ShooterTX said:

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ATL Bear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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tommie said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Will masks become the 'new normal' even after the pandemic has passed? Some Americans say so

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"I think we do need a new culture of masks, at least any time not feeling well, and I think masks are in and handshakes out for the indefinite future," said Dr. Tom Frieden, the former director of the C.D.C. during the Obama Administration and the president of global health initiative Resolve to Save Lives.

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Who cares? Is it that much of an inconvenience?

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Are you serious Clark? %A0You don't think the way we have been doing school, business and restaurants the last year has been an inconvenience?

Wow.

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The issue of convenience does not matter. No one who is well should have any government functionary tell them what to wear or be subject to house arrest or have their private property rights infringed on. The abuse of power by the government has been sickening. The only thing more sickening is how we tolerated it.

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About 500,000 of us didn't.

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Don't forget the bright side. %A0Covid has greatly reduced deaths attributed to Heart Disease, Diabetes, and the Flu.

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total excess deaths = 85K. %A0 %A0a 14% increase over the 2015-1029 average. %A0 %A015% of 85k is 11,900. %A0

So the net effect of CV pandemic and our mitigation efforts......about 12k extra deaths.

Whether that is a win or a loss is something that can be formed that round or pounded flat.

Have fun.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55631693

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Those are UK stats.

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Ok. %A0 multiply it times five. %A0 %A0Doesn't the same question apply?

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You wouldn't take 14% of 85K. 85K represents the actual 14% increase above the five-year average, so that would be the basis of your cost-benefit analysis. The equivalent number in the US is about 360K.

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so about twice the number of a bad flu year. %A0

is that worth what we've been thru in terms of economic and human costs in other areas?

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40K is usually considered a bad flu year, so about nine times that number in excess deaths over and above the average (or almost 14 times in terms of total deaths, which is a more apples-to-apples comparison).

---

Counts are increasing again in Northern Colorado.

Very concerning . %A0

With all the vaccinations underway thought %A0we would have seen a dramatic drop .

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Deaths or infections?

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Infections

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Vaccine was not developed to stop infection, only to stop severe outcomes of infections. It does the latter very well thus far. %A0That's the oddity of calling this a vaccine. %A0

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"Under real-world conditions, mRNA vaccine effectiveness of full immunization (≥14 days after second dose) was 90% against SARS-CoV-2 infections regardless of symptom status."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine

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Take the time to watch and listen.
https://www.*****ute.com/video/hfzL5gUeQvxr/
EDIT: b i t c h u t e is the starred part.

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FYI, i also found it on YouTube:

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Money465 said:

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Thanks for sharing this very informative video. I have long believed that we were missing something in regards to this virus because I have known far too many who were diagnosed with Covid and then simply told to go home and begin taking vitamins. A couple of them actually ended up in the hospital after early therapeutic intervention had been denied. I have been using Vitamin D3 for several months, and I am also aware that Ivermectin could be an effective treatment. However, masks have never made much sense to me because they greatly decrease our air intake, which is particularly essential to senior citizens and also to children.

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Sam Lowry said:

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ShooterTX said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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tommie said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Will masks become the 'new normal' even after the pandemic has passed? Some Americans say so

Quote:

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"I think we do need a new culture of masks, at least any time not feeling well, and I think masks are in and handshakes out for the indefinite future," said Dr. Tom Frieden, the former director of the C.D.C. during the Obama Administration and the president of global health initiative Resolve to Save Lives.

---

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Who cares? Is it that much of an inconvenience?

---

Are you serious Clark? %A0You don't think the way we have been doing school, business and restaurants the last year has been an inconvenience?

Wow.

---

The issue of convenience does not matter. No one who is well should have any government functionary tell them what to wear or be subject to house arrest or have their private property rights infringed on. The abuse of power by the government has been sickening. The only thing more sickening is how we tolerated it.

---

About 500,000 of us didn't.

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Don't forget the bright side. %A0Covid has greatly reduced deaths attributed to Heart Disease, Diabetes, and the Flu.

---

total excess deaths = 85K. %A0 %A0a 14% increase over the 2015-1029 average. %A0 %A015% of 85k is 11,900. %A0

So the net effect of CV pandemic and our mitigation efforts......about 12k extra deaths.

Whether that is a win or a loss is something that can be formed that round or pounded flat.

Have fun.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55631693

---

Those are UK stats.

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Ok. %A0 multiply it times five. %A0 %A0Doesn't the same question apply?

---

You wouldn't take 14% of 85K. 85K represents the actual 14% increase above the five-year average, so that would be the basis of your cost-benefit analysis. The equivalent number in the US is about 360K.

---

so about twice the number of a bad flu year. %A0

is that worth what we've been thru in terms of economic and human costs in other areas?

---

40K is usually considered a bad flu year, so about nine times that number in excess deaths over and above the average (or almost 14 times in terms of total deaths, which is a more apples-to-apples comparison).

---

Counts are increasing again in Northern Colorado.

Very concerning . %A0

With all the vaccinations underway thought %A0we would have seen a dramatic drop .

---

Deaths or infections?

---

Infections

---

Vaccine was not developed to stop infection, only to stop severe outcomes of infections. It does the latter very well thus far. %A0That's the oddity of calling this a vaccine. %A0

---

"Under real-world conditions, mRNA vaccine effectiveness of full immunization (≥14 days after second dose) was 90% against SARS-CoV-2 infections regardless of symptom status."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine

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Take the time to watch and listen.
https://www.*****ute.com/video/hfzL5gUeQvxr/
EDIT: b i t c h u t e is the starred part.

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FYI, i also found it on YouTube:

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This guy is like the Sidney Powell of the medical community.

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Canada2017 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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tommie said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Will masks become the 'new normal' even after the pandemic has passed? Some Americans say so

Quote:

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"I think we do need a new culture of masks, at least any time not feeling well, and I think masks are in and handshakes out for the indefinite future," said Dr. Tom Frieden, the former director of the C.D.C. during the Obama Administration and the president of global health initiative Resolve to Save Lives.

---

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Who cares? Is it that much of an inconvenience?

---

Are you serious Clark? You don't think the way we have been doing school, business and restaurants the last year has been an inconvenience?

Wow.

---

The issue of convenience does not matter. No one who is well should have any government functionary tell them what to wear or be subject to house arrest or have their private property rights infringed on. The abuse of power by the government has been sickening. The only thing more sickening is how we tolerated it.

---

About 500,000 of us didn't.

---

Don't forget the bright side. Covid has greatly reduced deaths attributed to Heart Disease, Diabetes, and the Flu.

---

total excess deaths = 85K. a 14% increase over the 2015-1029 average. 15% of 85k is 11,900.

So the net effect of CV pandemic and our mitigation efforts......about 12k extra deaths.

Whether that is a win or a loss is something that can be formed that round or pounded flat.

Have fun.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55631693

---

Those are UK stats.

---

Ok. multiply it times five. Doesn't the same question apply?

---

You wouldn't take 14% of 85K. 85K represents the actual 14% increase above the five-year average, so that would be the basis of your cost-benefit analysis. The equivalent number in the US is about 360K.

---

so about twice the number of a bad flu year.

is that worth what we've been thru in terms of economic and human costs in other areas?

---

40K is usually considered a bad flu year, so about nine times that number in excess deaths over and above the average (or almost 14 times in terms of total deaths, which is a more apples-to-apples comparison).

---

Counts are increasing again in Northern Colorado.

Very concerning .

With all the vaccinations underway thought we would have seen a dramatic drop .

---

Deaths or infections?

---

Infections

---

Vaccine was not developed to stop infection, only to stop severe outcomes of infections. It does the latter very well thus far. That's the oddity of calling this a vaccine.

---

With these vaccines ......supposedly the ability to transmit the illness to others is reduced .

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Money465 said:

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Thanks for sharing this very informative video. I have long believed that we were missing something in regards to this virus because I have known far too many who were diagnosed with Covid and then simply told to go home and begin taking vitamins. A couple of them actually ended up in the hospital after early therapeutic intervention had been denied. I have been using Vitamin D3 for several months, and I am also aware that Ivermectin could be an effective treatment. However, masks have never made much sense to me because they greatly decrease our air intake, which is particularly essential to senior citizens and also to children.

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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tommie said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Will masks become the 'new normal' even after the pandemic has passed? Some Americans say so

Quote:

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"I think we do need a new culture of masks, at least any time not feeling well, and I think masks are in and handshakes out for the indefinite future," said Dr. Tom Frieden, the former director of the C.D.C. during the Obama Administration and the president of global health initiative Resolve to Save Lives.

---

---

Who cares? Is it that much of an inconvenience?

---

Are you serious Clark? %A0You don't think the way we have been doing school, business and restaurants the last year has been an inconvenience?

Wow.

---

The issue of convenience does not matter. No one who is well should have any government functionary tell them what to wear or be subject to house arrest or have their private property rights infringed on. The abuse of power by the government has been sickening. The only thing more sickening is how we tolerated it.

---

About 500,000 of us didn't.

---

Don't forget the bright side. %A0Covid has greatly reduced deaths attributed to Heart Disease, Diabetes, and the Flu.

---

total excess deaths = 85K. %A0 %A0a 14% increase over the 2015-1029 average. %A0 %A015% of 85k is 11,900. %A0

So the net effect of CV pandemic and our mitigation efforts......about 12k extra deaths.

Whether that is a win or a loss is something that can be formed that round or pounded flat.

Have fun.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55631693

---

Those are UK stats.

---

Ok. %A0 multiply it times five. %A0 %A0Doesn't the same question apply?

---

You wouldn't take 14% of 85K. 85K represents the actual 14% increase above the five-year average, so that would be the basis of your cost-benefit analysis. The equivalent number in the US is about 360K.

---

so about twice the number of a bad flu year. %A0

is that worth what we've been thru in terms of economic and human costs in other areas?

---

40K is usually considered a bad flu year, so about nine times that number in excess deaths over and above the average (or almost 14 times in terms of total deaths, which is a more apples-to-apples comparison).

---

Counts are increasing again in Northern Colorado.

Very concerning . %A0

With all the vaccinations underway thought %A0we would have seen a dramatic drop .

---

Deaths or infections?

---

Infections

---

Vaccine was not developed to stop infection, only to stop severe outcomes of infections. It does the latter very well thus far. %A0That's the oddity of calling this a vaccine. %A0

---

"Under real-world conditions, mRNA vaccine effectiveness of full immunization (≥14 days after second dose) was 90% against SARS-CoV-2 infections regardless of symptom status."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine

---

Take the time to watch and listen.
https://www.*****ute.com/video/hfzL5gUeQvxr/
EDIT: b i t c h u t e is the starred part.

---

Thanks for the link. He is wrong about vaccines always containing organisms. Genetically engineered antigens have been developed since the 1990s.

As noted by the CDC, vaccines have been shown to work against symptomatic and asymptomatic covid infection. If there's evidence to the contrary, the video provides none.

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Will masks become the 'new normal' even after the pandemic has passed? Some Americans say so

Quote:

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"I think we do need a new culture of masks, at least any time not feeling well, and I think masks are in and handshakes out for the indefinite future," said Dr. Tom Frieden, the former director of the C.D.C. during the Obama Administration and the president of global health initiative Resolve to Save Lives.

---

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Who cares? Is it that much of an inconvenience?

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It's been pretty hellish on people born with hearing losses. Reached an age where I could navigate this socially with few problems, but this has been a big setback that affects every social interaction. Many have been understanding and pull off their mask when I tell them what is going on, but started seeing again some who are exasperated or upset about something people have no control over.

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Baylor3216 said:

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Money465 said:

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Thanks for sharing this very informative video. I have long believed that we were missing something in regards to this virus because I have known far too many who were diagnosed with Covid and then simply told to go home and begin taking vitamins. A couple of them actually ended up in the hospital after early therapeutic intervention had been denied. I have been using Vitamin D3 for several months, and I am also aware that Ivermectin could be an effective treatment. However, masks have never made much sense to me because they greatly decrease our air intake, which is particularly essential to senior citizens and also to children.

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Dude. You know you can't say this right?

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Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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tommie said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Will masks become the 'new normal' even after the pandemic has passed? Some Americans say so

Quote:

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"I think we do need a new culture of masks, at least any time not feeling well, and I think masks are in and handshakes out for the indefinite future," said Dr. Tom Frieden, the former director of the C.D.C. during the Obama Administration and the president of global health initiative Resolve to Save Lives.

---

---

Who cares? Is it that much of an inconvenience?

---

Are you serious Clark? You don't think the way we have been doing school, business and restaurants the last year has been an inconvenience?

Wow.

---

The issue of convenience does not matter. No one who is well should have any government functionary tell them what to wear or be subject to house arrest or have their private property rights infringed on. The abuse of power by the government has been sickening. The only thing more sickening is how we tolerated it.

---

About 500,000 of us didn't.

---

Don't forget the bright side. Covid has greatly reduced deaths attributed to Heart Disease, Diabetes, and the Flu.

---

total excess deaths = 85K. a 14% increase over the 2015-1029 average. 15% of 85k is 11,900.

So the net effect of CV pandemic and our mitigation efforts......about 12k extra deaths.

Whether that is a win or a loss is something that can be formed that round or pounded flat.

Have fun.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55631693

---

Those are UK stats.

---

Ok. multiply it times five. Doesn't the same question apply?

---

You wouldn't take 14% of 85K. 85K represents the actual 14% increase above the five-year average, so that would be the basis of your cost-benefit analysis. The equivalent number in the US is about 360K.

---

so about twice the number of a bad flu year.

is that worth what we've been thru in terms of economic and human costs in other areas?

---

40K is usually considered a bad flu year, so about nine times that number in excess deaths over and above the average (or almost 14 times in terms of total deaths, which is a more apples-to-apples comparison).

---

Counts are increasing again in Northern Colorado.

Very concerning .

With all the vaccinations underway thought we would have seen a dramatic drop .

---

Deaths or infections?

---

Infections

---

Vaccine was not developed to stop infection, only to stop severe outcomes of infections. It does the latter very well thus far. That's the oddity of calling this a vaccine.

---

With these vaccines ......supposedly the ability to transmit the illness to others is reduced .

---

^^^ Key word above is "supposedly"

You guys are hilarious

Take the vax and wear your masks and social distance and don't take HCQ, D3, Magnesium and zinc. Leave all that for me and the good doctors as we develop natural immunities like these and being outdoors in sunlight breathing fresh air. Hole up in your home's breathing recycled air and in darkness away from sun isolating socially

Geez, think just a little and expose yourself to different opinions other than your own and be open to them being correct. Be honest with yourself any willing to learn new things

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Money465 said:

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Thanks for sharing this very informative video. I have long believed that we were missing something in regards to this virus because I have known far too many who were diagnosed with Covid and then simply told to go home and begin taking vitamins. A couple of them actually ended up in the hospital after early therapeutic intervention had been denied. I have been using Vitamin D3 for several months, and I am also aware that Ivermectin could be an effective treatment. However, masks have never made much sense to me because they greatly decrease our air intake, which is particularly essential to senior citizens and also to children.

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Florda_mike said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ShooterTX said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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tommie said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Will masks become the 'new normal' even after the pandemic has passed? Some Americans say so

Quote:

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"I think we do need a new culture of masks, at least any time not feeling well, and I think masks are in and handshakes out for the indefinite future," said Dr. Tom Frieden, the former director of the C.D.C. during the Obama Administration and the president of global health initiative Resolve to Save Lives.

---

---

Who cares? Is it that much of an inconvenience?

---

Are you serious Clark? %A0You don't think the way we have been doing school, business and restaurants the last year has been an inconvenience?

Wow.

---

The issue of convenience does not matter. No one who is well should have any government functionary tell them what to wear or be subject to house arrest or have their private property rights infringed on. The abuse of power by the government has been sickening. The only thing more sickening is how we tolerated it.

---

About 500,000 of us didn't.

---

Don't forget the bright side. %A0Covid has greatly reduced deaths attributed to Heart Disease, Diabetes, and the Flu.

---

total excess deaths = 85K. %A0 %A0a 14% increase over the 2015-1029 average. %A0 %A015% of 85k is 11,900. %A0

So the net effect of CV pandemic and our mitigation efforts......about 12k extra deaths.

Whether that is a win or a loss is something that can be formed that round or pounded flat.

Have fun.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55631693

---

Those are UK stats.

---

Ok. %A0 multiply it times five. %A0 %A0Doesn't the same question apply?

---

You wouldn't take 14% of 85K. 85K represents the actual 14% increase above the five-year average, so that would be the basis of your cost-benefit analysis. The equivalent number in the US is about 360K.

---

so about twice the number of a bad flu year. %A0

is that worth what we've been thru in terms of economic and human costs in other areas?

---

40K is usually considered a bad flu year, so about nine times that number in excess deaths over and above the average (or almost 14 times in terms of total deaths, which is a more apples-to-apples comparison).

---

Counts are increasing again in Northern Colorado.

Very concerning . %A0

With all the vaccinations underway thought %A0we would have seen a dramatic drop .

---

Deaths or infections?

---

Infections

---

Vaccine was not developed to stop infection, only to stop severe outcomes of infections. It does the latter very well thus far. %A0That's the oddity of calling this a vaccine. %A0

---

"Under real-world conditions, mRNA vaccine effectiveness of full immunization (≥14 days after second dose) was 90% against SARS-CoV-2 infections regardless of symptom status."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine

---

Take the time to watch and listen.
https://www.*****ute.com/video/hfzL5gUeQvxr/
EDIT: b i t c h u t e is the starred part.

---

FYI, i also found it on YouTube:

---

This guy is like the Sidney Powell of the medical community.

---

There are different opinions of Sidney Powell

Do you believe this man or not?

Remember, doctors speaking as this doctor speaks are risking their licenses and therefore careers and incomes. Who would do that other than well meaning people trying to save lives?

Shooter, thanks for this! You're a brave man to post this on this site

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ShooterTX said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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tommie said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Will masks become the 'new normal' even after the pandemic has passed? Some Americans say so

Quote:

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"I think we do need a new culture of masks, at least any time not feeling well, and I think masks are in and handshakes out for the indefinite future," said Dr. Tom Frieden, the former director of the C.D.C. during the Obama Administration and the president of global health initiative Resolve to Save Lives.

---

---

Who cares? Is it that much of an inconvenience?

---

Are you serious Clark? %A0You don't think the way we have been doing school, business and restaurants the last year has been an inconvenience?

Wow.

---

The issue of convenience does not matter. No one who is well should have any government functionary tell them what to wear or be subject to house arrest or have their private property rights infringed on. The abuse of power by the government has been sickening. The only thing more sickening is how we tolerated it.

---

About 500,000 of us didn't.

---

Don't forget the bright side. %A0Covid has greatly reduced deaths attributed to Heart Disease, Diabetes, and the Flu.

---

total excess deaths = 85K. %A0 %A0a 14% increase over the 2015-1029 average. %A0 %A015% of 85k is 11,900. %A0

So the net effect of CV pandemic and our mitigation efforts......about 12k extra deaths.

Whether that is a win or a loss is something that can be formed that round or pounded flat.

Have fun.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55631693

---

Those are UK stats.

---

Ok. %A0 multiply it times five. %A0 %A0Doesn't the same question apply?

---

You wouldn't take 14% of 85K. 85K represents the actual 14% increase above the five-year average, so that would be the basis of your cost-benefit analysis. The equivalent number in the US is about 360K.

---

so about twice the number of a bad flu year. %A0

is that worth what we've been thru in terms of economic and human costs in other areas?

---

40K is usually considered a bad flu year, so about nine times that number in excess deaths over and above the average (or almost 14 times in terms of total deaths, which is a more apples-to-apples comparison).

---

Counts are increasing again in Northern Colorado.

Very concerning . %A0

With all the vaccinations underway thought %A0we would have seen a dramatic drop .

---

Deaths or infections?

---

Infections

---

Vaccine was not developed to stop infection, only to stop severe outcomes of infections. It does the latter very well thus far. %A0That's the oddity of calling this a vaccine. %A0

---

"Under real-world conditions, mRNA vaccine effectiveness of full immunization (≥14 days after second dose) was 90% against SARS-CoV-2 infections regardless of symptom status."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine

---

Take the time to watch and listen.
https://www.*****ute.com/video/hfzL5gUeQvxr/
EDIT: b i t c h u t e is the starred part.

---

FYI, i also found it on YouTube:

---

This guy is like the Sidney Powell of the medical community.

---

There are different opinions of Sidney Powell

Do you believe this man or not?

Remember, doctors speaking as this doctor speaks are risking their licenses and therefore careers and incomes. Who would do that other than well meaning people trying to save lives?

Shooter, thanks for this! You're a brave man to post this on this site

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I'm not saying he doesn't mean well. But the potential benefit of Ivermectin is pretty much the only thing he gets right in the whole presentation (and even that he oversells).

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Oldbear83 said:

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Fake-doctor Sam makes his appearance, I see ...

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Florda_mike said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ShooterTX said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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tommie said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Will masks become the 'new normal' even after the pandemic has passed? Some Americans say so

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"I think we do need a new culture of masks, at least any time not feeling well, and I think masks are in and handshakes out for the indefinite future," said Dr. Tom Frieden, the former director of the C.D.C. during the Obama Administration and the president of global health initiative Resolve to Save Lives.

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Who cares? Is it that much of an inconvenience?

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Are you serious Clark? %A0You don't think the way we have been doing school, business and restaurants the last year has been an inconvenience?

Wow.

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The issue of convenience does not matter. No one who is well should have any government functionary tell them what to wear or be subject to house arrest or have their private property rights infringed on. The abuse of power by the government has been sickening. The only thing more sickening is how we tolerated it.

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About 500,000 of us didn't.

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Don't forget the bright side. %A0Covid has greatly reduced deaths attributed to Heart Disease, Diabetes, and the Flu.

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total excess deaths = 85K. %A0 %A0a 14% increase over the 2015-1029 average. %A0 %A015% of 85k is 11,900. %A0

So the net effect of CV pandemic and our mitigation efforts......about 12k extra deaths.

Whether that is a win or a loss is something that can be formed that round or pounded flat.

Have fun.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55631693

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Those are UK stats.

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Ok. %A0 multiply it times five. %A0 %A0Doesn't the same question apply?

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You wouldn't take 14% of 85K. 85K represents the actual 14% increase above the five-year average, so that would be the basis of your cost-benefit analysis. The equivalent number in the US is about 360K.

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so about twice the number of a bad flu year. %A0

is that worth what we've been thru in terms of economic and human costs in other areas?

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40K is usually considered a bad flu year, so about nine times that number in excess deaths over and above the average (or almost 14 times in terms of total deaths, which is a more apples-to-apples comparison).

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Counts are increasing again in Northern Colorado.

Very concerning . %A0

With all the vaccinations underway thought %A0we would have seen a dramatic drop .

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Deaths or infections?

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Infections

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Vaccine was not developed to stop infection, only to stop severe outcomes of infections. It does the latter very well thus far. %A0That's the oddity of calling this a vaccine. %A0

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"Under real-world conditions, mRNA vaccine effectiveness of full immunization (≥14 days after second dose) was 90% against SARS-CoV-2 infections regardless of symptom status."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine

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Take the time to watch and listen.
https://www.*****ute.com/video/hfzL5gUeQvxr/
EDIT: b i t c h u t e is the starred part.

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FYI, i also found it on YouTube:

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This guy is like the Sidney Powell of the medical community.

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There are different opinions of Sidney Powell

Do you believe this man or not?

Remember, doctors speaking as this doctor speaks are risking their licenses and therefore careers and incomes. Who would do that other than well meaning people trying to save lives?

Shooter, thanks for this! You're a brave man to post this on this site

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I'm not saying he doesn't mean well. But the potential benefit of Ivermectin is pretty much the only thing he gets right in the whole presentation (and even that he oversells).

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How do you know that's all he gets right?

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Oldbear83 said:

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Fake-doctor Sam makes his appearance, I see ...

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Tell me exactly what it is you do for a living. That way I'll know that your opinions on anything else, no matter how well supported or analyzed, are that of a fake-not-my-profession.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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tommie said:

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Mothra said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Will masks become the 'new normal' even after the pandemic has passed? Some Americans say so

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"I think we do need a new culture of masks, at least any time not feeling well, and I think masks are in and handshakes out for the indefinite future," said Dr. Tom Frieden, the former director of the C.D.C. during the Obama Administration and the president of global health initiative Resolve to Save Lives.

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Who cares? Is it that much of an inconvenience?

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Are you serious Clark? %A0You don't think the way we have been doing school, business and restaurants the last year has been an inconvenience?

Wow.

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The issue of convenience does not matter. No one who is well should have any government functionary tell them what to wear or be subject to house arrest or have their private property rights infringed on. The abuse of power by the government has been sickening. The only thing more sickening is how we tolerated it.

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About 500,000 of us didn't.

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Don't forget the bright side. %A0Covid has greatly reduced deaths attributed to Heart Disease, Diabetes, and the Flu.

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total excess deaths = 85K. %A0 %A0a 14% increase over the 2015-1029 average. %A0 %A015% of 85k is 11,900. %A0

So the net effect of CV pandemic and our mitigation efforts......about 12k extra deaths.

Whether that is a win or a loss is something that can be formed that round or pounded flat.

Have fun.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55631693

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Those are UK stats.

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Ok. %A0 multiply it times five. %A0 %A0Doesn't the same question apply?

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You wouldn't take 14% of 85K. 85K represents the actual 14% increase above the five-year average, so that would be the basis of your cost-benefit analysis. The equivalent number in the US is about 360K.

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so about twice the number of a bad flu year. %A0

is that worth what we've been thru in terms of economic and human costs in other areas?

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40K is usually considered a bad flu year, so about nine times that number in excess deaths over and above the average (or almost 14 times in terms of total deaths, which is a more apples-to-apples comparison).

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Counts are increasing again in Northern Colorado.

Very concerning . %A0

With all the vaccinations underway thought %A0we would have seen a dramatic drop .

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Deaths or infections?

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Infections

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Vaccine was not developed to stop infection, only to stop severe outcomes of infections. It does the latter very well thus far. %A0That's the oddity of calling this a vaccine. %A0

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"Under real-world conditions, mRNA vaccine effectiveness of full immunization (≥14 days after second dose) was 90% against SARS-CoV-2 infections regardless of symptom status."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine

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Take the time to watch and listen.
https://www.*****ute.com/video/hfzL5gUeQvxr/
EDIT: b i t c h u t e is the starred part.

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FYI, i also found it on YouTube:

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This guy is like the Sidney Powell of the medical community.

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There are different opinions of Sidney Powell

Do you believe this man or not?

Remember, doctors speaking as this doctor speaks are risking their licenses and therefore careers and incomes. Who would do that other than well meaning people trying to save lives?

Shooter, thanks for this! You're a brave man to post this on this site

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I'm not saying he doesn't mean well. But the potential benefit of Ivermectin is pretty much the only thing he gets right in the whole presentation (and even that he oversells).

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How do you know that's all he gets right?

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For the same reason you think he's risking his career. Almost everything he says goes against the scientific consensus.

He's not actually risking much, though. Doctors and researchers have different jobs. He's free to hold any wacky opinion he wants about virology, epidemiology, or anything else as long as it doesn't interfere with treating his patients.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Fake-doctor Sam makes his appearance, I see ...

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Tell me exactly what it is you do for a living. That way I'll know that your opinions on anything else, no matter how well supported or analyzed, are that of a fake-not-my-profession.

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I don't bother arguing with Old any more. Good point, though.

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Counts are increasing again in Northern Colorado.

Very concerning .

With all the vaccinations underway thought we would have seen a dramatic drop .

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Deaths or infections?

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Infections

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Vaccine was not developed to stop infection, only to stop severe outcomes of infections. It does the latter very well thus far. That's the oddity of calling this a vaccine.

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With these vaccines ......supposedly the ability to transmit the illness to others is reduced .

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^^^ Key word above is "supposedly"

You guys are hilarious

Take the vax and wear your masks and social distance and don't take HCQ, D3, Magnesium and zinc. Leave all that for me and the good doctors as we develop natural immunities like these and being outdoors in sunlight breathing fresh air. Hole up in your home's breathing recycled air and in darkness away from sun isolating socially

Geez, think just a little and expose yourself to different opinions other than your own and be open to them being correct. Be honest with yourself any willing to learn new things

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I'm glad to be vaccinated ....you prefer not to.

To each his own.

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I get my 2nd tomorrow. Was going to wait. Women & children first kind of thing. I'm 60, healthy other than asthma, which is well controlled and not a terrible serious co-morbid, have Type O blood which is very protective for both catching and dealing with CV, and my physician will prescribe CHQ, Ivermectin, etc....(actually have a bottle of Ivermectin in stock at the farm) so I'm way more likely to die from one of my hobbies than CV. But my wife signed me up and since she not only cohabits with me but gets friendly from time to time, I figured she gets a vote and didn't cancel.

I'm already refusing to wear mask unless asked. 14 days from tomorrow, I'm burning the mask. I played team ball, reluctantly, until the agreed upon finish line - vaccine availability. We've got to stop the gaslighting about incredibly bad policy, under both administrations, on dealing with this pandemic. Just the most anti-science nonsense imaginable.

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Speaking of Hypocrisy, I notice neither quash nor Sam bother to note their own qualifications.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Speaking of Hypocrisy, I notice neither quash nor Sam bother to note their own qualifications.

Quick to judge, even quicker to hide.

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Florda_mike said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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tommie said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Mothra said:

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Shippou said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Will masks become the 'new normal' even after the pandemic has passed? Some Americans say so

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"I think we do need a new culture of masks, at least any time not feeling well, and I think masks are in and handshakes out for the indefinite future," said Dr. Tom Frieden, the former director of the C.D.C. during the Obama Administration and the president of global health initiative Resolve to Save Lives.

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Who cares? Is it that much of an inconvenience?

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Are you serious Clark? %A0You don't think the way we have been doing school, business and restaurants the last year has been an inconvenience?

Wow.

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The issue of convenience does not matter. No one who is well should have any government functionary tell them what to wear or be subject to house arrest or have their private property rights infringed on. The abuse of power by the government has been sickening. The only thing more sickening is how we tolerated it.

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About 500,000 of us didn't.

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Don't forget the bright side. %A0Covid has greatly reduced deaths attributed to Heart Disease, Diabetes, and the Flu.

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total excess deaths = 85K. %A0 %A0a 14% increase over the 2015-1029 average. %A0 %A015% of 85k is 11,900. %A0

So the net effect of CV pandemic and our mitigation efforts......about 12k extra deaths.

Whether that is a win or a loss is something that can be formed that round or pounded flat.

Have fun.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55631693

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Those are UK stats.

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Ok. %A0 multiply it times five. %A0 %A0Doesn't the same question apply?

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You wouldn't take 14% of 85K. 85K represents the actual 14% increase above the five-year average, so that would be the basis of your cost-benefit analysis. The equivalent number in the US is about 360K.

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so about twice the number of a bad flu year. %A0

is that worth what we've been thru in terms of economic and human costs in other areas?

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40K is usually considered a bad flu year, so about nine times that number in excess deaths over and above the average (or almost 14 times in terms of total deaths, which is a more apples-to-apples comparison).

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Counts are increasing again in Northern Colorado.

Very concerning . %A0

With all the vaccinations underway thought %A0we would have seen a dramatic drop .

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Deaths or infections?

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Infections

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Vaccine was not developed to stop infection, only to stop severe outcomes of infections. It does the latter very well thus far. %A0That's the oddity of calling this a vaccine. %A0

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"Under real-world conditions, mRNA vaccine effectiveness of full immunization (≥14 days after second dose) was 90% against SARS-CoV-2 infections regardless of symptom status."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine

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Take the time to watch and listen.
https://www.*****ute.com/video/hfzL5gUeQvxr/
EDIT: b i t c h u t e is the starred part.

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Thanks for the link. He is wrong about vaccines always containing organisms. Genetically engineered antigens have been developed since the 1990s.

As noted by the CDC, vaccines have been shown to work against symptomatic and asymptomatic covid infection. If there's evidence to the contrary, the video provides none.

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Sam, once again bringing it with the mental numbness

Reminds of Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb!"

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Oldbear83 said:

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Speaking of Hypocrisy, I notice neither quash nor Sam bother to note their own qualifications.

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They don't matter. That was the point.

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No, what matters is that quash demanded my 'credentials', you agreed with him, but neither of you are man enough to meet your own demands.

Hypocrites, both of you. Own it.

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Florda_mike said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Speaking of Hypocrisy, I notice neither quash nor Sam bother to note their own qualifications.

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They don't matter. That was the point.

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Actually Sam, when it comes to supposedly life threatening COVID your qualifications to legitimately critical and condemn the seminar of an actual front line doctor do matter

To say they don't, as you do above, is insanity

Your opinion is absolutely nothing compared to that doctor and yet you double then triple down on your stupidity

This doctor too is risking his license in most states too and you even deny that

You're clueless

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