deficient people aren't. That's not me doing anything tricky, it's just you changing the subject (or "moving the goalposts," to use a favorite phrase).
put the goal posts down and address the question at hand: Do masks work, or not?

if one wishes to argue that they do (despite overwhelming science that they both couldn't and don't), then immune compromised persons are the only persons who would need to wear one.

Insisting that everyone in North America must wear a mask in order to protect the immune compromised is a self-incriminating argument, in that its premise is that a masked immune compromised person is not fully protected.

No one who's paying attention thinks a masked person is fully protected. You all are waging war against a whole army of straw men.
So if you believe you are NOT fully protected when wearing a mask, then masks don't work and how can making me wear a mask benefit you?

If the mask works, it works. You can wear one and be protected. Wouldn't matter what others do.

It is amazing that you refuse to admit the internal contradiction of your argument - a unique twist on the bandwagon fallacy: if enough people wear masks, then everyone is protected (even though cloth masks cannot and do not stop the virus.)




If you don't know the answer to that question after two years, you really shouldn't be opining on this topic.

Unbelievable.
As usual, a Sam-dance instead of a direct answer.
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Canon
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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

quash said:

Rawhide said:

Sam Lowry said:

R said:

That presumes a false dilemma = everyone must wear masks and get vaxxed or no one is protected.






Masks mostly protect others. People with immune issues can't always get vaccinated, and when they do, it may not work as well.
having failed to address the false dilemma, Sam reverts to a priori and argues that masks are effective when worn by healthy people but not when worn by the immune compromised.


Your supposed dilemma wasn't part of my argument. You just lobbed it out there without reference to anything, so I wasn't sure what to say about it. If I'm reading the conversation correctly, you said immune deficient people can protect themselves, I said they can't, and you called false dilemma, I guess because some people are protected even if immune deficient people aren't. That's not me doing anything tricky, it's just you changing the subject (or "moving the goalposts," to use a favorite phrase).
put the goal posts down and address the question at hand: Do masks work, or not?

if one wishes to argue that they do (despite overwhelming science that they both couldn't and don't), then immune compromised persons are the only persons who would need to wear one.

Insisting that everyone in North America must wear a mask in order to protect the immune compromised is a self-incriminating argument, in that its premise is that a masked immune compromised person is not fully protected.

No one who's paying attention thinks a masked person is fully protected. You all are waging war against a whole army of straw men.
So if you believe you are NOT fully protected when wearing a mask, then masks don't work and how can making me wear a mask benefit you?

If the mask works, it works. You can wear one and be protected. Wouldn't matter what others do.

It is amazing that you refuse to admit the internal contradiction of your argument - a unique twist on the bandwagon fallacy: if enough people wear masks, then everyone is protected (even though cloth masks cannot and do not stop the virus.)




If you don't know the answer to that question after two years, you really shouldn't be opining on this topic.

Unbelievable.


There's a big difference between YOUR leftist authoritarian answer and THE true answer. You've been repeating lies out of your abject cowardly terror for two years now.
FLBear5630
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whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

quash said:

Rawhide said:

Sam Lowry said:

R said:

That presumes a false dilemma = everyone must wear masks and get vaxxed or no one is protected.






Masks mostly protect others. People with immune issues can't always get vaccinated, and when they do, it may not work as well.
having failed to address the false dilemma, Sam reverts to a priori and argues that masks are effective when worn by healthy people but not when worn by the immune compromised.


Your supposed dilemma wasn't part of my argument. You just lobbed it out there without reference to anything, so I wasn't sure what to say about it. If I'm reading the conversation correctly, you said immune deficient people can protect themselves, I said they can't, and you called false dilemma, I guess because some people are protected even if immune deficient people aren't. That's not me doing anything tricky, it's just you changing the subject (or "moving the goalposts," to use a favorite phrase).
put the goal posts down and address the question at hand: Do masks work, or not?

if one wishes to argue that they do (despite overwhelming science that they both couldn't and don't), then immune compromised persons are the only persons who would need to wear one.

Insisting that everyone in North America must wear a mask in order to protect the immune compromised is a self-incriminating argument, in that its premise is that a masked immune compromised person is not fully protected.

No one who's paying attention thinks a masked person is fully protected. You all are waging war against a whole army of straw men.
So if you believe you are NOT fully protected when wearing a mask, then masks don't work and how can making me wear a mask benefit you?

If the mask works, it works. You can wear one and be protected. Wouldn't matter what others do.

It is amazing that you refuse to admit the internal contradiction of your argument - a unique twist on the bandwagon fallacy: if enough people wear masks, then everyone is protected (even though cloth masks cannot and do not stop the virus.)






I am not sure I agree with the marks work or ot doesn't logic for something as "gray" as medical. It may cut down risk, it may reduce the area of impact, or it may create a more uniform condition that is easier to control. So, there may be value to masking beyond either it works or doesn't, this isn't engineering or math.

That said, I have no problem with short term masking. But it needs a limit. I believe the value decreases over time and at some point other means like inoculations, vaccines or natural immunity have to be enough. Long term masking is more damaging than not masking at all, we are seeing that now especially with kids development. Just my view
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RMF5630 said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

quash said:

Rawhide said:

Sam Lowry said:

R said:

That presumes a false dilemma = everyone must wear masks and get vaxxed or no one is protected.






Masks mostly protect others. People with immune issues can't always get vaccinated, and when they do, it may not work as well.
having failed to address the false dilemma, Sam reverts to a priori and argues that masks are effective when worn by healthy people but not when worn by the immune compromised.


Your supposed dilemma wasn't part of my argument. You just lobbed it out there without reference to anything, so I wasn't sure what to say about it. If I'm reading the conversation correctly, you said immune deficient people can protect themselves, I said they can't, and you called false dilemma, I guess because some people are protected even if immune deficient people aren't. That's not me doing anything tricky, it's just you changing the subject (or "moving the goalposts," to use a favorite phrase).
put the goal posts down and address the question at hand: Do masks work, or not?

if one wishes to argue that they do (despite overwhelming science that they both couldn't and don't), then immune compromised persons are the only persons who would need to wear one.

Insisting that everyone in North America must wear a mask in order to protect the immune compromised is a self-incriminating argument, in that its premise is that a masked immune compromised person is not fully protected.

No one who's paying attention thinks a masked person is fully protected. You all are waging war against a whole army of straw men.
So if you believe you are NOT fully protected when wearing a mask, then masks don't work and how can making me wear a mask benefit you?

If the mask works, it works. You can wear one and be protected. Wouldn't matter what others do.

It is amazing that you refuse to admit the internal contradiction of your argument - a unique twist on the bandwagon fallacy: if enough people wear masks, then everyone is protected (even though cloth masks cannot and do not stop the virus.)






I am not sure I agree with the marks work or ot doesn't logic for something as "gray" as medical. It may cut down risk, it may reduce the area of impact, or it may create a more uniform condition that is easier to control. So, there may be value to masking beyond either it works or doesn't, this isn't engineering or math.

That said, I have no problem with short term masking. But it needs a limit. I believe the value decreases over time and at some point other means like inoculations, vaccines or natural immunity have to be enough. Long term masking is more damaging than not masking at all, we are seeing that now especially with kids development. Just my view

Careful, RMF. That's leftist authoritarian talk!
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Sam Lowry said:

RMF5630 said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

quash said:

Rawhide said:

Sam Lowry said:

R said:

That presumes a false dilemma = everyone must wear masks and get vaxxed or no one is protected.






Masks mostly protect others. People with immune issues can't always get vaccinated, and when they do, it may not work as well.
having failed to address the false dilemma, Sam reverts to a priori and argues that masks are effective when worn by healthy people but not when worn by the immune compromised.


Your supposed dilemma wasn't part of my argument. You just lobbed it out there without reference to anything, so I wasn't sure what to say about it. If I'm reading the conversation correctly, you said immune deficient people can protect themselves, I said they can't, and you called false dilemma, I guess because some people are protected even if immune deficient people aren't. That's not me doing anything tricky, it's just you changing the subject (or "moving the goalposts," to use a favorite phrase).
put the goal posts down and address the question at hand: Do masks work, or not?

if one wishes to argue that they do (despite overwhelming science that they both couldn't and don't), then immune compromised persons are the only persons who would need to wear one.

Insisting that everyone in North America must wear a mask in order to protect the immune compromised is a self-incriminating argument, in that its premise is that a masked immune compromised person is not fully protected.

No one who's paying attention thinks a masked person is fully protected. You all are waging war against a whole army of straw men.
So if you believe you are NOT fully protected when wearing a mask, then masks don't work and how can making me wear a mask benefit you?

If the mask works, it works. You can wear one and be protected. Wouldn't matter what others do.

It is amazing that you refuse to admit the internal contradiction of your argument - a unique twist on the bandwagon fallacy: if enough people wear masks, then everyone is protected (even though cloth masks cannot and do not stop the virus.)






I am not sure I agree with the marks work or ot doesn't logic for something as "gray" as medical. It may cut down risk, it may reduce the area of impact, or it may create a more uniform condition that is easier to control. So, there may be value to masking beyond either it works or doesn't, this isn't engineering or math.

That said, I have no problem with short term masking. But it needs a limit. I believe the value decreases over time and at some point other means like inoculations, vaccines or natural immunity have to be enough. Long term masking is more damaging than not masking at all, we are seeing that now especially with kids development. Just my view

Careful, RMF. That's leftist authoritarian talk!
As long as it is done at the State level, not the Federal, it is Constitutional talk.

whiterock
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RMF5630 said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:



No one who's paying attention thinks a masked person is fully protected. You all are waging war against a whole army of straw men.
So if you believe you are NOT fully protected when wearing a mask, then masks don't work and how can making me wear a mask benefit you?

If the mask works, it works. You can wear one and be protected. Wouldn't matter what others do.

It is amazing that you refuse to admit the internal contradiction of your argument - a unique twist on the bandwagon fallacy: if enough people wear masks, then everyone is protected (even though cloth masks cannot and do not stop the virus.)






I am not sure I agree with the marks work or ot doesn't logic for something as "gray" as medical. It may cut down risk, it may reduce the area of impact, or it may create a more uniform condition that is easier to control. So, there may be value to masking beyond either it works or doesn't, this isn't engineering or math.

That said, I have no problem with short term masking. But it needs a limit. I believe the value decreases over time and at some point other means like inoculations, vaccines or natural immunity have to be enough. Long term masking is more damaging than not masking at all, we are seeing that now especially with kids development. Just my view

I was good with masking at the outset. We didn't know what we didn't know, particularly how the virus was spread. 90 days in, it was pretty clear that spread was via aerosolized virus not droplets. That's pretty important. Masks DO protect against droplets. Masks are useless against aerosolized virus. Brooke Army Hospital did a study on that. Showed that cloth masks caused a 5% reduction in inhaled virus.....and that it had no effect on community spread.

Medical (N95) masks are more effective in that they have a static charge that attracts particles. So IF you are putting one on, entering a hospital room to view a patient for 5-10 minutes, and then toss the mask when you leave and put a new one on each time you enter another room.....yeah, you have some protection. But if you wear the same mask all day long.....not so much. How many people change masks several times each day?

Cloth masks don't work, never worked, can't work. The apertures between the fibers of the material the mask is made of are ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE greater than the size the virus. If you are inhaling thru the cloth and virus is in the air, you are inhaling virus.

Just nuts that we have nuts still making the case otherwise. If they work for you, then I don't need to wear one. You are protected. But they don't work. Because they can't work. So we've got to quit pretending they do just to make the fearful feel better. Ok, for a week? Sure. For three months? This is pretty tedious. For a year? Foxtrot Uniform, buddy. For two years? LOL. I went insurgent a long time ago. I bought a big mask, stretched out the elastic, removed the sizer bands, and just let it hang from my nose. there's an inch of space between my cheeks and chin. I can breathe easily, as I sit here in LAX. They said I had to wear one. they didn't say it had to fit. Eff 'em. Done with the nonsense.

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Judge Declares Federal Public Transportation Mask Mandate Unlawful


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Forbes: A federal judge threw out the federal government's mask mandate for airports, airplanes and other public transportation Monday, ruling the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention exceeded its authority by imposing the mask requirement days after the agency extended it another two weeks.




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Fre3dombear
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Finally. The science wins!!! Biden and the communists capitulate
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Cobretti said:




I'm a Bearbacker
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FLBear5630
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whiterock said:

RMF5630 said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:



No one who's paying attention thinks a masked person is fully protected. You all are waging war against a whole army of straw men.
So if you believe you are NOT fully protected when wearing a mask, then masks don't work and how can making me wear a mask benefit you?

If the mask works, it works. You can wear one and be protected. Wouldn't matter what others do.

It is amazing that you refuse to admit the internal contradiction of your argument - a unique twist on the bandwagon fallacy: if enough people wear masks, then everyone is protected (even though cloth masks cannot and do not stop the virus.)






I am not sure I agree with the marks work or ot doesn't logic for something as "gray" as medical. It may cut down risk, it may reduce the area of impact, or it may create a more uniform condition that is easier to control. So, there may be value to masking beyond either it works or doesn't, this isn't engineering or math.

That said, I have no problem with short term masking. But it needs a limit. I believe the value decreases over time and at some point other means like inoculations, vaccines or natural immunity have to be enough. Long term masking is more damaging than not masking at all, we are seeing that now especially with kids development. Just my view

I was good with masking at the outset. We didn't know what we didn't know, particularly how the virus was spread. 90 days in, it was pretty clear that spread was via aerosolized virus not droplets. That's pretty important. Masks DO protect against droplets. Masks are useless against aerosolized virus. Brooke Army Hospital did a study on that. Showed that cloth masks caused a 5% reduction in inhaled virus.....and that it had no effect on community spread.

Medical (N95) masks are more effective in that they have a static charge that attracts particles. So IF you are putting one on, entering a hospital room to view a patient for 5-10 minutes, and then toss the mask when you leave and put a new one on each time you enter another room.....yeah, you have some protection. But if you wear the same mask all day long.....not so much. How many people change masks several times each day?

Cloth masks don't work, never worked, can't work. The apertures between the fibers of the material the mask is made of are ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE greater than the size the virus. If you are inhaling thru the cloth and virus is in the air, you are inhaling virus.

Just nuts that we have nuts still making the case otherwise. If they work for you, then I don't need to wear one. You are protected. But they don't work. Because they can't work. So we've got to quit pretending they do just to make the fearful feel better. Ok, for a week? Sure. For three months? This is pretty tedious. For a year? Foxtrot Uniform, buddy. For two years? LOL. I went insurgent a long time ago. I bought a big mask, stretched out the elastic, removed the sizer bands, and just let it hang from my nose. there's an inch of space between my cheeks and chin. I can breathe easily, as I sit here in LAX. They said I had to wear one. they didn't say it had to fit. Eff 'em. Done with the nonsense.




Agree with you. Until we knew what we were dealing with medically, masks made sense. Not 2 years later.

Ding dong the mask is dead!
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The Rosa Parks of our generation...not sure that a judge FORBIDED people from wearing a mask but ok.

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Jack Bauer said:

The Rosa Parks of our generation...




Funny
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ShooterTX
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Cobretti said:




This is PERFECT!
He is going to cement his legacy as the worst and most unpopular president in history!

Mid terms are going to be a blood bath

ShooterTX
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I don't understand Biden
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Osodecentx said:

I don't understand Biden


That's OK... he doesn't understand himself.

The puppet masters are pulling his strings, to make him unelectable, so the dems will be "forced" to install Kamala as the new puppet, uh.. I mean president.
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ShooterTX said:

Cobretti said:




This is PERFECT!
He is going to cement his legacy as the worst and most unpopular president in history!

Mid terms are going to be a blood bath




Entire flights of free people rejoicing onboard in the wake of no evidence that masks are useful in any way against a non deadly virus. And he thinks it's a good idea to "put y'all back in chains", to borrow a line from Biden.
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JoeNo reminds me of a guy who plans to work on cleaning his lawn mower blades while it's running.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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Osodecentx said:

I don't understand Biden
Hang out with limousine liberals and you'll start understanding a lot about this country.
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Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

I don't understand Biden
Hang out with limousine liberals and you'll start understanding a lot about this country.
You hang out with a lot of liberals?
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Cobretti said:


These people just cannot be helped
Canon
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Cobretti said:




White House internal polling shows overwhelming support for a mask mandateโ€ฆ.and by White House internal polling, they mean, a poll of democrat staffers and politicians in the White House.
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Jack Bauer
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Cobretti said:


Doc Holliday
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Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

I don't understand Biden
Hang out with limousine liberals and you'll start understanding a lot about this country.
You hang out with a lot of liberals?
Yeah, part of my wife's family are wealthy libs.
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Cobretti said:


Remind me again how the DOJ has authority over health (isn't that HHS) or airline travel (should be FAA)??

Why is the DOJ involved? Is it because they have the proper assets necessary to intimidate & blackmail people?
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Coming from the guy that was charging his unvaxed employees $200 more per month for health insurance, not sure I hold a lot of respect for this guy. Where were his balls last year. A bunch of hypocrites.
Bear living in the woods of Bend Oregon
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ShooterTX said:

Cobretti said:


Remind me again how the DOJ has authority over health (isn't that HHS) or airline travel (should be FAA)??

Why is the DOJ involved? Is it because they have the proper assets necessary to intimidate & blackmail people?
DOJ are the lawyers for CDC
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Jacques Strap said:


In my experience, people (especially liberals) that continiously try to show others what a compassionate and good and nice person they are, very rarely happen to be.
 
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