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Now approaching half a million deaths and still....the same guys making the same ridiculous arguments .

In all of US history only two events have cost more American lives than the Covid pandemic .

1918 Spanish Influenza
US Civil War

Yet some remain firm that C19 is ' just another virus' or merely a 'common cold '.

Or say just 'stay inside ' , knowing all along most people simply can't afford to do so . Even then outsiders bring the virus in to them .



We are a strange, eminently self destructive species .

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There are real quick solutions that require unconstitutional measures.

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Oh, come on, Sammy. You debated that case in law school. Think real hard about the Japanese and WWII.

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Were the Japanese isolated for health reasons or because of ethnicity? Are quarantines for reason of pandemic unconstitutional?

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When you mandate the healthy remain "sheltered in place" that is an unlawful order to put healthy people under house arrest.

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Cite?

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What concept are you having a problem with? Is it the confinement part? Or is it the part where those confined have not been even accused of a crime?

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The "unlawful" part.

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Then you are not as bright as I thought.

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Then help me out.

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Perhaps a citation to some case law or statute supporting your position that govt. can force shut downs of business for extended periods of time would be helpful. Have a case cite?

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I've cited the Texas statute before. Other states are similar.

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I recall. Do you have any case law interpreting that statute to suggest that it can be read as broadly as you read it to encompass months-long lockdowns of churches, schools and businesses?

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It has to be reauthorized every 30 days. I don't have any cases on it one way or another, but I'm assuming Carlos does.

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Now approaching half a million deaths and still....the same guys making the same ridiculous arguments .

In all of US history only two events have cost more American lives than the Covid pandemic .

1918 Spanish Influenza
US Civil War

Yet some remain firm that C19 is ' just another virus' or merely a 'common cold '.

Or say just 'stay inside ' , knowing all along most people simply can't afford to do so . Even then outsiders bring the virus in to them .



We are a strange, eminently self destructive species .

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There are real quick solutions that require unconstitutional measures.

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Such as?

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Oh, come on, Sammy. You debated that case in law school. Think real hard about the Japanese and WWII.

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Were the Japanese isolated for health reasons or because of ethnicity? Are quarantines for reason of pandemic unconstitutional?

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When you mandate the healthy remain "sheltered in place" that is an unlawful order to put healthy people under house arrest.

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Cite?

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What concept are you having a problem with? Is it the confinement part? Or is it the part where those confined have not been even accused of a crime?

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The "unlawful" part.

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Then you are not as bright as I thought.

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Then help me out.

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Perhaps a citation to some case law or statute supporting your position that govt. can force shut downs of business for extended periods of time would be helpful. Have a case cite?

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I've cited the Texas statute before. Other states are similar.

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I recall. Do you have any case law interpreting that statute to suggest that it can be read as broadly as you read it to encompass months-long lockdowns of churches, schools and businesses?

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It has to be reauthorized every 30 days. I don't have any cases on it one way or another, but I'm assuming Carlos does.

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In other words, what you propose is unprecedented. How do you know it's lawful?

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https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/life-expectancy#:~:text=United%20States%20-%20Historical%20Life%20Expectancy%20Data%20,%20%20-0.030%25%20%2068%20more%20rows%20

Life expectancy went up in the U.S. last year. The Covid is just decimating us.

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https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/life-expectancy#:~:text=United%20States%20-%20Historical%20Life%20Expectancy%20Data%20,%20%20-0.030%25%20%2068%20more%20rows%20

Life expectancy went up in the U.S. last year. The Covid is just decimating us.

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Tangent...
The etymology for the word decimate (v.) tells you why the Roman army was so good for so long. That is some brutal punishment for failure to perform.
Tangent/
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Sam Lowry said:

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Now approaching half a million deaths and still....the same guys making the same ridiculous arguments .

In all of US history only two events have cost more American lives than the Covid pandemic .

1918 Spanish Influenza
US Civil War

Yet some remain firm that C19 is ' just another virus' or merely a 'common cold '.

Or say just 'stay inside ' , knowing all along most people simply can't afford to do so . Even then outsiders bring the virus in to them .



We are a strange, eminently self destructive species .

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There are real quick solutions that require unconstitutional measures.

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Such as?

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Because it's the law? As a lawyer, you should know better.

There is no precedent for what you've suggested. You know that.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Because it's the law? As a lawyer, you should know better.

There is no precedent for what you've suggested. You know that.

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I know I can't presume a law is unconstitutional just because I don't like it.

I would say Jacobson v. Massachusetts is applicable here.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Now approaching half a million deaths and still....the same guys making the same ridiculous arguments .

In all of US history only two events have cost more American lives than the Covid pandemic .

1918 Spanish Influenza
US Civil War

Yet some remain firm that C19 is ' just another virus' or merely a 'common cold '.

Or say just 'stay inside ' , knowing all along most people simply can't afford to do so . Even then outsiders bring the virus in to them .



We are a strange, eminently self destructive species .

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There are real quick solutions that require unconstitutional measures.

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Such as?

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Make it illegal to leave your home for 2 months. Have the government purchase food/rations for everyone that elects to need it and reimburse losses. Those that refuse are sent to temporary prison where they're quarantined. Every phone device is tracked.

Of course there's infrastructure that has to be run, but rates would drop so low that it would be completely under control.

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fadskier said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Now approaching half a million deaths and still....the same guys making the same ridiculous arguments .

In all of US history only two events have cost more American lives than the Covid pandemic .

1918 Spanish Influenza
US Civil War

Yet some remain firm that C19 is ' just another virus' or merely a 'common cold '.

Or say just 'stay inside ' , knowing all along most people simply can't afford to do so . Even then outsiders bring the virus in to them .



We are a strange, eminently self destructive species .

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There are real quick solutions that require unconstitutional measures.

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Such as?

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Make it illegal to leave your home for 2 months. Have the government purchase food/rations for everyone that elects to need it and reimburse losses. Those that refuse are sent to temporary prison where they're quarantined. Every phone device is tracked.

Of course there's infrastructure that has to be run, but rates would drop so low that it would be completely under control.

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Uh, no on staying home for two months and no on the tracking. I don't care who's in office...I don't trust the government.

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Will masks become the 'new normal' even after the pandemic has passed? Some Americans say so

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"I think we do need a new culture of masks, at least any time not feeling well, and I think masks are in and handshakes out for the indefinite future," said Dr. Tom Frieden, the former director of the C.D.C. during the Obama Administration and the president of global health initiative Resolve to Save Lives.

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Sorry Doc,

But you seem a little out of bounds on this one .

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I am curious how long you think we should continue to wear them? Once enough people are vaccinated? Or until the virus completely goes away (if ever)?

One thing is certain: CA, NY and many of the countries in Europe have proven that the shut-downs you and so many others have advocated didn't work. I hope the masks won't be another issue you were wrong about.

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All this continuing angst about masks amazes me. Biden has signed a dozen executive orders far more troubling .

Regardless I believe mask use will be generally abandoned by most come this August.

Followed by some limited use in a few 3rd wave ( relatively minor ) hot spots next fall.

The worst is over guys. Infection numbers should continue to drop.

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Good to hear. I hope you are right. I have a liberal cousin who is a prof at WV, and she's telling everyone we will need to wear masks for years, despite being fully-vaccinated.

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If not enough of the population gets vaccinated, yes we will be required to wear them entering businesses.

But look around, plenty of countries have stopped the virus by quarantining everyone coming in, and don't need masks. The discipline required to basically stop the virus is not something Americans possess, imo, but with enough vaccinated, it will turn into a non issue.

I'm sure your family will do your part and get the vaccine?

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Sorry, but that's just a false statement. Plenty of countries have attempted strict quarantines to no avail. None of them have worked. PeriodAnd no I will not be getting the vaccine. If I get Covid I get it.

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You haven't heard of New Zealand? Taiwan? It worked. How you can be so blatantly ignorant is incredible.

Total cases in Taiwan: 933
Total deaths in Taiwan: 9

Incredible, given the amount of travel to/from China.

Most countries were extremely ill prepared. You rabid orange man lovers want to pretend there's nothing more we could have done, but facts state otherwise.

It's a done deal now, but please, educate yourself slightly before having an opinion.

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You're making apples to oranges comparisons. The countries with low population densities have been able to handle the virus quite well. NZ has a much smaller population density than any country in Europe, or the U.S. It was much easier for them to contain the virus as a result. Of course, they also killed their economy in the process. They're faring much worse than we are in that regard.

As for the East Asian countries, I posted an article on this a while back examining why countries like Japan, Taiwan and South Korea have fared so well compared to the rest of the world. Scientists speculate that is based on factors other than draconian quarantines, including genetic factors and herd immunity from previous SARS pandemics. Take Japan for example. It has one of the highest population densities and one of the oldest populations in the world. Yet, it hasn't done any lockdowns. None. Schools and businesses stayed open. In short, there is something inherit in the genetic makeup and exposure to other viruses that have helped the Far East Asian population fare much better in response to this pandemic.

You have a bad habit of calling other people stupid, when you are consistently glib on most topics. Educate yourself next time, instead of bringing a knife to a gun fight.

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You're making apples to oranges comparison

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Mothra said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Unfortunately most of us must do this thing called work for a living. We can't all stay holed up until c19 goes away. The vast majority of people aren't as as lucky as you.

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Our investment properties require almost daily interaction with tenants, contractors, landscapers , realtors, and title closers .

Toss in the inevitable trips to the post office, doctors office, and various retail stores....'holing up' 24/7 is not a reality for almost anyone.

But again.......everyone here knows this and has known it for months .

Yet it won't be a week and the same comments will re appear still again .

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Glad to hear you acknowledge we couldn't have stay holed up, which I recall was generally your solution to the pandemic. That was never a viable option.

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Canada2017 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Unfortunately most of us must do this thing called work for a living. We can't all stay holed up until c19 goes away. The vast majority of people aren't as as lucky as you.

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Our investment properties require almost daily interaction with tenants, contractors, landscapers , realtors, and title closers .

Toss in the inevitable trips to the post office, doctors office, and various retail stores....'holing up' 24/7 is not a reality for almost anyone.

But again.......everyone here knows this and has known it for months .

Yet it won't be a week and the same comments will re appear still again .

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Glad to hear you acknowledge we couldn't have stay holed up, which I recall was generally your solution to the pandemic. That was never a viable option.

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So tired of wasting time with the same dead heads.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Mothra said:

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Unfortunately most of us must do this thing called work for a living. We can't all stay holed up until c19 goes away. The vast majority of people aren't as as lucky as you.

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Our investment properties require almost daily interaction with tenants, contractors, landscapers , realtors, and title closers .

Toss in the inevitable trips to the post office, doctors office, and various retail stores....'holing up' 24/7 is not a reality for almost anyone.

But again.......everyone here knows this and has known it for months .

Yet it won't be a week and the same comments will re appear still again .

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Glad to hear you acknowledge we couldn't have stay holed up, which I recall was generally your solution to the pandemic. That was never a viable option.

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So tired of wasting time with the same dead heads.

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Hey, now! Don't disrespect the avatar.

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Now approaching half a million deaths and still....the same guys making the same ridiculous arguments .

In all of US history only two events have cost more American lives than the Covid pandemic .

1918 Spanish Influenza
US Civil War

Yet some remain firm that C19 is ' just another virus' or merely a 'common cold '.

Or say just 'stay inside ' , knowing all along most people simply can't afford to do so . Even then outsiders bring the virus in to them .



We are a strange, eminently self destructive species .

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We have a long ways to go to get there. We would need 2,164,740 deaths by COVID to keep pace with the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic and 6,529,453 to match the Civil War. In fact, we would need 723,428 Americans to die from COVID to keep pace with U.S. combat deaths in World War II.

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Now approaching half a million deaths and still....the same guys making the same ridiculous arguments .

In all of US history only two events have cost more American lives than the Covid pandemic .

1918 Spanish Influenza
US Civil War

Yet some remain firm that C19 is ' just another virus' or merely a 'common cold '.

Or say just 'stay inside ' , knowing all along most people simply can't afford to do so . Even then outsiders bring the virus in to them .



We are a strange, eminently self destructive species .

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We have a long ways to go to get there. We would need 2,164,740 deaths by COVID to keep pace with the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic and 6,529,453 to match the Civil War. In fact, we would need 723,428 Americans to die from COVID to keep pace with U.S. combat deaths in World War II.

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Ridiculous

Percentages don't matter to the relatives of the 500,000 corpses .

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Now approaching half a million deaths and still....the same guys making the same ridiculous arguments .

In all of US history only two events have cost more American lives than the Covid pandemic .

1918 Spanish Influenza
US Civil War

Yet some remain firm that C19 is ' just another virus' or merely a 'common cold '.

Or say just 'stay inside ' , knowing all along most people simply can't afford to do so . Even then outsiders bring the virus in to them .



We are a strange, eminently self destructive species .

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We have a long ways to go to get there. We would need 2,164,740 deaths by COVID to keep pace with the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic and 6,529,453 to match the Civil War. In fact, we would need 723,428 Americans to die from COVID to keep pace with U.S. combat deaths in World War II.

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Ridiculous

Percentages don't matter to the relatives of the 500,000 corpses .

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They don't matter to the one guy who slipped on the banana peel and hit his head in the produce section of the Piggly Wiggly either as compared to the 30 people who died in a commuter plane crash, but facts are facts. You can't possibly compare pandemic deaths from a country with 103 million people and one with 330 million people on a uniform basis. This country had less than 1/3 of the population living in the same space one hundred years ago. To suggest that the factors of proximity, accessibility, global travel mobility create anything close to the same level of transmission amongst a population three times the size of that in 1918 is simply ludicrous. And yet, with all of those factors creating a more restricted transmission environment in 1918-1920, fully one-third of the earth's population contracted Spanish Flu.

I'm certainly not suggesting that COVID deaths are any less consequential than those of Spanish Flu, but YOU are the one that made the comparison between the two in an effort to elevate the magnitude of the modern pandemic. The simple truth is that Spanish Flu was considerably more impactful upon the population of the time from a purely clinical perspective. It is the way we have chosen to magnify by comparison this current pandemic that has created such ancillary detriment amongst the population that didn't exist in 1918, even coming on the heels of a World War that itself had already killed 20 million people.

I understand your desire to try and create a sense of urgency among those that you feel are taking COVID with what you consider an overly trivial level of concern, but manipulating facts and circumstances is not the way to go about that mission.

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Porteroso said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Will masks become the 'new normal' even after the pandemic has passed? Some Americans say so

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"I think we do need a new culture of masks, at least any time not feeling well, and I think masks are in and handshakes out for the indefinite future," said Dr. Tom Frieden, the former director of the C.D.C. during the Obama Administration and the president of global health initiative Resolve to Save Lives.

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Sorry Doc,

But you seem a little out of bounds on this one .

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I am curious how long you think we should continue to wear them? Once enough people are vaccinated? Or until the virus completely goes away (if ever)?

One thing is certain: CA, NY and many of the countries in Europe have proven that the shut-downs you and so many others have advocated didn't work. I hope the masks won't be another issue you were wrong about.

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All this continuing angst about masks amazes me. Biden has signed a dozen executive orders far more troubling .

Regardless I believe mask use will be generally abandoned by most come this August.

Followed by some limited use in a few 3rd wave ( relatively minor ) hot spots next fall.

The worst is over guys. Infection numbers should continue to drop.

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Good to hear. I hope you are right. I have a liberal cousin who is a prof at WV, and she's telling everyone we will need to wear masks for years, despite being fully-vaccinated.

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If not enough of the population gets vaccinated, yes we will be required to wear them entering businesses.

But look around, plenty of countries have stopped the virus by quarantining everyone coming in, and don't need masks. The discipline required to basically stop the virus is not something Americans possess, imo, but with enough vaccinated, it will turn into a non issue.

I'm sure your family will do your part and get the vaccine?

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Sorry, but that's just a false statement. Plenty of countries have attempted strict quarantines to no avail. None of them have worked. PeriodAnd no I will not be getting the vaccine. If I get Covid I get it.

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You haven't heard of New Zealand? Taiwan? It worked. How you can be so blatantly ignorant is incredible.

Total cases in Taiwan: 933
Total deaths in Taiwan: 9

Incredible, given the amount of travel to/from China.

Most countries were extremely ill prepared. You rabid orange man lovers want to pretend there's nothing more we could have done, but facts state otherwise.

It's a done deal now, but please, educate yourself slightly before having an opinion.

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You're making apples to oranges comparisons. The countries with low population densities have been able to handle the virus quite well. NZ has a much smaller population density than any country in Europe, or the U.S. It was much easier for them to contain the virus as a result. Of course, they also killed their economy in the process. They're faring much worse than we are in that regard.

As for the East Asian countries, I posted an article on this a while back examining why countries like Japan, Taiwan and South Korea have fared so well compared to the rest of the world. Scientists speculate that is based on factors other than draconian quarantines, including genetic factors and herd immunity from previous SARS pandemics. Take Japan for example. It has one of the highest population densities and one of the oldest populations in the world. Yet, it hasn't done any lockdowns. None. Schools and businesses stayed open. In short, there is something inherit in the genetic makeup and exposure to other viruses that have helped the Far East Asian population fare much better in response to this pandemic.

You have a bad habit of calling other people stupid, when you are consistently glib on most topics. Educate yourself next time, instead of bringing a knife to a gun fight.

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And be expected to be taken seriously. Of course the US isn't Taiwan, but strict quarantines absolutely worked for Taiwan. Ofc they were able to implement it much easier than us, but your absolute statement was absolutely wrong.

edit: I don't know why I bother. When I have to constantly ask people to reconcile their contradictory statements, it's clear we aren't really having a discussion, they're busy with the mental gymnastics twisting themselves into such a twizzle they won't have to deal with reality.

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Canada2017 said:

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Mothra said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Mothra said:

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Unfortunately most of us must do this thing called work for a living. We can't all stay holed up until c19 goes away. The vast majority of people aren't as as lucky as you.

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Our investment properties require almost daily interaction with tenants, contractors, landscapers , realtors, and title closers .

Toss in the inevitable trips to the post office, doctors office, and various retail stores....'holing up' 24/7 is not a reality for almost anyone.

But again.......everyone here knows this and has known it for months .

Yet it won't be a week and the same comments will re appear still again .

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Glad to hear you acknowledge we couldn't have stay holed up, which I recall was generally your solution to the pandemic. That was never a viable option.

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So tired of wasting time with the same dead heads. Dumb as grass but truly believe they are brilliant.

Businesses and events that involve large number of people need to be regulated. Closed where/when necessary .

As immortals who can't add two plus two....get infected...then infect others who are not immortal .

Damn, some of you clowns really need to disappear into your John Wayne pseudo realities and never re emerge .

Meanwhile the rest of us have families to protect.

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Canada2017 said:

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Mothra said:

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Unfortunately most of us must do this thing called work for a living. We can't all stay holed up until c19 goes away. The vast majority of people aren't as as lucky as you.

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Our investment properties require almost daily interaction with tenants, contractors, landscapers , realtors, and title closers .

Toss in the inevitable trips to the post office, doctors office, and various retail stores....'holing up' 24/7 is not a reality for almost anyone.

But again.......everyone here knows this and has known it for months .

Yet it won't be a week and the same comments will re appear still again .

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Glad to hear you acknowledge we couldn't have stay holed up, which I recall was generally your solution to the pandemic. That was never a viable option.

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So tired of wasting time with the same dead heads. Dumb as grass but truly believe they are brilliant.

Businesses and events that involve large number of people need to be regulated. Closed where/when necessary .

As immortals who can't add two plus two....get infected...then infect others who are not immortal .

Damn, some of you clowns really need to disappear into your John Wayne pseudo realities and never re emerge .

Meanwhile the rest of us have families to protect.

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Some interesting revisionist history here. Are you truly suggesting that the only quarantines and closures you proposed are businesses and events involving large gatherings of people? No, you wanted a lot more than that.

Businesses and events that involved large number of people were shut down, just FYI. It truly is asinine to suggest that is the cause of our death total, when we have no evidence at all that the NFL, NBA or restaurants with limited capacity caused what we are currently experiencing.

You complain a lot, but offer few if any viable solutions, nor any evidence that people like me have caused more deaths. And yet, you sit on your perch and take potshots at others who don't have the luxury of holing up in their basement.

Perhaps you are the one who needs to stay cowered in the basement, and cut the cord to the internet. You've turned into an easily triggered *******.

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Canada2017 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Mothra said:

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Unfortunately most of us must do this thing called work for a living. We can't all stay holed up until c19 goes away. The vast majority of people aren't as as lucky as you.

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Our investment properties require almost daily interaction with tenants, contractors, landscapers , realtors, and title closers .

Toss in the inevitable trips to the post office, doctors office, and various retail stores....'holing up' 24/7 is not a reality for almost anyone.

But again.......everyone here knows this and has known it for months .

Yet it won't be a week and the same comments will re appear still again .

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Glad to hear you acknowledge we couldn't have stay holed up, which I recall was generally your solution to the pandemic. That was never a viable option.

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So tired of wasting time with the same dead heads. Dumb as grass but truly believe they are brilliant.

Businesses and events that involve large number of people need to be regulated. Closed where/when necessary .

As immortals who can't add two plus two....get infected...then infect others who are not immortal .

Damn, some of you clowns really need to disappear into your John Wayne pseudo realities and never re emerge .

Meanwhile the rest of us have families to protect.

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Some interesting revisionist history here. Are you truly suggesting that the only quarantines and closures you proposed are businesses and events involving large gatherings of people? No, you wanted a lot more than that.

Businesses and events that involved large number of people were shut down, just FYI. It truly is asinine to suggest that is the cause of our death total, when we have no evidence at all that the NFL, NBA or restaurants with limited capacity caused what we are currently experiencing.

You complain a lot, but offer few if any viable solutions, nor any evidence that people like me have caused more deaths. And yet, you sit on your perch and take potshots at others who don't have the luxury of holing up in their basement.

Perhaps you are the one who needs to stay cowered in the basement, and cut the cord to the internet. You've turned into an easily triggered *******.

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You haven't 'turned into an easily triggered ******* ' .......you've remained an ignorant ******* from the beginning of this pandemic . As the death counts continue to rise ( now almost 500,000 ) you merely double down.

Fortunately a handful of people who can actually think have developed a solution .

Will the hopelessly ignorant learn anything from their misguided sense of priorities for the next pandemic ?

Not a chance .

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Unfortunately most of us must do this thing called work for a living. We can't all stay holed up until c19 goes away. The vast majority of people aren't as as lucky as you.

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Our investment properties require almost daily interaction with tenants, contractors, landscapers , realtors, and title closers .

Toss in the inevitable trips to the post office, doctors office, and various retail stores....'holing up' 24/7 is not a reality for almost anyone.

But again.......everyone here knows this and has known it for months .

Yet it won't be a week and the same comments will re appear still again .

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Glad to hear you acknowledge we couldn't have stay holed up, which I recall was generally your solution to the pandemic. That was never a viable option.

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So tired of wasting time with the same dead heads. Dumb as grass but truly believe they are brilliant.

Businesses and events that involve large number of people need to be regulated. Closed where/when necessary .

As immortals who can't add two plus two....get infected...then infect others who are not immortal .

Damn, some of you clowns really need to disappear into your John Wayne pseudo realities and never re emerge .

Meanwhile the rest of us have families to protect.

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Some interesting revisionist history here. Are you truly suggesting that the only quarantines and closures you proposed are businesses and events involving large gatherings of people? No, you wanted a lot more than that.

Businesses and events that involved large number of people were shut down, just FYI. It truly is asinine to suggest that is the cause of our death total, when we have no evidence at all that the NFL, NBA or restaurants with limited capacity caused what we are currently experiencing.

You complain a lot, but offer few if any viable solutions, nor any evidence that people like me have caused more deaths. And yet, you sit on your perch and take potshots at others who don't have the luxury of holing up in their basement.

Perhaps you are the one who needs to stay cowered in the basement, and cut the cord to the internet. You've turned into an easily triggered *******.

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chuckle

You haven't 'turned into an easily triggered ******* ' .......you've remained an ignorant ******* from the beginning of this pandemic . As the death counts continue to rise ( now almost 500,000 ) you merely double down.

Fortunately a handful of people who can actually think have developed a solution .

Will the hopelessly ignorant learn anything from their misguided sense of priorities for the next pandemic ?

Not a chance .

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You've proposed no viable solutions. None. Your idea for shutting down the economy didn't work in Europe and it hasn't worked here in the states with draconian shutdowns. One need look no further than CA to see the foolishness of that approach. And your idea that allowing sports teams to play would somehow spread the virus also hasn't borne out. More chicken little b.s.

If you want to take a vaccine that causes your cells to build the spike protein for covid and have a body indefinitely at war with itself with no studies whatsoever on long term side effects - please go get your jab already. But remember to continue to social distance and wear masks indefinitely because it won't keep you from spreading COVID.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Mothra said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Mothra said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Mothra said:

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Unfortunately most of us must do this thing called work for a living. We can't all stay holed up until c19 goes away. The vast majority of people aren't as as lucky as you.

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Our investment properties require almost daily interaction with tenants, contractors, landscapers , realtors, and title closers .

Toss in the inevitable trips to the post office, doctors office, and various retail stores....'holing up' 24/7 is not a reality for almost anyone.

But again.......everyone here knows this and has known it for months .

Yet it won't be a week and the same comments will re appear still again .

---

Glad to hear you acknowledge we couldn't have stay holed up, which I recall was generally your solution to the pandemic. That was never a viable option.

---

So tired of wasting time with the same dead heads. Dumb as grass but truly believe they are brilliant.

Businesses and events that involve large number of people need to be regulated. Closed where/when necessary .

As immortals who can't add two plus two....get infected...then infect others who are not immortal .

Damn, some of you clowns really need to disappear into your John Wayne pseudo realities and never re emerge .

Meanwhile the rest of us have families to protect.

---

Some interesting revisionist history here. Are you truly suggesting that the only quarantines and closures you proposed are businesses and events involving large gatherings of people? No, you wanted a lot more than that.

Businesses and events that involved large number of people were shut down, just FYI. It truly is asinine to suggest that is the cause of our death total, when we have no evidence at all that the NFL, NBA or restaurants with limited capacity caused what we are currently experiencing.

You complain a lot, but offer few if any viable solutions, nor any evidence that people like me have caused more deaths. And yet, you sit on your perch and take potshots at others who don't have the luxury of holing up in their basement.

Perhaps you are the one who needs to stay cowered in the basement, and cut the cord to the internet. You've turned into an easily triggered *******.

---

chuckle

You haven't 'turned into an easily triggered ******* ' .......you've remained an ignorant ******* from the beginning of this pandemic . As the death counts continue to rise ( now almost 500,000 ) you merely double down.

Fortunately a handful of people who can actually think have developed a solution .

Will the hopelessly ignorant learn anything from their misguided sense of priorities for the next pandemic ?

Not a chance .

---

You've proposed no viable solutions. None. Your idea for shutting down the economy didn't work in Europe and it hasn't worked here in the states with draconian shutdowns. One need look no further than CA to see the foolishness of that approach. And your idea that allowing sports teams to play would somehow spread the virus also hasn't borne out. More chicken little b.s.

If you want to take a vaccine that causes your cells to build the spike protein for covid and have a body indefinitely at war with itself with no studies whatsoever on long term side effects - please go get your jab already. But remember to continue to social distance and wear masks indefinitely because it won't keep you from spreading COVID.

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Is there any such thing as a non-draconian shutdown? What would it look like?

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Mothra said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Mothra said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Mothra said:

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Unfortunately most of us must do this thing called work for a living. We can't all stay holed up until c19 goes away. The vast majority of people aren't as as lucky as you.

---

Our investment properties require almost daily interaction with tenants, contractors, landscapers , realtors, and title closers .

Toss in the inevitable trips to the post office, doctors office, and various retail stores....'holing up' 24/7 is not a reality for almost anyone.

But again.......everyone here knows this and has known it for months .

Yet it won't be a week and the same comments will re appear still again .

---

Glad to hear you acknowledge we couldn't have stay holed up, which I recall was generally your solution to the pandemic. That was never a viable option.

---

So tired of wasting time with the same dead heads. Dumb as grass but truly believe they are brilliant.

Businesses and events that involve large number of people need to be regulated. Closed where/when necessary .

As immortals who can't add two plus two....get infected...then infect others who are not immortal .

Damn, some of you clowns really need to disappear into your John Wayne pseudo realities and never re emerge .

Meanwhile the rest of us have families to protect.

---

Some interesting revisionist history here. Are you truly suggesting that the only quarantines and closures you proposed are businesses and events involving large gatherings of people? No, you wanted a lot more than that.

Businesses and events that involved large number of people were shut down, just FYI. It truly is asinine to suggest that is the cause of our death total, when we have no evidence at all that the NFL, NBA or restaurants with limited capacity caused what we are currently experiencing.

You complain a lot, but offer few if any viable solutions, nor any evidence that people like me have caused more deaths. And yet, you sit on your perch and take potshots at others who don't have the luxury of holing up in their basement.

Perhaps you are the one who needs to stay cowered in the basement, and cut the cord to the internet. You've turned into an easily triggered *******.

---

chuckle

You haven't 'turned into an easily triggered ******* ' .......you've remained an ignorant ******* from the beginning of this pandemic . As the death counts continue to rise ( now almost 500,000 ) you merely double down.

Fortunately a handful of people who can actually think have developed a solution .

Will the hopelessly ignorant learn anything from their misguided sense of priorities for the next pandemic ?

Not a chance .

---

You've proposed no viable solutions. None. Your idea for shutting down the economy didn't work in Europe and it hasn't worked here in the states with draconian shutdowns. One need look no further than CA to see the foolishness of that approach. And your idea that allowing sports teams to play would somehow spread the virus also hasn't borne out. More chicken little b.s.

If you want to take a vaccine that causes your cells to build the spike protein for covid and have a body indefinitely at war with itself with no studies whatsoever on long term side effects - please go get your jab already. But remember to continue to social distance and wear masks indefinitely because it won't keep you from spreading COVID.

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Is there any such thing as a non-draconian shutdown? What would it look like?

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Canada2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Mothra said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Mothra said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Mothra said:

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Unfortunately most of us must do this thing called work for a living. We can't all stay holed up until c19 goes away. The vast majority of people aren't as as lucky as you.

---

Our investment properties require almost daily interaction with tenants, contractors, landscapers , realtors, and title closers .

Toss in the inevitable trips to the post office, doctors office, and various retail stores....'holing up' 24/7 is not a reality for almost anyone.

But again.......everyone here knows this and has known it for months .

Yet it won't be a week and the same comments will re appear still again .

---

Glad to hear you acknowledge we couldn't have stay holed up, which I recall was generally your solution to the pandemic. That was never a viable option.

---

So tired of wasting time with the same dead heads. Dumb as grass but truly believe they are brilliant.

Businesses and events that involve large number of people need to be regulated. Closed where/when necessary .

As immortals who can't add two plus two....get infected...then infect others who are not immortal .

Damn, some of you clowns really need to disappear into your John Wayne pseudo realities and never re emerge .

Meanwhile the rest of us have families to protect.

---

Some interesting revisionist history here. Are you truly suggesting that the only quarantines and closures you proposed are businesses and events involving large gatherings of people? No, you wanted a lot more than that.

Businesses and events that involved large number of people were shut down, just FYI. It truly is asinine to suggest that is the cause of our death total, when we have no evidence at all that the NFL, NBA or restaurants with limited capacity caused what we are currently experiencing.

You complain a lot, but offer few if any viable solutions, nor any evidence that people like me have caused more deaths. And yet, you sit on your perch and take potshots at others who don't have the luxury of holing up in their basement.

Perhaps you are the one who needs to stay cowered in the basement, and cut the cord to the internet. You've turned into an easily triggered *******.

---

chuckle

You haven't 'turned into an easily triggered ******* ' .......you've remained an ignorant ******* from the beginning of this pandemic . As the death counts continue to rise ( now almost 500,000 ) you merely double down.

Fortunately a handful of people who can actually think have developed a solution .

Will the hopelessly ignorant learn anything from their misguided sense of priorities for the next pandemic ?

Not a chance .

---

You've proposed no viable solutions. None. Your idea for shutting down the economy didn't work in Europe and it hasn't worked here in the states with draconian shutdowns. One need look no further than CA to see the foolishness of that approach. And your idea that allowing sports teams to play would somehow spread the virus also hasn't borne out. More chicken little b.s.

If you want to take a vaccine that causes your cells to build the spike protein for covid and have a body indefinitely at war with itself with no studies whatsoever on long term side effects - please go get your jab already. But remember to continue to social distance and wear masks indefinitely because it won't keep you from spreading COVID.

---

Is there any such thing as a non-draconian shutdown? What would it look like?

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And of course that is what is occurring up here .

Business in Northern Colorado is booming .

New construction everywhere.

But for the severely limited................they would rather pretend half a million deaths have not occurred rather than miss happy hour or a football game .

Absolute insanity .

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Mothra said:

---

Canada2017 said:

---

Mothra said:

---

Canada2017 said:

---

Mothra said:

---

Unfortunately most of us must do this thing called work for a living. We can't all stay holed up until c19 goes away. The vast majority of people aren't as as lucky as you.

---

Our investment properties require almost daily interaction with tenants, contractors, landscapers , realtors, and title closers .

Toss in the inevitable trips to the post office, doctors office, and various retail stores....'holing up' 24/7 is not a reality for almost anyone.

But again.......everyone here knows this and has known it for months .

Yet it won't be a week and the same comments will re appear still again .

---

Glad to hear you acknowledge we couldn't have stay holed up, which I recall was generally your solution to the pandemic. That was never a viable option.

---

So tired of wasting time with the same dead heads. Dumb as grass but truly believe they are brilliant.

Businesses and events that involve large number of people need to be regulated. Closed where/when necessary .

As immortals who can't add two plus two....get infected...then infect others who are not immortal .

Damn, some of you clowns really need to disappear into your John Wayne pseudo realities and never re emerge .

Meanwhile the rest of us have families to protect.

---

Some interesting revisionist history here. Are you truly suggesting that the only quarantines and closures you proposed are businesses and events involving large gatherings of people? No, you wanted a lot more than that.

Businesses and events that involved large number of people were shut down, just FYI. It truly is asinine to suggest that is the cause of our death total, when we have no evidence at all that the NFL, NBA or restaurants with limited capacity caused what we are currently experiencing.

You complain a lot, but offer few if any viable solutions, nor any evidence that people like me have caused more deaths. And yet, you sit on your perch and take potshots at others who don't have the luxury of holing up in their basement.

Perhaps you are the one who needs to stay cowered in the basement, and cut the cord to the internet. You've turned into an easily triggered *******.

---

chuckle

You haven't 'turned into an easily triggered ******* ' .......you've remained an ignorant ******* from the beginning of this pandemic . As the death counts continue to rise ( now almost 500,000 ) you merely double down.

Fortunately a handful of people who can actually think have developed a solution .

Will the hopelessly ignorant learn anything from their misguided sense of priorities for the next pandemic ?

Not a chance .

---

You've proposed no viable solutions. None. Your idea for shutting down the economy didn't work in Europe and it hasn't worked here in the states with draconian shutdowns. One need look no further than CA to see the foolishness of that approach. And your idea that allowing sports teams to play would somehow spread the virus also hasn't borne out. More chicken little b.s.

If you want to take a vaccine that causes your cells to build the spike protein for covid and have a body indefinitely at war with itself with no studies whatsoever on long term side effects - please go get your jab already. But remember to continue to social distance and wear masks indefinitely because it won't keep you from spreading COVID.

---

Is there any such thing as a non-draconian shutdown? What would it look like?

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