RMF5630 said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
No one who's paying attention thinks a masked person is fully protected. You all are waging war against a whole army of straw men.
So if you believe you are NOT fully protected when wearing a mask, then masks don't work and how can making me wear a mask benefit you?
If the mask works, it works. You can wear one and be protected. Wouldn't matter what others do.
It is amazing that you refuse to admit the internal contradiction of your argument - a unique twist on the bandwagon fallacy: if enough people wear masks, then everyone is protected (even though cloth masks cannot and do not stop the virus.)
I am not sure I agree with the marks work or ot doesn't logic for something as "gray" as medical. It may cut down risk, it may reduce the area of impact, or it may create a more uniform condition that is easier to control. So, there may be value to masking beyond either it works or doesn't, this isn't engineering or math.
That said, I have no problem with short term masking. But it needs a limit. I believe the value decreases over time and at some point other means like inoculations, vaccines or natural immunity have to be enough. Long term masking is more damaging than not masking at all, we are seeing that now especially with kids development. Just my view
I was good with masking at the outset. We didn't know what we didn't know, particularly how the virus was spread. 90 days in, it was pretty clear that spread was via aerosolized virus not droplets. That's pretty important. Masks DO protect against droplets. Masks are useless against aerosolized virus. Brooke Army Hospital did a study on that. Showed that cloth masks caused a 5% reduction in inhaled virus.....and that it had no effect on community spread.
Medical (N95) masks are more effective in that they have a static charge that attracts particles. So IF you are putting one on, entering a hospital room to view a patient for 5-10 minutes, and then toss the mask when you leave and put a new one on each time you enter another room.....yeah, you have some protection. But if you wear the same mask all day long.....not so much. How many people change masks several times each day?
Cloth masks don't work, never worked, can't work. The apertures between the fibers of the material the mask is made of are ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE greater than the size the virus. If you are inhaling thru the cloth and virus is in the air, you are inhaling virus.
Just nuts that we have nuts still making the case otherwise. If they work for you, then I don't need to wear one. You are protected. But they don't work. Because they can't work. So we've got to quit pretending they do just to make the fearful feel better. Ok, for a week? Sure. For three months? This is pretty tedious. For a year? Foxtrot Uniform, buddy. For two years? LOL. I went insurgent a long time ago. I bought a big mask, stretched out the elastic, removed the sizer bands, and just let it hang from my nose. there's an inch of space between my cheeks and chin. I can breathe easily, as I sit here in LAX. They said I had to wear one. they didn't say it had to fit. Eff 'em. Done with the nonsense.