I am not too sure you can read. Jacobson dealt with the state government mandating vaccinations. It did not deal with the breadth of power we saw exercised during the past two years by both state and federal government. There were infringements on the right to assemble, the right to associate, the right to worship and celebrate holiday events, the right to contract without impairment, and takings without just compensation.quash said:Oldbear83 said:When did you become a SCOTUS Justice, Sam?Sam Lowry said:SCOTUS disagrees.Amal Shuq-Up said:The government does not have any rights. The government has powers. Those used to be limited.quash said:Amal Shuq-Up said:That is kind of our right as individuals.quash said:Amal Shuq-Up said:What I make it sound like is that the reaction to covid is an overreaction.quash said:Amal Shuq-Up said:Just show me your freak out posts when the Swine Flu was going around. Then I will know your response is the same even when people are not being whipped into a frenzy by the media.D. C. Bear said:Amal Shuq-Up said:LOL. Were you this concerned about the Swine Flu or SARS a few years ago? Give me a break.Osodecentx said:Because the vaxxed may have a subclinical case and be spreading a virus that could be devastating to the unvaxxed.D. C. Bear said:Osodecentx said:The masks are for the benefit of the unvaxxed, not the wearer of the mask.D. C. Bear said:Amal Shuq-Up said:Osodecentx said:The shots are effective & masks can helpAmal Shuq-Up said:Repeat after me: shots are effective, masks are effective, the government response is effective.Doc Holliday said:JUST IN - California imposes statewide mask mandate because of the #Omicron variant starting Wednesday.
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) December 13, 2021
Even the Garden Gnome acknowledged the other day that virus gonna virus.
Then why don't they?
The shots help tremendously. Masking data seem to be mixed and inconclusive.
To make them more emotionally able to cope?
He just got through saying he does not choose to wear a mask. Where are you going with this line of questioning?
You make it sound like Swine Flu and Covid are equally not dangerous. Is that your intention?
And underreactions by individuals.
I never said, implied, or hinted otherwise. You can underreact or overreact to your heart's content until you affect my rights.
But the corollary would be that you believe the govt has the right to overreact, which I seriously doubt.
People have rights. You do not have a right to be free from illness. You do not have a right to be free from the fear or concern that you might get ill. So, you don't have a right to demand that a healthy person remain couped up in their house, wear a mask, or otherwise be restrained or restricted just on the off chance they could potentially be an asymptomatic carrier of something. The government did not have that power; until the people gave up their rights almost two years ago.
SCOTUS opinions are available to everyone, not merely justices. Sam is correctly referring to Jacobson.
Another non-justice reads Jacobson the same way.
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Quash: "Sam is correctly referring to Jacobson."
Then he could and should have noted the case, in the interest of clarity.
Instead, he seems to have gone for arrogance.
Then he could and should have noted the case, in the interest of clarity.
Instead, he seems to have gone for arrogance.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
All based on state laws that have been on the books for years.Amal Shuq-Up said:I am not too sure you can read. Jacobson dealt with the state government mandating vaccinations. It did not deal with the breadth of power we saw exercised during the past two years by both state and federal government. There were infringements on the right to assemble, the right to associate, the right to worship and celebrate holiday events, the right to contract without impairment, and takings…quash said:Oldbear83 said:When did you become a SCOTUS Justice, Sam?Sam Lowry said:SCOTUS disagrees.Amal Shuq-Up said:The government does not have any rights. The government has powers. Those used to be limited.quash said:Amal Shuq-Up said:That is kind of our right as individuals.quash said:Amal Shuq-Up said:What I make it sound like is that the reaction to covid is an overreaction.quash said:Amal Shuq-Up said:Just show me your freak out posts when the Swine Flu was going around. Then I will know your response is the same even when people are not being whipped into a frenzy by the media.D. C. Bear said:Amal Shuq-Up said:LOL. Were you this concerned about the Swine Flu or SARS a few years ago? Give me a break.Osodecentx said:Because the vaxxed may have a subclinical case and be spreading a virus that could be devastating to the unvaxxed.D. C. Bear said:Osodecentx said:The masks are for the benefit of the unvaxxed, not the wearer of the mask.D. C. Bear said:Amal Shuq-Up said:Osodecentx said:The shots are effective & masks can helpAmal Shuq-Up said:Repeat after me: shots are effective, masks are effective, the government response is effective.Doc Holliday said:JUST IN - California imposes statewide mask mandate because of the #Omicron variant starting Wednesday.
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) December 13, 2021
Even the Garden Gnome acknowledged the other day that virus gonna virus.
Then why don't they?
The shots help tremendously. Masking data seem to be mixed and inconclusive.
To make them more emotionally able to cope?
He just got through saying he does not choose to wear a mask. Where are you going with this line of questioning?
You make it sound like Swine Flu and Covid are equally not dangerous. Is that your intention?
And underreactions by individuals.
I never said, implied, or hinted otherwise. You can underreact or overreact to your heart's content until you affect my rights.
But the corollary would be that you believe the govt has the right to overreact, which I seriously doubt.
People have rights. You do not have a right to be free from illness. You do not have a right to be free from the fear or concern that you might get ill. So, you don't have a right to demand that a healthy person remain couped up in their house, wear a mask, or otherwise be restrained or restricted just on the off chance they could potentially be an asymptomatic carrier of something. The government did not have that power; until the people gave up their rights almost two years ago.
SCOTUS opinions are available to everyone, not merely justices. Sam is correctly referring to Jacobson.
Another non-justice reads Jacobson the same way.
Sam: "All based on state laws "
The issue is federal mandates and pressure from the White House, not state laws, excepting where states have violated rights, especially the 1st and 4th Amendments, and tampered with the judiciary by closing courts, as happened in Michigan.
The issue is federal mandates and pressure from the White House, not state laws, excepting where states have violated rights, especially the 1st and 4th Amendments, and tampered with the judiciary by closing courts, as happened in Michigan.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Amal Shuq-Up said:I am not too sure you can read. Jacobson dealt with the state government mandating vaccinations. It did not deal with the breadth of power we saw exercised during the past two years by both state and federal government. There were infringements on the right to assemble, the right to associate, the right to worship and celebrate holiday events, the right to contract without impairment, and takings without just compensation.quash said:Oldbear83 said:When did you become a SCOTUS Justice, Sam?Sam Lowry said:SCOTUS disagrees.Amal Shuq-Up said:The government does not have any rights. The government has powers. Those used to be limited.quash said:Amal Shuq-Up said:That is kind of our right as individuals.quash said:Amal Shuq-Up said:What I make it sound like is that the reaction to covid is an overreaction.quash said:Amal Shuq-Up said:Just show me your freak out posts when the Swine Flu was going around. Then I will know your response is the same even when people are not being whipped into a frenzy by the media.D. C. Bear said:Amal Shuq-Up said:LOL. Were you this concerned about the Swine Flu or SARS a few years ago? Give me a break.Osodecentx said:Because the vaxxed may have a subclinical case and be spreading a virus that could be devastating to the unvaxxed.D. C. Bear said:Osodecentx said:The masks are for the benefit of the unvaxxed, not the wearer of the mask.D. C. Bear said:Amal Shuq-Up said:Osodecentx said:The shots are effective & masks can helpAmal Shuq-Up said:Repeat after me: shots are effective, masks are effective, the government response is effective.Doc Holliday said:JUST IN - California imposes statewide mask mandate because of the #Omicron variant starting Wednesday.
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) December 13, 2021
Even the Garden Gnome acknowledged the other day that virus gonna virus.
Then why don't they?
The shots help tremendously. Masking data seem to be mixed and inconclusive.
To make them more emotionally able to cope?
He just got through saying he does not choose to wear a mask. Where are you going with this line of questioning?
You make it sound like Swine Flu and Covid are equally not dangerous. Is that your intention?
And underreactions by individuals.
I never said, implied, or hinted otherwise. You can underreact or overreact to your heart's content until you affect my rights.
But the corollary would be that you believe the govt has the right to overreact, which I seriously doubt.
People have rights. You do not have a right to be free from illness. You do not have a right to be free from the fear or concern that you might get ill. So, you don't have a right to demand that a healthy person remain couped up in their house, wear a mask, or otherwise be restrained or restricted just on the off chance they could potentially be an asymptomatic carrier of something. The government did not have that power; until the people gave up their rights almost two years ago.
SCOTUS opinions are available to everyone, not merely justices. Sam is correctly referring to Jacobson.
Another non-justice reads Jacobson the same way.
I can read just fine. If you wanted to limit your remarks to the federal government you could have. You didn't.
And, as Sam notes, the current mandates we are talking about are based on non-federal law. This is not all about Let's Go Brandon, there are Republilcan officials who have forced us to do things.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Pretty good read.Booray said:
I think this guy nails it:
https://theweek.com/coronavirus/1008094/the-radicalization-of-a-covid-moderate?utm_campaign=afternoon_newsletter_20211216&utm_source=afternoon_newsletter&utm_medium=email&refid=B5871CEF776D8B64B4106884683AF56B
The author claims he doesn't understand the hysteria. It's been obvious to me all along: Covid = $$billions + power.
Oldbear83 said:When did you become a SCOTUS Justice, Sam?Sam Lowry said:SCOTUS disagrees.Amal Shuq-Up said:The government does not have any rights. The government has powers. Those used to be limited.quash said:Amal Shuq-Up said:That is kind of our right as individuals.quash said:Amal Shuq-Up said:What I make it sound like is that the reaction to covid is an overreaction.quash said:Amal Shuq-Up said:Just show me your freak out posts when the Swine Flu was going around. Then I will know your response is the same even when people are not being whipped into a frenzy by the media.D. C. Bear said:Amal Shuq-Up said:LOL. Were you this concerned about the Swine Flu or SARS a few years ago? Give me a break.Osodecentx said:Because the vaxxed may have a subclinical case and be spreading a virus that could be devastating to the unvaxxed.D. C. Bear said:Osodecentx said:The masks are for the benefit of the unvaxxed, not the wearer of the mask.D. C. Bear said:Amal Shuq-Up said:Osodecentx said:The shots are effective & masks can helpAmal Shuq-Up said:Repeat after me: shots are effective, masks are effective, the government response is effective.Doc Holliday said:JUST IN - California imposes statewide mask mandate because of the #Omicron variant starting Wednesday.
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) December 13, 2021
Even the Garden Gnome acknowledged the other day that virus gonna virus.
Then why don't they?
The shots help tremendously. Masking data seem to be mixed and inconclusive.
To make them more emotionally able to cope?
He just got through saying he does not choose to wear a mask. Where are you going with this line of questioning?
You make it sound like Swine Flu and Covid are equally not dangerous. Is that your intention?
And underreactions by individuals.
I never said, implied, or hinted otherwise. You can underreact or overreact to your heart's content until you affect my rights.
But the corollary would be that you believe the govt has the right to overreact, which I seriously doubt.
People have rights. You do not have a right to be free from illness. You do not have a right to be free from the fear or concern that you might get ill. So, you don't have a right to demand that a healthy person remain couped up in their house, wear a mask, or otherwise be restrained or restricted just on the off chance they could potentially be an asymptomatic carrier of something. The government did not have that power; until the people gave up their rights almost two years ago.
He probably isn't one and just knows how to read.
D.C. (about Sam): "He probably isn't one and just knows how to read."
More like he isn't one yet pretends he can reinvent rulings to fit his opinion.
More like he isn't one yet pretends he can reinvent rulings to fit his opinion.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Do you have an argument or a point?Oldbear83 said:
D.C. (about Sam): "He probably isn't one and just knows how to read."
More like he isn't one yet pretends he can reinvent rulings to fit his opinion.
All the time. You just duck the ones you can't harass or mock.Osodecentx said:Do you have an argument or a point?Oldbear83 said:
D.C. (about Sam): "He probably isn't one and just knows how to read."
More like he isn't one yet pretends he can reinvent rulings to fit his opinion.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
"Pooooor Old, gonna have to tell Natasha that he lost again to America."Oldbear83 said:All the time. You just duck the ones you can't harass or mock.Osodecentx said:Do you have an argument or a point?Oldbear83 said:
D.C. (about Sam): "He probably isn't one and just knows how to read."
More like he isn't one yet pretends he can reinvent rulings to fit his opinion.
Back at ya, Daffy.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Oldbear: "Fauci-inspired, Fauci-approved!"Oldbear83 said:
Back at ya, Daffy.
Since I have adamantly opposed a great deal of Fauci's statements and positions, you are even more off base trying to use that line, Oso.
You must therefore have no response to my concerns about government overreach and the tyranny of unelected people issuing orders to the nation.
You must therefore have no response to my concerns about government overreach and the tyranny of unelected people issuing orders to the nation.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
"I miss the Old who actually discussed issues, rather than the current Asinine Statist who posts under his name."Oldbear83 said:
Since I have adamantly opposed a great deal of Fauci's statements and positions, you are even more off base trying to use that line, Oso.
You must therefore have no response to my concerns about government overreach and the tyranny of unelected people issuing orders to the nation.
You do know, Oso, that you literally posted that quoting a post where I directly addressed the key issue here?Osodecentx said:"I miss the Old who actually discussed issues, rather than the current Asinine Statist who posts under his name."Oldbear83 said:
Since I have adamantly opposed a great deal of Fauci's statements and positions, you are even more off base trying to use that line, Oso.
You must therefore have no response to my concerns about government overreach and the tyranny of unelected people issuing orders to the nation.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
"There is no evidence you thought - even for a moment - about the point."Oldbear83 said:You do know, Oso, that you literally posted that quoting a post where I directly addressed the key issue here?Osodecentx said:"I miss the Old who actually discussed issues, rather than the current Asinine Statist who posts under his name."Oldbear83 said:
Since I have adamantly opposed a great deal of Fauci's statements and positions, you are even more off base trying to use that line, Oso.
You must therefore have no response to my concerns about government overreach and the tyranny of unelected people issuing orders to the nation.
MSNBC’s @KattyKay_ on airline CEOs noting masks prove no benefit against Covid: “I’m just not sure I would be at all comfortable” if someone’s unmasked on a flight; “I’m never getting on one of those planes” @JoeNBC, agreeing: “That seems a little crazy” pic.twitter.com/j7CV7EXmDc
— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) December 17, 2021
Shut down all sports until February or later....sure.
Death, taxes and left wing sportswriters calling for the shut down of sports leagues because of covid. This is in today’s @nytimes. pic.twitter.com/InOFByPAqS
— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) December 17, 2021
“If we hurt and coerce you well enough, you’ll feel like the choice was yours!” https://t.co/miS0n3wGQv
— Kate Hyde (@KateHydeNY) December 17, 2021
OK then, you have a Merry Christmas too.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
And to you as wellOldbear83 said:
OK then, you have a Merry Christmas too.
Preach!!
This 2 minute Tik Tok just absolutely nails where we are in the pandemic. The place where we need to stop being afraid and learn to live with it & risks generally. pic.twitter.com/1u6EbhVP3q
— EJ (@Ejmiller25) December 16, 2021
learn to live with risks outside your control, do something about the risks within your control
For many who live in fear, it’s not enough for them to be afraid. They also need YOU to be afraid. And when you’re not, it drives them mad.
— Jedediah Bila (@JedediahBila) December 17, 2021
JUST IN - England reportedly mulls a two-week "circuit-breaker" lockdown after Christmas (The Times)
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) December 18, 2021
Ah good 'ol Vox!
From Covid-19 to climate change, Americans are still working through the pandemic - Vox
The world as we know it is ending. Why are we still at work?
From the pandemic to climate change, Americans are still expected to work no matter what happens.
From Covid-19 to climate change, Americans are still working through the pandemic - Vox
The world as we know it is ending. Why are we still at work?
From the pandemic to climate change, Americans are still expected to work no matter what happens.
Quote:
...For a moment in early 2020, it seemed like we might get a break from capitalism
Appeals Court Reinstates Biden's Vaccine Mandate for Private Businesses
[url=https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/11/04/bidens-new-rules-on-forced-vaccination-are-here-n2598558][/url]Quote:
On Friday night the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals in a 2-1 ruling reinstated the Biden administration's vaccine mandate for private businesses of 100 or more employees, which overturns a stay from the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals. The mandate was set to go into effect on January 4, less than a month away, but had been tied up in the courts since President Joe Biden made the announcement on Novembe
"Recognizing that the 'old normal' is not going to return, employers and employees have sought new models," the court ruling on Biden's vaccine mandate says.Jack Bauer said:
Appeals Court Reinstates Biden's Vaccine Mandate for Private Businesses[url=https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/11/04/bidens-new-rules-on-forced-vaccination-are-here-n2598558][/url]Quote:
On Friday night the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals in a 2-1 ruling reinstated the Biden administration's vaccine mandate for private businesses of 100 or more employees, which overturns a stay from the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals. The mandate was set to go into effect on January 4, less than a month away, but had been tied up in the courts since President Joe Biden made the announcement on Novembe
Tyrants.
Finally, a ruling that makes some sense.Jack Bauer said:
Appeals Court Reinstates Biden's Vaccine Mandate for Private Businesses[url=https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/11/04/bidens-new-rules-on-forced-vaccination-are-here-n2598558][/url]Quote:
On Friday night the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals in a 2-1 ruling reinstated the Biden administration's vaccine mandate for private businesses of 100 or more employees, which overturns a stay from the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals. The mandate was set to go into effect on January 4, less than a month away, but had been tied up in the courts since President Joe Biden made the announcement on Novembe
Yeah, if you're a Statist.Sam Lowry said:Finally, a ruling that makes some sense.Jack Bauer said:
Appeals Court Reinstates Biden's Vaccine Mandate for Private Businesses[url=https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/11/04/bidens-new-rules-on-forced-vaccination-are-here-n2598558][/url]Quote:
On Friday night the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals in a 2-1 ruling reinstated the Biden administration's vaccine mandate for private businesses of 100 or more employees, which overturns a stay from the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals. The mandate was set to go into effect on January 4, less than a month away, but had been tied up in the courts since President Joe Biden made the announcement on Novembe
Don't count on this lasting long.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Give it up. Oldbear can outwit you with half his brain tied behind his back. Aw hell, who am I kidding... even AOC could outwit you, maybe even Biden and that's saying A LOTOsodecentx said:"There is no evidence you thought - even for a moment - about the point."Oldbear83 said:You do know, Oso, that you literally posted that quoting a post where I directly addressed the key issue here?Osodecentx said:"I miss the Old who actually discussed issues, rather than the current Asinine Statist who posts under his name."Oldbear83 said:
Since I have adamantly opposed a great deal of Fauci's statements and positions, you are even more off base trying to use that line, Oso.
You must therefore have no response to my concerns about government overreach and the tyranny of unelected people issuing orders to the nation.
This is the most amazing thing I've ever seen posted here. Not necessarily in a good way.Rawhide said:Give it up. Oldbear can outwit you with half his brain tied behind his back. Aw hell, who am I kidding... even AOC could outwit you, maybe even Biden and that's saying A LOTOsodecentx said:"There is no evidence you thought - even for a moment - about the point."Oldbear83 said:You do know, Oso, that you literally posted that quoting a post where I directly addressed the key issue here?Osodecentx said:"I miss the Old who actually discussed issues, rather than the current Asinine Statist who posts under his name."Oldbear83 said:
Since I have adamantly opposed a great deal of Fauci's statements and positions, you are even more off base trying to use that line, Oso.
You must therefore have no response to my concerns about government overreach and the tyranny of unelected people issuing orders to the nation.
That's funny, because the most amazing thing I've ever seen posted here is your response to the black supremacist that mowed down a bunch of white people walking in a Christmas parade:Sam Lowry said:This is the most amazing thing I've ever seen posted here. Not necessarily in a good way.Rawhide said:Give it up. Oldbear can outwit you with half his brain tied behind his back. Aw hell, who am I kidding... even AOC could outwit you, maybe even Biden and that's saying A LOTOsodecentx said:"There is no evidence you thought - even for a moment - about the point."Oldbear83 said:You do know, Oso, that you literally posted that quoting a post where I directly addressed the key issue here?Osodecentx said:"I miss the Old who actually discussed issues, rather than the current Asinine Statist who posts under his name."Oldbear83 said:
Since I have adamantly opposed a great deal of Fauci's statements and positions, you are even more off base trying to use that line, Oso.
You must therefore have no response to my concerns about government overreach and the tyranny of unelected people issuing orders to the nation.
You're really a pathetic person, aren't you?
While I know you fancy yourself as some sort of master debater, you may want to take a pass on trying to respond with something pithy.
Once again, you were wrong since those killed include an 8 year old child. You should seriously consider apologizing for being a disgusting human being. May be in your best interest here to just admit you were wrong and move along.
And before you try to argue that your comment was made prior to the 8 year old dying, you may want to stop and think about that again. There's no way you come out smelling like roses trying to defend such a horrible take.