Oldbear83 said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

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Actually, we should have done what we always do during flue season.

Wash hands regularly, don't go to work sick, sanitize where people cough or sneeze, etc.

The mandatory crap was never reasonable and the ones who demanded it are thugs who should be mocked in public and never given public influence again.

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Did you stop washing your hands?

ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

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Yes.

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I'm gonna guess you don't wear sunscreen?

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A better comparison for the protection provided by masks would be the crouch under your desk and cover your head drills done by school children in the event of a nuclear attack. These drills were common in the 50s and 60s.

When I see someone wearing a mask in public today, I see a broken, defeated person.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

---

Yes.

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I'm gonna guess you don't wear sunscreen?

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A better comparison for the protection provided by masks would be the crouch under your desk and cover your head drills done by school children in the event of a nuclear attack. These drills were common in the 50s and 60s.

When I see someone wearing a mask in public today, I see a broken, defeated person.

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It is a a good comparison. It shows people are so misinformed they don't realize variations in a blast radius and believe you are going to get either vaporized or walk away.

Frank Galvin said:

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Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

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We should have taken steps to protect the elderly and all of those that were immunocompromised and had other health issues. The rest of us (and especially children) should have continued to live our lives.

There is no dishonor in admitting we were very wrong about some things and always continue to learn from our mistakes.

ron.reagan said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

---

Yes.

---

I'm gonna guess you don't wear sunscreen?

---

A better comparison for the protection provided by masks would be the crouch under your desk and cover your head drills done by school children in the event of a nuclear attack. These drills were common in the 50s and 60s.

When I see someone wearing a mask in public today, I see a broken, defeated person.

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It is a a good comparison. It shows people are so misinformed they don't realize variations in a blast radius and believe you are going to get either vaporized or walk away.

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I never got Covid or got it and never knew it. I never took the vaccine. Somehow I didn't get vaporized and walked away. And it certainly was not because I wore a mask when I had to.

ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

---

Yes.

---

I'm gonna guess you don't wear sunscreen?

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After I get enough sun for vitamin D, I'll wear long sleeve fishing shirts as they provide more UV protection vs sunscreen.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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ron.reagan said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

---

Yes.

---

I'm gonna guess you don't wear sunscreen?

---

A better comparison for the protection provided by masks would be the crouch under your desk and cover your head drills done by school children in the event of a nuclear attack. These drills were common in the 50s and 60s.

When I see someone wearing a mask in public today, I see a broken, defeated person.

---

It is a a good comparison. It shows people are so misinformed they don't realize variations in a blast radius and believe you are going to get either vaporized or walk away.

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I never got Covid or got it and never knew it. I never took the vaccine. Somehow I didn't get vaporized and walked away. And it certainly was not because I wore a mask when I had to.

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I'm happy for you. I don't like mandating anything. I actually prefer to kill off the stupid people.

Frank Galvin said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

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Yes.

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That's a bold strategy Cotton

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By avoiding pandemic lockdowns, Sweden had less excess deaths than USA, Canada, UK, Ireland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Poland, Finland, Denmark, Japan, Taiwan, S Korea, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand.

We paid a steep price for our stupidity. Now kids are 3 years behind in education and stunted for life and we printed $6 trillion.

During Covid we knew the following:
-mostly affects elderly (known)
-lockdowns don't work (known)
-lab origin (known)
-masks don't work (known)
-natural immunity (known)
-"vaccines" don't stop transmission (known)

Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

---

Yes.

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That's a bold strategy Cotton

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By avoiding pandemic lockdowns, Sweden had less excess deaths than USA, Canada, UK, Ireland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Poland, Finland, Denmark, Japan, Taiwan, S Korea, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand.

We paid a steep price for our stupidity. Now kids are 3 years behind in education and stunted for life and we printed $6 trillion.

During Covid we knew the following:
-mostly affects elderly (known)
-lockdowns don't work (known)
-lab origin (known)
-masks don't work (known)
-natural immunity (known)
-"vaccines" don't stop transmission (known)

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Sweden doesn't have a country full of diseased fatties. Also low population density and access to healthcare. I assume that helped a bit

Doc Holliday said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

---

Yes.

---

I'm gonna guess you don't wear sunscreen?

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After I get enough sun for vitamin D, I'll wear long sleeve fishing shirts as they provide more UV protection vs sunscreen.

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I do the same but keep it on my money maker

ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

---

Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

---

Yes.

---

I'm gonna guess you don't wear sunscreen?

---

After I get enough sun for vitamin D, I'll wear long sleeve fishing shirts as they provide more UV protection vs sunscreen.

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I do the same but keep it on my money maker

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It's fascinating to me how skin cancer has gone UP directly in line with sunscreen usage. What's up with that? You'd think the opposite would happen.

ron.reagan said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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ron.reagan said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

---

Yes.

---

I'm gonna guess you don't wear sunscreen?

---

A better comparison for the protection provided by masks would be the crouch under your desk and cover your head drills done by school children in the event of a nuclear attack. These drills were common in the 50s and 60s.

When I see someone wearing a mask in public today, I see a broken, defeated person.

---

It is a a good comparison. It shows people are so misinformed they don't realize variations in a blast radius and believe you are going to get either vaporized or walk away.

---

I never got Covid or got it and never knew it. I never took the vaccine. Somehow I didn't get vaporized and walked away. And it certainly was not because I wore a mask when I had to.

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I'm happy for you. I don't like mandating anything. I actually prefer to kill off the stupid people.

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There is something to be said for natural selection and survival of the fittest. That is as far as I'm willing to go. If Idiotocide was implemented in the United States, our population would immediately drop by at least 81 million people.

Doc Holliday said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

---

Yes.

---

I'm gonna guess you don't wear sunscreen?

---

After I get enough sun for vitamin D, I'll wear long sleeve fishing shirts as they provide more UV protection vs sunscreen.

---

I do the same but keep it on my money maker

---

It's fascinating to me how skin cancer has gone UP directly in line with sunscreen usage. What's up with that? You'd think the opposite would happen.

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How many guys in 1950 visited the dermatologist?

ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

---

Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

---

Yes.

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That's a bold strategy Cotton

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By avoiding pandemic lockdowns, Sweden had less excess deaths than USA, Canada, UK, Ireland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Poland, Finland, Denmark, Japan, Taiwan, S Korea, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand.

We paid a steep price for our stupidity. Now kids are 3 years behind in education and stunted for life and we printed $6 trillion.

During Covid we knew the following:
-mostly affects elderly (known)
-lockdowns don't work (known)
-lab origin (known)
-masks don't work (known)
-natural immunity (known)
-"vaccines" don't stop transmission (known)

---

Sweden doesn't have a country full of diseased fatties. Also low population density and access to healthcare. I assume that helped a bit

---

Yeah and that equated to herd immunity. We locked down our healthy young people...

The low-risk & healthy HAVE TO GET IT for us to achieve any kind of herd defense to protect the vulnerable. It can happen fast with an economy and society and in our case it happened slowly while we lost both.

The only options were permanent lockdown and wait for vaccine/therapeutic or herd immunity. Irrational arguments prevailed because of panic porn. Lockdowns kept being extended while delaying the inevitable. Sweden got it right.

ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

---

Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

---

Yes.

---

I'm gonna guess you don't wear sunscreen?

---

After I get enough sun for vitamin D, I'll wear long sleeve fishing shirts as they provide more UV protection vs sunscreen.

---

I do the same but keep it on my money maker

---

It's fascinating to me how skin cancer has gone UP directly in line with sunscreen usage. What's up with that? You'd think the opposite would happen.

---

How many guys in 1950 visited the dermatologist?

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That's a good point. Melanoma detection improved after the 1970s so more cases have been caught and altered the data, but why isn't skin cancer rapidly falling along with high use of sunscreen?

Doc Holliday said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

---

Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

---

Yes.

---

That's a bold strategy Cotton

---

By avoiding pandemic lockdowns, Sweden had less excess deaths than USA, Canada, UK, Ireland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Poland, Finland, Denmark, Japan, Taiwan, S Korea, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand.

We paid a steep price for our stupidity. Now kids are 3 years behind in education and stunted for life and we printed $6 trillion.

During Covid we knew the following:
-mostly affects elderly (known)
-lockdowns don't work (known)
-lab origin (known)
-masks don't work (known)
-natural immunity (known)
-"vaccines" don't stop transmission (known)

---

Sweden doesn't have a country full of diseased fatties. Also low population density and access to healthcare. I assume that helped a bit

---

Yeah and that equated to herd immunity. We locked down our healthy young people...

The low-risk & healthy HAVE TO GET IT for us to achieve any kind of herd defense to protect the vulnerable. It can happen fast with an economy and society and in our case it happened slowly while we lost both.

The only options were permanent lockdown and wait for vaccine/therapeutic or herd immunity. Irrational arguments prevailed because of panic porn. Lockdowns kept being extended while delaying the inevitable. Sweden got it right.

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I can see how you came to this conclusion. But again, comparing the US to a healthy educated society doesn't make any sense to me.

ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

---

Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

---

Yes.

---

That's a bold strategy Cotton

---

By avoiding pandemic lockdowns, Sweden had less excess deaths than USA, Canada, UK, Ireland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Poland, Finland, Denmark, Japan, Taiwan, S Korea, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand.

We paid a steep price for our stupidity. Now kids are 3 years behind in education and stunted for life and we printed $6 trillion.

During Covid we knew the following:
-mostly affects elderly (known)
-lockdowns don't work (known)
-lab origin (known)
-masks don't work (known)
-natural immunity (known)
-"vaccines" don't stop transmission (known)

---

Sweden doesn't have a country full of diseased fatties. Also low population density and access to healthcare. I assume that helped a bit

---

Yeah and that equated to herd immunity. We locked down our healthy young people...

The low-risk & healthy HAVE TO GET IT for us to achieve any kind of herd defense to protect the vulnerable. It can happen fast with an economy and society and in our case it happened slowly while we lost both.

The only options were permanent lockdown and wait for vaccine/therapeutic or herd immunity. Irrational arguments prevailed because of panic porn. Lockdowns kept being extended while delaying the inevitable. Sweden got it right.

---

I can see how you came to this conclusion. But again, comparing the US to a healthy educated society doesn't make any sense to me.

---

The data we have today shows that vaccines didn't curb covid, it slowed in the US when we stopped lockdowns. We already have proof that it worked in the US.

We shouldn't have had lockdowns and instead we should've urged obese and diseased people to manage their exposure through their own responsibility and the young and healthy would have curbed covid quickly.

Doc Holliday said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Doc Holliday said:

---

Frank Galvin said:

---

Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

---

Yes.

---

That's a bold strategy Cotton

---

By avoiding pandemic lockdowns, Sweden had less excess deaths than USA, Canada, UK, Ireland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Poland, Finland, Denmark, Japan, Taiwan, S Korea, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand.

We paid a steep price for our stupidity. Now kids are 3 years behind in education and stunted for life and we printed $6 trillion.

During Covid we knew the following:
-mostly affects elderly (known)
-lockdowns don't work (known)
-lab origin (known)
-masks don't work (known)
-natural immunity (known)
-"vaccines" don't stop transmission (known)

---

Sweden doesn't have a country full of diseased fatties. Also low population density and access to healthcare. I assume that helped a bit

---

Yeah and that equated to herd immunity. We locked down our healthy young people...

The low-risk & healthy HAVE TO GET IT for us to achieve any kind of herd defense to protect the vulnerable. It can happen fast with an economy and society and in our case it happened slowly while we lost both.

The only options were permanent lockdown and wait for vaccine/therapeutic or herd immunity. Irrational arguments prevailed because of panic porn. Lockdowns kept being extended while delaying the inevitable. Sweden got it right.

---

I can see how you came to this conclusion. But again, comparing the US to a healthy educated society doesn't make any sense to me.

---

The data we have today shows that vaccines didn't curb covid, it slowed in the US when we stopped lockdowns. We already have proof that it worked in the US.

We shouldn't have had lockdowns and instead we should've urged obese and diseased people to manage their exposure through their own responsibility and the young and healthy would have curbed covid quickly.

---

I don't agree with the lock downs but using it as an example of how vaccines don't work is just pure ignorance. With "herd immunity" you still keep getting COVID in a similar way as the vaccine.

Not to be a wet blanket, but this orgy of ignorance has been going on for two years now. Don't you people ever get tired?

ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Doc Holliday said:

---

Frank Galvin said:

---

Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

---

Yes.

---

That's a bold strategy Cotton

---

By avoiding pandemic lockdowns, Sweden had less excess deaths than USA, Canada, UK, Ireland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Poland, Finland, Denmark, Japan, Taiwan, S Korea, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand.

We paid a steep price for our stupidity. Now kids are 3 years behind in education and stunted for life and we printed $6 trillion.

During Covid we knew the following:
-mostly affects elderly (known)
-lockdowns don't work (known)
-lab origin (known)
-masks don't work (known)
-natural immunity (known)
-"vaccines" don't stop transmission (known)

---

Sweden doesn't have a country full of diseased fatties. Also low population density and access to healthcare. I assume that helped a bit

---

Yeah and that equated to herd immunity. We locked down our healthy young people...

The low-risk & healthy HAVE TO GET IT for us to achieve any kind of herd defense to protect the vulnerable. It can happen fast with an economy and society and in our case it happened slowly while we lost both.

The only options were permanent lockdown and wait for vaccine/therapeutic or herd immunity. Irrational arguments prevailed because of panic porn. Lockdowns kept being extended while delaying the inevitable. Sweden got it right.

---

I can see how you came to this conclusion. But again, comparing the US to a healthy educated society doesn't make any sense to me.

---

The data we have today shows that vaccines didn't curb covid, it slowed in the US when we stopped lockdowns. We already have proof that it worked in the US.

We shouldn't have had lockdowns and instead we should've urged obese and diseased people to manage their exposure through their own responsibility and the young and healthy would have curbed covid quickly.

---

I don't agree with the lock downs but using it as an example of how vaccines don't work is just pure ignorance. With "herd immunity" you still keep getting COVID in a similar way as the vaccine.

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There's no data points showing the vaccines worked to stop transmission.

It's also not truly a vaccine. The original sin was calling it a vaccine in the first place (followed by changing the definition of vaccines). If they'd been honest, they'd have said it's like a flu jab which might help reduce symptoms. Instead they poisoned the well of actual vaccines.

Doc Holliday said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

---

Yes.

---

I'm gonna guess you don't wear sunscreen?

---

After I get enough sun for vitamin D, I'll wear long sleeve fishing shirts as they provide more UV protection vs sunscreen.

---

I do the same but keep it on my money maker

---

It's fascinating to me how skin cancer has gone UP directly in line with sunscreen usage. What's up with that? You'd think the opposite would happen.

---

How many guys in 1950 visited the dermatologist?

---

That's a good point. Melanoma detection improved after the 1970s so more cases have been caught and altered the data, but why isn't skin cancer rapidly falling along with high use of sunscreen?

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Most of your regular sunscreens have toxins and seed oils in them. You have to google and find some more natural ones. These days any product we use that has any fragrance is probably toxic from detergent to shampoo. All of these toxins are endocrine disruptors that mess up your hormones and probably cause cancer.

Doc Holliday said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

---

Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

---

Yes.

---

That's a bold strategy Cotton

---

By avoiding pandemic lockdowns, Sweden had less excess deaths than USA, Canada, UK, Ireland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Poland, Finland, Denmark, Japan, Taiwan, S Korea, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand.

We paid a steep price for our stupidity. Now kids are 3 years behind in education and stunted for life and we printed $6 trillion.

During Covid we knew the following:
-mostly affects elderly (known)
-lockdowns don't work (known)
-lab origin (known)
-masks don't work (known)
-natural immunity (known)
-"vaccines" don't stop transmission (known)

---

Sweden doesn't have a country full of diseased fatties. Also low population density and access to healthcare. I assume that helped a bit

---

Yeah and that equated to herd immunity. We locked down our healthy young people...

The low-risk & healthy HAVE TO GET IT for us to achieve any kind of herd defense to protect the vulnerable. It can happen fast with an economy and society and in our case it happened slowly while we lost both.

The only options were permanent lockdown and wait for vaccine/therapeutic or herd immunity. Irrational arguments prevailed because of panic porn. Lockdowns kept being extended while delaying the inevitable. Sweden got it right.

---

I can see how you came to this conclusion. But again, comparing the US to a healthy educated society doesn't make any sense to me.

---

The data we have today shows that vaccines didn't curb covid, it slowed in the US when we stopped lockdowns. We already have proof that it worked in the US.

We shouldn't have had lockdowns and instead we should've urged obese and diseased people to manage their exposure through their own responsibility and the young and healthy would have curbed covid quickly.

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When did we stop lockdowns? When did we have a significant number of vaccinations?

Sam Lowry said:

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Not to be a wet blanket, but this orgy of ignorance has been going on for two years now. Don't you people ever get tired?

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Nah we have the data and facts now.

They never tested transmissibility for original virus at the time that they made the claims it reduced transmission, this was admitted by Pfizer.

The unwillingness to update recommendations based on lower efficacy and change protocols and policies based on said lowered efficacy while acting like everything was still a clear-cut case is what undermined trust. This isn't debatable.

We GREATLY hurt an entire generation's education and destroyed unbelievable amounts of middle class wealth. How it was handled was catastrophic. Our leaders and healthcare industry should be ashamed of themselves.

Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Not to be a wet blanket, but this orgy of ignorance has been going on for two years now. Don't you people ever get tired?

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Nah we have the data and facts now.

They never tested transmissibility for original virus at the time that they made the claims it reduced transmission, this was admitted by Pfizer.

The unwillingness to update recommendations based on lower efficacy and change protocols and policies based on said lowered efficacy while acting like everything was still a clear-cut case is what undermined trust. This isn't debatable.

We GREATLY hurt an entire generation's education and destroyed unbelievable amounts of middle class wealth. How it was handled was catastrophic. Our leaders and healthcare industry should be ashamed of themselves.

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Sigh.

Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Not to be a wet blanket, but this orgy of ignorance has been going on for two years now. Don't you people ever get tired?

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Nah we have the data and facts now.

They never tested transmissibility for original virus at the time that they made the claims it reduced transmission, this was admitted by Pfizer.

The unwillingness to update recommendations based on lower efficacy and change protocols and policies based on said lowered efficacy while acting like everything was still a clear-cut case is what undermined trust. This isn't debatable.

We GREATLY hurt an entire generation's education and destroyed unbelievable amounts of middle class wealth. How it was handled was catastrophic. Our leaders and healthcare industry should be ashamed of themselves.

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Sigh.

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We locked down healthy and virtually risk free children for two years, printed trillions of dollars and destroyed small businesses.

There's no data you can point to that proves those things needed to happen. You literally don't have it.

ron.reagan said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

---

Actually, we should have done what we always do during flue season.

Wash hands regularly, don't go to work sick, sanitize where people cough or sneeze, etc.

The mandatory crap was never reasonable and the ones who demanded it are thugs who should be mocked in public and never given public influence again.

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Did you stop washing your hands?

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No, but I know some who never started.

ron.reagan said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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ron.reagan said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

---

Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

---

Yes.

---

I'm gonna guess you don't wear sunscreen?

---

A better comparison for the protection provided by masks would be the crouch under your desk and cover your head drills done by school children in the event of a nuclear attack. These drills were common in the 50s and 60s.

When I see someone wearing a mask in public today, I see a broken, defeated person.

---

It is a a good comparison. It shows people are so misinformed they don't realize variations in a blast radius and believe you are going to get either vaporized or walk away.

---

I never got Covid or got it and never knew it. I never took the vaccine. Somehow I didn't get vaporized and walked away. And it certainly was not because I wore a mask when I had to.

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I'm happy for you. I don't like mandating anything. I actually prefer to kill off the stupid people.

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And you are still here because ...?

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Not to be a wet blanket, but this orgy of ignorance has been going on for two years now. Don't you people ever get tired?

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Nah we have the data and facts now.

They never tested transmissibility for original virus at the time that they made the claims it reduced transmission, this was admitted by Pfizer.

The unwillingness to update recommendations based on lower efficacy and change protocols and policies based on said lowered efficacy while acting like everything was still a clear-cut case is what undermined trust. This isn't debatable.

We GREATLY hurt an entire generation's education and destroyed unbelievable amounts of middle class wealth. How it was handled was catastrophic. Our leaders and healthcare industry should be ashamed of themselves.

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What I remember is that:

(1) when the virus first hit, nobody knew much and lots of people were dying.

(2) after several months, it became clearer that the virus was an incredible risk for older people, a significant risk for people with co-morbidities and not an exceptional risk for healthy younger people, although with some exceptions.

(3) after a year the virus mutated so it was more of a risk to younger people; almost simultaneously we had the vaccine rollout. The initial result was that people who were vaccinated were much less at risk of dying and serious illness than the non-vaccinated. There was a big strain on our health care system from the non-vaccinated.

(4) as the virus continued to mutate, the vaccines remained effective at mitigating the severity of the disease but lost effectiveness at stopping transmission of the disease.

Based on the above, my impression was that the initial lockdowns were prudent. Someplaces went overboard as to the length the lockdowns continued and schools should have been fully open in the 2020-2021 school year. (They were where I live). The vaccines did their job-had we been fully open in early 2021 with no vaccines we would have seen a real disaster. And the powers that be actually did a great job managing the economy. Given the enormous effect of the pandemic, we escaped relatively unscathed although there were individualized impacts.

As it turned out masks may not have been great at stopping the disease but they also did not cause harm.

You are a real half full person.

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Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

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That's a bold strategy Cotton

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By avoiding pandemic lockdowns, Sweden had less excess deaths than USA, Canada, UK, Ireland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Poland, Finland, Denmark, Japan, Taiwan, S Korea, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand.

We paid a steep price for our stupidity. Now kids are 3 years behind in education and stunted for life and we printed $6 trillion.

During Covid we knew the following:
-mostly affects elderly (known)
-lockdowns don't work (known)
-lab origin (known)
-masks don't work (known)
-natural immunity (known)
-"vaccines" don't stop transmission (known)

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Sweden doesn't have a country full of diseased fatties. Also low population density and access to healthcare. I assume that helped a bit

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Yeah and that equated to herd immunity. We locked down our healthy young people...

The low-risk & healthy HAVE TO GET IT for us to achieve any kind of herd defense to protect the vulnerable. It can happen fast with an economy and society and in our case it happened slowly while we lost both.

The only options were permanent lockdown and wait for vaccine/therapeutic or herd immunity. Irrational arguments prevailed because of panic porn. Lockdowns kept being extended while delaying the inevitable. Sweden got it right.

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I can see how you came to this conclusion. But again, comparing the US to a healthy educated society doesn't make any sense to me.

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The data we have today shows that vaccines didn't curb covid, it slowed in the US when we stopped lockdowns. We already have proof that it worked in the US.

We shouldn't have had lockdowns and instead we should've urged obese and diseased people to manage their exposure through their own responsibility and the young and healthy would have curbed covid quickly.

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I don't agree with the lock downs but using it as an example of how vaccines don't work is just pure ignorance. With "herd immunity" you still keep getting COVID in a similar way as the vaccine.

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There's no data points showing the vaccines worked to stop transmission.

It's also not truly a vaccine. The original sin was calling it a vaccine in the first place (followed by changing the definition of vaccines). If they'd been honest, they'd have said it's like a flu jab which might help reduce symptoms. Instead they poisoned the well of actual vaccines.

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You are very confused

https://www.city-journal.org/article/lockdowns-the-self-inflicted-disaster

"Most likely lockdowns represent the biggest policy mistake in modern times," says Lars Jonung of Lund University in Sweden, a coauthor of one of the new reports. He and two fellow economists, Steve Hanke from Johns Hopkins University and Jonas Herby of the Center for Political Studies in Copenhagen, sifted through nearly 20,000 studies for their book, Did Lockdowns Work?, published in June by the Institute for Economic Affairs (IEA) in London. After combining results from the most rigorous studies analyzing fatality rates and the stringency of lockdowns in various states and nations, they estimate that the average lockdown in the United States and Europe during the spring of 2020 reduced Covid mortality by just 3.2 percent. That translates to some 4,000 avoided deaths in the United Statesa negligible result compared with the toll from the ordinary flu, which annually kills nearly 40,000 Americans.

Even that small effect may be an overestimate, to judge from the other report, published in February by the Paragon Health Institute. The authors, all former economic advisers to the White House, are Joel Zinberg and Brian Blaise of the institute, Eric Sun of Stanford, and Casey Mulligan of the University of Chicago. They analyzed the rates of Covid mortality and of overall excess mortality (the number of deaths above normal from all causes) in the 50 states and the District of Columbia. They adjusted for the relative vulnerability of each state's population by factoring in the age distribution (older people were more vulnerable) and the prevalence of obesity and diabetes (which increased the risk from Covid). Then they compared the mortality rates over the first two years of the pandemic with the stringency of each state's policies (as measured on a widely used Oxford University index that tracked business and school closures, stay-at-home requirements, mandates for masks and vaccines, and other restrictions).

The researchers found no statistically significant effect from the restrictions. The mortality rates in states with stringent policies were not significantly different from those in less restrictive states. Two of the largest states, California and Florida, fared the sametheir mortality rates both stood at the national averagedespite California's lengthy lockdowns and Florida's early reopening. New York, with a mortality rate worse than average despite ranking first in the nation in the stringency of its policies, fared the same as the least restrictive state, South Dakota.

Meantime, the lockdowns did have other significant effects on health. Rates of smoking, drinking, and obesity increased. The number of excess deaths from non-Covid causes in the U.S. rose by nearly 100,000 annually due to extra deaths from stroke, heart attack, diabetes, obesity, drug overdoses, alcohol-induced causes, homicide, and traffic accidents. Many of these excess deaths, which occurred disproportionately among working-age adults, were presumably related to the lockdowns' disruptions in people's lives and in medical treatments. The delays in screening for heart disease and cancer will continue to have a deadly impact in the years ahead.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Interesting thread.

So the thing we should have done when confronted with COVID was … nothing?

No masks, no shutdowns, no vaccines. Just let'er rip?

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Yes.

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That's a bold strategy Cotton

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By avoiding pandemic lockdowns, Sweden had less excess deaths than USA, Canada, UK, Ireland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Poland, Finland, Denmark, Japan, Taiwan, S Korea, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand.

We paid a steep price for our stupidity. Now kids are 3 years behind in education and stunted for life and we printed $6 trillion.

During Covid we knew the following:
-mostly affects elderly (known)
-lockdowns don't work (known)
-lab origin (known)
-masks don't work (known)
-natural immunity (known)
-"vaccines" don't stop transmission (known)

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Sweden doesn't have a country full of diseased fatties. Also low population density and access to healthcare. I assume that helped a bit

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Yeah and that equated to herd immunity. We locked down our healthy young people...

The low-risk & healthy HAVE TO GET IT for us to achieve any kind of herd defense to protect the vulnerable. It can happen fast with an economy and society and in our case it happened slowly while we lost both.

The only options were permanent lockdown and wait for vaccine/therapeutic or herd immunity. Irrational arguments prevailed because of panic porn. Lockdowns kept being extended while delaying the inevitable. Sweden got it right.

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I can see how you came to this conclusion. But again, comparing the US to a healthy educated society doesn't make any sense to me.

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The data we have today shows that vaccines didn't curb covid, it slowed in the US when we stopped lockdowns. We already have proof that it worked in the US.

We shouldn't have had lockdowns and instead we should've urged obese and diseased people to manage their exposure through their own responsibility and the young and healthy would have curbed covid quickly.

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I don't agree with the lock downs but using it as an example of how vaccines don't work is just pure ignorance. With "herd immunity" you still keep getting COVID in a similar way as the vaccine.

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There's no data points showing the vaccines worked to stop transmission.

Instead they poisoned the well of actual vaccines.

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Agree with you. This is the single most negative effect of these ineffective Covid vaccines. The second is how many Americans no longer trust the guidance of the CDC. They are now more about politics and toeing the company line than protecting the American people.

Seems to be a disconnect in their factual premise. All the stats I see show a much higher COVID fatality rate n Florida than California, in red states over blue states and in red counties over blue counties.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

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When i see someone wearing a mask ... i know they're terrified to speak, but they're thinking China Joe led
the greatest economic recovery in world history.

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"The Mask" has become nothing more than the anti MAGA hat. Oh and a "fashion" accessories. Oh, and a way for thugs to hide their faces. Oh, and something to use for virtue signaling.

Fauci would consistently diminish the possibility of a lab leak publicly after this: https://t.co/kOoVQWgYyg

If you look at many of his comments in April and later on Covid origins relative to this email, hard to see it as anything other than intentional dishonesty.

— AG (@AGHamilton29) July 14, 2023

The entire mainstream press spent most of February 2020 accusing Senator Cotton of being a conspiracy theorist for raising the very same concerns/questions that Fauci was privately acknowledging were coming from other scientists back on February 1st: https://t.co/FELtSuVKDT

— AG (@AGHamilton29) July 14, 2023